Fuck this philistine hypocrite chud sophist Greek fuck. Fuck him! FUCK YOU PLATO!
>>25089706Plato was right, but the jews propagandise you into believing otherwise
>>25089720Plato was spiritually Jewish.
>>25089706Crucial figure, but nominalism is obviously the correct stance in the wake of every concept becoming mutable through scientific progress.
>>25089706He was just a gay reek being himself. Bloody bastard knew of nothing else.
>>25089722Standard hasbara Shlomo
His argument against Homer and the poets at the end of Republic fucking sent me. Poets are bad because they posses no practical knowledge of the subjects they discuss and can thus only offer shallow representations of strategy, statecraft, lawmaking and proof of this is that they live as poets instead of generals and rulers which would be way more profitable if they could do those things. WHAT HAVE YOU BEEN DOING THE WHOLE BOOK YOU INSUFFERABLE FUCK????? Which states have YOU been asked to rule over with your interminable genius ideas about lawmaking and administration Plato??? >Oh, I don't want to rule because the philosopher will not make any attempt to change such an imperfect society! Shut the fuck up you coping retard.>Oh I posses le TRUE KNOWLEDGE of everything because I can give a half-assed definition of concepts when asked about them!Ok dude, sure.
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>>25089744If this isn’t bait, you should know Plato had different opinions on some issues he used irl for example when in Syracuse which are now lost to history. Generally, you don’t have to just take everything Socrates says at face value. Theu are literary exercises after all and not dogma.
>>25089744Plato for instance, very likely didn’t literally want all of Homer and Hesiod burned and destroyed and poets banned from entering a state. That’s just something for the dialogue. Generally, Plato wasn’t a man of extremes but more “sometimes it is this way but poetry could be useful in other areas as well.”
>>25089706> How the "true world" finally became a fable. The history of an error:> 1. The true world--attainable for the sage, the pious, the virtuous man; he lives in it, he is it.> (The oldest form of the idea, relatively sensible, simple, and persuasive. A circumlocution for the sentence, "I, Plato, am the truth.")> 2. The true world--unattainable for now, but promised for the sage, the pious, the virtuous man ("for the sinner who repents").> (Progress of the idea: it becomes more subtle, insidious, incomprehensible--it becomes female, it becomes Christian. )> 3. The true world--unattainable, indemonstrable, unpromisable; but the very thought of it--a consolation, an obligation, an imperative.> (At bottom, the old sun, but seen through mist and skepticism. The idea has become elusive, pale, Nordic, Königsbergian.)> 4. The true world--unattainable? At any rate, unattained. And being unattained, also unknown. Consequently, not consoling, redeeming, or obligating: how could something unknown obligate us?> (Gray morning. The first yawn of reason. The cockcrow of positivism.)> 5. The "true" world--an idea which is no longer good for anything, not even obligating--an idea which has become useless and superfluous--consequently, a refuted idea: let us abolish it!> (Bright day; breakfast; return of bon sens and cheerfulness; Plato's embarrassed blush; pandemonium of all free spirits.)> 6. The true world--we have abolished. What world has remained? The apparent one perhaps? But no! With the true world we have also abolished the apparent one.> (Noon; moment of the briefest shadow; end of the longest error; high point of humanity; INCIPIT ZARATHUSTRA.)So he admires Plato the man (as a straightforward former soldier) but Platonism devolves under Christendom and Kant. On Truth and Lies tracks how the eventual distrust of Platonic positivism led to its disguise in the modern sciences if you're interested
>>25089744That sounds like you got filtered and didn't notice how close philosophy and poetry are.>criticisms of imitation>in a work of imitation, using images for certain points (the sun image, divided line, cave image, myth of Er)He even writes that the soul might not be adequately grasped at the very end.>Well then, that soul is immortal both the recent argument and the others WOULD compel us to accept. BUT it must be seen such as it is IN TRUTH, not maimed by community with body and other evils, AS WE NOW SEE IT. But what it is like when it has become pure must be examined sufficiently by calculation.
>>25089706I just want to say that I don't think I have met a more retarded specimen of men than the self-described "apollonians" which you can sometimes see slithering throughout this place and X. Who needs jews when men like Mark Brahmin do a much better job of turning the minds of impressionable and insecure white men into paste?
>>25089744I know that you are an amateur in this field, but I think you should know that Plato's academy evolved into a skeptic school.
>>25089900I don't think Nietzsche has any idea what even he means by "true world". Nietzscheans themselves get really dogmatic about "this" being "the only true world". But I cannot expect much from a man who clearly understood so little of the philosophers he croticized, most notably the stoics.
>>25089726nothing's obvious, retard
>>25089706People need to leave Plato in his cave. An over-hyped playwright who corrupts our view of antiquity and leaves us with deeply broken metaphysics and political ideas. He represents the death of Western Philosophy, we cannot resuscitate it while Plato continues to enjoy a good reputation. Congrats on breaking the programming, OP.
>>25090166He wouldn't even like "the only true world" as "only" is diminutive and "true" dichotomous, ironically his "this" I read as broad enough to encompass parts of metaphysics
