Why does fantasy attract the people it does? Ideologically, aesthetically or politically?
>>25040235????covers a wide spectrum from trad fantasy to overweight queer goblins and centaur milking farms
>>25040235Leftists escape into fantasy through their politics so they have no need for fantasy novels.
Manchildren are susceptible to extreme simplification in terms of moral and social life, power fantasies, and autistic fixation on details. Fantasy fiction satisfies all this in the same way as libertarianism, finance, and Catholicism do, so there is going to be a lot of overlap.
>>25040235I'm more of a sci-fi guy, myself.
>>25040245Basically this. >>25040250You couldn't be more wrong. Fantasy fiction more often than not falls into muh moral greyness cliches, so one of your premises goes to the trash. Moreover, catholicism is 2000 years of thought, and it has one of the most complex theologies, do you think that Descartes suddenly said "I think, therefore I am" out of a vacuum? kek. And something similar could be said about libertarianism, you only think it's simple because you don't know anything about those things, you look at them from a distance so the nuances merge together into a blurred stain, probably because all that you know about it comes from twitter freaks. Most schools of thought are nuanced and complex regardless of whether or not they are correct. Denying that shows that you are, indeed, the simpleton. Read moar.
>>25040283>You couldn't be more wrong. Fantasy fiction more often than not falls into muh moral greyness cliches, so one of your premises goes to the trash. Moreover, catholicism is 2000 years of thought, and it has one of the most complex theologies, do you think that Descartes suddenly said "I think, therefore I am" out of a vacuum? kek. And something similar could be said about libertarianism, you only think it's simple because you don't know anything about those things, you look at them from a distance so the nuances merge together into a blurred stain, probably because all that you know about it comes from twitter freaks. Most schools of thought are nuanced and complex regardless of whether or not they are correct. Denying that shows that you are, indeed, the simpleton. Read moar.
>>25040250>manchildwhy doesn't womanchild exist?
>>25040317They’ve been mocked for obsessing over Harry Potter politically for 15 years.
>>25040235Back in the early-mid 20th century no left wing authors would touch fantasy. They were all into genres like science fiction. Fantasy was seen as literal nazi shit. That’s why all the OG fantasy writers like Tolkien, Lewis, Lovecraft, etc were chuds.Some if the first major admirers of Tolkien’s work was by neofascists in postwar Italy and they created some of the first non-English translations of LOTR. They even had things called “Hobbit camps” that acted as a sort of far right youth group. Ironically in the US, some of the first admirers of Tolkien were hippies.
>>25040317Because it would be redundant.
>>25040317they unequivocally do, there's just no real term or standardized expression for them. a lot of so-called disney adults are women
>>25040317They do. They're called women.
>>25040341why do you think american hippies gravitated towards LOTR? presumably because of some interpretation of the shire as a hippie commune or something
Everyone likes Lord of the Rings bro
the subgenre of dark fantasy peaked in the 80s & then dunked on by a jap
>>25040283>You couldn't be more wrong. Fantasy fiction more often than not falls into muh moral greyness cliches, so one of your premises goes to the trash. Moreover, catholicism is 2000 years of thought, and it has one of the most complex theologies, do you think that Descartes suddenly said "I think, therefore I am" out of a vacuum? kek. And something similar could be said about libertarianism, you only think it's simple because you don't know anything about those things, you look at them from a distance so the nuances merge together into a blurred stain, probably because all that you know about it comes from twitter freaks. Most schools of thought are nuanced and complex regardless of whether or not they are correct. Denying that shows that you are, indeed, the simpleton. Read moarI seem to have struck a sensitive nerve
>>25040384>heh, it wasn't serious akshually
Then why does Harry Potter attract whatever the opposite of Chud is?
>>25040250>libertarianism, finance, and Catholicismkek. correct.
>>25040250trvke>>25040359>small and weak >love nature >droogs >the ring and the associated greed can be misunderstood as a metaphor for capitalism >>25040410>le hecking mothers love is the strongest thing on earth>MC is rich twink
>>25040235OP, are you seriously telling us that you went on fucking X and saw one post about LotR written by a based chud and from that alone you leapt to the consclusion that the genre of fantasy, the most popular form of genre fiction in tge modern world, attracts people who have an ideological bent?
>>25040476Don't be too hard on them. At least these people sought for some spirituality. And if the history of utopian communes in the US tell us anything, it's that the only successful ones were ones that had one or both of these things:1. Charismatic leader2. Religion.
>>25040506>the only successful ones Like Jonestown, for example?
>>25040283You sound like you're defending LOTR right now lmao. >Erm ackshually the lore is very deep, Tolkein spent over 2000 pages and created his own language and its so complicated and you just don't get it
>>25040508Name a novel you think has literary value. Lil contratians are absolutely hilarious
>>25040507Jonestown was actually quite successful for a time.
>>25040341@grok how did Tolkien regard apartheid South Africa?
>>25040506I wasnt hard on them. Loving nature is good, hippie drugs are good, and being small and weak actually isnt morally good or bad. Its a niche and you just have to adjust your survival tactics to it. I like them.Hippies only lost due to satanic jews feeling unsettled by them. And losing against black magic on your own is absolutely OK.
>>25040250Good correlations but it's not about man children, it's about a purity of spirit.
>>25040373Marxist post-war Germany had government programs where they raped little boys for liking LOTR to denazify them. I'm not making this up.
>>25040235>why does medievalist fantasy attract more reactionaries than futurist science fiction?Yeah I wonder
>>25040508I haven't read LOTR, I don't read fantasy nor science fiction, there may be something of value there but you have to navigate a whole ocean of slop in order to find it so I prefer to the stick to the classics. It's just that I dislike people with tribal spasms, throwing anything they hate to the same basket of enemies. >heh, I don't like fantasy fiction, so it must be that people who do like it are also those retarded libertarians and catholics I debated yesterday on twitter.looow, low iq. Traumatised vietnam veteran brain, though with few reasons to be traumatised.
>>25040567to stick to*
>>25040508you seem like you want to sound smart very bad but are struggling.
>>25040562The people in OP's pic are fans of scifi.
>>25040514The Color Purple
>>25040713It's unknown whether Thiel and Vance are people
I'll bite. For anyone who cares, Stephen Colbert, HUGE LOTR fan. Most folks who were my age when the films came out are left leaning. Tolkein's themes are simple, evil is bad because its evil, good is good because heroes. By never straying and always remaining good, they will defeat the evil. No grey/nuance of 'well, we sacrifice this town for peace' 'we kill the king for peace' etc etc. Obviously, for Tolkein Nazis are bad, and anyone against their ideals is good. Journal time...Growing up I would be tired of the predictable story plots of the good guys always win. For once I wanted an ending where evil won, the despair but the excitement of seeing something new would fill my daydreams. Whatever began to happen in society happened and edgy movies with ambiguous villains became trendy. I got what I wanted. Lots of them were good. Now each film/show has a villain who's position is defendable and thus we stare at this landscape of charlatans who are the lesser of other evils. So now I miss the simplicity of good will be good and good will beat evil. Spare me the nuance of, "Dropping two bombs to instantly kill ~100,000 Japanese noncombatants saved 1.5 million American soldiers from a grueling island hopping campaign and so on and so forth.
>>25040235It looks to the past which is the conservative’s dream of his idealized youth or his nation’s mythical great past. They want to go back back backwards.It’s most prominent in the so-called right, but many lefties can get that nostalgic tug at their heart.Some fantasy has been written about a more honest past>>25040410Children are not the opposite of “chud”
>>25040514Jacob's Room
>>25040544>t.coping manchild
>>25040359Freedom of mind and imagination, I think. By the 20th century America had become a money and productivity-worshipping nation, and men were looked down on for doing anything fun (like reading LOTR), since fun is considered "childish/womanish." That mindset's been dying lately, but you still see it a lot, with old people and women crying "manchild" at any man who plays video games (because since the activity is not producing monetary value, it is therefore worthless and shameful, in their minds).
>>25042308people call gamers manchildren because video games are addictive pollution and mindrotting nonsense. movies and books and music are not productive financial activities and yet you don't see the same attitudes. hmmmm.....
>>25042317You do, especially historically. There's even a famous 70's essay on it: "Why are Americans afraid of Dragons" by Ursula LeGuin (inb4: >foid. Yeah sure but it's a good essay)
>reading comprehension
