Prosefags need to be rounded up and lobotomized
>>25090590Talking about plot and character is the lowest forms of discussing art. TVTropes is what happens when you disagree.
>>25090590i would agree if you'd said the exact opposite.
I like my characters at 80 iqmy plot 90 iqand my prose 70 iq
>>25090614>my plot 90 iqI like mine at 110 iq for the unexpected twist
>>25090605False. Ogling at form is the most shallow as it's merely a vehicle for content
>>25090590I would agree prosefags need to be lobotomized but I'm pretty sure they already have been
Prose is the most important part of writing. If your story is written like a pleb I won't read it
>>25090590Who the hell doesn't discuss all these things wtf?
>>25090590 Prose is the medium of writing. If you don't like it, maybe you are one of those special individuals who goes around thinking in pictures, don't bother. Take up painting, that may be more your speed
All three go hand in hand
>>25090590socrates didn't write. literally. refused to. he thought the written word was dead speech & said so in the phaedrus. using him to rank prose takes is so perfectly /lit/ i want to frame it.separating prose from character from plot was always the error. prose isn't decoration on top of story. prose is the material everything else is made of. when people say they care about "character not prose" what they mean is the prose was invisible enough that they forgot it was there, which means the prose was doing its job so well they mistook it for transparency. highest compliment you can pay a sentence & you don't even know you're paying it.name a great character. now remove the sentences. hamlet without shakespeare's clauses is a guy who can't decide. anna karenina without tolstoy's free indirect discourse is a woman who has an affair. character is prose. always was. you just stopped looking at the thing the thing was made of.
>>25090590Literally the exact opposite of the truth. The word is the ONLY thing in literature that contains true value. This is why you can have incredible works with totally mundane plots, because the quality of the writing itself is so great. Shakespeare is not great because of its intricate plots man.>buh the charactersCharacters are Prose. Everything about a character that you can like is conveyed in rpose, fucking retard. Again, Shakespeare, how are his characters conveyed? Oh right, in the actual stuff they SAY. Guess what people saying things is? It's prose.
>>25090653content is fluff, form is everything you numbnuts
>>25090966Prosefags confirmed soulless
>>25090590105 take
>>25090930Prosefags, mostly.>>25090934>>25090959>>25090950Prosefags are the equivalent to redditors who upvote black and white photorealistic portraits on r/art, prose is just an exercise in patience and training and only deeply impresses morons. The ability to create a compelling, nuisanced, and fully realized characters and explore them with a plot that masterfully explores who they are through their actions is the most impressive part of any storyteller. Plot is scaffolding, character is marble, and prose is paint. Plot helps develop the character, and paint can make the finished work look more pretty, but the masterfully carved and constructed marble temple that is the characters and their actions is what stands the test of time after the paint has washed away. This is why fables and folktale are so rich, tell anyone the story of Prometheus, using whatever words you want, and they'll have an emotional reaction to the tale just from the actions and choices of the character.
>>25091042>food analogyThis is why people laugh at plotfags
>>25091144>food analogy?>calls guy who clearly views plot as secondary to character a plotfagThis is the peak of prosefag reading comprehension
>>25090590impotent midwit rage
Plato was a prosefag
Divine minds discuss verse
>>25090590I would swap character and plot but yeah prose is definitely the lesser of the three. A generation of novelists who wanted to be poets but couldn't make a living out of it has ruined most of fiction.
>>25091297BasedEpic poems or FUCK OFF
Muh characters and plotHe said proudly
>>25091042Prose can only be good by saying something true. It's impossible to say something stupid well.
>>25091508Sandwichson's weakest element is his characters
>>25090590Prosefags are the equivalent of those normies who think true art is when it's as realistic as possible.>>25091503Also this.
>>25091593He already said that>>25091042
>>25091552Muh plot he said at 60 decibel
>>25091593>>25091042>plotfags say this isn't progress or development
>>25090590The greatest combine both
>>25091633>All of those statues would've been painted originally (prose) and yet after thousands of years we still admire the lasting marble (character)
>>25091042If writing is a grand prix race, the characters are the drivers, the plot is the track, and the prose is the vehicle. The individual preferences of a person watching may enjoy the scenery or have an interest in the personality of the driver, but the vehicle is in and of itself highly interesting, and if you just had a race with a bunch of regular cars it wouldn't be worth anything. Moreover, the vehicle is the essential piece of the race, you can have a Nascar race on a simple loop--you could have self driving cars, but you cannot have a race without the fucking car, it is the essential component, it is why it is a race and not a ping pong tournament or a basketball game.I know this is bait, because nobody actually believes that prose isn't important, but consider that you are essentially taking the position of Brandon Sanderson here. Sanderson is what you get when you ask for a writer who doesn't place any value in the beauty of prose, and he is Reddit.I will also acknowledge that the most insufferable people are those who defend trash because it has "good prose" when it actually doesn't, like Rothfus, but this is only worse than people who defend things with "good characters" when the characters are actually flat (Sanderson) because, since nobody actually knows good prose anymore, you will see people agree with them that something has good prose when it actually does not, whereas anyone can recognize a character that is flat because they deal with characters who are not flat (people) every day.
>>25091639Painting a statue would be illustration. Prose is the quality of the carving, character is what the statue is of, and plot does not exist in statues.
>>25091670>Ignoring what the statue is depicted doing as plot
The strongest minds don't read the works of lesser minds.
>>25091297Poets are just failed novelists
>>25091783.
>>25091637This, and it's why Hugo is greater than Melville, Nabokov, Pynchon, etc.
>>25090590plot is the unity of fictional media wtf it's plot > characters > prose...
>>25090614imagine a story with the most intelligent and wittiest of characters and a plot with enough juice and intricacies to go on for six books but the narrrator communicates like a 12 year old burger. KINO ngl fr fr tho
>>25091802>Nabokov, Pynchonnobody disputes this
may as well argue over whether logic, grammar, or rhetoric is most important in argument. the best arguments are sound in all dimensions. the best fiction demonstrates abundant technique in all three of these aspects (character, plot, prose). why are you idiots even entertaining this ridiculous discussion
