This is just romantasy for guys...
That would imply it's slop. Conan is kino
>>25086815It's the same as women's romantasy slop except it's from the perspective of the chad thundercock traveling the planet and reaping the benefits of hypergamy
>>25086826So how are they similar? I wouldn't compare Howard to any modern slop
>>25086831It's just sexual fetish crap in a pseudo-medieval/ancient setting with magic
>>25086826Not really. Woman fantasy is about a woman being taken off her feet by chad thundercock and rapedbutnotreallyrapebecausethewomanlikedit and living happily ever after. Men fantasy is about a man fighting and struggling against the world to become chadthundercock, earning his rightful place and reaping the benefits of his works.One is about receiving things with no effort, the other is obtaining thing for all the effort.
>>25086800Except at no point in time did Conan account for 90% of bookstore shelfspace.
>>25086800Keep me posted...
The damage frank frazetta's art has done to public perception of Conan is immeasurable.
>>25086849anon i need you to reread what you wrote. "man fights & struggles against the world to become chadthundercock, earning his rightful place." conan was born 6'2 with the proportions of a frazetta painting, killed his first man at fourteen & became king by being the largest person in every room he entered. struggling & earning is your interpolation — howard didn't write a bildungsroman, he wrote a man who was already finished arriving somewhere new each issue to collect a throne or a woman. read queen of the black coast. belit sees conan on a ship & immediately wants to fuck him. valeria in red nails -- same thing. warrior women who exist to desire him on sight. that's the romance novel structure you just called slop except nobody calls it a bodice-ripper when the cover has a sword. the female fantasy is "chad appears & wants me." the male fantasy is "i AM chad & everyone can tell." same fantasy. one just has more swords & the other has more corsets, which is honestly an aesthetic choice not a moral one.
>>25086849>Men fantasy is about a man fighting and struggling against the world to become chadthundercockExcept it's not. He's basically superman, never loses and defeats everyone with ease and girls just get wet and throw themselves at him.>>25086858Except that's exactly how the stories read
>>25086853Nobody shops for books in bookstores anymore
>>25086884Damn...
>>25086870>>25086877Cope and seethe. It's the truth and no long winded essays will change that.
>>25086858Nah, Frazetta's dynamic naturalism perfectly captures the gritty yet poetic style of Howard's writing.You're literally too autistic to understand the artistic intent of depicting Conan as a virile animal of a man to understand him as a concept, and that him specifically wearing a plackart doesn't matter.
No it isn't, wtf.There isn't really actual romance in the overwhelming majority of the stories.In fact none of the stories are about romance.
>>25086858I don't know what normalfags see in his art, it's so bland.
I liked the Conan stories a lot but when I read an omnibus of them for the first time I seriously got the sense that Robert Howard wanted Conan to shred his bussy
>>25086800It's no great american novel, but there isn't much romance going on in any of the stories.Maybe it would be more interesting if Conan were less like gigachad and more like Egill Skallagrimsson.
>>25086800There's no real romance in Conan. Only flings, and they're portrayed as such.
>>25086800>genre fiction is genre fictionBravo Johnston
>>25086800yes, REH was an unabashed romantic. who gives a shit?
>>25086870You are a communist.
Sorry op, Conan is too manly for you.
>>25087220No it doesn't, FrazettafagFrazetta was a wop who drew bbc art by the way you faggot
>>25087251>>25087269Hence "for guys"
>>25086826>>25086800Fucking women is not the goal in Conan, and fucking (“romancing”) men (or A man) is the goal in romantasy. You’re confusing a byproduct for the goal. You might as well say that the various trinkets the heroes collect are the goal, since the women conquests are about as relevant to the story as finding a coin hoard. Actually usually less so, magical items and swords are more important to the story.
>>25086800Fucking peak slop, if you ask me.>>25086895Kek gottem.Back in the days slop was read by 80iq gigachads, not subhumans who needed an effeminate twink as the protagonist to relate to.
>>25087220Frazetta's conan is a muscular brute who always gets the women in the end because he's a muscular brute. It has none of the quiet intellect or philosophic depth that is the true beating heart of conan. Not to say that there's isn't any examples of women flinging themselves at conan because he's dangerous and alluring, but those are sideshows to the main point of the stories.
>>25087467>Fucking women is not the goal in ConanFrost Giant's Daughter is literally about Conan chasing a Norse spirit around so he can rape her
>>25087220Anyone who doesn't like Frazetta is, quite simply, a homosexual.
>>25086870>6'2>killed first man at 14>became king by being bigThis would literally be me if had God blessed me to live outside of modernity, and back in the antiquity of Hyperborea.
>>25086800I don't know whether this is a bait thread, but I unironically agree. I am tired of this shit stuff that adult males in their 30s/40s elevate to the pinnacle simply because it gives them pleasant childhood memories. No, Conan, Akira, FF, Berserk and whatever else are not "cinema". It's teenager entertainment. It's great to feel good going through it again, but it's no different than arabs watching dragon ball z. Just stop.
>>25086884he said, as the best selling books took up all the shelves in the bookstores.
>>25086800Pulp is high lit kino. Everyone knows that.
>>25086855This. I get what OP is saying that they are both power fantasies but from the male and female perspective. But one is good so its not a fair comparison
>>25086858>damageYou're just an artlet
>>25086800Bêlit shuddered. "Life, bad as it is, is better than such a destiny. What do you believe, Conan?"He shrugged his shoulders. "I have known many gods. He who denies them is as blind as he who trusts them too deeply. I seek not beyond death. It may be the blackness averred by the Nemedian skeptics, or Crom's realm of ice and cloud, or the snowy plains and vaulted halls of the Nordheimer's Valhalla. I know not, nor do I care. Let me live deep while I live; let me know the rich juices of red meat and stinging wine on my palate, the hot embrace of white arms, the mad exultation of battle when the blue blades flame and crimson, and I am content. Let teachers and priests and philosophers brood over questions of reality and illusion. I know this: if life is illusion, then I am no less an illusion, and being thus, the illusion is real to me. I live, I burn with life, I love, I slay, and am content."I dare you to show me romantasy slop on this level of philosophical depth.
>>25087798>t. I'm 14 and this is deep
>>25087807Bullshit and you know it. It might not be the most prestigious philosophy, but it sure is a far cry from romantasy slop where the biggest moral dilemma is whether to take the bull's or the dog's cock.
>>25087798isn't bad for some bumpkin from Texas tbqhwymmaithto4ch.org
>>25086800That would be Gor
>>25087345>primordial>not primodrialgay
>>25087933Now I'm intrigued
>>25087487To be fair the Nordic spirit is clearly some sort of siren alluring him by supernatural means, hence why she targeted him after he was wounded on the head, basically she was asking for it unironically
>>25086800With the rise of Romantasy I thought it would be funny if you could somehow rebrand Howard’s stories to target them towards this female demographic. Like change the covers to the cutesy pastel slop you see and put it in the romance section. Unfortunately from what I’ve heard most Romantasy readers exclusively read things written in the first person and they’d probably turned off by the racism and the fact that outside of a few whippings and nudity there is no actual sex occurring in any of the stories. Honestly funny that something like Conan manages to be less graphic than the stuff you see in public libraries now
>>25088045Well he was written by a virgin who killed himself before ever having sex so...
>>25087798>Conan pretends to be anti-intellectual while talking like a third-rate poetkek
>>25088014haven't read it yet but the most interesting thing I heard about it how the author is 94 years old and the most recent book is from 2024
>>25087798Manchildren are embarrassing.
>>25086815"Kino" is a word used exclusively by slop-gobblers.
>>25086858Apparently Howard's readers appreciate the homo-eroticism.
>>25087220>poetic stylePost examples for keks.
>>25087510>Anyone who doesn't like pictures of pumped-up half-naked men is, quite simply, a homosexual.
>>25086826>it's exactly alike, but nothing alike
>>25087933Looks like a soiboi got triggered.
>>25088405Go back
>>25086870Was he 6'2? I thought he was average hight just jacked thews
>>25088423What if you didn't eat breakfast this morning? Or are you not able to compare two things that aren't exactly the same?
>>25088510He towers over most people, only a few characters are described as being eye-level with him like that one pirate captain in The Pool of the Black One, Howard claimed in a letter that he was 6’ and 180lbs as a 15 year old but adds that he wasn’t done growing yet
>>25086844So you're admitting you've never read the original Conan stories.
>>25088719I think the description im thinking of didn't come from Howard
>>25087798Queen on the Black Coast might be his best story. It's just so perfect, and resembles everything great about what Conan believes in. Bêlit's reply is great also.>“But the gods are real,” she said, pursuing her own line of thought. “And above all are the gods of the Shemites – Ishtar and Ashtoreth and Derketo and Adonis. Bel, too, is Shemitish, for he was born in ancient Shumir, long, long ago, and went forth laughing, with curled beard and impish wise eyes, to steal the gems of the kings of old times.>“There is life beyond death, I know, and I know this, too, Conan of Cimmeria” – she rose lithely to her knees and caught him in a pantherish embrace – “my love is stronger than any death! I have lain in your arms, panting with the violence of our love; you have held and crushed and conquered me, drawing my soul to your lips with the fierceness of your bruising kisses. My heart is welded to your heart, my soul is part of your soul! Were I still in death and you fighting for life, I would come back from the abyss to aid you – aye, whether my spirit floated with the purple sails on the crystal sea of paradise, or writhed in the molten flames of hell! I am yours, and all the gods and all their eternities shall not sever us!”
>>25088410>homo-erotocismYou are supposed to see the jacked men and think "hell yes, I need to go to the gym"You might be telling on yourself, anon
>>25088418And pictures of naked women with fine asses.
>>25088418See>>25088990
>>25087798The amount of seething replies from low-T nu-males over the most sound philosophy from a fictional character is astounding.
>>25087798Yep its kinob
>>25087814It's also just good advice in general>Don't worry about metaphysics, religions, life's meaning and afterlife. Just live for today and enjoy the life you're given and the freedom you have.
>>25087798>I coom and shit and don't care about dem bookswas conan the first example of the "based retard" archetype?
>>25089008No he out wits too many foes to truly be a based retard archetype
>>25089008Even the quote you have memed down shows philosophical leanings beyond the Arny archetype everyone who hasn't read the Howard stories associates with conan
>male fantasymurder everybody but me. Do it in as masculine way possible for cool points.>female fantasythaddest of thaddest 7 foot gigabrad deserves to live to have werehog horse cock sexoo with me, everybody else can go dieWhy are we even in this brutalass hell world? Why do we have to wake up every day knowing this shitting bricks but muh next world is heaven jesus said so. Like nigga why couldn't I have just gone there to begin with. Why'd we get spawned in here? Is this just some gears of war simulation for the demiurge to giggle at and play?
>>25089050Conan is legit good just divorce yourself from your modern lens and enjoy it for what it is if possible
>>25087463If for guys just means "no romance" why call it "romantasy"?
>>25089050I wouldn't call conan a murder everybody, but he does live in a pretty brutal world.
>>25089050>Why are we even in this brutalass hell world?Because back during the dawn of humanity all the pacific tribes got wiped out the by the warlike tribes
>>25089081I find it interesting how many people who never read Conan think it's somehow bad by default. In fact, after you read GOOD pulps like Conan you'll realize exactly just how hopelessly bloated fantasy novels in general are.
