Post great writers who were also chuds
I think having a hair part, either right or left, saves one from being a chud. Chud is supposed to go to a $5 barber and say "just a scissor clip please, short."
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>>25039557You would think that being a great writer would save one from being a chud, but apparently not. His critical writings are the most chuddy things imaginable. He even admitted that he found it incredibly painful to reread his prose.
I have this theory that the reason why the overwhelming majority of lefty artists are so banal and one note is because their whiggish understanding of history prevents them from conceiving a role for art that isn't political agitation in order to advance the dialectic to the glorious utopia waiting at the end of history. While being a great chuddy artist is exactly about a preference for the cyclical instead of the linear, skepticism to idealism, meditation to agitation, pessimism to optimism, being the eternal "yeah, but..." instead of the eternal "...and FUCK YOU if you disagree".
>>25039569You had something to say here but you fumbled it because you weren't articulate enough. Read more books.
>>25039569>a role for art that isn't political agitationI think it's common for major artists to have radical political ideas. Wyndham Lewis called Shakespeare a Bolshevik (not that he was, but that is to say his sensibility is incredibly anarchic). Shelley and Wagner were far left politically (though it would be wrong to classify them with any modern left grouping that I know of)
>>25039590Wagner became an extreme far-right reactionary.
>>25039582Very gay remark and post
>>25039593No this isn't a fair. His ideas never changed like that. The far left of 19th century just looks a lot like far-right reactionary today. Read Proudhon and you will be surprised by his sensibility, especially in his anti-feminism. Bakunin believed in Jewish world conspiracy.
Wagner always opposed property to the end. He only became pessimistic of the possibilities of political revolution or improvement of the world in this life. The Ring is pure anti-capitalism and was conceived first as an attempt to cleanse society of its lust for gold.
>>25039612Lol. That's why he had an obsession with luxury and a pathological entitlement to other people's money (that he wouldn't pay back)
>>25039668>Once I saw a Devil in a flame of fire, who arose before an Angel that sat on a cloud, and the Devil uttered these words: “The worship of God is, honouring His gifts in other men each according to his genius, and loving the greatest men best. Those who envy or calumniate great men hate God, for there is no other God.”>The Angel hearing this became almost blue, but mastering himself he grew yellow, and at last white-pink and smiling, and then replied: “Thou idolater, is not God One? and is not He visible in Jesus Christ? and has not Jesus Christ given His sanction to the law of ten commandments? and are not all other men fools, sinners, and nothings?”>The Devil answered: “Bray a fool in a mortar with wheat, yet shall not his folly be beaten out of him. If Jesus Christ is the greatest man, you ought to love Him in the greatest degree. Now hear how He has given His sanction to the law of ten commandments. Did He not mock at the Sabbath, and so mock the Sabbath’s God? murder those who were murdered because of Him? turn away the law from the woman taken in adultery, steal the labour of others to support Him? bear false witness when He omitted making a defence before Pilate? covet when He prayed for His disciples, and when He bid them shake off the dust of their feet against such as refused to lodge them? I tell you, no virtue can exist without breaking these ten commandments. Jesus was all virtue, and acted from impulse, not from rules.”
What's the best one-volume Wagner biography with the least amount of ideological finger-wagging?
>>25039590>>25039593>>25039608Wagner was beyond the simplistic left-right dichotomy. He even complains about this in, Art and Revolution I want to say, that his ideas will be called "communist" when they're anything but.
>>25039674>No no, you see, only YOU have to be a good person. I, on the other hand, am essentially Jesus and can do whatever I want.Huh. Maybe he was a leftist actually.
>>25039696>Wagner was beyond the simplistic left-right dichotomyThat’s historically contingent and is of more interest sociologically. But it is still useful to judge relative qualities. One can say Wagner is to the left of Nietzsche
>>25039706That’s William Blake, faggot
He gives a racial emphasis to Proudhon, marriage according to property corrupts the blood
>>25039608>>25039612Wagner was always a revolutionary, but the difference is that as a young man he wanted liberal anarchism to destroy capitalism and as an old man he wanted an authoritarian monarch to destroy capitalism.
>>25039736Source?
>>25039723>That's [a different leftist justifying greed for the self but not for the many]Okay?
>>25039745You are a faggot lol, I could tell by the sassy sadism. But that’s not what the passage is saying at all, I’m afraid if you cannot understand it then you are just not intelligent enough to know what is going on.
>>25039748>You are a faggotYou're defending an "anti-capitalist's" insatiable appetite for luxuries like silk and perfume by comparing him to Christ. It's hard to think of a faggier endeavor
>>25039768>You're defending an "anti-capitalist's" insatiable appetite for luxuries like silk and perfume by comparing him to Christ.And I will continue to do so.
>>25039786This just confirms the utter spuriousness of his whole project and its defenders
>>25039768>"anti-capitalist's" insatiable appetite for luxuries like silk and perfumeI don't see the contradiction. People can't enjoy silk and perfume if they're opposed to capitalism?
>>25039819Anon envies human greatness and gets his limp revenge with these excretions of sassiness. It’s impossible to have any kind of dialogue with such people. And unfortunately it is very common in this world, and indeed is connected with the prevailing form of sadistic homosexuality in modern society (not, to be clear, homosexuality per se).
>>25039816It confirms nothing but the naked shamelessness of your own psychological defenses
>>25039831It confirms he makes fake art for fake people. Too late to backtrack now.>>25039819Leeching money from your peers to spend on ephemeral shit you don't need is the very essence of capitalism
>>25039842>Leeching money from your peers to spend on ephemeral shit you don't need is the very essence of capitalismI guess you don't know much about art. Ephemeral objects and experiences, such as love affairs, are essential to the inspiration of most artists and if it results in an immortal artwork then there's nothing to complain about. I also don't think your definition of capitalism is a very scientific one. Do you also think a prehistoric caveman being flattered with presents is capitalism?
>>25039842You live in an intellectual and artistic ghetto. What art is “real” in your opinion? Who are the pure Reaganite artists who never borrowed money…
>>25039560>rejected twice
>>25039560OP said great, you failed your homework
>>25039549What are Eliot's best essays/nonfiction?
>>25039608>The far left of 19th century just looks a lot like far-right reactionary today.you're so close to getting it. the "liberal left" of today looks a lot like the right of the 19th century
>>25039549literally me desu
>>25039590>Wyndham Lewis called Shakespeare a BolshevikPerhaps one of his keenest observations.
>>25039768>>25039786>>25039819In an anti-capitalist world, everyone would have silk and perfumes.
>>25040037which is what exactly?
>>25040097what is the right of the 19th century? aristocracy and bourgeois liberals
>>25039668Based. Indians had the right idea by making the merchant caste spend most of their shekels to accommodate the spiritually enlightened and warriors.
>>25040028My Twisted WorldThe Story of Elliot RodgerBy Elliot Rodger
>>25039549Pretty much every male author from before the 1960s would be part of the incel or chud subcultures if they were alive today tbqh. The left leaning ones might not be chuds it they’d probably be incel.
>>25040184Actually I just realized one exception, I genuinely believe John Stuart Mill would still be an anti incel/chud redditor today.
>>25040184>Pretty much every male author from before the 1960s would be part of the incel or chud subcultures if they were alive today tbqh.Assuming you mean "great writers" (whatever that means) then this is probably true, though that doesn't mean they would be chuds or incels themselves. These subcultures are the ghetto of the internet (which has subsumed almost all communications) and like the ghettos of America they seem despite their bad qualities to have the greatest vitality and freedom.
>>25040190are you really sure about that? I think he would be more like picrel
>>25039736The ending of Gotterdamerung would seem to indicate the opposite however.
>>25040307the stupid face he makes before kicking the camera is kino, i will admit, otherwise he's a colossol fag
