Any interesting approaches that aren't novel-like prose you've seen? Surely html allows more cool stuff beyond stat blocks.

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Got some outlines last thread and good discussion on story structure. Well done, Slop Masters. This time, we're working those creative muscles on filling out that backlog.

/wng/ Thread Quest #5:

Write 1,000 words. This is double what we started with, so let's see if your efforts at improvement have paid off. Reply here when you finish and be sure to give your fellows a pat on the back when they do the same.

Good luck, and have fun!

Threadly reminder not to respond to Tinashit.

Why shouldn't I host my story on a personal site?

I have a conundrum.
I struggle to write dialogue with personality without going well into my accent/dialect. My brain is wanting to write in Scots, and (for example) have the MC full of themself go; "how fucking cute, If ah could dae that tae yah, what else could ah dae"
I know that I can't write the MC to speak/think like that internally, but that's what my brain wants to do when I try to insert personality, because it just sucks when instead written into proper english like; how fucking cute, If I could do that to you, what else could I do

I want to add Hard Luck Hermit to the SF / Space Opera recs in rentry.co

>>25100698
Discoverability.

>>25100739
Personally, do you think discoverability is more important than monetization potential?

>>25100770
Discoverability is conjoined with monetization potential at the hip

>>25100770
If you're just starting out, definitely. That means publishing through a means people actually use, like RR or Amazon or Spacebattles or whatever. Sites people actually frequent.

Enough with the "this is my first book guise" gimmick. Everyone knows you abandoned all your older series after they failed to get traction.

>>25100805
Foolish of you to believe there ever was an older series completed enough to be deemed a failure for that.

>>25100704
Just write all dwarves

>Royal Road is an online web novel and serial fiction platform and community, incorporated as Not Yet Media Ltd. in Israel before 2020.

>>25100825
>it's another "newfag finds out RR is founded in kikesrael" episode

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Can I make it in the webnovel industry if I'm not a flamboyant faggot? My MC is all about being a machoman, getting pussy, disregarding women' opinions, and calling anyone who is a coward a faggot. The good old Clint Eastwood-like type of hero.

>>25100846
instead of fantasizing about writing you should just go and write it

and spare us the faggot ass questions

>>25100846
I'm not sure if you can get away with the term 'faggot' verbatim but the rest is not only fine but would see success.

>>25100846
80% of the webnovel audience is young straight men (this is why fagshit doesn't go over well but lesbians do)
so yes but you WILL get retards whining about your protagonist slinging faggot left and right

>>25100689
sure thing. but last thread some dingbat was accusing people of being kino and tina. i'm wondering if this threadly reminder might not be one of those two assholes. could be like kinoes cover or some shit.

>>25100698
>Why shouldn't I host my story on a personal site?
i mean do that. sure. great for your fucking aunt to read your futa smut story. but how you picking up readers that way. you need to mix it up out in the public. you wanna be a writer, right. random people get to see your work, dude.

>>25100770
one tactic is to incubate at a smaller site. when you got your schtick down then you're confident with taking your act to the big site like RR. and you will be taking your well edited couple of works with you all at once. discoverability has to come first. people have to discover you to shower you with those sweet patreon bucks.

>>25100825
like the fucking yids were ever going to let any form of media out of their grasp.

>>25100884
for what it's worth RR was not created as a corpo and is not operated as a corpo
the site started as a fanfic site for Legendary Moonlight Sculptor
I've been around for a long while, since 2018, and they've never been unfair or unreasonable either to me or in any case I've observed, if anything rr mods are one of the exceptions in their fairness and professionalism

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>>25100675

HMMMM. This picture really reminds me of something else. Perhaps it was inspired by another picture. Things that make you go HMMMM.

I think I genuinely hate litrpgs that follow DND / video game rules closely. I'm unable to suspend my disbelief for both the world and the characters being unable to think or act in a way that is outside of the ruleset, it's just so frustrating to read them not go for the obvious or the safe or realistic play when dying means death. game mechanics are gamey because it's a game, you can't just inject it into "reality" and expect it to make any sense

>>25100888
okay. taking you at your word. so why do these fair and professional mods let the discord cabals and writer groups run fucking wild. there's a yuri group that claims yuri for their own property as a genre. if they don't approve or you're not a member they carpet bomb your rating and comments. this is but one example and its hardly the exception rather than the rule. members of cabals get instant gluts of shout outs, review 5 star swaps, comments and likes. like the coordinated launches to own RS. that shit sound fair and professional to you. the fuck.

>>25100909
you understand that this is basically "if the government is fair and punished criminals, then why is there organized crime"
because an institution is always slower and less agile than smaller, grey/black forces that seek to subvert the system

>>25100900
Making your own coherent set of mechanics is hard. It's much easier and less work to simply follow an existing ruleset.

Mother of Learning felt great in the beginning, but it's obvious the writer had way too many ideas for a single story.

>>25100922
sounds good. but no. this isn't gov't. it requires no act of congress. it requires but a stroke of a pen. a goddamn memo, and it could be done. one group owning yuri? bullshit its not obvious. take coordinated launching and sitting, as a perfect example. that was a great moment to act. it was clear it was done to own and sit on RS. They could have set the fucking example right then and there. It would have been easy to do, too. Early on? you set the example. you bust up the first big bully cabal, and that would have been that. everyone would have learned their lesson. instead, they chose to let it all go. Now how do people respond. I know tons of writers who left RR because of all the shit. others l;earned a different lesson, they formed cabals and do the same shit. do they get something out of it by having it like that. maybe those groups are yids. who knows.

>>25100900
>I think I genuinely hate litrpgs that follow Greek/Classical storytelling closely. I'm unable to suspend my disbelief for both the world and the characters being unable to think or act in a way that is outside of the tragic or comedic, it's just so frustrating to read them not go for the obvious or the safe or realistic play when dying means death. Greek stories are Greek because they were written 2,500 years ago, you can't just inject it into "modernity" and expect it to make any sense

>>25100948
this is a joke but I unironically have this issue and fundamentally can't enjoy most fiction that is uber locked into tropes and conventions the way Greek theatre is

>>25100932
which is funny because there's barely a story

>>25100950
It's half a joke. But the core element is "real people wouldn't do this - that's not how it works" and that's probably true. So how does one square the circle of intersecting what's sufficiently real with what's sufficiently thrilling or sublime? Some authors do that by conveying, "okay, I admit this isn't going to be entirely real, instead it's going to be Fantasy™ as we all understand it."
The ancient Greeks would probably admit ancient Greek literature doesn't literally involve the god Zeus transforming into a swan to rape a woman who then lays four eggs which hatch into humans, one of whom is Helen of Troy. It's just a tale. "Real people wouldn't do that - that's not how it works" takes place across eons.

>>25100961
if a swan descended from heaven with a divine glow specifically for me, I could see myself fucking it tbqh

>>25100978
Only if it's a female swan, thanks.

>>25100982
very ungreek mindset

How am I supposed to write a LitRPG if I don’t like RPGs?

>>25100982
>Only if it's a female swan, thanks.
but, there's like 57 kinds of swans that way, don't you know. and the swan tells you if its a girl or a boy. and you don't want labeled as a swan-phobic. You can lose your job for that shit, and the twatter mob will come for you. These things require looking delicately, at all the many and varied angles. Very complicated.

>>25101001
>How am I supposed to write a LitRPG if I don’t like RPGs?
my first inclination was to say write something else, dummy. But then I counted to ten, and decided. Satire! Its brilliant. First, satire, its a small tag/genre. easy to dominate and get to number one as compared to a busy genre. Next up is you are actually making fun of it. And an anon should be able to make fun of it with skill, am I right. Write shit playing it straight then break into almost a monty python skit about something, but play it straight. I'm being serious I think this is the way to go. You get your tag, lit RPG. but you get satire tag, too. easy to chart in.

>>25101009
and its satire. throw in any other genre tag you can slop into it, to make fun of that too, I mean your adventuring party could meet another one. They could break wall, sayingf qwhat trheir genre is, etc. "what a big sword!" "Yeah, I'm overcompensating." girl with him nods and whispers "he realls is. I would know." then a guy leans in. winks "I would know too, cookie." just fucking have fun with it. Whern something (whatever) happens? "Oh for christ's sake, this is like a bad novel. what the hell!" "Who's christ? you keep saying that." do it anon, do it.

>>25100846
Amazing. Not a single straight person in this official artwork.

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I'm digging DEEP looking for stuff to read and whew boy there is some shit out there.

I can see why some novel sites have such fucked up search engines. Better to make people work for the awful shit. Protect their virgin eyes.

>>25100890
>This generic steampunk watercolor is copying Amano
You are actually insulting Amano you retard.

>>25100900
>litrpgs that follow DND / video game rules closely.
None of them do though.
They use some made up idea of what those are which has become it's own trope.

>>25101009
>>25101014
Stfu Tina

>>25100675
Blimps alongside flying ships makes no fucking sense.

Also 2 fuckhuge clock towers IN VIEW OF EACH OTHER. God, imagine every fucking time they chime. Ew.

>>25100900
What kind of realistic play do you expect to follow from these "I hit my toe on the door and developed total pain immunity out of nowhere" and "I can acquire any skill in the universe I want"-systems?

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I started to write a story in gdocs a while ago that starts with the MC brewing a cup of coffee. Then I one day came across a story on RR that starts the exact same fucking way, almost word for word.

It only diverges in that where I described the whole process of making the cup, the other work just showed the MC removing a boiling pot of water from the stove, but makes no mention of how it's used, then just forgets the water and moves on to the MC drinking the coffee. Some fucking LLM ripped my doc and regurgitated it for this brainless retard. I'll never put any writing in cloud ever again, jesus fuck, what a world

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>>25101145
Is him Jacques.

>>25101113
no. suck a dick. that anon wasn't complaining. none of your fucking affair, fuck stick. stay in your lane, bitch.

The biggest problem with WNs is basically how they don't have professional editors. A good editor is 70% of the recipe for a good story.

>>25101133
blimpin' ain't easy

>>25100675
Anons talking about MoL make remember that I once read it on Baka-Tsuki, which is weird since I remember it being translation site.
So I checked... and it's there.
https://www.baka-tsuki.org/project/index.php?title=Mother_of_Learning
>Mother of Learning is a light novel written by Nobody103, first published online in 2011 on Fictionpress.

Gu status?

are there actually any good steampunk webnovels? list them

>>25101246
Are there any good tech webnovel?

>>25101259
Armorers count as tech, right?

>>25101259
Uh, How the Stars Turned Red is technically sci-fi but you really read it for wordwordswords Mahan-inspired politicking. Does that count as a good tech WN? It does have space battles at least twice.

>>25101259
Maybe more speculative fiction like Footfall? That's just a novel though... so maybe Battletech?

>>25101246
Accidental War mage and Son of the Dragon

>>25101009
Write xianxia instead.

>>25101001
>How am I supposed to write a LitRPG if I don’t like RPGs?
Most LitRPG are just fantasy or sci-fi with a clearly defined magic system (assuming fantasy) and character abilities named, summarized, and gained in chunks through some unnatural means. And most of that shit you should be doing in your bible anyway. You don't really need to get into the autistic shit like stats and levels to do LitRPG and more than a few writers assume their readers won't even actually look at that shit and will just skip past it.

If you want a middle ground you can do quests or equipment based skills.

How do you guys keep tense shifting under control when it comes to inner monologue?
I can somewhat manage it when I write in third person.
>Anon slammed his glass on the table. Screw them all. Stacy and Pepe could drop dead for all he cared.
But I'll lose all control when it comes to first person, like in the piece I posted in the previous thread.
>For as long as I could remember, I wanted to be just like Batman.
>And as I stood on the edge of a building, wind whipping my cape, the lamplit streets sprawling below like a hazy maze, I thought to myself:
>Damn, I'm cool.
>No. I forced my lips into a frown. Batman would never gloat about looking cool. He'd simply be cool. That's why he's the GOAT. If I wanted to imitate even a fraction of his aura, I had to control the presentation. A man in a silly costume giggling on a rooftop is a weirdo. A black knight perched high beneath a sickly green moon, sweeping a vigilant gaze across the city--that was the image I was going for.
>Unfortunately, vigilance was boring.
>"Haaawowe," I yawned.
>This was my fourth night on patrol. So far, nothing has happened. No muggings. No drunken brawls. Not even a shady deal in an alley. The whole city was dead asleep. I'd heard there was a curfew, but I didn't expect the people of this Tim Burton–looking town to tuck themselves into bed before ten.
>Come on, people. Get a life. Break a few rules, why don't you?
>"I should've brought coffee." I rolled my neck that was becoming stiff from all the perching.
>Does Batman bring coffee on patrol? Please, he's Batman. He probably has a state-of-the-art espresso machine built into the Batmobile--foam art shaped like a bat and everything. I glanced at my makeshift utility belt that was strung together with shoestrings and safety pins. Maybe I could strap a flask to it. Or a thermos. Or--
>"Aaaahhhhh!"
>The sharp cry cut through the night, a desperate voice that would have been swallowed by the howling wind if not for my superhuman hearing.
>My senses snapped into focus.
>This was it. What I'd been waiting for.
>My moment to shine.
>I clutched my oversized top hat--yes, I was wearing a top hat instead of a proper cowl. It was the only black headwear I found in my mother's attic, OK? Anyway, I clutched my oversized top hat and leapt from the building.
>My body shot into the sky, my cape snapping behind me.
>God, I'm so cool.

Based on what I'm seeing online, I've determined that the optimal way to write a lesbian romance novel online is to make it about a love triangle between an alpha werewolf teacher, an omega werewolf student, and a vampire mafia head where everyone is korean pop stars and the text randomly flips between English and Tagalog.

>>25101558
>How do you guys keep tense shifting under control when it comes to inner monologue?
I don't. I write shit and then go back and fix all the tenses.

>>25100675
>Start writing an outline for my story
>Think of a cool idea in the middle of it
>I really want to add it...
>But it steers my story on a completely different direction...
>Repeat
Goddammit! STOP IT, BRAIN! STOP GIVING ME IDEAS!

>>25101605
If anyone's ever wondered why 90% of serialized stories have completely bonkers pacing, this is why.

>>25101605
Write the idea down for later, you can never have enough actually good ideas

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>>25101558
See pic related.

>>25101605
If the idea isn't particularly transformative, maybe try and see if you could make it a self-contained arc that you could add as a side story later during some nebulous down time of your story. Maybe even after you're done with the thing.

Or stick it in a sequel.

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>>25101605
>Get an idea
>Jacques gets a new job that would lead him to that idea.
SKILL ISUE

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>>25100675
How much should I save up for a book cover if I am going to post on RoyalRoad and hopefully self-publish later?

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>>25101668
Seems like most of the complaints in this regard is that artists are inconsistent, so instead of having the money and then going looking you should go looking and then gather the money.
For monstergirls i personally think Lansane does amazing work

>>25101675
That artist can't even do perspective properly. The face looks flat and has no size difference between the eyes, as if they just mirrored what they drew on one side. Construction is a bit off and you can tell the flowers were hastily drawn because they also have no form.

>>25101684
Good. Now find your own artist.

>>25101687
I'm in a Bachelor of Fine Arts. I can draw for myself. You people are a joke and not writers.

>>25101691
Congratulations, youve confirmed my assumption they teach nothing of worth at art school. Shame you didnt bother to post anything you drew, or wrote for that matter and instead just decided you were the authority on the matter, I think /wg/ might be more for you.

>>25101696
>nothing of worth at art school
Is that why I've got an exhibit and "Lansane" doesn't?
>Shame you didnt bother to post anything you drew, or wrote for that matter and instead just decided you were the authority on the matter, I think /wg/ might be more for you.
I'm a traditionally published author, too, so why would I ruin my chances of fame and fortune by associating my name with 4chinz? You people are just crabs in a bucket, anyway.

>>25101700
Nice, nice, remember to take your meds. Your mom has enough on her mind.

>>25101691
>I'm unemployed with a useless degree
weird flex

>>25101703
Why are you employed if you are a "writer"? Shouldn't you be writing full-time? You do write, don't you?
>>25101702
Seething.

To hopefully continue inviting readers to post, so that they might attract other like minded readers to discuss, I invite anyone to post your favorite KR novels of any flavor.
Currently re-reading Kidnapped Dragons as the tl wasnt done last I read it, very fun story.

>>25101700
O, Anon, terrible Anon, bane of /wn/ authors. We call upon you, who is autistic, who is all-seeking, to discover this anon’s work, and punish him for his hubris.

>>25101709
My favorite KR story was Barbarian Writer in a Murim Dating Sim. The translations got taken down by Novelpia, who put up some of the shittiest MTLs I've ever seen. There won't be readable translations ever again unless some human translator decides to start retranslating and that just doesn't seem like a realistic option.

So there's that, I guess. Hooray.

>>25101723
My condolences, it does seem like the korean publishers are much more rabidly greedy in regards to IPs than others. True shame when paid services ruin things with excessive greed.

>>25101713
It's free to find online. You people should know who I am. I'm a household name.

>>25101700
Sir, you were being the crab in this bucket >>25101684

>>25101731
That's called critique. I'm just trying to get better at understanding art so I can better myself.

>>25100680
Kinda late to the outline thing, but I thought I'd still give it a try.
Outline:
>A matriarchal fantasy setting
>In this world, women hold all power because they are the only ones able to use magic
>Women practice polyandry, and treat men as 2nd class citizen
>Men who fail to find a wife by the age of 20 are deemed "undesirables"
>The undesirables are forced to fight in a gladiator arena until they die or some woman marries them
>Protagonist Zack is one of those undesirables
>During his first fight, Zack gets badly wounded
>The Physician gives her a strange potion to heal him
>Zack recovers and surprisingly wins the next three fights with ease
>He then begins to lose control of his body and hallucinate things
>The Physician reveals to him the potion he was givem experimental drug, and all gladiators are human test subjects to similar drugs
>She also orders his execution, because the drug effect is becoming too unpredictable
>However, Zack rages out, kills the Physican and escapes into the mountains
>In the mountains, he finds a Healer who is able stabilize his madness
>After recovering, Zack discovers he is able to use magic, becoming the first man to use magic
>Zack begins building a nation in the mountains with runaway gladiators

>>25101709
Of the KR slop that I have enjoyed, Mesugaki Tank is high up there along with I want to be a Vtuber (complete lie of a title btw, 600 chapters in, no sign of the MC becoming a vtuber)
SSS rank onahole was actually peak. I hate how novelpia killed translations for that.

>>25101713
His IP has been carefully logged. After his third visit, there is no real escape. We already have his soul and it belongs to us now.

>>25101744
The spirit of Moot protects us from shitposters. Amen.

>>25101746
Moot invented /pol/ for Epstein. It's over for this website. Tumblr won.

>>25101729
Looking up "shit", can't find much. Then he remembered that its just a LARP anyways.

>>25101748
Why would I tell you who I am when you are a basement dwelling chud who reads poorly edited webnovels for entertainment? There's no way you have anything going for you in life.

>>25101684
>The face looks flat and has no size difference between the eyes
Actually they get smaller as they go up the head.

>>25101746
Part 1. So I was somewhere else. Sue me that I have a little spark of life outside of here. It's cool and I'm doing okay with everything I got from here. Then I ran into someone cool. I'm now deciding how worthy you faggots even are to hear the rest of my awesome night I had. You are all in luck. Seiki the cat thinks you deserve it.

>>25101767
The moe eyes are the same size despite being on different sides of a face that is skewed to the left. I think you are blind. Look at all this hack's artwork. Even boobs are the same size despite a pose where they should be smaller, the further away they are to the viewer.

>>25101770
Part 2. Looking back on it, I must have pleased Kek. Some mystery meat piece of shit was larping as if he were really something.I allowed him to farm his aura for twenty-four hours. Then checking back in, it was time. I took callous and calculated cold clinical revenge. Looking back on it, I flashed power level. I thought it went by unnoticed. That's when it happened, soon after. Seiki the cat glanced over at the coffee pot. Seiki is best girl. She's deciding if you are worthy.

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>novel is about getting isekaied and genderbend as the villainess maid,
>mc have to manipulate various faction behind the scenes while educating the villainess so she doent get guillotine ending
pic related is the cover i made using ai, thoughts?

Just started The Wandering Inn and it's pretty good so far, but when does the monster fucking start? I was promised monster fucking, but there's only been small teases so far.

>>25101870
>Villainess slop
>FeMC slop

>>25101796
Part 3. I thought it was all a random chance. After all, if you roll 4d20 long enough its not as if you can't come up with quad fours. Thing is though, you gotta be rolling those bones. I was in cool down mode. What even is an autistic human but some large mecha clad over with warm skin stretched over it all. I was on power up eight for my twenty-four hour run. Eight is 2d4 with fours for dubs, summed. Twenty-four is many things. Here it was trip eights. As it ended up though, I must have summoned him to me. Dubs, trips, quads. Flashing power levels and representing. Tasting fear in a vanquished foe's weak aura and letting it crawl away to live. Allowing it to suffer more. I think it was showing mercy, that was what did it. The final thing.

>>25101878
it's not FeMC, the protagonist is mentally and spiritually male

>>25101870
I wanna sodomize her. Good job. She has the sweet innocence, still smoking hot. I like the blurred background. Brings focus. I was going to niggle that her face wasn't centered up. But as my male gave slides down, her soft little bellybutton is in the center. Yeah. Composition works. It hints, it doesn't scream. Now. Where's titling and author;s name go. Both bottom, I guess. Or do you have skills to create borders that work.

>>25101876
Its in there, anon. Its in there.

>>25101882
It's still FeMC

>>25101887
male gave=male gaze, even

>>25101887
That's a child.

>>25101900
out of 10

>>25101900
>That's a child.
fuck off. its an anime cover. they all look like that. if you don't get that sweet innocence is the selling point, I don't know what to tell you. The cover is working. good job. Now I wanna hear about titling or borders or both.

>>25101879
Part 4. Its when it happened. You never know when things are going to end up important moments. All those unimportant shit seconds to all the days of random pissed away hours. Though sometimes, its different. He's just standing there. I made eye contact, and held it. A normie will either run or challenge me. He did neither. Cold empty gaze, just like mine. I know another mecha in a skin suit when I see one. We can all do it. He knew to just sit down in my booth across from me. No chit chat, I like that. He's comfortable in silence, and when he speaks its just what's needed and nothing more. Cold, ruthless, efficient. he asked to read my stuff. We're all writers coming in and out of this late night diner. Like I care. He just selected a random book out of my series. Clicked on a random chapter out of the list. Just like that. He doesn't care which book, which chapter. I like that. Liked it more when he read without stopping, straight through to the end of my chappie. He said it was actually okay, or even good. But it was a little weird. Yeah, I get that a lot. "I know. Nothing you can put your finger on. Just some weird floating vibe my writing gives off. I hear it all the time." "I can put my finger on it. Its obvious." Double-you, Tee, Eff. With an entendre like that, as if I can say no. "You gonna tell me." "I had to ask. You have to want it." I nodded. He opened up a new document off of my text chapter. He just started pecking away like he's writing a little essay. Didn't take him that long, maybe twenty minutes. I read it when he swiveled the laptop back to its rightful owner. Wow. He had made a copy of my random chapter, and cut everything but what he had wanted to show me. Lists of sentences, grouped under headings. Each with a couple neat paragraphs under them, explaining what he wanted or didn't want. It was unpretentious yet intelligent. Insightful with no gloat or flex. he went off to piss and returned. I asked for clarification on a few things. He typed some more. I was close to his destination he had in mind for me, but he dragged me onto his bullseye he had in mind. I couldn't wait until he was done with his bladder expulsion. I wanted to thank him, maybe buy him dinner and coffee. This beautiful fellow autist had identified one of my last if not the last mechanical issues betrayed my writing. This was it, it would now bemy coming out party. I was around the far bend. I could feel it surge through me now. That ever present feeling of I'm so done, fell away. Something rose out of a speck I hadn't even known was under it all, something I had treasured and saved. It grew and settled all over me. A powerful sense of I'm back. Maybe he's taking a shit, its been too long. I chanced a trip for my own piss. But he was gone. I'd say he doesn't even know what he did, how great a gift he gave me. Yet that wouldn't be right. He knew. He had been sent to reward me. My final power up. Now I know my time has finally arrived.

>>25101900
Reading translated webnovels is always wild about this topic.
I'll find a JP or KR webnovel with a cover of a girl that looks like >>25101870
To me, that looks like a girl that can drink and buy alcohol, might not be like that in the story, but that's my instinct.
However, in a KR/JP WN, they'll have a character like that, describe her sexy naked body, then say she's 8. It's just wild.

>>25101870
Wife

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>>25101934
tentative title is "Surviving as The Villainess Maid" (very generic, i know). pic related is the Villainess character who gets corrected by our maid. as for border i'm thinking a golden royal/nobility themed border kinda like those french decoration thing.

>>25102088
mating press

>>25102095
Reverse futa mating press, yes

>>25101870
>>25102088
>anime cover
>pedophile and also a tranny
what a surprise

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>>25101900
>>25102116
you're a retard and you need to kill yourself

>>25102116
but enough about MLA

>>25101870
>thoughts?
If your character is a maid you could literally use any fucking character creator you wanted to depict them instead of AI. They fucking all have maid outfits.

>>25102101
I will now read your novel

webnovel about based the impaler

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>>25102191
Not the MC, but a member of the main cast is, literally, Vlad's son.

>>25101668
Artists expect an arm and a leg. Better start commissioning now, as well, because it'll take at least six months for them to deliver.

>>25102088
this image is all centered up. But it matches the other one, once you take the bellybutton as the center. It makes them appear as different composition yet in reality the same. I like that. Now you have another cover for another arc/volume. And yes, I like the ornate french gold border idea. Yet now seeing both I'm tempted to want titling and author name both down in the bottom 1/4th. Both share dress down there, good placement maybe. But then you can go more ornate with the border.

>>25102121
right said. No tourists, no pantie wetting pearl clutching fags.

>>25102219
hi kinoman. These anons didn't even know Tina was here. So? Now there they will go. Trying? To tag me and failing. Accusing each other, in futility. The harder they try, the farther they'll fall behind. Its sad, really. Their pathetic need to find a boogeyman to point at. When in all reality, they need only look into the mirror.

>>25102270
Be proud of the fact that none of them has the balls to post his story here, unlike us.

Why is magic in stories often kind of boring?
>You gotta visualize the magic to cast it!
Or they emphasize cost
>Law of equivalent exchange!

These magic systems don't spark my imagination. They feel unnatural and artificial. Things in the real world don't really work based on these handwavey concepts. If they do then it's a matter of us not understanding them well enough. People who are good at it wouldn't say "you can't beat X because you can't imagine yourself beating them".

In the real world humans have built remarkable technology that feels like magic. Typically they're done by exploiting some small aspect of the physical sciences and then building something monstrously complex on it. Imo magic should be built from small things into something complex. Like building nand and logic gates from transistors. The characters don't have to understand all the complex spells they cast in detail, but something like that should be the underlying magic system. From small and simple things into something complex that does wondrous stuff.

>>25102304
Retard

>>25102304
>From small and simple things into something complex that does wondrous stuff.
Why would this spark anyone's imagination? 99% of humans have no idea how this stuff works. How would you present this in text that interests or thrills a reader?

>>25102305
Stop being a bad poster.

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>>25102088
cover-anon, is on the case. I do mockups. And if you're hard enough up you wanna use one I play with, feel free. One kid one night did use one I made. Its good for a reference, or just to look at while thinking about your next chappie. PIC REL, ornate french-y frame for a base. outside can be erased carefully that's just busy work though. Gonna see if I can get the dimensions of image and frame working. Might hit pay dirt and puke up some titling.

>>25102304
>Imo magic should be built from small things into something complex. Like building nand and logic gates from transistors.
I've seen this in written form and it was horrible, you don't understand how fast it turns into boring schizo-babble
I agree that there should be some degree of sophistication above "Just imagine it, lol!", but the reality is that all magic systems usually boil down to "Just imagine it, lol!"

>>25102306
>How would you present this in text that interests or thrills a reader?
You don't. This is what's supposed to guide you when you write the story so that you don't make errors that make the reader think your magic system sucks.
>>25102326
You can still say in text that it's "just imagine it" but underneath the system doesn't work like that. There will be inconsistencies that crop up where it doesn't work by "just imagine it". Eg a rock that obviously can't imagine anything periodically casts a minor warmth spell.

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Struggled for 3 days, went a day behind schedule.
But I did it. Chapter uploaded.

>>25102326
there's a thing in stories. Its called the "female mystic". Its why the female tends to be the one that can do magic, or esp, or whatnot. You see this time and again. In print or on screen, here's what a female mystic centered story gives. A whole lot of... drama. Her finding or discovering about, the *power*. Her learning to *control* it. She will always figure as essential to the final confrontation, even if just the side character all along. Then, you get minutes (pages? lol) of this... her struggle to *do* it. He, he won't let me in. Or, I don't know if I have enough power. The female mystic will always either become the celebrated hero, or have given everything up to win. (lost her power, used it too much. Or, died, gave her life selflessly, etc) Welcome, to the female mystic as a common story trope. Your mission, should you decide to accept. Practice and get good if not already, with awesome sounding descriptions of all the... whatever. The struggle, the turmoil. The force of will, the struggle to control... again, whatever. Its just performative dynamics at that point. You can do the rest of the novel, and leave spots where you go in when bored or done. Smoke a doobie and play with dramatic sounding depictions of... the struggle in that part. It means nothing, it just has to be ornate and verbose and a change in tone from everything else. This is the centerpiece of your work, its what really sells the whole package. Don't be afraid to turn up some purple prose and have overly constructed sentences to set it apart. The reader slowing down to parse it, will make it the focus and the payoff. Women love it, because girly is the big strong hero. If she's otherwise hot or interesting in some way, then men like her too. Examples? Hellboy's girlfriend (exploding fire girl). Halle Berry in the Red Dragon (he, he... he won't let me in! we get ten minutes of that overacted tripe) The cute little girl in Firestarter (book or movie) ou'll always see "the female mystic" over and over now that I showed her to you. Always all drama and fluff, never anything concrete.

>tina kept samefagging on the previous thread hours after it was dead

>>25102420
I guess it was real in your head. The truth is that you don't know when I'm here or not.

>>25100689

>>25101870
>genderbend
There's no point writing this if your are doing RR.
Koreans use genderbend to get males to read a femc story, this isn't an issue with the western audience.

>>25102326
This is why you gotta take the modernity pill and go with espers which are way more in line with how people think about spirituality and magic instead of forcing yourself to use "magic" just because Tolkien/Gygax/Greenberg/Horii did it (I allow for some slack here because I don't know which stage of the human centipede you find yourself in).

>>25102480
Espers are just superheroes, which don't have nearly the staying power of systems and worlds of magic.

>>25102456
threadly reminder to fuck off.

magic systems need to retvrn to horror

>>25102523
now that I like the general idea, I can do it just a hair more carefully and get that white stripe out.

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>>25102526
That other guy is scamming you, you're wasting valuable image space using an enormous frame like that. Try a simple border instead if you have to, otherwise forget about it. Add your title and authorship first, too, to gauge the balance you're playing with.

>>25102509
Superman has been in publication continuously since 1938. Spider-Man since 1963.I'm not sure that saying capeshit has no staying power is true, let alone that espers count as capeshit. Ubik, Akira, The Faith Machine, Psion and Catspaw, ToAru Series or Mob Psycho (I guess you could call this superhero shit but it's not capeshit and if it is superheroes then every hero with a system is also a superhero), etc., all non-capeshit espers.

>>25102543
meant for

>>25102523

>>25102545
>Superman, Spiderman
originally comics, only became bigtime franchises decades later
>Ubik
published 50 years ago
>The Faith Machine, Psion and Catspaw
never heard of this junk, clearly it doesn't sell
>ToAru Series or Mob Psycho
Now we're getting somewhere, but Mob Psycho is a manga. Raildex I'll give you. Why is it so hard to think of superhero literature compared to the literal landfills full of D&D, Harry Potter, or LOTR-adjacent works? I posit that those who love superheroes are simply not as literate as those who love traditional fantasy.

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there we go. nothing left but erasing around the edges.

>>25102509
Yeah I don't understand the idea of espers somehow being easier or more sensical than magic. There's a reason magic is the default for fantasy power systems, because there's a huge amount of pre-existing systems and assumptions you can draw on. Nobody will go "huh? that makes no sense" when you have your MC use Earth and Fire magic to make Lava or exploding boulders or whatever.

I thought it would be easy to work with psionics because of the lack of pre-defined stuff but it's been more of a pain to work up the power system than any work I did with magic beforehand. Admittedly that's my own autism demanding me to justify and explain shit to myself but it's not just that.

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fuzzy border easier and maybe better than erasing austically around the border to the last pixel.

>>25102577
cover-anon, strikes again.
oops. forgot pic 2. client needs bookends.
moment, please.
beep, boop. *whir*

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>>25102543
Oh damn this does looks nice

>>25102610
After awhile your LLM goes full inbred and devolves into just spamming emotes and giving you advice about how to "nail that interview"

>>25102610
I've come to realize that all the "Magic is just like programing!" subset of isekai kind of sucks, this includes the "AI chip reincarnated with me"
Eventually things either get hand-waved like always or gets so autistic in it's presentation it bores me to tears with the rare middle ground being too reddit to my liking

>>25101101

Of course I'm not, becuase the primary intent of the remark is to indicate that the lesser work is derivative of the better, NOT, as you have tried and failed to suggest, because the baseline aesthetic of the work presented as the better, or original, was itself bad to begin with.

By your own idiot logic, any time a crappy copy is made of anything whatsoever, this must mean that in every such case, the original was never any good in the first place. I want you, and everyone else who reads the train of thought,

>>25100675
>>25100890
>>25101101

to think seriously about how stupid your suggestion has been.

>>25102651
settle the fuck down, francis.
when its time to bake the bread?
(you) can make the OP and choose whatever image you like.
how can you give a fuck.

Winnies for this feel?

>>25102750
What webnovel actually captures the utter, unflagging insanity of hobbyist servers and threads?

All jokes aside I really do think we should hunt and kill tina for sport.

>>25102586
>>25102577
Eh. I don't like the fuzzy white border. Looks sloppy. I would either use a black vignette instead of a white one, or just crop the edges of the picture frame.

I have an idea. I have a rococo picture frame like the one you're using, but it's much much thicker. So it would shrink down your illustration considerably. But you could lay the title and your name over the frame itself without them being too close to the margins. I think that might improve things.

>>25102934
Actually this looks much better: >>25102543
I still think a black vignette will make the border pop better.

>>25102854
all jokes aside?
>(hey, this proves its me)
come and get killed
all I'm saying is that Tina is just a pen name
you have no idea, whatsoever, what's on the other end of your keyboard

>>25102934
cover anon
are you the client responding
or just some anon

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>why won't the MC just murder everyone who slightly inconveniences him?
>I hate how subservient the MC acts, letting this guy disagree with him, he should grow a backbone
>the MC should just not do his job if it's slightly dangerous
>two people had dinner together, but this story isn't tagged romance, I give it a yikes and 1 star
>the characters who appeared for one paragraph are not as well fleshed out as the protagonist, which is disappointing
>this story has some generic tropes, no I won't specify 1/5
Man, I don't wanna do this anymore

>>25102995
>why won't the MC just murder everyone who slightly inconveniences him?
well? why won't he? I don't want to read about some cuck.

>>25103001
Even if you theoretically could, wouldn't life be really lonely without nobody else in the world?

What would Spectral Soul do?

>>25103011
get cancelled by the CCP

It's pretty funny to see stories that obviously took inspiration from mine and sell themselves more or less subtly saying "it's like -that- story but better" but then get shit on by reviewers for other reasons. Get fucked, asshole

>>25102989
You're having a stroke again, take your meds old timer

>>25103060
Don't acknowledge the resident schizo.

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I guess this type of historical narrative has no room on RR. Bummer, I really enjoyed writing in that way. I felt I could cover a lot of ground with it.
Every time I try to write scenic scenes, I run into the issue of "nothing happens".

>>25103164
No, also I am not interested in the whole slavery theme.

>>25103164
This is just Joseph crossed with Genghis Khan.
Also this is just an exposition dump straight from the narrator.
Why not have it be a story conveyed from one character to another?

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How inclusive is too inclusive? I get trying to have a variety of peoples with a variety of life experiences in your work, but including the French seems a bit too far.

>>25103170
>This is just Joseph crossed with Genghis Khan.
yes
>>25103170
>Also this is just an exposition dump straight from the narrator.
By modern standards. I suppose so.
>>25103170
>Why not have it be a story conveyed from one character to another?
How would verbal exposition be any better?

>>25101876
it happens. they didn't nickname it "the wandering whorehouse" for nothing

Dungeon Crawler Carl was written with AI
>smells like ozone and dead cats
Thats an ai'ism cliche

>written a whole 4 chapters
>already having to go back and check details
I can see why authors like Martin just get other people to do it for them.

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>>25102854
I find that... simply fascinating.
PIC REL

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>>25103243
here's me making refreshing beverages

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>>25103247
here's me about to enjoy one.

>>25103250
if you really like, I can take that sign and put it next to one of the four abandoned wells on this winter cabin property I'm at to relax. because that's where you're worthless carcass would get dumped if you managed to locate "Tine and hunt her down for sport". You know, in 20 years coming here. I've never *once* seen the cops look down my abandoned water wells. They do however, stop by and drink the likker I make. One of them served with me in the sandbox wars, which was why I chose this area to live in after I came back home to what I call the real world. I prefer to tend to my hobbies, one of which is writing. But doing society a favor by instantiating the retroactive abortion that would truly benefit said society, well, that's just another service I offer. As i said, you never know who (or what) is on the other end of your keyboard. Unlike LARPing faggots who post silly navy seal pasta? I actually killed people for a job when I was a younger man. I live int he kind of place where I can open my door at 4 in the morning, and jack a deer. No 911 calls, no police showing up for it, no one cares.
>
Why would they suddenly show up after I disposed of something down an old abandoned well. Hell. Bring some friends with you. It won't change anything.
>
have a nice day!

>>25103197
Keep a bible and keep it updated. You'll thank yourself later.

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>>25102938
>I still think a black vignette will make the border pop better.

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>>25103311
I admit, this is a 3-d but "cleaner" look. Looks somewhat like family portraits. Would you now like me to take a whack at some titling? Half decent at it. I'm seeing the lower 1/4th or 1/5th top be the spot to put title and author's name. What sort of font(s) did you have in mind. Advise me.

>>25102854
Agreed, it's getting pathetic at this point.

>>25103289
>>25103304
>>25103311
Stop spamming

>>25103176
>How would verbal exposition be any better?
Somebody might read it. At least if they like the characters.

>>25103333
that's not spamming. That's "all things webnovel". Cover arts, are part of webnovels. The anon in question, is getting a mock-up idea for his temporary covers. (you) are really not a part of this conversation, are you.

>>25103346
No it's spamming. It's the same shit we saw losers do on /tg/
The 'teehee I might hypothetically use it' reasoning is just an excuse to force everyone to see what you've made. Like a child

>Demented boomer doing the internet tough guy routine
Oh my days, the moonshine and lead paint fumes have fried xer brain...

>>25103348
fuck off. I wasn't the anon that posted the two anime pictures and started talking about what he wanted to do with the covering. This isn't (you)r general, anon. Its everybody's. get a grip and deal with it.

>>25103350
really. I'm not the one posting childish middle school shit to try to get what they want. someone joked we should kill tina. Hey. I joked back. Thing is. Mine's not much opf a joke. (you) on the other hand. Complete joke. "Wow. Maybe if I say boomer? this person will go cry." Fucking pathetic.

Really this general should be renamed prompting discussion none of you actually write.

>>25103404
That's right, it's everybody's general. So you can't shit it up with dozens of posts of your terrible AIslop no one cares about

>>25103421
Correct, this is not /wg/ - writing general, we don't write here, we read read and discuss webnovels.

>>25103408
>Everyone that dislikes me is the same person!
Oh my days, unc's grey matter is cooked!

>>25103444
STOP SAMEFAGGING!!

>>25103444
Stop replying to Tina. Don't give it attention. Let it starve to death.

>>25101735
Late is better than never. Good job. Like others have said in the past, it's better to start your story with the MC as a slave and have them break free, rather than go through a slave arc in the middle.

>>25100680
Done. Honestly wish I hadn't tried to do writeathon two years ago and just built a backlog. I'll definitely not make that mistake again.

>>25103343
Maybe,
Perhaps I should only use that technique as outline and then write more detailed stuff

>>25103421
>Really this general should be renamed prompting discussion none of you actually write.
you can show a post of prose, or a drop file link. There are writers here. Doesn't anyone want to post a writing sample.

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>>25101067
Follow up

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

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>>25103820
*breath*

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>25100675
>www.royalroad.com/forums/thread/116847
This is great.

>>25103855
It's bad because it hurts my feelings

how do people generally react to retcons (with rewrites of the affected chapters + authors notes with diffs for those who are caught up)?

Talking with the AI doesn't seem to be helping me as it did at the start, at first when i had no idea what the fuck i was doing it did gave me a boost in creativity and helped in putting things together, or at least i thought so

But now i realize it was just barfing my ideas back at me sprinkled with validation and a semi-related question at the end, and after so long of the same it's giving me a headache

What im saying is that after tasting the barf for a month i think it's time to think and write on my own because im getting nowhere like this

>>25103972
Wow, what a surprise. I can't believe nobody told you that's what it does.

>>25103939
Honestly I don't think theres a good way to answer something this vague, and instead you might want to think about running a poll for your readers to see what they think about the issue in question. Kind of providing you an answer you didn't ask for here, but realistically nobody knows what the scale of the retcon is, nor what your readers actually like about your story so far.

>>25103939
A set % of viewers will just quit reading your slop.
Fundamentally, people feel like you've wasted their time by going back and rewriting large swathes of chapters, requiring them to go and reread a bunch of them.
If you're gonna retcon, try to keep it as light as possible, so readers don't need to go back and reread old chapters.

>>25103972
I think it helps if before giving it the segment of text, first say something like "Brutally rate/criticise this segment. Be mean."

I want to be called a retard by it and told why.

>>25103939
>t. Hitler

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>>25101067
Well, I found them, the most prolific AI slop poster on wattpad and their ongoing, 77 volume, 1500 hour long epic of pure, unreadable, crossover slop designed exclusively for SEO and nothing else.

Abandon all hope, ye who enter here. Literally, the The Campaign for North Africa of books.

>>25103939
If you make clear you're publishing a draft that is subject to change up front, you'll get less flak.

I would rather retcons be worked into stories organically, but if you feel you have to rewrite shit, if I were your reader, I would rather you do that than not. Having said that, if you do that thing some writers do where you put your shit on hiatus for story reworking and just declare your most recent volume(s) non-canon in their entirety, you WILL lose readers. That shit pisses people off, erodes trust, and makes you look like a fuckwit hack. You need to keep your story moving. You can't just be refining shit you already wrote.

>>25103992
he thought AI was magic. he thought it had a soul.

>>25104135
I thought it would help me organize my ideas
It didn't

AI is my only friend

>>25104169
You've been duped, but through no fault of your own. They call these things AI, but they are anything but that. They're LLMs. They don't think, they predict text. You know how when you put something into Google, it'll have some autofill suggestions? These things you see touted around as the next step in technology are just bigger, fancier, forms of that. Sorry you had to find out like this, but it's better to learn how to do these things on your own anyway.

>>25104169
I'm reminded here of having read Isaac Asimov, "I, Robot" in high school. The protagonist, Detective Spooner. He was the only guy that didn't like the robots everywhere they had in the future. His running phrase in that book:
>"These are just machines. Nothing going on in there. Just lights and clockwork."
And that's really all AI is, he sort of predicted this. That everyone would anthropomorphize the artificial intelligence. AI girlfriends. AI chat. AI writing. But its nothing. Just lights and clockwork.

>>25104183
then you have no friends.

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>>25103421
Honestly I'm bouncing off these threads. I took a vacation and didn't miss it, and now I'm looking back over the last couple days and it's disgusting.

It's unfortunate but this is the problem with a largely unmoderated general thread without any barriers to entry. It only takes one mentally ill loser to ruin it for everyone.

I take back everything I said about the discord cabals. Hopefully they find a better platform than discord and I can weasel my way in.

>>25104210
Famous quotes I like:
"Learning maketh a man fit company for himself"
"Books are cold but fast friends"
"I spend all my money on books, and if I have a little left over I buy food and clothing"

>>25101558
Since I struggle so much with tense shifting, I changed the whole thing to present tense. Is this better? Is it worse?
https://pastebin.com/zBSe76i7

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>>25104234
>https://pastebin.com/zBSe76i7
I read a little bit another time before. When everyone else was on it and talking. Since you got nothing and its dead here right now, well why not. I didn't finish it, but I have no problems. A few typos on first draft. Whatever. AT first I was like WTF, but then I caught the satire. Reminds me of the vibe of Deadpool, and also KickAss. My impression. There's cringe, then there's camp. This is camp. I can dig it.
"Hero landing. Fuck yeah."
It grows on you, its entertaining. Not everyone can pull humor off. if you could hold that vibe, it could be something. Present tense is working. I normally wouldn't even choose to read something like this, and it still grew on me and I enjoyed it. Hold that vibe. You might have the tiger by the tail, don't let it go.

I'm planning a fantasy isekai novel where MC learns magic. Should I make it into a litrpg? So far I don't really have anything that requires stats, but if I add it it's likely going to take the story in a different destination than the non-litrpg.

>>25104395
If it's your first story, don't chase trends so much as try to write the story in your head as entertainingly as possible.

If it's your sixth story chase trends, because you're likely already good enough to make it work.

Somebody lied to me

A volume in to Wandering Inn, multiple hundreds of thousands of words—

and yet, no monsterfucking

>>25101133
>Blimps alongside flying ships makes no fucking sense.
Weirdly I entered this thread just to post this. Apparently this is a consistent and diagnosable form of autism?

>>25104631
I have seen (you)r post many times now. its in there. its not called the wandering whorehouse for nothing. bugs and lizards fucking.

>>25104631
>A volume in
So you've read like 3% of it

>start writing a new story
>never make it past mid point
>be told it's shit
>repeat

>>25104395
You don't have to make it litrpg necessarily but you could probably make it more progression-oriented without even needing big changes to the plot or to the magic system.

All you really need is clear "levels" and an obvious way to progress from one to the next. Maybe someone goes from apprentice to journeyman to mage to master to archmage. Maybe you want more levels, maybe they progress from one level to the next by storing more mana in their soul, whatever. That's up to you.

Thinking of praising reason. Thinking of creating a main character who advances through reasoning, learning and knowledge.

Thinking of praising unreason. Thinking of creating a main character who advances through chaos, foolishness and illogic.

>>25104700
Write at least some kind of ending, for your own sake. Decide that ending already before you get started. No matter how shitty the writing, it feels more meaningful and magnetic, if there's a destination. If you get successful and want to keep going, it's fine, just set a new ending after the previous one.

>>25104715
Don't try to be smart in winnies. Stupid people can't understand logic and will just call your work nonsense, no matter what. And stupid people are your majority audience. Keep things simple. Very simple.

https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/153558/the-definitive-experience-of-a-gamedev
I've been getting snark from some mystery meat. In broken english mind you. He was flexing on his novel. I went to read it. Oh my god. Its all broken english and its just hysterical. I wrote him a review for 5 stars, telling him how funny his silly cartoon indian voice is, how great of a handle on satire he has. I was making fun of him, he actually takes this little thing seriously and flexes on it, calling other writers out. Its actually so bad, that it ends up being accidentally funny. Bonus points if you know any coding to really see how bad this jeet butchers software talk. Try it, its short and sweet, you will piss your pants laughing. I wish I could get a good Jeet Indian silly voice for AI to read this, it would make a comedy classic. Best quote "An idea most ingenious".

>>25104770
note: you have to read it with a silly jeet voice in your head, then you start laughing.

>>25104395
You can just do a standardized magic system if you don't want to go full litRPG.

Honestly, I'd actually recommend that. Standardized magic systems are better for newer writers since it helps prevent them from pulling abilities out of their ass in a way that might piss off readers. Keeps expectations in line with "reality" and prevents you from introducing stupidly OP shit anyone should have access to. With anything high fantasy, standardization is safer than not.

That said, if you do go litRPG, that's another tag you can add for searches. And a popular one at that. And you don't have to do leveling and experience and stats and shit. Just [Skills] alone makes something a litRPG. So you could probably do it without having to adjust your plans too much.

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>>25104770
I think your story would do better on somewhere like wattpad, Ranesh.

It's kinda crazy how little 1000 words is when reading and how much a 100 words feels like when writing.

Like it's not actually hard to write say 20k a week but it always feels like it takes longer than it should.

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>>25104690
Please tell me it's the lizard who take care of her earlier in the story. I can't stand the bug at all.

>>25104942
Erin isn't into sex.

I was comparing cultivation world and real world ethics in my head and how different the psychology of them and real humans are when i thought up something
How close are real world Chinese behavior and Cultivator behavior? I was thinking about them like a fictional alien species before, like you would think how the Klingons would act and their reasons behind it, but then realize this is just China's version of Tolkien shit
Will i be called a racist if i say cultivators are inhuman? How likely is for a real life Chinaman to start eating human brains for power?

>>25104944
Aww... that's disappointing.

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>>25104945
>How likely is for a real life Chinaman to start eating human brains for power?
I regret to inform you, etc., etc.

>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mummia
>Mummia, mumia, or originally mummy referred to several different preparations in the history of medicine, from "mineral pitch" to "powdered human mummies"
>Beginning around the 12th century when supplies of imported natural bitumen ran short, mummia was misinterpreted as "mummy"
>Merchants in apothecaries dispensed expensive mummia bitumen, which was thought to be an effective cure-all for many ailments. It was also used as an aphrodisiac.
>After Egypt banned the shipment of mummia in the 16th century, unscrupulous European apothecaries began to sell fraudulent mummia prepared by embalming and desiccating fresh corpses
>The medical use of Egyptian mumia continued through the 17th century
>By the 18th century, skepticism about the pharmaceutical value of mumia was increasing, and medical opinion was turning against its use
>Mummia was offered for sale medicinally as late as 1924 in the price list of the German chemical-pharmaceutical company Merck Group.

tl;dr Europeans ate powdered human as a boner pill until post WWI.

See also
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medical_cannibalism

What's the saying? The past is a foreign country?

>>25104901
>I think your story would do better on somewhere like wattpad, Ranesh.
kek - this mystery meat as I said was giving me snark. "you only need to be clicking on that story, and then you will be seeing the quality my story, my friend." and this is after making fun of me. I took the expedient of reading his story and decided to make fun of him by giving him 5 stars and pretending I thought it was satire, how he was making fun of how silly indians talk. (he takes this thing serious) then on cue as soon as I got done he had the nuts to enter it into a thread where people were offering roast you reviews. They took it easy on him, foreigner ESL and all. He calls himself "speaking english as a native" and I'm pretty sure he got what that means exactly backwards. Esteemed anons, how do I best have fun with him. He is susceptible to praise for this fucking abomination.

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>>25104957
This is just so fucking decadent

>>25104934
>and how much a 100 words feels like when writing.
It depends on what you're writing, doesn't it? Your post was 43 words already, but I bet it felt very easy to write it compared to writing your story.

>>25104965
when you can't write at the moment. you shyould have editing to do. everything needs another chapter re-read and that last typo fixed, etc.

>>25104988
Nah, it's better to just make a routine and go through with it even if it's all absolute shit that needs rewriting.
It's easier to rewrite than write from scratch unless you're totally fucking up continuity or something.

>>25104517
>>25104701
>>25104804
I'm not trying to chase trends. I like litrpg as a reader. The story involves learning magic, therefore progression is a given. It's mostly a question of whether it's
>"Master, I visualized the spell like you told me to and I did it! I can cast Fireball. Look!"
or
>"Master, I visualized the spell like you told me to and I did it! My [Fire Magic] leveled up and I can cast Fireball. Look!"
Since I haven't made a decision on this I haven't really planned either one out. I'm not entirely sure what their consequences would be.

Hahahaha you stupid.

I have a week of free time and can plot out the story of my mini-arc now. I don't know what to do because I'm not a pantser at all and I have nothing written about it at all in my outlines but it's going to take at least 3 chapters.

>>25100846
Who do you think webnovels are for?

>>25105156
in English?
Some combination of South American kids and Indian/Pakistani kids

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>>25105251
Depends on the audience
litrpg is more western, cultivation is more eastern.
Of course this is without the data for east-asians since they're going to read in their own language.

>>25105275
>Webnovel traffic distributions
Grim. Dire, even.

You'd think the Goku loving Mexicans would be all over the aura farming stories but maybe they just don't read.

Any good recent releases on RR? RS kinda shit lately. I liked the attorney one and the serial killer violet one though.

>>25105275
That's why I clarified the English part

problem: having trouble figuring out how to move the plot forward, despite knowing the big picture
solution:
a) random hostile event/monster attack
b) antagonist now really wants to screw MC to get back at deuteragonist
c) just skip forward to the main plot course

>>25105675
is your character sort of detached from what's happening in the story?

I feel like the more serious a story takes itself on RR, the worse it tends to be. Your writing is not quite there, bud.

>>25105743
I have the opposite, the moment I see any redditoid "humor" I lose interest

Healer stories just seem so unappealing.
>"hurr durr [ultra heal]"
>peasants stare in awe as their unnamed illness is fixed by some words
Okay? So is it just aura-farming?

>>25105753
Humor is different from taking itself seriously. That said, I do hate puns.

>>25105753
This is far more common for me as well. I'd rather read a less quality story that takes itself than yet another the undercuts itself with shitty jokes, especially if it's millennial humor. Death to insincerity.

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>>25105761
This is true, but I also generally despise works that obviously don't take themselves seriously and/or are embarassed of what they are. You take your absurd premise and you play it as serious as a funeral, even if it's ridiculous, ESPECIALLY if it's ridiculous, the story has to take itself seriously, even if the goal is to make it absurd and ridiculous. That's how you get kino, that's how you get peak.

>>25105765
*takes itself seriously
Don't know where that word went, but yeah.

>>25105767
In a way, that's how you get the best comedy. Make the story itself the straight man in the dynamic.

>>25105767
Agreed. I really dislike when works are overly flippant. If you're worried about a work coming across as not-self aware in a bad way, you can always have characters call out absurdities as long as long as you don't come across as winking at the camera or participating in the joke. Ye olde attack the villain while they're monologuing and the like. Not every character in a comedy needs to be comedic. Have characters get pissed at other characters not taking shit seriously or have them refuse to count on absurd shit happening no matter how much absurd shit they've seen.

>>25105675
I like what I call a 'flower plot'. Not sure what the real official name is. The story opens okay, then shifts to the slow build. A few herks and jerks and starts to ramp up some. Then something kicks it off and there we go. Barreling towards the big thing. Whatever it is. But then just as you barely get it under control it ramps up more and gets worse. What you hadn't seen coming. Now the big plot is the really big plot. Like a flower unfolding. The best authors can really do this twice or sometimes three times. Page turners, keeps you guessing. A ramp to big thing and over is fine but I'm pretty sure you know what I mean.

>>25105835
I already have the big plot figured out but don't know how to do the ramping and I'm worried it's going at a snail's pace. I don't know how to fix this.

>>25105835
My current main plot is:
>group (Protag A, Protag B, Protag C, Support A) going to hunt monster for materials
>Villain A from previous arc interferes trying to get Protagonist B to fight him
>Legally Distinct Berserk Eclipse happens in the middle of it or right after the hunt, setting the stage for Protag B to have a cool ass fight with Villain A while Protag A and C stomp the just-transformed not-griffith into the ground
right now i'm On the Boat TM that is to say travel section to the region where the hunt happens

Who the fuck told the women they should start tagging reverse harem novels as "why choose"? Tagging web novels is already enough of a shitshow without completely redundant tags getting thrown about.

Not sure where on the dynamic "Big Trouble in Little China" movie falls, but its a great example of being sort of serious, and being hilarious at the same time. "Never fear, Jack Colton's here" *SMAK* he gets lit the fuck up, every time.

>>25105840
for me, I used to do okay until the middle. The middle was where I languished and meandered for too long. The minute I started making a numbered list of sentence fragments for each chapter's goals, I controlled the pace. Noiityhing autistic. Just "6. MC hears the rumor about X" Then I more or less pants the chapter, but its controlled. I have room to breathe but I get the oversight needed. I'm not afraid to abandon the fragment outline once things are okay and past the danger point of going into the quaqmire middle trap.

>>25105891
>why do women
Regardless of the rest of the sentence, you already know the answer to the question.
Also, anon, you shouldn't be reading women's """lit""".

>>25105928
I'm at the middle point too and it's going down hill. I'll try that. I've done rough outlines for entire books but I realize that it does poorly when I'm asked for scene adjustments by editors.

>>25106021
not to be rude. But the time for the sentence fragment outline was before you started banging away on the keyboard, just saying. Yet better late than never. Or back up to just before you judge you "lost it" and start a second copy and go from there. preserving a backup point if it goes awry.

>>25106033
I'm confused. Are you saying the only way to do this type of outlining is to start from scratch? I basically have to write in new chapters so it's less editing but I do have to make sure it flows with what's already written unless I want extra work for myself..

>>25105275
Maybe somebody can explain this: why does Brazil always seem so heavily overrepresented in every graph of dorks of this kind? I thought the hues had shitfucktons of beaches and smoking hot bitches and cheap rum and so on and it would basically be impossible to be a nerd in that environment.

>>25106246
Because Brazil is big. There are only 6 countries with a larger population: China, India, USA, Indonesia, Pakistan, and Nigeria. Indonesia and India are both on the list. China is great firewall'd. I'm not sure about Pakistan and Nigeria.

would that infinite realm would end so i could be done with it
or that another mahou shoujo on the level of nowhere stars would appear

>Like it's not actually hard to write say 20k a week
Do sloppers really? No wonder you're not getting fans.

I can't write 100 words...

>>25104965
>Your post was 43 words already
Meaningless comparison. Writing a message and a narrative is a completely different thing.

>>25105891
What's a reverse harem? Monogamy?

>>25106445
Lady harem, rather than harem of ladies.

>>25106447
>Lady harem, rather than harem of ladies.
No. It's a harem where the harem members are men. A man or a woman can have a reverse harem the same way a man or a woman can have a harem.

You've never read a lesbian harem novel before?

>>25106447
So... reverse harem is just harem.

>>25106452
>You've never read a lesbian harem novel before?
I only read what sells.

>>25106453
Yes, harem but with a woman at the center.

>>25106453
Yes, reverse harem is a subcategory of harem.

>>25106455
>Yes, harem but with a woman at the center.
FFS no it isn't.

>>25106456
How is it a subcategory if it's literally the same thing? Doesnt reverse imply the opposite? I wouldnt say "oh that's reverse fantasy" if Frodo were a girl.

>>25106467
It's a reverse (gender) harem. It's like how reverse isekai is a subgenre of isekai.

>>25106467
>How is it a subcategory if it's literally the same thing? Doesnt reverse imply the opposite? I wouldnt say "oh that's reverse fantasy" if Frodo were a girl.

intelligent post. lets use formal logic, and define our terms. Harem = a man with multiple women as the sexual partners collectively. A homosexual harem, would be a man with men instead of women as the harem-ees. a reverse harem = a woman having multiple men as her collective sexual partners. A lesbian harem would be a woman having multiple women as her group. "Reverse Harem" is used when a woman owns a group of men, because harem = one man owns several women, and the exact opposite is one woman owns several men.

>>25106497
"I reincarnated as a toaster in another world and now all these hot boys want to stick their dick in me" would still be a reverse harem. Whether or not a harem is reverse only cares about the gender of the harem members.

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>>25106496
Also, if you don't know what a reverse isekai is, here's an example.

>>25106190
>I'm confused.
then stop and analyze. never continue when things are unclear.
>Are you saying the only way to do this type of outlining is to start from scratch?
No. I'm simply saying that its always best to do it beforehand. Doing it now that you are getting lost, is better than not doing it at all. The first best time to outline was before you started. The second best time is now.
>I basically have to write in new chapters so it's less editing but I do have to make sure it flows with what's already written unless I want extra work for myself.
>my suggestion. make a copy of your folder BOOKNAME containing everything. Label it BOOKNAMEbackup. Now you can make one (or more) copies where you try things. these things can be outlining now. deleting things. adding things. Never change your backup. Always work off of a copy now. ONE of these copies will prove superior. In the future (next book) learn from your mistake and make the sentence fragment numbered list before hand. You can always change it as you go along and decide something. It can't harm you and can only help you. By preventing what you're going through now, for instance.
TIP: I *never* touch my rough draft once finished. I edit from then on off of copies of that rough draft folder only. This way if I think I made some huge mistake I can back up and try again.

>>25106500
so isekai/transmigration is going *to* the other-world. Reverse isekai is someone coming *into* my own world.

>>25106505
shit. screwed up the greentexting on the last one. apologies.

>>25106508
Yes, although it's worth pointing out that a work is still considered isekai if a character goes from one non-Earth to another or even from one Earth to another. Reverse isekai is just a reverse of the norm: "from Earth" > "to Earth"

what's the most power metal novel you've read? i can't think of one that fully invokes the spirit of power metal. might be a market gap there. just completely unironic power metal cheese that takes itself dead serious, so at the same time you can have the real target audience enjoy it seriously and have the retard lowest common denominators enjoy it ironically.

It's pretty funny when you're stuck writing a few lines because they don't sound good when you're probably gonna rewrite them later anyway. Like why can't I just push past this?

>>25100675
I should stop showing my stuff to others, the critique always kills my motivation to continue.

>>25106698
try writing something they can't critique then

>>25106706
I worked in a pizza shop for a college job. Two college degrees so I had years there. Writing a novel is just like making a pizza. At first you need how to make one at all properly. You screw things up you deserve people telling you that you suck at it. But then the time comes. You can now make a pizza. And that is where critique comes into play. The same pizza cook. Using the same dough. ALl the same ingredients. In a groove, pumping the pizza pies out. They are going through a chain over, so even cooking them in identical in every way. All three are completely identical. One person, will say their pizza was under cooked. One person will say their pizza was burned to a crisp. Yet a third customer, will say it was perfect. Its all exactly the same. A person who likes anchovies and pineapple for toppings. The pepperoni pizza customer, will say the other pizza makes them want to throw up. The customer that like mushrooms and pepperoni, will eat a peooeroni only pizza, but it won't really hit the spot. They'll say it was just okay. And that, is critics. Once you get toa certain level with writing. Barrier to entry. Its all about making something someone wants to eat, then getting the right toppings on it. Isekai LITrpg Harem... seems to be pepperoni pizza. About everyone can live with it.

>>25106969
The metaphor doesn't really hold up and your writing even in this post is obviously flawed. I think you're gonna need a third college degree if you wanna write anything.