>1491: Here is what we know about the societies that filled the Americas prior to Columbus. They were complex societies full of people.Wow that is interesting.>1493: Here is why the death of the Natvies was a good thing for their blood greased the wheels of globalization and brought about the Homogenocene era.Oh.....
>>25071864Did he intentionally veer toward that narrative or did he just state a bunch of facts that solidified the claim?People were a lot more free to speak their mind back then so they didnt really have to stay consistent with their views throughout their life
>>25071896While he doesn't go so far as to state that the natives were a necessary sacrifice for globalization the beginning of the second book talks about how Columbus created the global world we are now in. In the first book there is an entire chapter on how the natives of Carribean/South and North America are genetically predisposed to die in greater numbers to foreign diseases than any other people on Earth and that there was literally nothing short of the Americas being discovered in the 1900s instead of the 1400s that could have saved them from being wiped out by disease.
was christopher columbus actually jewish? i'm seeing some theories that he was
1491 was okay but he overestimated the population of the Caribbean by a factor of at least ten.
>>25071915No, Columbus was a crazy Catholic who wrote whole books about how to reconquer Jerusalem in a new crusade and bring about the return of Christ
>>25071918so that whole thing about him leaving spain the day after the exile date and his writing that was unique to jewish people at the time was wrong?
>>25071896 Normies outside academia don’t understand how oppressive the study of the history of the Americas has become. You have to go along with the political shit or you will get bullied out of the discipline through implicit or explicit accusations of racism. I’ve seen it with my own eyes. Every time I read new scholarship on the Americas I have to read past all the things the author was obviously compelled to say by their social environment.That’s why I stick to pre modern European history. Nobody gives a fuck when you’re talking about white people from 1000 years ago killing each other.
>>25071927>Every time I read new scholarship on the Americas I have to read past all the things the author was obviously compelled to say by their social environment.like what?
>>25071916Did he even talk about the population of the Carribean in 1491? He mentioned it briefly in 1493 when he talked about Columbus landing in the DR, but there he argued that the estimates that were given were probably an overcount since Columbus crew had the population of the island in the millions and it was probably closer to 100K.
>>25071924He had two motivations in life, to not end up like his deadbeat Dad and to earn a ton of money and have a great reputation and to make Europe so rich that they would use the money to reconquer the Holy Land and bring it back under the sway of Christians. None of the above happened
>>25071915>Crazy theories He was from a Converso family so it is possible he was a secret Jew
I am anticolonialist because I am a rightoid. Now everything is homogeneous capitalist techno hell
>>25071995No, you're a third positionist. Actually rightwingers are pro-conquest.
>>25071864Sounds similar to the Weatherford Ghengis book that tried to say the mass murders weren’t so bad and if they were they were necessary and look at all the fantastic trade and cultural influence, you know those easterners are super smart and we owe so much to them. Early globalism is good actually! You gotta break some eggs haha.
>>25071962You can thank the fucking Dutch and the English for that. Everywhere they went they thwarted the Spanish and the Portuguese attempts to expand Christendom. They're the reason we never Christianized Japan. They almost stopped the defense of Europe at Lepanto. Protestants are so fucking shitty, you can tell almost all of them don't actually care about other Christians are are solely navel-gazed about their own particular salvation. It's a self-centerdness that has only hurt the Body of Christ over the centuries.
>>25072054In the book he does mention just how much silver the Spanish dumped into wars in Europe vs Protestants to the point that Spain should have been a rich nation but just wound up being poor again through its constant wars.
>>25072054>They're the reason we never Christianized JapanAnd thank Christ for that. Imagine if we had millions of Takeshi tradcath larpers invading the board.
>>25071896>People were a lot more free to speak their mind back then>back then>2011You are literally a child if you think this.
>>25071864>They were complex societies full of people.Obviously not complex enought to not get curbstomped by a few thousand Europeans
>>25072762The Europeans were rarely fighting just them against the natives, until the 19th Century they were nearly always in a coalition with natives, sometimes fighting other Europeans in coalition with other natives.
>>25072041I hope Iran turns Israel into a radioactive cloud
>>25072762Most of what killed off the natives was disease form Europe. He mentioned journals from explorers pushing west beyond the original colonies and finding abandoned or lightly populated villages by the score. What living natives that were left were heavily scarred by pox.
>>25071960I think recent genetics have extreme bottlenecks all over those islands such that it might even have been more like 30k.When you consider volcanos like Montserrat or, worse, Martinique which just fucking erase half an island at a time, often the fertile part where everyone lives; or hurricanes like Maria, that's believable to me.
>>25072054Nobody was going to Christianise Japan on account the Japanese have high IQs, a defensible hinterland, resistance to disease, an ancient literate culture, and an emperor who commanded respect across most of the islands on his own.If you compare the American empires, the Aztecs had made a shitload of enemies and their religion was mostly an excuse to terrorise subjects. The Inca were slightly better but most of their subjects considered them arrogant invaders.Catholicism by contrast was presented as the good cop against the conquistadors' bad cop: if your lord was raping village girls and generally playing El Guapo, the church could excommunicate the bastard which if nothing else meant that other Spaniards could kick him out.
>>25071864>applying morality to historyCringe
>>25071864Both of those things are true. If you disagree go live in the Amazon.
>>25072983I mean the basic facts that Columbus kick started the modern world as we know it is true. I'm just joking about his enthusiasm for globalism in the book.
>>25073000It pisses me off that Chris Columbus gets shit for stuff Bartolomew and the other settlers did. He wasn't even that active in a lot of colonial administration.
>>25073011It's because he is the big name that is taught in schools. At most you only get him, sometimes they go deeper and talk about Cortez. He is no longer being dragged down for his individual actions but as a stand in for the actions of all of Europe in the Americas.
>>25072688I guess that doesnt apply to faggots/faggotry but you could generally change your political ideologies because people wouldnt hold them and your twitter post history over your head
>>25073000>I meanStopped reading there.
>>25073314Only the highest quality and standard of 4chan conversations for this fella, folks.
You know you're dealing with a resentful third worlder on goodreads when they start to break out "the diseases that almost wiped out the americas were because whypipo never bathed until muslims taught them how to" argument rather than accepting that the eurasian trade routes and domestication of animals made eurasian civilizations pay in installments what fate, admittedly very cruelly, forced the new world to pay in a lump sum. Yeah I'm talking about that Alfred Crosby book.Though I feel like if you called the biological expansion of a given ethnic group and the flora and fauna of that group's home milieu "ecological imperialism" like Crosby did with the euros you would be called a far right nutcase. Like something tells me Cambridge or Oxford won't be publishing books anytime soon with titles like " Ecological Imperialism : The Biological Expansion of the Muslim World" or "The Biological Expansion of India".
>>25071864That's the most Machiavellian/ubermenschian thing I've ever read.He's totally right, if you want to make an omelette you need to break a few eggs.
>>25072054>Protestants are so fucking shitty, you can tell almost all of them don't actually care about other ChristiansDo you think Catholics cared about Protestants in 16th century Europe? Kek. How fucking retarded does your view of history have to be to think the religious wars of Europe were one-sided.
>>25071977>a secret JewGood god, catholics are never happy. Though the Sabbatians insincerely converted to Islam and Catholicism, what reason is there to believe these "Converso" weren't sincere?
>>25073683How common was it for Jews to convert to Catholicism? One of the characters in Magic Mountain was born Jewish and sort of argued his way through every religion until finally becoming a Jesuit. Is it related to the Jesuits that people think every Catholic is secretly Jewish?
>>25073683>>25074689I remember once hearing that Spanish dishes use pork and ham so much because it was a way to test how sincere conversos were
>>25071977It means he was a jew. Retarded christians need to stop pretending that words are more important than nature.
>>25072054Good, be glad the English and Dutch stopped your jewish mental disease spreading further. Too bad about the south americans, they're in their racemixed hellhole because of catholicism.
>>25076062The converso bullshit is fake. He was from Italy and conversos were a Spanish phenomenon. Some faggot researcher with an agenda "proved" that he was a converso not too long ago because he had a J2 haplogroup or some shit. Everyone in the field called him out for his shoddy methods and unsurprisingly the full results of his study were never released.
>>25073480Starting a sentence with "I mean" is a tell that you're about to read something written by a retard.
>>25072054>Protestants are so fucking shitty, you can tell almost all of them don't actually care about other Christians are are solely navel-gazed about their own particular salvation.Tradcaths love attacking other Christians, completely unprompted.
>>25077628>completely unprompted>and then one day, for no reason at all...Prots are the spiritual cousins of kikes.
