> The sun is the width of a human footWhat did he mean by that?
>>25041514It depends how close or far it is. Its amazing to be that being so far away from the sun is still being as close as a human foot, or as a black pimp hole in the sky. If you get away from a foot it goes as small as a thumb nail, but the sun will still be so big to cause shock and awe in his viewer. Thats like the sun begins at the humble foot, but you go closer and closer to where the real nightmare sets in.
He was probably lying on his back and made his foot eclipse the sun.
>>25041514Heraclitus believed that everything is as real as the individual experiencing it makes of it. The sun is as wide as a human foot to the man lying on his back with his foot in the air. >>The Problem of "Barbarian" Souls: He famously stated, "Eyes and ears are poor witnesses to people, if they have uncultivated souls". This implies that sensory input is not inherently wrong, but is misinterpreted by those lacking rational understanding.Your senses aren’t what you should be calling deceptive ala the Eleatics and some of the Ionians, but rather you should learn how to analyze the world from the point of rationality. The OP excerpt is actually quite similar to the Shankara story about a man who runs into a cave to hide from a snake but the next day he comes back out and realizes it was a piece of rope and his senses had been deceived
>>25041586>a man who runs into a cave to hide from a snake but the next day he comes back outPeople did that in the ancient world?
>>25041598https://www.yesvedanta.com/rope-snake-logical-analysis-advaita-vedanta-analogy/
>>25041586>Heraclitus believed that everything is as real as the individual experiencing it makes of it.Can you quote another fragment to support this view? I was under the impression he was actually against that (saying that dumb people follow their one view, but the logos is one, or something like that).
>>25041641>> Eyes and ears are poor witnesses to people, if they have uncultivated soulsThis is the main one which goes in conjunction with the quote on the sun. Eyes and ears (senses) are only poor witnesses via the soul possessing them rather than their actual faculties.
>>25041531did they wear underwear back then or did surrounding students of science just get a full glimpse of his asshole when he did this
>>25041789He was tanning his balls anon. Peak experience.
>>25041794ackshually he was sunning his perineum
>>25041514Aristotle didn't believe sperm came from the testicles
>>25041641The Greeks at his time were coming to the conclusion that falseness was synonymous with change and that therefore everything we see is an illusion of sorts or at least a mirage and the one thing that doesn't change, substance, must be reality. Heraclitus however endorsed process philosophy as illustrated by many of his fragments such as describing reality itself as change, with the stepping into a river used to illustrate: one never steps into the same river twice. A river is always flowing (flux), the idea of some ontological river is a mirage. That's why he said eternity was not some changeless substance but more like a child playing.
>>25042569My ex did this once and it got sunburnt kek. She begging me to kiss it to soothe the burn
>>25042584A similar philosophy about change arose in India and the parallel to Heraclitus here was Buddha who insisted there was no true, changeless reality under the surface, and that therefore everything is delusion and only delusion
>>25041601>shillslmao
>>25041531That doesn't even make sense.
>>25042642ESL.
>>25042584This is entirely true yet Heraclitus still fundamentally is same as other Ionians and Eleatics- all of them see Logos as real, they just differ on how to process it (process philosophy vs Doxa (way of Opinion) ). They have far more in common than they have in difference.
>>25041514Its size is relative, like the existence of all things.
>>25044607That’s not at all what it means. It means that the thing may exist outside of you (in this case the Sun exists but as it is outside of you you don’t experience it in its essence) but that your experience of it though limited is as valid as anything is- the Sun is literally foot sized to a man looking at it as such in that second. The sun is literally size of a human foot and doesn’t merely appear that way. Appearances are the reality rather than reality being a mere appearance ala the Doxa of the Eleatics
>>25044597Denying permanence is the same as any other Ionian?
>>25044688>That’s not at all what it means. It means [that size is relative]
>>25044697Size is relative =\= relativity is all there is It’s like Einstein and says time fundamentally works differently based on where you are. The actual sense perceptions are all you can rely on.
>>25044694Ionians, Eleatics and Heraclitus all say that all is One/ Logos and just argue differently as to the makeup and how motion works. - Read Polybus of Cos
>>25041586I don't understand how he can say that those with uncultivated souls risk a poor understanding of the world around them but at the same time purport that "everything flows." One seems to suppose a oneness or objectivity in the world and the other denies it.
>>25044688>It means that the thing may exist outside of you>exist outside of youUnintelligible. Does this mean that the thing in question occupies a different place in space than the one I am occupying, or that it is a thing that exists in and of itself, independently of the subject of cognition?
>>25044742Cultivation means understanding things based on how they appear to the senses (ie the sun appears to be small so it is) rather than seeing the world as a permanent unity. Cultivation in this sense is opposite of someone like Plato or the Eleatics- the world is Logos but your sense perceptions are how you view this Logos in its ever changing nature
>>25044744Both. To Heraclitus though- the thing is whatever you experience of it.
>>25044772>BothI don't get it.
>>25044774Okay then the first one because the quote basically is saying that your cognition gives the thing existence.
>>25044718ESL
>>25041514Even though the Sun looks like a tiny circle in the sky, due to perspective it looks smaller than it actually is. Therefore it is possible for the Sun to actually be as big as a human foot in width. The Greeks, experts in geometry, were acutely aware of this fact.
