Which Bible translation does /lit/ prefer?I grew up in an ultra religious (mormon) family and the KJV is the only version we used
>>25075944>Brenton's septuagint>Take your pick for new testiment translationIf your bible relies heavily on the Masoretic text fucking burn it.
>>25075944Scholarly consensus is the NRSV Updated Edition
>>25076101That's because scholars are atheists and it's a fairly liberal translation. .
>>25075944there is no good translation in english try learning Serbian
>>25075944>the KJV is the only version we usedThat's really all that you need, read a Study Bible if you want more notes and annotations.
KJV is the best, but not the most accurate.NASB, LSB, NKJV, ESV are good. I think people get too hung up on translations, though. Whether you're a critical text guy, or a KJV-onlyist, there's loads of tools at your disposal to study the actual Greek and Hebrew, and facsimile or even actual photographic scans of the various surviving manuscripts. I keep physical copies of the KJV, NASB, Strong's concordance, Vine's expository word study, and Thayer's lexicon, and an old Zondervan's concise Bible dictionary on my desk for study, but I also have ebook versions of stuff like the BDAG and HALOT lexicons, the NIDNTTE and NIDOTTE expository dictionaries, and various other word studies books, Greek a d Hebrew grammar books, Bible encyclopedias and atlases on my computer.There's also a lot of good interlinear, or even better for most laymen, reverse interlinear Bibles that show the Greek and Hebrew alongside their English translations. Learning the Greek alphabet only takes a couple hours of flashcard work, and enables you to quickly and easily make use of a lexicon or expository dictionary. The ESV Reverse-Interlinear, the Lexham Bible, etc.There's a lot of very strong opinions about Bible translations, so being able to do deeper study in the original languages will be of great benefit to you.
>>25076183btw if you go with a KJV, check out center-column reference Bibles. Like the name implies they have a center column reference that will have modern definitions for antiquated language in the center column, along with the scriptural references. For instance in the book of James, where he exhorts us to "be not many masters" it'll have have a little number in the text after the word masters, and you'll find the corresponding definition in the center column and see that he means "teachers". Thomas Nelson makes pretty decent ones for cheap. I got a leather one with thumb-indexes for $17 last year during a sale.
I use the KJV & NRSV. It's all I need.
>>25076183pictel covers a lot of these topics, plus basic hermeneutics.
>Mauro Biglino quietly makes disappointed italian noises at you for trusting theologian and translator fantasies imposed on history books
>>25076275>we gotta da pasta, we gotta da meatball.. whya we needa da bible? mama mia
>>25076275the UFO nutter.who thinks the Bible is about aliens?
>>25075944Urantia.It will be the new Bible for the next thousand years.
>>25076286>UFO nutterNah, that's his anglo collaborator, Biglino is more even handed in his critique of mistranslations. His position is that if the word can't be translated it should be left untranslated (with annotations like how elohim does not mean god but is a plural of mortal beings squabbling over territory), and people should then be allowed to understand the meaning in its natural context instead of whatever the committee decided it should be.
>>25076294Oh, so he only collaborates with UFO nutters. I see.
>>25076305Read what is actually written, make up your own mind from there.
>>25076183>being obsessed over having the most precise version of a book, to understand every single detail>learning the original language, trying to decipher the first ever edition from thousands of years before you were born>going though archeological evidence of old half burned papyrus with 50 words on them and cross referencing all of them>mfw when in the end the book is a fanfic written 100 years later by posers that never met the guy in question and is full of hallucinated events that defy common sense and physics. I can't understand religious retards. If you want to be autistic just learn differential calculus or something. I've seen one of the oldest gospels in an exhibition between the Vatican and Taiwan, and it's pretty cool from an historical perspective tho
>>25075944King James Version.
>>25076332I Corinthians 1:18Nothing new.
>>25076342Amen
Septuagint or Masoretic which way literary man?
Small advice for any Christian considering serious study of Scripture--Sort out your prayer life first, you'll need the Lord's help to endeavor and develop understanding.One short and sweet method would be to read Luther's letter to his barber, Master Peter. Often published under the title "A Simple Way to Pray". It's a very short letter where Luther advises his old friend about how one might improve their prayer life. Luther developed a "4-strand cord" method where he chooses a text (namely the Lord's Prayer, the Ten Commandments and the Apostles' Creed) and meditates upon each line, commandment or article by focusing on what it Instructs, giving Thanks, Confession of his failings in regards to the instruction, and lastly Praying for forgiveness and help, both for himself and mankind. ITCP. Very simple. He also offers many examples of how one might perform this method in practice. He also recognizes the importance of spontaneous prayer, and warns us not to be rigid in this approach, but to allow the Spirit to guide our minds when Holy thoughts are had.You might also want to write down or memorize the Prayer, Commandments and Creed if you haven't already. Reading some expository works on these would also be useful. Thomas Watson covers all three in The Ten Commandments, The Lord's Prayer, and A Body of Divinity. A.W. Pink is another who has some short works on each. R.C Sproul is a favorite modern theologian of mine, whose layman's guide to Biblical study I mentioned earlier, also has some short works on all three. What We Believe, How Does God's Law Apply to Me and The Prayer of the Lord by R.C. Sproul are all short works under 150 pages.
I like the KJV and Douay-Rheims versions. To me that sort of archaizing style is just what sounds biblical. I suspect, given your upbringing, you would feel similarly. If you want to read something more modern, the more formal translations feel like less of a departure, like the RSV family, NKJV, NASB, ESV. I don't necessarily think that looser translations are illegitimate, but (questions of accuracy aside) I just don't prefer them for aesthetic reasons.Another translation you might find interesting if you're looking for something different (on the looser side) is the Ronald Knox translation.https://knoxbible.com/why_is_knox_bible_unique.htmlhttps://catholicbible.online/knox?bible_part_no=1&book_no=1&chapter_no=1At this stage in my life, if I'm just reading for myself, I try to stick to the Vulgate to exercise my Latin muscles. I'd like to learn to read the Greek versions too at some point.
>>25075955Based man
Anyone read the Geneva Bible? I never hear it discussed here. There's lots of original liner notes, too. It's what the American Puritans would've brought over on the Mayflower, but other than it being a popular 16th century Bible that predates the KJV, I don't know.much about it.
>Deuteronomy 32:8If your bible says "Israel" it is of the devil. Find a better translation.
>>25076702An interesting observation, thanksNotable that Elyon also isn't yahweh but the highest elohim who did the dividing of the descendants of the Adamquite a misreadable passage
>>25076177KJ sounds retarded though>Doust thou sitith on grassy mount? Nay do not go! naer thee hear my most trueth sermon!
>>25076702What does either translation meaningfully change?
>>25076996What verse are you quoting?
>>25077048I made it up
>>25075944>Which Bible translation does /lit/ prefer?>implying they're all translating the same bookAll modern English translations are part of the continued counter-reformation. They only stopped burning Bibles because it wasn't working anymore.>>25075955Catholicism is antiwhite. Their tradcuck bishops demand open borders for "richer" (read: White) countries, partly because they're antiwhite, partly because they want Catholic Hispanics to keep flooding into America. And it was a catholic supreme court that forced faggot "marriage" on Protestant/Baptist America. Antiwhite mods can tongue my anus.>>25076101>Jesuit consensus is the NRSV Updated EditionFTFY
>>25077096>Catholicism is antiwhite.as usual, 4chan ahead of the curve even on tradlarping, returning to the first klan while everyone's still on the second
>translation
>>25075944Non-religious secular study: New Oxford Annotated Bible with ApocryphaI just want the /lit/ references: KJVCasual reading or the KJV is too hard: RSV/NRSV/ESV/NKJV just pick one that isn't NIV or a meme translation. Religious: Ask for a copy of whatever is in the pews, or just ask the priest. Get familiar with this one even if you have autistic opinions against it, enough that when someone says "turn to page" you can get there by feel not by sight. One copy of a study bible with religious notes, bonus points if it includes prayers and things like that (AKA something like the Orthodox Study Bible over the New Oxford). Mark up and bookmark this one to death unless it's also your daily reader, otherwise mark up a second pew bible. One copy of any approved translation with minimal to no notes meant purely for just sitting with the word and reading devotionally as your daily workhorse or bedside bible. Keep this one clean. This is the only one you might want to splurge for a hardcover or fancy edition of.
If you are on /lit/ and "the KJV is too hard" for you that is just nonsense. Why is anybody pandering to idiots as if they were on reddit?
>>25077434I don't know why you'd expect much at all from a /lit/izen, weeb or atheist, much less all three.
>>25077418My pastor would whip your ass with a belt if you wrote notes in his pew Bibles.
>>25076996it doesn’t sound like that retard
KJV Matthew 6:13"And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil; ..."this is terrible and not accurate as far as I know, and doesn't even make sense - in the most important christian prayer you ask god to not lead you into temptation? like if that was something you expect him to do
>>25077539https://biblehub.com/matthew/6-13.htmcheck the greek breakdown at the bottom
Hey how do you guys feel about the word satan and how it's interpretted wrongly?
*the serpent has entered the chat*
>>25077575Satan and the serpent have no connection. satan isn't anyone or anything it just means opponent or adversary.
I don’t know why some people criticise the NRSV. I compared it side by side with a KJV copy and it’s almost identical aside from the fact that the KJV is more poetic and has books that weren’t part of the original text.
>>25075944Isn't this guy a tech channel? Why's he talking about Bibles now?
If you’re not reading Douay Rheims then you obviously believe in heliocentrism and shall be put to death for your heresy
>>25075944Unless you're choosing some schizo cult translation or ai translated it really doesn't matter. Most translations in the past 400 years have been just about the same minus or adding some books. If you're really going to get anal about it, you should just learn Greek and Hebrew.>>25076157>That's because scholars are atheistsMost biblical scholars are sincerely religious.
in latin by Saint Jerome
>>25078220DR-onlyists are consistently more insane than KJV-onkyists. It's impressive, really..We've successfully protestant-ized Rome with our Satanic corrupted translations and you're powerless to stop us muahahaha muahahaha muahahahah
>>25078228>Most biblical scholars are sincerely religious.Maybe so. But sincerity is no substitute for the analogy of faith. Scripture must interpret Scripture. Most biblical sholars are theologically liberal. They use the historical-critical method to deny the supernatural. They do not believe God acts in history. They treat the Bible like any other human book, which distorts the Gospel. If miracles are not facts, the faith is dead. Miracles aren't literary devices or metaphors, they're miracles.
>>25078247I’m pretty sure that by “Christian” they believe that Jesus was resurrected.
>>25078230>muahahahaDios mio el americano, we speak English here.
>>25078284Ask one of the donkey spoke, or if Moses actually parted the sea, or if Sarah and Hagar were actual figures, or metaphors for mountains in Judea, or if the world was created in 6 days, etc.
>>25078294Old Testament stories can be regarded as metaphors because Christians aren’t Jewish.
>>25078295This is exactly what I was talking about.
>>25078321>>25078295but okay.. did Christ cast out literal demons and send them into pigs who fled into the sea to drown? Do we get to regard that as metaphor, too? Did he turn water into wine? Did he feed thousands with a few leaves and fish?
>>25078326You’re missing the point. The overwhelming consensus among biblical scholars is that Jesus existed and was executed by Pilate by method of crucifixion. In want of contemporary accounts, the best that researchers have to work with is the gospel itself. Whether or not every word is 100% literally true is secondary in regard to who is or isn’t Christian. The bible is a series of separate documents written by separate authors years apart, but what they describe which is central to the Christian religion is the resurrection. That is the matter of divided opinion that makes a person Christian or not.
>>25077743I think so? It looks like All Things Secured
>>25078340No, you're missing the point. If you discard the truth of the Bible, you lose the only witness to the resurrection itself. You cannot pull one thread from the tapestry and expect the rest to hodl. Without the historical integrity of the whole, your belief is just a guess based on a book you don't actually trust or believe in.
>>25078356In other words belief in the inerrancy of Scripture is just as essential as the belief in the resurrection.
>>25078359Then why isn’t it mentioned in the nicene creed
>>25078364What document was the sole source of the articles of the creed?
>>25078365What does the Nicene creed actually say?
>>25078367This is where we fundamentally disagree. You view the Biblical canon as a collection of stories useful for moral instruction, and more or less irrelevant to the faith, whereas I see it as the literal God-breathed account of the Lord's work, and the only trustworthy source of knowledge concerning our faith. You're content with a church's traditions and creedal statements meant to combat heresy, whereas I rely only on the Holy Scripture
>>25078372That is not to say the creed or confessions are not useful, only that they are not incapable of error as the Bible is
>>25078372I’m not a Christian, I’m only explaining that biblical scholars who don’t take everything in the bible literally are still Christians if they believe in Jesus
>>25078381We should make you people wear stars.
>>25078383I referred to Christians in third person at the beginning of the argument, detective
>>25078381Mormona believe in Christ. Muslims and Hindus believe in Christ. Are they Christian? In your opinion what is the minimum required belief to be able to consider yourself a Christian? Is it the Creed? What about denominations like the Church of Christ, who are anti-creedal? Are they Christians?>>25078383Shh
>>25078389If it's the resurrection, then what about the Bahai? Are they now to be considered Christian because they teach of a spiritual resurrection? If it's a literal resurrection that's required, why then is that the sole belief that must be taken literally if "Christians" are free to interpret things like the flood as metaphor?
>>25078389Christians believe that sin leads humanity in its natural state to destruction but by his mercy God provides the mercy of eternal life through the faith in and worship of Jesus because he beared the sins of humanity while being co-equal with God the father. That’s always what it’s meant. For most of history, most Christians couldn’t even read, so how can someone be faithful to literalism of something they’ve never read
>>25078397>>25078397Being able to read is irrelevant, one can hear just as well as one reads, but one must hear the truth.
>>25078399The only fundamentally necessary truth in Christian salvation is what I just wrote
>>25078403The Catholics and Presbyterians spent years murdering one another over the belief that the others weren't Christian, but a non-Christian with a modernist theologically liberal view is now the final arbiter? I don't think so.
>>25078420Do you think they were correct that one or the other is going to hell? Or are they instead both saved by faith in Jesus?
>>25078359Holding to biblical inerrancy doesn’t mean that no metaphorical interpretations are allowed. The catholics allow for example a non literal understanding of the number of creation days.
>>25078220Regrettably, Bishop Richard Challoner changes the English translation from the Latin Vulgate of gyrus (circle) from ‘compass’ in the original 1610 Douay-Rheims to ‘globe’ in his revision circa 1750. So, unfortunately you are incorrect.
>>25078550>>25078220Also, the death parts not nice either.
The one, the only.
>>25078566Was that when Dutch still had a case system?
>>25078550Wouldn't "gyrum terrae" be more open to heliocentric interpretation? That would mean something like the "course" or "circuit" or even "track of the earth," which sounds dangerously like an orbit.https://artflsrv03.uchicago.edu/philologic4/LewisShort521/navigate/7/896/?byte=1273463
>>25078598The case system only truly died out after the second world war, though it does still exist in proverbs and expressions.
guys, what the fuck is this msg translation??
> Old TestamentLexham English Septuagint> New TestamentEast Orthodox BibleCan't wait for the new rome press Bible that combines them.
One thing AI is good for is retrieving bible verses in multiple translations, side by side. You can also request the original Greek or Hebrew to be included with it. Ask for commentary from theologians you trust to be included. It's made an expensive bible software or website subscription unnecessary, desu.>>25078342>All Things Secured He wasn't kidding when he said all things. Data, personal info, salvation..>>25079047Not a fan of the NT translation, but the design and typography of that looks quite beautiful
>>25079047Isn’t the Orthodox Study Bible’s New Testament just the NKJV?
>>25079519Yes, but the EOB is a different translation.
>>25079526Interesting. I have never seen it in bookstores. Does it have 4 Maccabees and the Prayer of Manasseh?
>>25075944>KJV is the only version we usedyou are on a scholarship board. kjv has no serious problems and it has always been the most popular, therefore anything else is a commentary on it, and if you quote anything else you have to justify doing so. so your family was right to use kjv despite thinking Jesus came from kolob
>>25076430> interested in reading Scripture? here youll want these distractions
>>25079574The EOB only includes the New Testament. The Lexham English Septuagint has them though.
>>25076430> interested in reading Scripture? here youll want these distractions>>25078550> It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:* the circle is the earths path* the curtain is the cosmic voids* the stretching is dark energy expanding the voids while gravity draws the material into our tent
>>25076169Quiet, Ivan
>>25079901>EnochWhat? I don’t think that’s in the Septuagint. Not saying I don’t like it though. >Psalms of SolomonWhat’s that?>OdesIsn’t that just the Psalms formatted differently?>Alternate TextHow so?
>>25079894>distractionsNot particularly interested in any worldview that views prayer as unnecessary or sees ot as a distraction, sorry.
>>25078724Its a vibe. Really makes you feeeel the gospel.
>>25080000Lexham is based on H.B. Swete’s edition of the Codex Vaticanus. In general, any additional books were created in the 1st-4th centuries. In general Eastern Orthodox prefers the Greek over the Hebrew/Aramaic, mostly for tradition. >EnochOnly 1 Enoch>Psalms of SolomonAdditional Psalms created in 1st-2nd century. >OdesAdditional hymns from 4th-6th centuries. >Alternate TextOver time versions of some stories began to replace others. These are the later versions that are different enough that they can't simply be listed in the footnotes.
Wait, what? How can there be different versions of the Word of God? That's blasphemous talk, buddy. -- The Amish use 'thee' and 'thou' because that's how Jesus talked.
>>25081488>1488Wasted on a moron
>>25075944I'm an NIrV man myself
>>25081565I attended Dartmouth College btw. Not sure if that matters
>>25076996Retard.
>>25077659Wrong, retard:He laid hold of the dragon, that serpent of old, who is the Devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years-Revelation 20:2
>>25081618Bodied that gnostic.
>>25076101spbp
>>25076101> Bible of the month club recommendation is replace the kjv with
>>25076183>Learning the Greek alphabet only takes a couple hours of flashcard work, and enables you to quickly and easily make use of a lexicon or expository dictionary.You'd be surprised at how quickly you can learn the Greek alphabet
Unless you are reading a version stemming from the Vulgate you are GAYTLDR Knox and Douay Rheims only
>>25083137Holy basedtldr: this
>>25083137>>25083175why though? pitch the vulgate to me.
>>25083189It was *the* Bible of Christendom for centuries.Standard translation = less pilpul on pointless semantics.If it was good enough for countless saints it's good enough for you.Also it actually includes the complete BIblical canon unlike the KJV.
>>25083222so its a carholic and ortho preference?
>>25083276I don't know what Bible the orthos use, given they keep fracturing over and over over political stuff, but yes, I will not deny that I am biased towards the One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church.
>>25083294I don't belong to a church but internet catholics are very rude so I don't eber feel compelled to look into cath doctrine desu, as they never seem to embody the spirit of Christianity, my understanding of it being as limited as it is. thst and all the crazy poltical stuff.
>>25083301Perhaps consider reading the Confessions of Saint Augustine in your free time, then. It's a simple read and gives a faithful testimony from one of the greatest theological minds Christendom has ever seen.
>>25083301Bad Catholics have always been a scandal, so modernity is not unique in that sense. Also keep in mind, the internet is a hyper real space where words are amplified and the subtleties of natural human interaction are lost. It brings out the worst in everyone. There's no excuse for it, Catholics really shouldn't be on 4 chan, yet we keep coming back.
>>25083307actually am, oddly enough at the recommendation of a calvinist minister who was mentioned in this thread, because of his apparent views on grace and predestination, the protestant guy called him one of the greatest theologians to ever live. all the denominational bickering is very confusing for the new seeker.
>>25083345wait no, it was Aquinas he said that about, i got confused because he mentioned Augstine having protestant views as well, and I know both camps claim him, too.
>>25083337nobody should be on 4chan, regardless of their beliefs
>>25083345What ultimately convinced me is that there are very few groups that have a continuous unbroken link to the apostles. The big ones are the Catholic, Orthodox, arguably Anglicans, and a slew of minor groups like Oritental Orthodox and Sedevacantist/Conclavist split-offs from the Catholic Church.Apostolic succession is the chain that binds them to Christ's promise, that the gates of hell will not prevail against the Church (which He appointed Peter as the foundation (rock) of).Ultimately the whole Church stems from the Apostles. They were the ones who appointed priests, ordained bishops, and wrote the gospels. Their transferring of authority to their successor bishops is how we have the Biblical canon (which Saint Augustine was present for at the Synod of Hippo). Most protestants are comfortable saying "Sola scriptura!" But this doesn't take the larger picture into account, namely the early Church, what they taught/believed, and the fact that Christendom predates the Biblical canon.TLDR I choose the Catholic Church because Christ appointed Peter as its head and the successive Popes inherit the promise. That's not to say they will always be good pastors or caretakers of the Church, but the gates of hell will not prevail against the Church. Just as our Lord promised.
>>25083301Look what I found, Catholics! A dweeb! *shoves you inside your locker*
>>25076177As a man of faith I cannot abide by the stylish embellishments of the writers of the KJV; the Word of the Lord shall be untainted by artistic indulgence
>>25083435I turn the other cheek on his behalf, and mine. Peace be with you all.
>>25083351>>25083345Augustine doesn't have Protestant views in the sense that he was a proto-Protestant and not a Catholic. He has views that are consistent with Protestantism, but Catholicism has views that are consistent with Protestantism too. The only reason someone would think that Augustine is a proto-Protestant rather than Catholic is because they are operating under caricatured views of Protestantism and Catholicism, like that Protestantism re-discovered the biblical teaching of grace, whereas Catholics believe in works instead of grace, or that Augustine teaching predestination means he's a Calvinist, even though Catholics and other non-Calvinist Protestants also believe in predestination. Or that only Calvinists believe that God is "sovereign," so that anyone who writes about God's "sovereignty" (even if they don't use that word) is also a Calvinist.What did Augustine write about topics like the sacraments? Or consider how Augustine wrote about praying for the dead, and how the saints intercede for us? Is that Calvinist?https://www.newadvent.org/fathers/1316.htmProbably what the Calvinist minister meant that a lot of what Augustine wrote is praiseworthy and agreeable to his Protestant views, not claiming that the Catholic Church (that's what Augustine called it) of Augustine's time resembled modern-day Protestantism, or that Augustine was a Protestant.
>>25083457Another dweeb!*shuts you inside your locker*
>>25083515I love you, anon. I will suffer in this locker and pray for you. I bless God for this Cross. If I were a masochist, there would be less merit in my suffering, but because I am not a masochist, I’m confident God will shower His graces on 4 Chan. That’s why I keep coming back. No, it’s not my pride, but my love.
>>25081618Satan is not a person in the old tesatment, multiple individuals are referred to as satan, even humans are called satan, revelations misusing the word does not change that it means adversary. It just makes satanism and satanists even more retarded.What was your point?
>>25083631You’re dumb.
>>25083648He's describing the modern secular critical-historical academic view.. so yeah he's dumb. They'll disregard centuries of orthodoxy in favor of some new novel concept that academia has posited and smugly assert it as fact. The hermeneutics of an unregenerate person who denies the supernatural character of Scripture.
>>25083698No I appreciate the supernatural. It's quite real afterall.We interact with alternate realms who are somewhat hostile to our own.But satan is not a single being.
>>25083706Oh, it's even worse, he's some flavor of gnostic or occultist.
>>25083711Yes kek
>>25083711I don't particularly care what you want to call me.Tell me why you want to stick to, all I know is that demons exist somehow, I don't know what they are but they exist. I find it easier to think of them as not fully of our world.
>>25083817You will never understand demons until you embrace the correct understanding of Genesis, which you have proven before unwilling and incapable of accepting. Satan, the serpent, tempted and beguiled Eve. Demons operate in the same way. God is all good, yet allows this to test men. It is the Mystery of Inequity.
>>25083817>I have very rigid interpretations of the Bible, butI jist sort of "wing it" and dream up a bunch of stuff when it comes to the rest of my theological worldview Very cool. You keep some healing crystals and tarot cards about, too? Ask ol' Mom to save the chicken livers when she does up the Sunday roast, do you?
>>25083832Read the bible as it actually is, elohim are not gods and yahweh is not the elohim of genesis
>>25083835No, that’s a sin against the first commandment.
>>25083845>asks stupid questions >gives dumber adviceFaggot.
>>25075944Jehova's Witnesses are said to have a very good translation.KJV is just plain garbage.If you can be arsed, learn the original languages and read them that way instead.
>>25083835No, those are pretty gay, why do i need to be some weird occultist larper is it to make it easier to dismiss me?
>>25083864Literally no one outside of JWs saus that.>>25083870Your personal interpretation is so deeply flawed.and unorthodox I assumed you were a weird occultist LARPer. You don't find it bizarre that your reading of the Bible is at odds with Catholic, Orthodox, and Protestant orthodoxy?
>>25075944>mormons>ever picking up a bible
>>25083864>The New World Translation is good, and the KJV is trashThis is one of the most profoundly stupid opinions I've ever read.
>>25075944i'm just getting into christianity but i bought the ASV the other day, seems pretty solid from what excerpts i've read. it's like the KJV but with old english mostly relegated to pronouns.
>>25083898Oh don't sell me short I'm fundamentally at odds with the Jews and Muslims too.
>>25084783Settle down, jew. Take your meds. You sound as deranged as Mormon doctrine.>>25084736ASV is still fine. MacArthur preached from it occasionally until he died last year.
>>25075944Joseph Smith translation > KJV > everything else
>>25085733Joseph Smith was a FTM transexual.
>>25075944KJV is the best one, being a contrarian can be disastrous at times.
>>25075944How did your family square Galatians 1:8? That's commonly used as a killshot against Mormonism and Islam.
>>25086555Anon, both of those wrote fan fiction to legalize their fuck parties.
>>25086555I’ve actually had a Muslim street preacher use that verse on me concerning Christian spiritual experiences, yet at the same time they consider all of Saint Paul’s Epistles to corrupt the original Gospel.
Anglicanism and Lutheranism are the only acceptable forms of Christianity and I'm tired of pretending otherwise.
>>25075944If you like the KJV for the archaic poetic nature of it, there's also the Douay-Rheims version. Biggest downsides are that 1. You have to spell it, and 2. people will suspect you of being a tradlarper.>>25083510>Probably what the Calvinist minister meant that a lot of what Augustine wrote is praiseworthy and agreeable to his Protestant viewsI don't think it's what happened, but it would be amusing to me if somebody had the Evangelical view of Catholicism as "basically Illuminati Babylon" and then read a Doctor of the Church, a Catholic among Catholics, and thought "wow he sounds like a Protestant, nothing about idolatry or human sacrifice at all".
>>25086625Spiritually blind people can embrace all sorts of contradictions
>>25086643The Reformed hold both Aquinas and Augustine in high regard due to their positions on grace and predestination, not out of ignorance of Catholic doctrines.. but let's keep having brother wars while we're flooded with Islam and under the thumb of Judaism, that's smart.
>>25075944Imagine someone showed up tomorrow to a group of maybe 100 people and told them insane yet believable truths, then left.nearly a century later, around 2100 or so, the people in that room actually write down what they think he said.over the next 300 years people debate which of the many contradictory and strange writings - some that is in one language, others in another, still others in third - and decide which are "real", and which are probably fake or misleading. this is further colored by the fact that a church surrounding this man already exists and is gaining power, a fact that is heavily influencing decisionsby 2,445, a consensus of sorts is reached, but there's a twist: it's translated into yet another language, this time one that most people can't readthis remains the case for over 1,200 years. finally, in the year 3,661, a version comes out translated into the language you now speak.and now it's 400 years after that, we're in the year 4052, and you're wondering what the best translation is...? if you weren't in that room in 2026 then the answer is none of them are good, or said differently, all of them are equally good. just throw a dart, anon, it doesn't matter whatsoever.
>>25086672If this was the 90s, this would be enough to get a standup special
>>25086667It's just bants, chill out.
>>25086630>You must accept Dr. Cool or Mr. Pibb, as they are the nearest-neighbor to Dr. Pete, which is already refutedOr I could just drink my fucking Coke
>>25087110Actually Coke is a good representative of Catholicism, which has changed numerous times. I'll keep my oliet bang's
>>25087110Repent from the sin of swearing lest you risk the salvation of your soul. > Nor should there be obscenity, foolish talk or coarse joking, which are out of place, but rather thanksgiving. - Ephesians 5:4> But now you must also rid yourselves of all such things as these: anger, rage, malice, slander, and filthy language from your lips. - Colossians 3:8> The tongue also is a fire, a world of evil among the parts of the body. It corrupts the whole body, sets the whole course of one’s life on fire, and is itself set on fire by hell. All kinds of animals, birds, reptiles and sea creatures are being tamed and have been tamed by mankind, but no human being can tame the tongue. It is a restless evil, full of deadly poison. With the tongue we praise our Lord and Father, and with it we curse human beings, who have been made in God’s likeness. Out of the same mouth come praise and cursing. My brothers and sisters, this should not be. - James 3:6–10> Keep your mouth free of perversity; keep corrupt talk far from your lips. - Proverbs 4:24> And I tell you this, you must give an account on judgment day for every idle word you speak. - Matthew 12:36
>>25087147>out of place>malice>no human being can tame the tongueGranted, that's why I'm on 4chan and not talking like this in church>Keep your mouth free of perversity; keep corrupt talk far from your lips>you must give an account on judgment day for every idle word you speakDoesn't mean we must be locked in to one mode and never have fun.
>>25087169nta but Catholics are wildis it a "screw it, I'll just do my time in purgatory" mindset that makes them behave so flippantly?
>>25087436The entirety of Catholicism can be summarized>Submit to non-argument
>>25087115it's diet barg's, you heretic
>>25075944NASB pew Bibles are very comfy to read.
>>25087961a hardcover pew bible would be my last choice
>>25087436That's actually a really good point, something to be aware of. I would still much rather have purgatory than the alternative but people shouldn't rely on it. It's essentially inevitable if you're not a literal saint but that's no reason to extend your stay.However, I also think it has to do with a very long institutional memory of being a hereditary religion. Being a "cultural Catholic" is a recipe for complacency. Same trap the Israelites kept falling into.
>>25075944Latin American Bible.
>>25075944LSB
