>write a book that you claim is about the dangers of charismatic, dictatorial leadership>one problem though >your protagonist’s enemies are all evil psychopath pedophile rapists and evil Illuminati incest pedophiles.???? Was Frank retarded?
>>25086907No, but you are.
>>25086907One of the reasons Lynch's movie is considered a poor adaptation is because it makes the Atreides unambiguous good guys instead of the grey morality of the book (and Villeneuve movies).
>>25086959If you ignore Paul’s qt3.14 fremen gf nagging and naysaying about the prophecy in the Villeneuve adaptation, House Atreides are still the good guys in just about every way. The imperium has it coming and if spice disruption causes mass death then the galactic population was propped up in an unjust and unnatural manner.
>>25086907>the dangers of charismatic, dictatorial leadershipDangers like "ride the wave or get out of the way" not like "attempt to stifle at all costs" You can't stifle it anyway, the forces at play are bigger than that. See when it's happening and find a way to adapt to the changes that are coming. That's the kind of warning it is.
>>25087087>Dangers like "ride the wave or get out of the way" not like "attempt to stifle at all costs">You can't stifle it anyway, the forces at play are bigger than that. See when it's happening and find a way to adapt to the changes that are coming. That's the kind of warning it is.It certainly does give a bit of credence to the idea of the Great Man Theory, although I still personally think it's bullshit.
>>25086959I mean Paul felt bad about the coming Jihad but what's he gonna do, kill himself and let his mother and sister fade into obscurity as Fremen fuckpuppets?
>>25086907Isn't it clear from the narration (or the source that is the text itself with all the bits of citations) that we deal with an unreliable narrator or victor of history telling the "facts"? The Emperor acts as much in self interest as does House Artreidis. Might as well read a book about Trump's presidencies by an ultra-leftist author.
>>25087568>unreliable narratorNotto thissu shittu again
>>25087582Mua'Dib is not the Quitzakh Haderakh and never will be. Nothing but Fremen lies and Benejezzered propaganda!
>>25086959House Atreides are the good guys in the book as well. The only people that think otherwise are self-hating progressive fags.Paul's choice was the complete death of his people or unrestricted war and he made the correct choice.
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>>25087240I don't think it is much about great man theory. I mean, certainly Paul is uniquely positioned to take advantage of several thousand years of setup, but I think it's very much the books position that if it were not him it would have been Feyd. The plan all along was for him to swoop in and represent an end to the centuries of manufactured oppression. The Baron had also just pieced together what the Duke had been planning and Hawat was ready to deliver a ten-year plan for converting their rage into rage at the emperor. The universe as a whole was canonically aching to end its millenia of genetic stagnation through gigantic conflict and Paul had a choice whether he was the one to helm it or someone else. >>25087621I think the above point speaks to your position as well. Paul's choice wasn't between personal revenge at the imperium's expense and everything being ok, it was between taking responsibility (and revenge) and abdicating, only delaying the inevitable collapse a few decades and letting MUCH worse people helm it.
I just saw this movie for this first time a week or two agoOther than some cheesy fight scenes and special effects, it wasn't half-bad at all
I agree. In my opinion, Dune does not sell Paul as a charismatic dictator and neither does it set the danger of the great jihad ahead. Maybe it made sense in Frank's head but the reader is only recently born into that world and doesn't yet understand all the mythos that might have been clear to Frank. We saw the danger Paul was in, the corruption of the Emperor and the Harkonen. Paul magically understanding that he must also do a great evil to win doesn't make it that clear to us. Dune is relatively short, I think he could have spend a few thousand words on the tragedies brought on by Paul's leadership in Arakis so the reader can begin to see what it was all about.
>>25086907Yeah the Harkonnens, especially the Baron, are almost cartoonishly evil, it's hard NOT to look heroic when they're your protagonist's enemies. Also the Emperor is overtly treacherous towards Leto from the start.
>>25089024>only delaying the inevitable collapse a few decades and letting MUCH worse people helm itThis isn't what happened though and Paul's foresight was never completely accurate. The only thing that was certain is that his entire family and the freemen would be wiped out on Arrakis if he didn't make the choices he did.
>>25089793I don't think there was any real possibility of the Fremen being wiped out. The sardaukar had been openly attempting that since the fall of the dukedom, and it wasn't effective at all. On top of that the Harkonnens were explicitly planning to recruit them as a fighting force through various manipulations. Hawat at least was pretty sure it would work. Now admittedly we get very little insight into what Paul knows about alternate futures, it is very possible he doesn't know, but as a mentat it's at least reasonable for him to reach the same conclusion. But he does feel the human-universe clamoring for cataclysmic violence, which is the "terrible purpose" he keeps alluding to. I'm of the opinion that he thought he initially leaned in thinking he could avert the jihad entirely, but eventually realized it was inevitable (like from the beginning) and decided to lean in with the hope he could at least curtail it.
God Emperor of Dune clears unfortunately
