No it’s not difficultNo it’s not a memeNo it’s not pretentiousIt’s FUN.It’s probably the most through and through entertaining work of fiction there is. How many years will have to pass before this book can be discussed normally?
No discernible talent
>the book famous for warning about the addictive dangers of entertainment is peak entertainment
>>25082003Agree. One of the most entertaining books I've read.
>>25082015bloom's just mad dfw called his prose turgid and he never recovered
The joke (infinite jest) is all of your time that Wallace wasted while you read his book. Bravo
>>25082003>No it’s not difficult>No it’s not a meme>No it’s not pretentious>It’s FUN.>It’s probably the most through and through entertaining work of fiction there is.The people saying stuff like this are the same ones calling you filtered or a plotfag for calling it boring btw
>chapter 2>DEDE WEED LMAOweedheads have never produced anything of value and this book isnt an exception.
>>25082196PYNCHIE GET DOWN
>>25082003Half of it is fun. I'm not going to pretend it wasn't a bumpy ride throughout.
Everything over 400 pages, unless it's good genre slop, is pretentious.
>>25082003It is funny but the difficulty is mostly due to the test of endurance of reading 1000 pages. It is not a very hard book in terms of the content on the page
>>25082196bros never heard of music before
>re-read a supposedly fun thing>thought it was good before>realize DFW was just a brat making fun of every one because he had no ability to fit in with normies and dance and drink Grim
>>25082297fat and balding
>>25082394Shipped out is great and he's correct about the soulless normies
>>25082394He pretty much says as much. It’s quite poignant to read it in light of his suicide, guy just couldn’t be normal. I still think it’s hilarious though.
>>25082464>>25082578Another thing I noticed is how clunky of a writer he is. There is a real lack of rhythm to his voice, I think exaggerated by his commitment to squeeze as many SAT words in there as he can. That all said, the scene of him losing that game, and getting punched in the eye was hilarious
>>25082708I don't catch that at all desu. I enjoy his "rhythm" a lot
>>25082003NOLE MEME TRILOGY IS NO FUN IT IS NO GOOD IT IS ONLY FOR SERIOS POSTER TO WHINGE ABOUTDO NOT LE RECOMMEND LE MEME TRILOGY FOR LE FUN READING PASTIMEDO NOT READ FOR JOY
>>25083381He said that he thought his work does not read aloud well
>>25082708>>25083882He does say that, but when you listen to him reading excerpts it flows quite well actually. I genuinely enjoy his prose though it’s a bit unconventional. I enjoy it a whole lot more than say McCarthy. Obviously he’s no Pynchon or Joyce, but he isn’t trying to be either. He’s got his own way of writing and it works quite well (at least for me).
>>25083938I think the comparisons you're drawing aren't the most fitting. Delillo is more apt than all you listed, and I find his sentences roll a lot more naturally. Wallace's are too heady, especially given the regular-guy-ness nature of the essays. Supposedly fun works marginally better because he's putting forth an image of him as an outsider. Granted, I have not read IJ, but plan to this year. Generally, I like Wallace. He doesn't feel like a writer to me in a traditional sense, but he's good for a few bits. Some of his essays (thinking specifically of the Linguistics botchery) are downright bad, but most are good.
>>25084047I picked them due to being more prose heavy just to point out that DFW’s style is very different. You’re right in your DeLillo comparison. The fun part of IJ is in part how the narration (and prose) switches depending on which characters are in focus.
>>25084209>proseI think you're coming from a good place, anon, and I appreciate that, but you seem very green. I would ask you to dedicate a bit of time to looking into what prose means
>>25084047>Some of his essays (thinking specifically of the Linguistics botchery) are downright badAuthority and American Usage? What did you think was bad about it?
>>25083938If you enjoy dfw's prose more than Mccarthy's then you got no sense of rhythm at all
>>25082196But the thesis of the book is very much anti weed? If I had one criticism of the novel, it's that AA is painted in this nearly infallible light ultimately, and there's no counter-balancing force. It's just very clear the author's preferred POV on the subject.
>>25082708>There is a real lack of rhythm to his voiceDisagree. His style and cadence are primarily why I like him.
>>25084868>wardine be cry
>>25084809His understanding of linguistics is really all over the place. Look at what linguistic scholars have to say about the essay. There is no shortage of opinions out there, but essentially, he breaks down the entire field into descriptivists and prescriptivists, which is wildly inaccurate >>25084868You can disagree, I don't really care. If you read his writing aloud to someone, it comes across as whiny and try-hard
>>25086259>If you read his writing aloud to someoneIt's almost as if the medium matters. If you try to bake soup it would also turn out poor.
>>25082331Careful, I said this in a previous thread and woke up some sperg who then ruined the thread telling everyone to go back to v.
>>25086324>the mental gymnastics DFW fans go through when someone says his style lacks rhythm (something he himself admitted)
>>25084864The thesis of the book is anti weed
>>25086406dropped. weed is mid as shit but that's a dumb these for a 1000 page book.
>>25086340You're still here, /v/tard
>>25086406It's not though.
>>25086259>His understanding of linguistics is really all over the place.He was a writer, not a linguist, so that is to be expected. Linguists are not practical about language, they are more interested in language itself and don't really care about communicating with anyone but other linguists.
>>25082003nice opinion retard
>>25082708his flow is amazing, kill yourself
>>25082003There’s a character named Apple. Quirky millennial core
>>25087565It's too turgid
>>25087714i already love that character and want to know more about it, thats why youll never write something of note
>>25087715your turgid
KEITH JARRET WAS A NEGRO PERFORMERHE WAS AN ALRIGHT NEGRO
>>25087286>He was a writer, not a linguistRight, and yet he writes an essay as though he was an authority on the topic, and then gets most of it egregiously wrong so it can fit a narrative that doesn't exist >>25087565Lmao that this is the hill you die on. A writer, not known for his rhythm, who himself admitted it is not his strong suit, must have good rhythm because you like his work. There are things to like about DFW. He has a keen eye for symbolic detail, he has a wit when it comes to describing characters, he is able to weave philosophical themes throughout accessible writing, but crafting a sentence that flows is not one of his talents. Why do DFW bros have to pretend he's some genius, when he's really just a pretty good writer from his time? I would bet my bottom dollar that most of his fans have read next to none of his contemporaries or influences, if not none at all
>>25082003the most difficult part is having to constantly flip back and forth from the main text to the endnotes.also a few parts are the most annoying sections i've ever read in a book, like the 20 or so pages describing how the Eschaton game works. but at least that was balanced with quite funny endnotes by Pemulisotherwise, it really is fun and hilarious at times. at the very least, it is a completely unique book
Fun but only like 200 pages worth of fun. The cockroach trapping chapter was the highlight of the book for me.
>>25082003I will read it this year but I have such a backlog of crap. I did read some of his essays and they are honestly fun. In some way even with how fun he is, I can understand why a person like that killed himself. I'm a polymath and sometimes it feels so weird that I have so much to share, yet it's socially more acceptable to dump it into a notebook or electronic notes. I have a blast talking with different people, yet it still feels like it's me and not some scheme to be liked by people. This guy obviously felt his mind was too big for his ideas and had to be so detailed about everything he wrote. I might an hero at some point because it feels if I settle with a girl it will only be a part of me that is with her, don't know how this guy went about personal relationships.
>>25082331>the test of endurance of reading 1000 pagesI don't know where to even start with how retarded this statement is. Who is forcing you to finish in a definite amount of time? The point of reading is READING, not closing books because you "finished them". Your species of "reader" disgusts me. 100 pages is as much endurance as you need for 10000 pages, just read at your unique peace and don't whine like a retard.
>>25088070If you’ve read 400 pages of a 1000 page book, chances are you’ll want to finish that before starting a new one. This can be bothersome if another work catches your attention.
>>25086695Gonna spam the thread again?
>>25088070>The point of reading is READING,eww
>>25088109Projection much, /v/irgin?
>>25087722why do so many retards think keith jarrett is black, just because he's really good at jazz?
>>25088064i remember turning 21 as well, anon
>>25082003David is an angsty pseud.Basically a stereotype. He killed himself because he perceived that he pretty much spent his entire life whining about how smart he is, and he realized he was just a cunt.
>>25088142HE PLAYED GOOD, FOR A NEGROHIS MUSIC MADE ME HAPPY
>>25088142I'm 25, but I might as well be 21 because I'm not out of college yet... My main reason to feel like I will kill myself at some point is that my feelings are just too unstable given the fact that pretty much nothing happens in my life, and this is considering I am taking meds. I don't have what it takes for anything, I might get deep into different things, I have good job prospects, but it will amount to nothing because there isn't a man in me to take it
>>25082003Anything similar? Like burgerpunk set in the 1980...2000s with weird stuff.
>>25087901>Right, and yet he writes an essay as though he was an authority on the topic, and then gets most of it egregiously wrong so it can fit a narrative that doesn't existDid you stop reading after the 7 words you quoted or just fail to get the obvious implications of the rest?
>>25088763It was a very conscious choice to ignore the rest of your response, but if you want to present an argument that negates the work of every linguist, by all means!
>>25088109He's upset that people like us obliterate dark souls so we don't find ij difficult. they comprehend the skills we get from vidya carry over to literature
>>25088789>it was a conscious choice to be a retardWhy would I present an argument that negates the work of any linguist? That would serve absolutely no purpose to my point.
anything but discuss IJ, right?faggots
>>25089035Okay fine.One question I had, how did Hal know that John Wayne was smashing his mom?
>>25089028>Linguists are not practical about language, they are more interested in language itself and don't really care about communicating with anyone but other linguists.Go ahead, anon! Substantiate this claim
>25088916>DUDE I'M BETTER AT TOY SOLDIERS THAN YOU ARE
>>25089112i think there's some truth to that, but he says it like its a bad thing. linguistics shouldn't be the same thing as sociology. it's like malding over how biochemists don't study the exact same shit as pharmacists.
>>25087286>Linguists are not practical about language, they are more interested in language itself and don't really care about communicating with anyone but other linguists.They are more interested in communicating with known jewish pedophiles and diddling kids, I would say.
>>25089133i appreciate the noam shade but to be fair, steven pinker never liked epstein
>>25082003The unfortunate truth is that DFW pontificates too much to be "fun." A better writer fits much more content into the space his ramblings occupy
>>25089224But I like pontification and digressions and then pontification about digressions
>>25089224>I watched an interview and completely missed the point!
>>25089077Been a while but didn’t he see him exit her office/semi-walk in on their weird roleplay shit?
>>25086414>mid as shitYou especially could use some of the devil’s lettuce. Then maybe you wouldn’t use such retarded language.
>>25089430>the pointFun
gamers rise up!
>>25089625That was Pemulis and he never told Hal about it
>>25089077>One question I had, how did Hal know that John Wayne was smashing his mom?a priori but more realistically because >>25089625Pemulis witnessed it. We get a moment where an expelled Pemulis (maybe) wants to tell Hal but doesn't in the scene, but then Hal seems to know it later on anyway. So it's either become common knowledge or was already common knowledge or the person who has the not-so-common knowledge is of no consequence (a now expelled Boston street trash of a low class). There would be nothing stopping Pemulis from telling anyone he wanted to, though, immediately after realizing that knowing that didn't stop his expulsion, so it's probably safe to say that he did that on some level.
Also, you have to know that Avril knows that the school's about to be inundated by murderous wheelchaired terrorists. She can absolutely fuck a co-conspirator terrorist without consequence, because any twerpy ETA who hears the rumor is just going to get slaughtered anyway - and she knows this.
>>25088916I don't play video games and I've read 15 books so far in 2026. How many books have you read? 0? Just IJ? there are better (and harder) books out there, thread spammer.
>>25088916bait, do not entry
