Blood Meridian is about the horrors of white supremacy and American imperialism
>>25081680I love jews.
>>25081680The US never did anything wrong
dakkadakka is such a fag. He tried to stream/podcast for a bit last year but quickly realized no one wants to hear another fat retard giving right wing pop culture takes
i just shat my diaper while watching jujutsu kaisen in front of my discord sisters
>>25081680Anyone find it funny and ironic af that the word “rightoid” has a direct linguistic link back to the racially related -oid suffix that was revived by the nationalistic and racial shitposting on this website? Just by using the word Lefties are getting influenced by the far right “white supremacist” meme machine without even realizing it, which is pretty ironic since this post appears to be calling out some e celeb for not understanding a book he read or some shit.
McCarthy was a right winger and the novel isn’t about any of the things you troons think because you are low IQ and super mentally ill
It’s quite literally based on the Apache-Mexican wars and a historical account of the Glanton gang. More than half of the atrocities in the book are committed by the Apaches. This is why the absolute highest aspiration of any leftist is committing suicide by ICE
it's not about the evils of white people, it's about the evils of people. when the judge goes to face the indians after making the gunpowder, he says that all his party are dead save himself, knowing that they will try attack him anyways rather than leaving him alone. he knew that asking for mercy was an effective way to act as bait.>>25081733this doesn't contradict the claim that mccarthy drew on reports of the bahaviour of americans in vietnam. it is a large book, and draws on many things.
To be fair, I'd think Blood Meridian was a 10/10 masterpiece if all I was used to was vidya slop with dogshit dialogue constantly funnelng me into quests, walk'n chats and dopamine-fueled violence.
literally a case of "WHITE MEN ARE LE BAD" kek
harold bloom assigned this book every year at yale, of course it's "white man bad" lmao it's still fire tho
the twitter op is stupid for thinking it's a metaphor for vietnam or some shit when it's literally about the glanton gang an actual crew of huwhite outlaws
>>25081746Indian warfare is the American way of war. Americhads conquered the plains of North America by adopting the savage fighting of the Indian and combining it with modern European weaponry. When we fought throughout Asia in the early-mid 20th century, that was the kind of war we were fighting.I once read an author who got very close to this thesis, but instead of seeing Indians as the origination he traced it back to 30 Years War Europe so as not to implicate the previous PoCs in our savage way of warfare. (retarded since England didn’t take part in the 30 Years War and the Quebecois who could have bee involved in the French Wars of religion AND the 30 Years War never developed a similar warrior culture)
>look guys, im white!
McCarthy broke his cardinal rule of not explaining his own books to make the "It‘s a dangerous idea to think you can remove violence from people" comment specifically to cut off any potential for braindead assertions that BM can be read in the light of moral condemnation. >hmm i wonder why the bear owners who are attacked without provocation get repeatedly emphasized as Tyrolian and the final chapter subheading is in German
>>25081680It's an amoral book. I swear, you could take a picture of a wolf killing a deer and a liberal would think it's advocating veganism. McCarthy might have been intending the book to be about le noble Indian and the savage White man, but he writes with enough skill that none of his bias comes through and you can pull whatever you want out of it. A comedy to the White man, a tragedy to the Indian.
>>25081775yeah i just read it as this is what humans do when there's no government or laws to stop them. it can of course be read as a "white man bad" but it can also be read as "omg so based" or many other ways, that's why it's a significant text.
>>25081780amorality isnt a real thing lil bro
>>25081785Source?
>>25081786the real world
>>25081787Where is morality in the real world?
>>25081785morality is just a kind of power people use for their advantage, it's kind amoral if u think abt it lol
>>25081789on the left
>>25081791Morality is a bourgeois social construct designed to oppress the proletariat
>>25081791why did they kill 100 million ppl in the 20th century then tho? lol no but seriously resentment isn't morality sorry
>>25081680>lifted directly from Vietnamlol the book opens with reports of scalpings from 50k years ago, it's about violence and the human condition being synonymous. It is a White Man Bad book but insofar as civilization is bad and Whites are the best at civilization.
>>25081794trukulear
>>25081764interesting take. i'm reading douglas southall freeman's biography of george washington, and washington remarked in a letter after braddock's defeat at monongahela river that only indians could defeat interesting. at what point in u.s. history do you see u.s. soldier's adopting indian fighting practices?
>>25081680>Vietnam HOLY RETARD ALERT !!!!!!!
>>25081794heart of darkness already did that better and in fewer words
>>25081706"-oid" predates racial ideology. "Rightoid" is a useful term because the online right is essentially a postmodern plot engineered to resemble a traditional or conservative movement, but which in reality is an elite-funded psyop created to get tards to accept 50 hour workweeks and raise the retirement age to 95. It could also refer to the radical right on places like telegram which no longer even pretend to be anything other than nihilist child grooming rings that worship satan, I would say that these groups represent the culture war in its undiluted form. Actual rightists exist but are mostly not represented online.
>>25081835>the online right is essentially a postmodern plot engineered to resemble a traditional or conservative movement, but which in reality is an elite-funded psyopBut not the heckin wholesome left right sister?
>>25081706Four chan is punk not alt right
ummm actually it's about violence is part of human nature and was heavily inspired by fred neechee
>>25081792My morality has always put me at odds with power structures, human habits, traditions and machiavellians. You must simply be a follower.
>>25081794Whenever Pepe shows up, we know there's some truth. I just re-read the book: everybody from all sides is guilty of violence, men mostly, of course. Women and children are expendable as are most peaceful folk. Viet Nam? Huh? I didn't get that at all. The Glanton gang were a violent crew and died by the sword which they deserved. Also, throwing in the slaughter of the buffalo and the bonepickers, etc. at the end seemed like an afterthought. One thing is that we all get various things from it and that makes it strong literature, not just a Western gore fest.
>>25081680>white people are evil>America is evil>you’re dumb for disagreeing>this is what leftism means, as opposed to the right wing>please white Americans, become leftistsI lmao every time
>>25081835You're being manipulated by the rich to protect their third world scabs from deportation. You deliberately associate your movement with the most unpalatable sexual deviants and ethnic minorities making yourself unpalatable to the White cishet majority. You can't criticize Israel without calling them Nazis or making sure everyone knows you're "Anti-Zionist, not anti-Semitic"
>>25081851All four of those things are eternal and if you refuse to use them, they will use you
>>25081830Didn't ask
>>25081872I can't wait to pick berries all day for below minimum wage!!!
>>25081680the judge is actually just john chivington, who was based and right not "le literal incarnation of evil"
>>25081830thermonuclear truthnuke>>25081880>t. made 1000 paper cranes this year
>>25081886So now you're a laissez-faire capitalist who believes in free trade and the trickle down economy
>>25081791>>25081851your morality upholds bourgeois power structures by focusing on making trivial changes and undermining other, actually effective, revolutionary movements. your utopia is a bourgeois liberal tyranny committing genocide led by queers, blacks, w*men and, most tellingly, aristocrats
>>25081892Lol no Reagan was shit
>>25081889>john chivingtonIts amazing how out of curiosity started reading about this guy and turns out he was a Freemason, its almost as if....
>>25081827it's not something that mccarthy has stated directly, but it's variously believed that accounts of the u.s. army's "tiger force" inspired some of the scenes of the glanton gang. i first encountered this idea in this lecturehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FgyZ4ia25gghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ZFmf4T5L3o
>>25081680Wait until this nigga finds out what John McGill's real name is
>>25081967Yes, Vietnam falls under the umbrella of what he is talking about, but it's just get another example of a thing that has been around forever
I see that this thread is going well
>>25081967Thanks for the lecture though!
>>25081835>resemble a traditional or conservative movementNo sane New Right ideologue would ever claim to be traditionalist or conservative, nor should they, traditions of the old tell us to be subservient to bureaucratic religious authority who dictate that it is your duty to maximize Africans, conservatives bowed to suffragettes
>>25081680This interpretation has ruined Once Upon a Time in the West for me.
>>25081967>blood meridian is the ultimate wester says harold bloomhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1cuccco2umo
>>25081998harold bloom's take away from blood meridian is "it's about guns". heh.
Captain white is a caricature of the manifest destiny racist. I don't see how that can be read otherwise. It seems Mccarthy's only sympathy is with the poor Mexicans who get killed randomly by both white men and apaches.
>>25082017you mention the apaches, do you think they get a more favorable representation than the white?
>>25081863ur gay
>>25081680>masculinity and the cowboy mindsetDo they literally just make up rightoids to be mad about?The character whose presence overshadows the entire book, the Judge, is Giant Bald Rapist Satan. Outside of shitposts nobody's like "yeah you rock dude". It's a harrowing story about evil and the corruption of the soul, and yes there's a racial component to that but you're completely missing the point if you think that's what the book is "about".
>>25082017>Racism is... LE BAD!!!!!!Okay who invited the plebbitor.
>>25081967>>25081998Great stuff.
>>25081680That's one narrow lens, and it's a complicated piece of literature. Don't complain about right/left shit when you're explicitly inviting it with this kind of cherrypicked, racist analysis.
>>25081984I'm no proponent of Francoism but it's clear that the conservative institutions he represented were sober guarantors of stability compared to Hitler's mass-politics on behalf of industrial capitalists. The new, ascendant reaction is a golem of tech and finance capital, and is even more rootless and sadistic than Nazism, it will seek to create Gazas in every corner of the earth. Many rightists have spent the past decade assuming that they will benefit from it, but the days of herrenvolk democracy are gone.
Oh this is the communist campfire stories thread. I thought it was about Blood Meridian
White people are evil. It is a good thing they are being replaced and that they cannot do anything about it.
>>25081680Mass literacy was a lethal mistake example 213816389126738
what about a /lit/ retelling of The Road which begins "It was a cold and autistic night..."
>>25082169
>>25081719>McCarthy was a right wingerWhy? Because that woman who stalked him and checked his trash found out he was subscribed to multiple right wing magazines? That doesn't prove anything. Blood Meridian is obviously about white supremacy. The Judge is white as chalk.
>>25082192He knows that he will never die
>>25081775Does this sound to you like a quote from a right winger?>There's no such thing as life without bloodshed. I think the notion that the species can be improved in some way, that everyone could live in harmony, is a really dangerous idea. Those who are afflicted with this notion are the first ones to give up their souls, their freedom. Your desire that it be that way will enslave you and make your life vacuous.McCarthy was a moderate democrat.
>>25082200yeah it does>the species can be improved in some way, that everyone could live in harmonythat's literally the democrats' and every other leftist's foundational belief?
>>25082213But it's republicans the ones that are always hysterical about MUH SECURITY! Who is crying all the time about wanting to live in a so called "high trust society" because they can't tolerate a little friction?
>>25082221don't u always dab and dunk on republicans when they defend the second amendment after a shooting? dude seek treatment for your tds, your brain is gone.
>>25082221conservatives acknowledge human nature isn't going to change which is why they don't think humans can "be improved" and somehow "live in harmony" which is why they want bad actors out rather than trying to coddle them with empathy. the fact that this has to even be explained to u says u are just too far gone. go back to your echo chamber dude.
>>25082221>trump bombs a boat full of narcotraffickersnoo not like that!
>>25082234You mean a civilian fisherman?
>>25082237there's no such thing with life without bloodshed right? u can lie and call them fisherman if u want, actually just makes the point even better, thanks!
>>25082237leftists always lie.
>>25082245trump never lies
>>25082250wait, are you against violence now? u just claimed moderate democrats agree that "no such thing as life without bloodshed". you can't even keep your story straight for two posts. seek help for your tds damn lmao. they cooked your brain.
>>25082258Trump is deranged
>>25081680lmao this redditcel is confusing Blood Meridian with Star Wars. Reminds me off pic related that caused a huge schizo meltdown a while back
>>25082267Sometimes creators lack media literacy. It happens. Mentioning on the phasing that communists countries are also doing badly doesn't change the fact that the games go in depth to show the failures of capitalism.
>>25082285*wheeze*
>>25081835-oid used in the 21st century slang context originated here though, and had very clear racial/national connotations on the boards where it came from like /pol/, /int/, and /his/.This was the evolution:Negroid -> x-oid (balkanoid, Muttoid, etc) -> Leftoid/Rightoid
>>25082294Whatever they say doesn't change the actual text of the games. The fact remains that through multiple installments the games have been an acid critique of capitalism.
White Supremacy isn't real anymore, and I'm tired of pretending it is. What is real is White preservationism, wanting to have a society of your peers isn't supremacist. Wanting to not have to waste your resources on foreigners is not supremacist.
>>25082285There’s hardly any capitalism in Fallout. 99% of the people are peasant farmers trying to survive in the wastes. Yet war still persists, that’s the entire point. It’s pretty nihilistic on human nature, that humans no matter what will always group up into tribes and kill each other over shit.If you thought there was an anti capitalist message, it’s probably because later entries spend so much unnecessary time on the retrofuturistic pre war era. The earlier entries hardly touched on that shit. Even then, that setting is more of a mid 20th century military industrial complex society (the least capitalistic era in US history) than a cyberpunk capitalistic one.
>>25082305>Am I out of touch? No, it's the developers who lack media illiteracy
>>25082267>>25082285>>25082294>>25082305>Blood Meridian thread>devolves into youtube comments section-tier screengames discourseNot looking good McCarthybros...
>>25082324Shit threads deserve shitposts
>>25082285>>25082305Commies and their religious need to tie everything to capitalism is funny af. Literally impossible for them to see anything through any other lens. Don’t even know if they genuinely believe that shit or if it’s now a 100 year culture war thing where because their tribe is anti capitalist and their enemies are pro capitalist they have to find a reason everything in life leads back to capitalism.
>>25082324A thread began with a twitter screenshot (of a reply to another twitter post) deserves nothing more.
>war never changes>except this war that changed everything because le capitalism BRAVO TODD
>>25081764Allan Eckert is a very good author who covered how savage the Injuns were. Using and citing exclusvely first hand accounts by both White and Red man. Was very shocking to read how savage the Shawnees and Chippewa tribes were. Just comically brutal.
>>25082021The story is not focalized through them so no. But they don't feel as deliberately evil as the glanton gang.
>>25081896>your morality upholds bourgeois power structures By turning secular and atheist arguments on money and social hierarchy, I paint a picture of cruel apes sacrificing their own world and lives to false gods. I also take note that half of the insanity cycles because of the relation sex has with money. Sex of course used to be how humans multiplied. Most people may be genetically too attached to parasitic gods, and will always ruin their environment and culture. >by focusing on making trivial changes and undermining other, actually effective, revolutionary movements.You know jack shit about me.
>>25081680Except the Indians are just as heinous as the whites. In fact, Blood Meridian states the very difficult historical fact which no school in America wants to admit: that cohabitation with the Indians was never possible in the first place. That it was either us or them. And if we didnt savagely butcher every Indian alive they would have butchered us. It completely flies in the face of every "noble savage, at peace with nature" lie that US education has been selling whites these past 100 years.
Twitter users should be put in concentration camps and tortured with blowtorches.
>>25081872>White cishet majorityNot for long lol
>>25081875>All four of those things are eternalSkill issue
>>25082329>Literally impossible for them to see anything through any other lensYes dipshit that is precisely the point. It's the materialist view of history, thr basis of Marxist theory
It’s clear to me that McCarthy was a noticer. What follows that transaction is more than lawlessness. The Glanton gang, stripped of any noble savage veneer, become contractors. And who is their contractor? Why of course, a Jew. The American warrior, for all his blood-sworn independence, is in the service of the Jew, as that is whom they purchase their weapons from. The scalp hunter serves the merchant. The killer serves the supplier. And the merchant, in this instance, is Jewish.I also think that the Glanton gang's barbarism is an indictment of empire. Their exploits on the frontier is the American Empire in its purest form: unaccountable, voracious, and clothed in the rhetoric of destiny. But McCarthy is also mourning something that had already collapsed: the American Republic. An older, more fragile idea and yet any intellect of the era would have recognized what was being lost: a form of nationhood that, however imperfect, still held some space for the volkgiest.Now, if you read between the lines, the same can be applied to the America of today.
>>25081680Blood Meridian is explicitly not about that. Quite to the contrary, there's a scene in which one of the Glantons--a nigger--outright murders a white guy for being racist towards him and none of the other Glantons bat an eyelash. The gang isn't racist, they're far too nihilistic to actually care about something like race, every member of the Glantons, nigger white or injun or whatever else, is just a weapon, they don't care one iota for the cause of the war, just that they can profit about it, and they also don't care about the American Empire--given that this story is about the Mexicans hiring whites to solve their Apache problem that doesn't even make sense.>>25081706It's actually much simpler than that. Leftoid became a meme term for Leftists and because Left Wing people are incapable of engaging in meme culture on their own, they just changed it around to use it on their own. The last big attempt by the Left to come up with a slur for the Rightt was "Chud" and we all remember how that turned out, so they've been striking out for a decade now.You see it sometimes also with the term "Rightist," which made me do a double take the first time I saw it.Anyway you're basically all brainlets and you need to actually read the fucking book, because it tells you what it's about VERY clearly if you're not trying to read meaning into it but instead out of it.
>>25082771>they also don't care about the American Empire--given that this story is about the Mexicans hiring whites to solve their Apache problem that doesn't even make sense.You're missing the point and its staring you right in the face. If they don't care about "empire," why is it that the Mexicans request their assistance in beating back the Apaches? Clearly, they see the white, Anglo-Americans as the head of the imperial project and thus bend the knee to their political and strategic authority. They had swept the continent and pushed the Mexicans back south of the line established by the Gadsden Purchase. Hell, the Americans took Mexico City.Without the dominance of a white, Anglo-American supremacy in the west, there wouldn't have been a Glanton gang. It fueled their exploits.
>>25082329Disco Elysium was written by Estonian gommies and it does a remarkable job of really taking stock of the fundamentally broken nature of Communism. A thing I noticed is that Right Wing people tend to view Communism as a sort of racial enemy, a blood vendetta spanning generations that they see as existential threat.But when Communists write about Capitalism, they don't see it that way AT ALL. When you remove the bluster that they put on to stir up the idiots, the real theorist-types see Capitalism as a sort of eldritch horror, like an antedeluvian god that is so indifferent to their feeble attempts at harming it that they might as well not exist. They had their global revolution, the greatest ideological struggle in human history, and Capitalism no-sold it.In a very real way, modern Communism is a religion in which God is evil and his name is Capitalism--but he's still God. He IS invincible, and he cannot actually be defeated, you can just convince people otherwise for long enough to grift off of them.
>>25082792Yes, and if Voldemort had a loving family he would be happy and not evil, that's why he killed potter fathers out of jealousy. That's what harry potter was all about and you retards missed the point.
>>25081872>You can't criticize Israel without calling them Nazis or making sure everyone knows you're "Anti-Zionist, not anti-Semitic"Baffling that rightoids still say stuff like this. Yes, opposing a colonial project is not the same to opposing a people's right to exist. What is the "gotcha" supposed to be here? Let's say we were transported back in time to the 17th century. Would you say that opposing the british colonization of ireland does somehow mean that I should want to kill every single brit?
>>25082854According to Jews, it is
>>25082854The Gotcha is that you are linguistically dominated by the people you are attempting to criticize for running an Imperialistic project, and thus you are required to speak in their terminologies in a way that makes you sound retarded and insane. Calling Israelis Nazis is like calling the Democrats "the real racists," it makes no sense because that is a word they popularized as a slur, it strikes of impotence and a failure to understand the dialectic that is actually taking place.Also at any prior time in history every single person would agree that yes, absolutely eliminating the ethnic homeland (even if it is a colonial project) of a people is the same thing as opposing their right to exist.
>>25082860Obviously Pissraeli lobbyists try to make normalfags believe that opposing israel = being antisemitic by pushing for this fake equation because it serves their cause, but1) they don't really believe that's the case, it's just cynical macchiavellian propaganda2) it's not actually working, and if anything it has the opposite effect
>>25082869What? Jews don't have a monopoly on opposing nazism and fascism, that's just your /pol/ brain talking. You think hitler = white people therefore opposing hitler means you must hate white people, ergo you must be jewish. This is not something that sane people believe. And sure, zionists have used the holocaust as a weapon to guilt trip the west into supporting their cause, but that does not mean that there aren't people that don't like ethnich cleansing and death camps, no matter who who's the perpetrator and who's the victim. >Also at any prior time in history every single person would agree that yes, absolutely eliminating the ethnic homeland (even if it is a colonial project) of a people is the same thing as opposing their right to exist.First of all, jews have existed without a homeland for thousand of years just fine, so this makes no sense. Second, being anti-zionist doesn't necessarily mean that you oppose the right of Israel to exist at all, but that you denounce and oppose the supremacist logic on which it operates. Similarly to how denouncing Fascist Italy for being fascist does not mean that you oppose the existence of Italy. Last, but not least, a lot of modern jews are not genetically related to ancient israelis, while a lot of palestinians are (the zionist in chief himself is a Pole that changed his name to sound jewish). Ergo, this entire shitshow has more to do with religion that it has to do with ethnicity, genetics, or any "people".
>>25082869>>25082895Also calling Zionists Nazis is a quick and useful way to highlight the absurdity of the situation of the historical victims of a notorious genocide being the closest modern equivalent of its perpetrators in a way that every normalfag can understand. It does not mean you LITERALLY think zionist subscribe to national socialist ideology, I thought this was obvious.
>>25082895Yes actually they do. And this was confirmed when a bunch of countries they owned destroyed Nazi Germany in conjunction with the Soviet fucking Union which had just finished murdering tens of millions of people.If you go anywhere outside of the Western world where Jews run everything, you will discover rapidly that essentially nobody views Hitler or the Nazis as the ultimate evil except in the context of the Western Media which holds to this with religious fervor. Communism killed multiple times as many people as Fascism--hundreds of times as many if you consider (as you ought to) Italian Fascism to be distinct from National Socialism. Nobody outside of the West actually thinks Mussolini was evil, for example. Mussolini could have been the leader of any of a hundred different Arab or African countries and nobody would have batted an eye.It is only because the Nazis were the enemy of THE JEWS that they are considered uniquely evil compared to, say, Joseph Stalin or Mao Zedong, both of whom in objective terms caused and order of magnitude more harm. Yet it is not Stalin to whom you compare the Jews, or Mao--even though Mao's behavior in the Western provinces of China far more resembles the behavior of the Israelis. It is Hitler. It is the Nazis. Because the Jew decided that Hitler is Satan, and you still live within the framework of that religion. But there is a caveat to living within the religion of Jews, Anon, it is that if you try to call Jews Hitler, it won't work. I'm sorry to have to be the one to tell you this but look at the last couple of years, and tell me it is not the case. It is like trying to argue with Christians by calling their behaviors Satanic. By admitting that Satan exists you have de-jure accepted their premises, and there can be no true victory.Only by rejecting the myth of Hitler can you criticize the Jews. You may not understand this now but you will be made to as time goes on, and the earlier you accept it the better for you it will be.
>>25082850I never read Harry Potter and have no intention of doing so.
>>25081706I think you vastly overestimate this website's influence
Stop reading the world's most retarded opinion on X. You already have 4chan for that.
>>25082958OK fuck nazis lol
>>25081680i wish. great book btw
>>25082285>the creator of the media lacks the media literacy to understand the meaning of their own media Is Mein Kampf a communist book?
>>25082805This is true. Stripped of the Labor Theory of Value and historical materialism communism has devolved into a puritanical death cult. There is no functional difference between anarchists and non-AES socialists at this point
>>25082895Theodor Herzl was an atheist and Khazarian theory isn't real.
>>25082895If you oppose the will to power of a person or a group of people you oppose that people. Being anti-Semitic doesn't mean you want to kill all Jews. It just means you recognize that 95% of Jews are irrevocably on the other side. Being anti-Zionism means you seem to reduce Jewish power which is anti-Semitic. Being anti-White-nationalism means you seek to reduce and constraints White power which is anti-White. If you seek to reduce or constrain my power, you are my enemy, even if you are merciful and don't plan on exterminating me after I've been disempowered. I really don't care about that, because you could be lying and even not, being disempowered is objectively not in my interests
>>25082324>the wendigoon cowboy is popular with gamer babiescolor me suprised
>>25082897Zionists are National-Socialists. That's not the problem. The problem is that we're in an existential war with the Zionists
>>25083226>t.
>>25083226*you seek to reduce Jewish power
>>25083233Did you finish my post nigga??
>>25082958A lot of ideas but all confusionary. Obviously the non-western world isn't going to care as much as the western world about nazism because it doesn't concern them directly. Similarly to how, still today, there are still countless asian nations that remember the crimes of imperial japan because they were on the receiving end of it, yet anybody in the west barely cares and we all think of japan as this uwu kawai land of anime, videogames and sexual perverts.Nobody considers Mussolini particularly evil because barely anyone thinks about him in the first place as he was inept, had he had the military and industrial might to back up his big mouth he would have been given more consideration in the annals of history. The nazis are considered uniquely evil in the west because their barbarism is a product of western civilization, which at the time thought of itself as the incredibly civilized and advanced pinnacle of humanity (which to be fair it was in a sense). A product of Germany too, the home of Bach, Kant, Hegel, Beethoven, which makes the "shock" of it even more felt. Again, I don't deny that zionists have used this guilt in order to advance their dirty plan, but this is differently from saying that there isn't anything unique about Nazism. I don't compare Hitler to Stalin or Mao because it would make no sense, the core of communism doesn't have anything to do with ethnicity, it's a secular, post-liberal ideology whose reasons and failings have nothing to do with the supremacy of a certain ethnicity over all the others, ergo there isn't a direct parallel with nazism as there is between zionism and nazism. It wouldn't make sense for me to equate criticism of Israel to criticism of jews, as there are a lot of jewish intellectuals who share my exact sentiment about israel. This letter, for example, was written in 1948, just 3 years after ww2 had ended, by a bunch of jews, and denounces the fascist tendencies of Israel that we see in full display today https://www.marxists.org/history/etol/newspape/socialist-viewpoint-us/sept_02/sept_02_1.htmlIt's also pretty funny that I can only find the english text on marxists.org, shows how much Pissraeli influence is entrench in anglophone countries.As for it not working, I wouldn't be so sure, public awareness about AIPAC, the zionists, their influence and their crimes seems to be growing, both on the left and the right. Hating Israel might be the only thing the left and right can agree on, albeit obviously for very different reasons. Certainly they hold still much power and the work is far from over, but I sense an awakening in the general population that I have never felt before. Maybe this is just the product of social media algorithms trapping me in a bubble of people who already agree with me, but I remain hopeful.
>white americans serve as the literal incarnation of evil and commit crimes against humanityFucks wrong with that sounds awesome.
>>25083265Being you should basically always put yourself first (objectively true) is different from believing you are innately the best at everything (objectively false). There was a mix of both ideas in Nazi Germany, but all the main figures except Himmler would fall into the first camp
>>25083286*believing, not being
>>25083286"You should always put yourself first" is a very vague idea. It can mean anything and nothing. Does that mean that I'm justified in stealing from my neighbour as long as I can get away with it? I think if you run a mental experiment and try to apply this logic on an individual level you will quickly find out that it leads to the unravelling of civilization. That's the logic cartels operate on, and cartels are very successful (albeit often short lived) but I think you will agree with me that cartels are a blight on everything else around them.
>>25083051Internet slang for the past few years has just been repurposed 4chan memes (chad, goy, slop, mog, maxx etc)
>>25083316The state exists to disincentivize crime by raising the risk and potential consequences of crime to such a degree that it's no longer in your interests, but there is no world state, so international affairs is anarchic. Most people benefit from maintaining positive mutual relations with most other people most of the time, it's only when this breaks now that the state is required to referee and break things up. Finally, most people are not overly sadistic and in fact experience a lot of sympathy and compassion for other people and animals which means it is in "our interests" to be charitable at times, but never too much
>>25083338>The state exists to disincentivize crime by raising the risk and potential consequences of crime to such a degree that it's no longer in your interestsYes - that's why I added the "as long as I can get away with it" qualifier. There are billions of people each day that could commit a crime, and get away with it, yet choose not to, they are obviously not putting themselves first, yet this leads to greater collective gain. Moreover, what if the state, which is in its most essential form is just power, is itself corrupt? It's a cliche but who watches the watchmen? Why would a "put yourself first morality" ever produce a state that disincentivize crime instead of a state that sees crime as something to extract resources from, in the form of bribes and favours, like it happens today in South America?>Finally, most people are not overly sadistic and in fact experience a lot of sympathy and compassion for other people and animals which means it is in "our interests" to be charitable at times, but never too muchI think you underestimate the degree in which this behaviour is learned, a quick look at the history of humanity and you will find that humans have no qualms about hurting others even just for the mere thrill of it. Most of us have a dark vein hidden behind all the pretense, we have just learned to control it and hide it thanks to a society that civilized us and thought us a standard of behaviour that wouldn't exist in a state of nature. To cite current events, take a look at the Epstein shitshow. Epstein and his friends were putting themselves first, as you say. Is their behaviour commendable?
>>25083366>they are obviously not putting themselves firstThey are. While there is never a 100% chance of being caught, they calculate that the risk of being caught and punished outweighs the potential reward of getting away with it. This is why people do not commit crimes even if they could rationalize them as just. There is also the additional factor of compassion and guilt that furthers adds to the mental calculus. >who watches the watchmen? Competing factions of watchmen.>Why would a "put yourself first morality" ever produce a state that disincentivize crime instead of a state that sees crime as something to extract resources from, in the form of bribes and favours, like it happens today in South America?It wouldn't. America is just as much of a corrupt shithole as any other country, they're just less honest about it. Statesmen skim a little off the top and in engage give the people a government worth not overthrowing, if they fail natural selection decides against them and they're replaced by smarter statesmen.>humans have no qualms about hurting others even just for the mere thrill of it. Most of us have a dark vein hidden behind all the pretense, we have just learned to control it and hide it thanks to a society that civilized us and thought us a standard of behaviour that wouldn't exist in a state of natureEveryone is somewhat sadistic. No one is totally sociopathic. Historical progress isn't real. Plenty of people killed in the past and plenty of people will kill in the future. In Rome, people had slaves, but the institution didn't have the same social stigma it does today, most people didn't beat their slaves for fun, a lot of them viewed them like children and eventually gave them their freedom. A lot of famous Romans started as slaves of courseIf objective morality was real and falsifiable, we could force people to read ethical theory in prisons until they understood. In practice, ethics is a post-facto justication for things we want to do for emotional reasons.
>>25081794This is what I got from it as well, though it’s been ages since I read it. McCarthyfags being barely literate teenagers also doesn’t help the discourse surrounding the book.
>>25082980Don't fool with me nigger
>>25081680White man = evil? The book which describes natives as people who hung up dead babies in bushes as decoration? BM is not about white man = bad, it's about all man = bad
>>25083399I just came back from shopping. I know I could have stolen a couple of the items I bought and I wouldn't have been caught yet I didn't do it. I go there almost every day and I know where all the cameras are and I know all employees, so they would never suspect me. Why didn't I steal?>Competing factions of watchmen.How can there be competing faction of watchemen in a "You should put yourself first" world? The absolute power of the state is going to crush anything that could threaten it, or even inconvenience it, as it happens today in shitholes like Russia and North Korea.>America is just as much of a corrupt shithole as any other countryI'm sorry, but these are just the words of a sheltered person. If you think your country is bad, you have no idea how much worse it could get.>Everyone is somewhat sadistic.Everyone is a lot more sadistic than you might think, and this due to our warlike history and nature. After all, a killer who enjoys killing is more efficient than a killer who doesn't, with all the darwinist consequences that you might imagine. That nature is still there, we've just learned to redirect it and dissimulate it.>Historical progress isn't real. Plenty of people killed in the past and plenty of people will kill in the future. In Rome, people had slaves, but the institution didn't have the same social stigma it does today, most people didn't beat their slaves for funAnd yet, how many people do beat their slaves for fun in the west today? There clearly IS a progress. >If objective morality was real and falsifiable, we could force people to read ethical theory in prisons until they understood.This is a non-sequitur. Astrophysics is real and falsifiable, yet you couldn't make most people understand it at a phd level even if you forced them. You can't draw blood from a stone. By either birth or education, most criminals lack the neural pathways that are necessary to understand anything more complicated than me unga you bunga. There's also people who do understand that there is a morality, yet they choose to not follow it.>In practice, ethics is a post-facto justication for things we want to do for emotional reasons.Why do you reckon ethics change over time then? If ethics was just a justification of our feelings, and our feelings are product of our nature, and our nature hasn't changed much since the invention of writing, you would expect the dominant morality of any given time to be constantly the same and yet it changes greatly amongst different periods.
It's not a very good book.
>>25082035takes one to know one, froggy . ..
>>25083458Or the Whites are the wurst, just as easily put through the meat grinder with salt and spice, and then roasted (or smoked for later) over the coals of a hot fire ... and taste the same as many of our furry (or brown) friends (so I have read . ..)
>>25081680They were still objectively much better than the Mexicans or Indians. They didn't torture their enemies. >>25082200Yes, saying humans have an inherent nature and it can't be removed is the greatest crime against liberal thought possible.
>>25082221We don't want unnecessary, stupid additions to the already existent difficulties of life. >uhh why don't you want to swim across a crocodile pit everyday? Are you a pussy? Life is supposed to be hard
>>25082221KEK they really didn't like this one
>>25081680The "native Americans" in Blood Meridian commit similar atrocities.
>>25081764This, many people fail to realize this.Stealth, commando raids, it all started by copying native american ways of war. The English lined up on a field and opened fire at eachother before that.Formations, defensive positions and fortifications were used. And the most underhanded tactic widely used was mining or digging under enemy forces and planting explosives and blowing them up. But sneaking in like bandits using stealth and murdering some of the enemy and fleeing over and over was a native american thing.Setting up ambushes, picking off numbers of enemies and fleeing avoiding engaging in direct exchanges to maximize advantage.In Europe where the aristocracy played war as a game and only the common man typically died and nobles were ransomed the concept of fighting that way would have been considered absolute cowardice.The natives were more brutal even still than the white man. Doing so to eachother before the white man arrived, and continuing after. Torture was standard for captured enemies. Bringing back captives for the tribe to torture to death for revenge and amusement.Being as cruel as possible and prolonging agony keeping victims alive longer in pain. They also killed man woman and child, sometimes sparing women to trade as sex slaves, or older children as slaves, but babies and young children (considered useless eaters for too many years before slave worthy) of the enemy were usually killed. Mutilation of bodies of the enemy standard to show disrespect to enemies.Of course scalping which was often done to victims alive. They cut up and roasted eachother alive.With accounts of armless men stacked and burned in piles trying to wriggle free like worms.The native tribes used maximum cruelty as a statement in most conflicts. They are only seen as noble victims because they lost. But the American Indian war actually had the highest support from civilians of any war fought by the US precisely because natives preyed so ruthlessly on travelers and settlers and had from the beginning.They also were not one with the land. Some fished by poisoning streams, used intentional forest fires to flush out game, farmed soil till depleted and ruined, and only didn't destroy the continent because they sparsely populated it.
>>25082200He's rejecting Rousseau's state of nature here. He's anti utopian which is closer philosophically to the right than the left.
>>25084458He was also an environmentalist who seemed to like animals better than humans, which is more left than right.
>>25083994>post something retarded>a lot of people respond>Boy they sure are SEETHING!! This needs to stop
>>25084493Left wing environmentalists just hate people and use plants as an excuse for it and bullying peopleRight wing environmentalists hate people and so live in the middle of nowhere and leave everyone alone
>>25084535>Right wing environmentalistsThat's not environmentalism. That's taking individualism into misanthropy
>>25081706The internet is just an intertwined dumpster these days. That's why we see our anti semitic and racist memes on the wider web and why we use memes and terms from nigger Instagram, TikTok and Twitter, etc.
>>25084217Retard detectedStealth and Commando raids were used in european warfare for time immemorial before contact with the native americans.>the english lined up in a fieldActual historic native american warfare looked like that pre contact with huge lines of warriors fighting in organised formationsAmerican retardation knows no bounds
>A whale's brain is three times the size of a human brain, and no one knows what they do with it. You don't need a brain that size to operate the whale. You can operate a dinosaur with a brain the size of a golf ball. And no one knows what they do with it. But they do something with it, because it is a very expensive piece of equipment biologically and calorically... [Here he is asked something about what he thinks of people who believe only humans are intelligent.] They don't know what they're talking about.He also tried to revive the desert wolves in new mexico
>>25082854>a people's right to existJews are the only nation born from baby torture rituals. They closely resemble otherworldly abominations than the puny mosquito god of capitalism (which has been tamed and put to the service of humans before). The jew is precisely what you should expect from anyone stuck in a tarpit of genital mutilation torture, and has tormented their own babies for 3,000+ years, and been mutilated for that long.. All the decent people have always left the cult. Any jew left is a fanatic, schizo or a psychopath. Your worship of egalitarianism wishes to put certain elements to a folder labeled "don't look". You can cultivate human genetics to be more round, tall, aggressive, gullible, obedient etc. etc. Evil cultures like judaism will breed an evil race- and a parasitic one will have obvious consequences. As a race of warriors, soldiers, engineers and artists, our dance with this devil has taught us a lot, but it has also sickened us to the core.
>>25084870Both whales and the dinosaurs with larger brains had a well developed auditory signaling system as well as complex social hierarchy. Whales sing, and so do many birds. Birds even have grammatical rules!
>>25084845>Stealth and Commando raids were used in european warfare for time immemorial before contact with the native americans.Not at all.
>>25084972>the puny mosquito god of capitalism (which has been tamed and put to the service of humans before)Although, the mammalian brain seems to love sacrificing the entire cosmos to this mosquito god because the little brain thinks it's an avenue for power.Hah. Even songbirds and slop-AIs know better. But I guess 2001 Space Odyssey intro had to be based on something.
>>25084569No that's bullshit. Right wingers are the most effective environmentalists. Hunters who want to preserve hunting ground and game actually achieve their ends. Just because it's not your version of PETA environmentalism doesn't mean it doesn't count.
>>25081835>which in reality is an elite-funded psyopLeftism is funded by:>Blackrock>Meta>Vanguard>Amazon>Pfizer>MicrosoftRightism is funded by:>X(?)>Tesla(?) Which are both owned by a man who echos right-wing platitudes online, but actually wants to flood your borders with infinite lowskilled Indians to make up his workforce... So I wouldn't even count that.For what it's worth, I don't believe any company listed above is left-wing ideologically, I just think ((they)) know that a left-wing population are inherently more likely to consoom their products and easier to control sociologically (Pfizer literally proved this).
>>25081847Punk is gay like you
>>25085281>lowskilled Indianslike you could ever get a job at spacex lmao where did u get ur cs masters bro? selective program or local state slop?
>>25085305>projectionI have no interest in being an engineer, so I wouldn't get hired/want to be hired by SpaceX, no. But there are tens of thousands of Americans who have the qualifications and would love for the opportunity to work at SpaceX; the only reason why they're glossed over is because they would actually have to pay the American a decent wage, whereas Rajesh and his cousins, who all cohabitate together in squalid living conditions so they can maximise the money they send back to India, do not.
>>25084991Yes they were retard
>>25081706>Anyone find it funny and ironic af that the word “rightoid” has a direct linguistic link back to the racially related -oid suffix that was revived by the nationalistic and racial shitposting on this website?Not any more funny and ironic than the fact the "CONSOOOOOM" meme finds its roots in the critique of consumerism of the frenkfart school
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>>25081749Well, when I say fetch, I really mean delve into a dangerous ruin in search of an ancient stone tablet that may or may not actually be there.
>>25085281>Pfizer literally proved thisThe right booed Trump for Project Warp Speed while the left lapped it up and just memory holed the origin of it, yet the right is the cult of personality.They have no justification for this, extreme susceptibility to brainwashing is the only answer.We're really off topic though. A vacation would do me good anyway so whatever.
>>25084217idgi are we acting like Euros didn't torture people and invent torture machines for the express purpose of torturing people, or pillage and rape civilians in war, etc.
>>25085274> Hunters who want to preserve hunting ground Uh-hu. For hunting. I've heard some bitching about the wolf repopulation efforts. They're sooo pissed they can't hunt those animals the wolves catch. No, I do acknowledge there is some concern for the environment from the politically backward. Kinda comes with the territory. The anabaptists for one. And it is the liberals, be they rightwing or left who just want to cut it all down in the name "progress" and it is they who push this climate change BS so they can force carbon taxations and shut independent farms down etc. But neoliberals suck on everything.
>>25085274>that's bullshitConservatives used to be about 'conservation'. They forgot. Just want the land to exploit all to themselves. ..
>>25081844From what what's been exposed so far, the right has been far more billionaire-funded and astroturfed to the point that they have to outsource their online presence to Indians.
>>25082295>>25081706thiswe own you, leftoids. Get used to it.
>>25082221>But it's republicans the ones that are always hysterical about MUH SECURITY! Who is crying all the time about wanting to live in a so called "high trust society" because they can't tolerate a little friction?No. I don't want goddamn *grenade* attacks like Sweden has from bringing in African niggers. My own homegrown American niggers are already making cities look like they went through a can opener. BLM bullshit. So fuck you, and your "little friction".
>>25082674American indians were already at brutal warfare with each other, long before the white man arrived.
>>25082314This is bullshit we made up for the woke faggots to fuck off with. Whites are just better and always have been. It's 4 chan, we can say the quiet part out loud here.
>>25083322Half of those are old PSL memes
>>25087397Right. And it is the most basic mammalian instinct for every group to see their group predominate. Let's just be honest. The question is really just the details. Just because of this, doesn't mean total outgroup genocide or anything. We can be civilized about it.
>>25082674>>25087342Whites were the worse party, they were the aggressors and invaders. They also had absolutely no interest in cohabiting with the Indians, instead viewing them as pests who were in the way - needing to be exterminated or driven out.
>>25082221FATALITY. They literally have no counter argument about this. And keep in mind these are the same people who want to ban pitbulls because a tiny little fraction of kids will get mauled, but they then want you to think of them as these badasses who face the "real world".
>>25089499It's so dumb and wrong it's not even in missile range.First of all, Republicans! = chuds. You are conflating the twoSecond of all the idea of engineering violence or human nature out of the population is absolutely a left wing idea. ie New Soviet Man
>>25081680The Judge was the American Spirit and Glanton was the Spirit of the Frontier. The two met up and danced together, but in the end only the Judge remained. Then the Judge killed the Kid (who is the placeholder for the reader) so that there were no witnesses left to what happened. How many people today know what life was like at the frontier? Not that many. Because if there are no witnesses, it did not happen.
