Chat is this true, or is it just a case of the French ruining otherwise good European legends?
>>25090070A majority of men are unabashed turbo-simps, so it really doesn't seem that inaccurate of a statement.
It would be true, if modern women were worthy of it. But their lack of virtue makes it impossible.
>>25090070It's true, read Petrach and Rennaisance poetry retard. To love someone is essentially an act of voluntary enslavement.
Macho culture is contra natura. Any real man knows its duties to women, which is why people who are rude to women on purpose come off as extremely retarded or Indian
>>25090073Thats because most men only reach the mental level of good-boy morality. Most of the world is designed to prevent men from reaching high status that outgrows simping.
>>25090070Faggy
Acting as though myth/poetry is evidence for anything at all is a sin against rationality, the principle of enlightenment, which i may or may not adhere to depending on the circumstances (casuistry).But even if we suppose this perennialist framework as true, to claim all civilizations advocated for simping in their mythopoetry is ludicrous.
>>25090070I got blocked by her for my reply.
>>25090086What do you mean by "macho culture"?
What about that time in the Oresteia where Apollon himself says that women do not share a relation to their children and that children are entirely their father's? Is Apollon just a bad guy for being too rational or whatever, even if Athena rules in his favor? Also, is Athena masculine?
>>25090070Uhhhh didn't Mars rape Rhea Silvia?
>>25090082>>25090086Read Esther Villar. Niggers.
ESL twatter post
>>25090148Yes, but then Venus fixed him or something.
>>25090073Nah, that's just from years of social conditioning + only masculine traits ever being punished. If the law ever stopped being enforced pretty much overnight there would be no simps, as there would be no one to gatekeep pussy.
>>25090148Even funnier is that when Ovid or Virgil or whoever is using the word "raptus", they're literally referring to women as property (which they were).
>>25090149>literal whoenlighten me anon
Why can't people accept this simple truth: that erotic love is just a craving; sordid and animalistic?
>>25090192A feminist who wrote a whole ass book debunking this myth, namely the eternal feminine and men's inherent desire to kneel before it. This irksome quasi-metaphysical idea that permeates a lot of the relationship between the sexes in culture, particularly poetry.Paglia seems to have some ideas in this vein as well, though I haven't read her.
>>25090070Lancelot very clearly fucks Guinevere multiple times in the Lancelot-Graal...those details are just euphemized, alluded to, and glossed over.
>>25090070Pagans are such faggots, Kek
>>25090070You'd be surprised
>>25090070I have yet to meet a woman who'd embody the archetype.
>>25090070What not being HBD-pilled does to you.
>>25090197Because it's too human. everyone would rather cling to fantasies started by christkeks and jews.
>>25090131>Acting as though myth/poetry is evidence for anything at all is a sin against rationalityWhat if I told you imagination and what people are interested in is a function of rationality?
>>25090307In the current age women are very prolific shadow-lovers. It's embodied in onlyfans and streamer girls.
>>25090307This Women want to be humiliated and made to feel like a whore
>>25090349Sure but then all that proves is some people's opinions are this or that. The OP screenshot is clearly attempting to make claim at essentialism and objectivity.But if ypu understand the subjective nature of the matter at hand, then sure, why not. You think simping is awesome, do you? Go ahead i guess, since it's all but a matter of taste anyway
>>25090070The goddess lover is often a whore but when she commits to the mortal warrior-king she gives up her whoring seductress ways and becomes his until his passing, possessively protects and strengthens him against forces of darkness, advises him but never steps out of her bounds, she submits to him with a ferocious devotion, bears him progeny of great calibre, daughters who can speak in a thousand tongues and commune with Gods, sons that pass into legendary heroic fables, conquerors who forge empires.Is the modern woman like that?
>>25090430I'm unsure what you're getting at. Is mythology a category to parse the world not essentialist enough for you or too subjective?
>>25090200It's men who romanticised women first though, blew up hard in men's faces, same with motherhood and "maternal instinct" crap
>>25090320In this case, the Xitter poster is reaching for roman paganism
>>25090445It's literally storytelling, anon. Fiction. Not to say you can't derive symbolic value from it, but this can be said for any novel.
>>25090477Nta, but a lot of ancient philosophy is filled with people like Aristotle trying to make sense of myth or give a new meaning to it. Aristotle directly quotes poets often as support for his arguments. Not that I agree with the X post, i think it's all just animalistic craving and probably some sadistic intent on behalf of the poster.
>>25090070French are unlikely to be the corrupters here as they are not the great simps of Europe—on the contrary. But yes a man is most happy, and also most himselfx when he is the position of worshipping a woman with all his heart. Its funny because the people decrying “simps” here will also decry black ghetto culture, but the latter is precisely the origin of this term developed by the black social genius, where there is great tension experienced between a man’s desire to worship woman and his disgust and hatred of promiscuity (and black women are more promiscuous I believe). The question remains of which mortal woman can sustain such world transfiguring passion? There is a reason that these stories are of goddesses and that Socrates preferred boys. On the other hand there are stories of immortal gods worshipping mortal women.
>>25090568Stop being retarded. 'Abstraction' is the word you're looking for here. Men are happiest when they are, in an anti-stirnerian fashion, worshipping an Abstraction. When he is effectively spooked.
>>25090070weird reading of tannhauser
>>25090441>The goddess lover is often a whore but when she commits to the mortal warrior-king she gives up her whoring seductress waysSo she settles with a nice guy, after a history of whoring?
>>25090070Women referring to themselves as "goddesses" has always come off as hyper-cringe to me. The kind of men they attract are the most hopeless porn-addicts, who they won't even want.
>>25090070Modern women revolted against their nature and consequently against God, to simp for them is to encourage their sin.
>>25090070So by that logic, the balding chubby beta she'll end up settling with will be happy?
>>25091335>>25091321>>25091305>>25090641I was commenting on Freud in a different thread, and thinking in that connection... The naivety of Freudianism is so traditional and refreshing compared to what has been developed, or at least has come to prominence, recently. Imagine his writing a paper of looksmaxxing, or alpha males
>>25090070This is an example of heterosexuals ruining perfectly good murder cults.
>>25090070Me myself? I find simping deeply repulsive. It’s an ill feeling in the sternum. Seeing some little puppy of a man whittling all over himself with eagerness, and some unblinking lizard-brained woman, totally unworthy of the admiration, take advantage of him - often with no more purpose than the child has pulling the legs of spiders on the playground.Makes me sick.
Isn't this just a performative way for women to say they want more simps to shower them in attention and give them what they want?
>>25091454Yes. With a really flimsy appeal to authority thrown in.
>>25091452Sure, that's you, but why have most men always felt like their sense of worth lies entirely in being servile to his goddess or muse or what have you? Nor do they find such a position contemptible.There has to be some deep seated psychological mechanism operating there. Social conditioning may play a role, of course.
>>25091478Most men just want pussy, don't overcomplicate it
>>25091478>>25091515most men are homosexual;
>>25091519If that were true, the simp problem would not exist, as men don't gatekeep cock the way women gatekeep pussy
>>25090161>hUrR iF rApE Was LeGal DuRRyou'd get killed in the streets by her male relatives, and it would be good riddance.
>>25090070Faggot twitter post but it's only half-true. I wanted to be the adoring suitor of my goddess-lover but there are no goddess-lovers left, only used up whores who fucked and sucked niggers in their teens. God knows I would commit any atrocity to reach a worthy woman, but I'd rather die alone in horrible torment than bow to dirty used roastbeef. I ain't touching that shit
>>25090070what i read is, "men want to fuck me." good for her ig
>>25091335>So by that logic, the balding chubby beta she'll end up settling with will be happy?All the whores who were so happy with me but left me to "make experiences" ended up marrying this breed of pasty faggot in their 30s. I fucking kek so hard every fucking time. I hope their autistic spawn troons out.
>>25090161Explaining it doesn’t make it not true
