pentoshi shores editionASOIAF wiki: https://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Main_PageBlog: https://georgerrmartin.com/notablog/Old blog: https://grrm.livejournal.com/So Spake Martin (interviews): https://westeros.org/citadel/ssm/Book search: https://asearchoficeandfire.com/SSM search: https://cse.google.com/cse?cx=006888510641072775866:vm4n1jrzsdyGeneral search: http://searcherr.work/TWOW samples: https://archive.org/details/411440566-the-winds-of-winter-released-chaptersold: >>25086872
First for Aemon Steelsong.First for Aemon Battleborn. First for the little wildling prince.
Where the fuck is Marwyn the Mage at? Is he one of the people Quaithe warned Dany about? Is he in league with Quaithe? Glass candle buddies?
Walk with me, my sweet summer child, and hear the tale of fat pink masts jutting into sopping wet myrish swamps and black nipples brushing against silk until her cunt became the world while in the privy the princess guzzled arbor gold and shat but the more she drank the more she shat until she was shitting brown water and around her the planks of the ship groaned like a fat man taking a shit while she cursed the gods and nuncle smiled as he broke his fast on black bread, bacon burned black, and mulled wine while capon-grease dribbled down his chin and onto the boiled leather of his jerkin for she was wet with love and did she not know words are wind and dark wings bring dark words and a lannister always pays her debts and mayhaps this is nothing but a mummers farce and useless as nipples on a breastplate and the princess has been fucking lancel and moonboy for all nuncle knows and he is the blood of the dragon for the night is dark and full of terrors but where do whores go and jon snow knows nothing and winter is coming and near enough makes no matter so nuncle smiled and dipped the heel of his bread into clam chowder and prayed for half a hundred more heh har HODOR
>Yeah, I'll skip the Dorne adventure because while fun, it's unnecessary. I'll leave it to the readers' imagination while showing the next important adventure. Otherwise I'll never finishI miss the old George, the actually writes George.
Dornish and Summer Island girls are BUILT for BIG VALYRIAN COCK
Dunk and Egg S1 was a really good adaptation and I think you guys should watch it
>>25104498George wrote A Storm of Swords in 8 monthsThat version of George is still in there somewhere and could come back at any moment to wrap up the last 500 pages of Winds and 1500 pages of A Dream of Spring in a single year.
>Queen Ceryse Hightower was a noblewoman from House Hightower and was the daughter of Lord Manfred Hightower of Oldtown.>Ceryse and Maegor were wed in 25 AC. The ceremony was held at the Starry Sept of Oldtown, with Ceryse's uncle, the High Septon, performing the rites.>Maegor boasted to having consummated the marriage a dozen times the night of the wedding, and those who had seen the bedding agreed that Maegor was a lusty husband.>Ceryse was twenty-three, whereas Maegor was thirteen years old.I don't know why GRRM wastes so much wordcount on young girls getting perved on by crusty old men, when he should be writing way more of this.
>>25104498>>25104649writing gurm will come back in 2028/2029 when democrats are in full power again.
>>25104648>>25104649I wish in my heart of hearts that George would see the massively positive response his story is getting and be inspired to write more! People love this old fat eccentric’s stories… it’s remarkable, there’s really nothing like it… but I’m all out of hopium.
>>25104709lmaowere they taking a dig at gurm?
>>25104740most definitely
AKOTSK has revitalized George. Seeing the colors and adaption and the reception towards it will see grrm hit a new stride
>>25104986>only watch bits of the show>read the books>Westeros is actually one of the most vividly colourful fantasy countries that ink has put to paperyou can really tell how, despite his misgivings with some of Tolkien's stuff, specifically the lack of nuance in certain aspects of the story that weren't important to Tolkien at the time, George really was inspired by that level of fantasy and tried to emulate it through a different lense and he did really wellI really hope in a few years time, maybe a few decades, HBO tried GoT again, but this time follows the story closely and brings in brighter colours and more accurate armors
>>25104709george admittedly self inserts as samwell, he's no knight. therefore the books will remain unfinished.
Why do these threads exist?Every single minitheory about every single possible plotpoint/mystery has been thoroughly discussed in other parts of the internet for the last 15 years.Why purpose do these threads even serve? Martin will also probably die of a diabetic heart attack before he finishes anything anyway. What's the point of all this?
>>25105054It's so colorful that I legit could not help but imagine everything as anime when I first read the books.
>>25104439
Sex with Visenya
>>25105078Because we believe, and the series is large enough to warrant consistent new readers who will clog up the board with their shitty takes, and our shittier responses.
>>25104648There's a couple of weird changes I'm not too sold on but yeah better than HOTD and the latter half of GOT for sure.
>>25106314>There's a couple of weird changes I'm not too soldAll the stuff from the book was great, all the stuff cooked up by HBO and their hack showrunner was shit.
Shouldn't the main story be nine books instead of seven?
>>25106360Would've make George's writing blocks non-existent desu. Dance also feels more like the midpoint of the series rather than a prelude to the climatic finaleUnfortunately George is a stubborn fat boomer and is adamant on finishing it within 2 books for some queer reason.
>>25106378If he had another four books to write there'd be even less hope of him finishing than there is now.
>>25106360The show should've been called The Hedge Knight. I can't get over how shit of a title AKOTSK is
>>25106383they're just futureproofing it i guess, since dunk eventually becomes lord commander of the kingsguard supposedly halfway thru the novellas (if george would stop being a LAZY FAT FUCK and just writes them all like he promised)
kek another win for maester chadslooks like they will have nothing to do with the tragedy at summerhall and it'll be egg going full dany instead
>>25106381Not really, as far as we know, the main problem hindering George right now is tying together the hundreds of mini plotpoints he's scattered all throughout Westeros & Essos, and also the fact that so many of our MCs (Stark Children, Dany etc) are still literal children.Having more books to space things out, and also to introduce a much-needed timeskip (that George has said he always wanted to do) would literally solve everything. But he's stubborn, and probably also has sunk-cost fallacy because he's spent 15 years trying to tie everything together within 2 books, so he won't do it. Therefore he'll remain stuck and demotivated until he dies. Because he knows he wrote himself into a corner.
>>25106417The 5 year timeskip doesn't work with too many major characters at this point, especially JonCon, Stannis, Cersei, Jaime, and the Greyjoys. Neither of them can just sit on their ass for five years, waiting for the kid POVs to grow up.
>>25106405That's what I like about the title Hedge Knight. It'd be a reminder of his humble origins contrasting with all the Blackfyres and wars and honors he gets tied up in.
>>25106434>Dunc: Hey Targaryen, wanna trade belts?>Aerion: Well... Not really, cos yours is just a piece of braided cord...>Egg: Hey Dunc, he's ragging on your cord!>Dunc: Get 'imBut the maesters won't let you hear this part of the story.
>>25106424That's why more books = better, which was exactly my point. He can have more leeway to leave certain younger characters out completely (Arya, Bran, Sansa etc) and progress the books at a much faster pace (1 book takes place in a span of 1-2years).
>>25106405"The Hedge Knight" works as an even better title in that circumstance, Lord Commander of the Kingsguard, the highest honor in Westeros for a knight, and he is but a Hedge Knight
>>25106483He stops being the Hedge Knight when he stops sleeping in hedges.
>>25106504you can take the knight out of the hedge, but you can't take the hedge out of the knight
Let's say Robert never asks Ned to be hand. So everyone is living in peace, Jon goes off to join the Night's Watch, and is killed some time later in a wildling raid or something. Would Ned confide in Catelyn that Jon wasn't actually his son? Or would he continue the charade even after Jon's existence is no longer an issue?
>>25105078I bet you never heard of this theory before: The Others are basically shadowmagicked mechs piloted by Children of the Forest, and the entirety of ASOIAF is secretly an Evangelion reference.
>>25106676someone has already made a 2hr video on your theory buddy, you're not specialhttps://youtu.be/kcNa964eP7Q?si=ssuE4oaeVt_YEDPA
>>25106650Jon wouldn't go to the Night's Watch if Ned remained in the norf.
>>25106687Ok what the fuck. I swear I've never told anyone else or seen anyone talk about this little headcanon of mine anywhere, now you're telling me some fag already made a 100min video talking about it?At least he doesnt say it's Evangelion inspired like I do, but still..
>>25104649>That version of George is still in there somewhereAbsolutely not. George’s writing office isn’t even in his home anymore. He mentions it offhandedly in his Hollywood Reporter interview, that he has two properties now in Santa Fe so his writing office isn’t where he lives.Clearest sign he absolutely doesn’t give a shit and is just giving himself excuses.
The place with the red door and lemon tree is Starfall.
https://youtu.be/mtxN6G3Tvcg?si=C7aXVJfZ-DKNfRfw
Anyone familiar with the snails that get infected with a parasite that compels them to climb up to the tops of plants to get eaten by birds? It was the inspiration for the Las Plagas in Resident Evil 4. I'm beginning to think that Bloodraven is in that snail's position. He has the unique confluence of Dragonlord magic, meaning the magical mind bond with terrific chimera, and First Men magic, the ability to communicate in nonlinear time. The result is Bloodraven gets a direct hotline with the ageless Old Gods in the North, that normally lay dormant. They hijack Bryndon, he is not even aware he is possessed. If he was just any First Man, they would only possess him alone. However he is Targaryen, so they use him as a conduit to compel ALL Targaryens before and during his existence. Aegon and his brood receive the Old God messages through Bloodraven, but at too low a resolution they misinterpret the dreams. Or to put it another way, different neural networks are communicating, badly, but one clearly is trying to consume the other. Bloodraven is a means to an end, his unique talents are not enough for restoring the Long Night, so Bloodraven's mission is to get Bran into the consciousness. Bran is the Stark with the most potent greensight in over 8000 years, he can deliver all the men to the Old Gods.Bran is elected king, but we do not know if Bran is really Bran or if Bran is just host to the Old Gods gestalt consciousness. GRRM is enough of a baby boomer that he wants categorical seizure of the power structure rather than a genuine paradigm shift ("It's OK when I do it" and "Rules for thee, not for me"), so his idea of King Bran as a "bittersweet" ending is the magical medieval police state. If GRRM actually wanted to be subversive to 21st century sensibilities and not 1980s sensibilities, he'd have Bran kill Bloodraven before the full transfer. Bran stays Bran, but with the greensight, this is the "sweet" in "bittersweet."
>>25107282>I’ll have to give my bastards a PRRRRROMOTION!
If you ask me, most of the important conflicts in Westeros, if not the world, are just a proxy war in a feud between Brackens and Blackwoods
>>25107244I wonder if Jon will offhandedly mention he was taken care of by a woman named Wylla, and Dany will then unlock a dormant memory of herself also being cared for by a Wylla at the house of the red door. It makes sense that the Daynes would take care of a second set of hidden Targ children if Ned told him who the baby he brought really was. And then Dany could go to them and seek Wylla out to confirm Jon's true identiy as Rhaegar's son.
>>25107303didnt read allat but i told grok to finna make him a real blud and he finna did it #based #tuff
>>25108358>Tyrone Rivers, called Lord Bludraven, was the bastard son of King Aegon IV Targaryen by his sixth mistress, Lady Melissa BLACKEDwood.
>>25107303>Resident Evil 4We should petition to Georgie and WB, blending ASOIAF games with the mechanics of the Nemesis system from Shadow of Mordor/War. Let’s unpack it a bit and sketch how such a scenario could be core setup.>Isekai Viserys III: Instead of the tragic, bitter prince, you reimagine him (or her, in your twist) as transported into a Nemesis-style world where rivalries, betrayals, and procedurally generated enemies shape the narrative. Prologue shows him as squire of black hearts.>Female counterpart of Viserys in Dorne: This adds a cultural and political twist. Dorne’s traditions of gender equality and independence could give her more agency than the original Viserys ever had. Training under legendary white bull of the kingguards.>Starting in Pentos: A perfect launch point — a free city with mercantile wealth, political intrigue, and connections to both Essos and Westeros.>Founding a city in the Axe Peninsula: That’s bold. The Axe (between the Rhoyne and the Gulf of Grief) is rugged and contested, so founding a city there would immediately trigger Nemesis-style rivalries with local tribes, pirates, and rival houses.
>>25107303
>>25104343What if Viserys stay in Pentos?
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>>25108604-and joined sellswords company, and set out established new free city in axe peninsula (gathering settler, craftsman, merchant, fisherman in land once inhabit by the Andal), economic development on seagulls/pigeon dropping and salt mining etc
>>25108687Freys cunt get blacked
if asoiaf was a manga who would you want to draw it?>hardmode: no miura
>>25108757the vagabond mangakaforgot his name
Daily reminder of: FUCK GEORGE
It’s been like a decade since I’ve read the books and I stopped at Feast. But Knight of Seven Kingdoms is making me want to jump back in.
>>25108757pre 2010's Tsutomu Nihei I like Tower Dungeon, but his artstyle has significantly declined since Blame!
>>25108838Dance is the highest highs and lowest lows of the series for me.I think I’d enjoy it much more now but at the time, I couldn’t stomach any of the Dany and Tyrion chapters, they felt interminable. Even Jon’s story was soporific.So what I’m saying is only I liked Asha and Davos essentially.
>I liked Asha
>>25108742Viserys was too stupid and arrogant to do anything on his own.
Asha is the romantasy PoV
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1uYQLEPkjwGeorge isn't there anymore
>>25108757Shinichi Sakamoto
>>25109058No. He is. He’s just checked out.
>>25108997That why GRRM pro-feminists ruin him.
bl-ACK
>>25107119>he has two properties now in Santa Fe so his writing office isn’t where he lives.I remember reading that his office is in his house and when he got the payout from HBO for GoT, he bought his neighbor's house to store all his stuff.
>>25109918>lazy fattyHis neighbors shouldn’t sold own house
>>25108997Can’t say same for Jon (s6-8) and Stannis (s5)
My prediction on how Others will be defeated is that they push past the Wall and victory is literally impossible. But the main heroes, Jon + other warriors form a suicide squad and they go beyond the wall to Heart of Winter where there's something there that creates the Others. A meteorite or a Magic tree or something. South has to hold out as long as possible to give Suicide Squad enough time. POV's show different battles and they die one by one with Winterfell being a big one. Possibly the final one or the Isle of Faces. It's all very LOTR but it makes sense. Definitely Tormund and maybe Val because they know how to navigate beyond the wall. I think this is where the show got their Suicide Squad episode from but they in their infinite wisdom put in the wrong spot. They changed the rock hunt into wight hunt.Now here comes the other big theory. There's so much foreshadowing about East and the series is big on parallels so I think if there's a Heart of Winter, there must be a Heart of Fire. Dany can fly across the world in days and she can transport a small group with her so the page count won't be a problem. I've seen some retards wonder how we will have time to go Ea- she flies you fucking morons. Either Melisandre or Bran or both will her to go. When she gets there we will discover that either the Heart of Fire is still active and both Hearts must be destroyed and we will have TWO suicide squads. One North, one East. Asshai is guarding the Heart while the Wall guards the other. They keep the evil at bay. Or maybe the Heart of Fire was destroyed last time and that allowed the Others to be defeated but not permanently. You gotta take out both Hearts. In this version Asshai are, I guess just hanging out by the Heart. Maybe an old cult who's forgotten the truth like The Night's Watch and Bran has to time travel for the knowledge. Either way, Dany flies East to either learn or to destroy the Heart and taking out both will end magic and return normal seasons. I fully expect green seers and skinchangers to come to an end so Bran has to give up his magical powers to win. He will be just a regular boy king by the end.The final sentence of the series will be "We must go forward" talking about leaving all these cycles of vengeance and anger and magic behind and create a new era which is obviously symbolized by spring.
>>25110368Let's get really fuckass. Jon and Dany are the main leaders by this point. They leave Bran in charge because he's wise or some shit. It parallels the beginning with him at Winterfell. And just like last time, people don't come back. Both Suicide Squad's die sacrificing themselves for victory. With both Jon and Dany dead, Bran becomes king because they chose him. Someone threatens rebellion but the most powerful forces are Dany and Jon's armies combined. North, Vale and Dorne who are at near full strength, Riverlands, Unsullied and Dothraki. Westerlands have lost their armies and gold so they can't fight. Iron Islands probably won't have fleets left. Stormlands and Reach might try something but I'm guessing something will happen later that will bring them into the fold.Bran parallels Hour of the Wolf. No one has the troops nor the will left to contest so the series ends with peace at the cost of a broken child on the throne. He's gonna marry someone but who? Maybe Myrcella survives and is his queen. I can't think of any other girls who could secure peace.
>mindbreaks an entire fanbase
After being convinced to let Egg go with Dunk in hopes he might turn out better than Daeron and Aerion, was Maekar ultimately satisfied with the man that Egg became?
What do fans generally thing about the Blackfyres and their shenanigans?
>>25108997>>25109018He need pirates tomboy bad pussy
>>25111079Lame and gay just like the house they're an offshoot of.
Jonsa status?
Joy Hill status?
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>>25111079That Bittersteel was a seething retard, but a very, very based one.> All the skulls were grinning, even Bittersteel’s on the tall pike in the center. What does he have to grin about? He died defeated and alone, a broken man in an alien land. On his deathbed, Ser Aegor Rivers had famously commanded his men to boil the flesh from his skull, dip it in gold, and carry it before them when they crossed the sea to retake Westeros. His successors had followed his example. (aDwD, The Lost Lord, aka JonCon I)>Bittersteel eluded capture and escaped once again, only to emerge a few years later in the Disputed Lands, fighting with his sellswords in a meaningful skirmish between Tyrosh and Myr. Ser Aegor Rivers was sixtynine years of age when he fell, and it is said he died as he had lived, with a sword in his hand and defiance upon his lips. Yet his legacy would live on in the Golden Company and the Blackfyre line he had served and protected. (tWoIaF – The Targaryen Kings: Aegon V)
>>25111461>a broken man in an alien land>it is said he died as he had lived, with a sword in his hand and defiance upon his lipsDoesn't sound broken...
To this day I don't understand why the bastard name for Iron Islanders is "Pyke" instead of "Salt"You could maybe make it work if they named them after the island they were from (and all bastards from Great/Old Wyk just being called "Wyk") but I think Salt makes the most sense.
>>25111561Every bastards last name start with s.
>>25111582>Hill>Waters>Flowers>Rivers
>Reynard sent terms for surrender to Tywin, stating that the Reynes would be loyal vassals in return for Tywin's brothers serving within Castamere as hostagesWhy did the Reynes make such ridiculous demands even when their armies were annihilated and their last castle under siege?
>>25111603Probably too much ale and wine?
>>25108888I’m always pleasantly surprised to turn a page and see Davis there. Bran chapters are my favourite
>>25111603got too cocky from dealing with Tywin's bitch father Tytos who rolled over for anything and anyone
>>25112134>The heads of Walderan and his sons were impaled on spears, and led the march onto Tarbeck HallWouldn't this have made it obvious to them that they were dealing with a different kind of lion?
>>25104654A dualistic, Manichean conflict of Good and Evil, just as Gurm intended.And I still can't remember which house is wich. Only that he hate sone and loves the other.
>>25111079It was so Peake.
Why is GRRM so racist and problematic?
>>25113571George isn't racist at all.Niggardly, and other nigger and negro variations are just fun words to say. People are so damn obsessed with it. It's so fun that black people absolutely refuse to give it up and even try to bogart it lmao. I wish people would just move on from this shit. It's not going anywhere, it's becoming more popular, get comfortable with calling each other nigga.
>the plan to retrieve rickon is explained in detail on pageSo it's going to fail?
>>25113571It gaming phrase
>>25108888Reek and Connington were the high points of Dance.
>>25113358you'd be surprised how stupid people can really be when denial is a factor
I just lack the incentive to continue reading Clash of Kings knowing that the Winds of Winter is nowhere in sight. Like I love this universe and have a desire to jump back into it, but not strong enough to shrug off the fact that I would be starting something that will never have a resolution.
>>25114853Watch the show for the resolution
The Hedge Knight > The Mystery Knight > The Sworn Sword
What killed the hype?
>Aaahhhh, Ser Anon, care for a piece of pork pie? The best pie you have ever tasted, my lord. Wash it down with Arbor gold and savor every bite. I know I shall.
WINDS NEVER EVER
>>25115820Imagine being so high on getting revenge you will literally eat (and savour) a person. And a greasy Frey no less.
>>25115837Revenge is a dish best served baked.
>>25115723Based tourney appreciator
Arya and Sansa are going to be the next Bittersteel and Bloodraven re: Jon and BranWhat a coincidence that Arya is set up to collect the trinkets of Stark legitimacy from Stoneheart, Robb's crown, Robb's will, and half of the sword Ice, just like Aegon IV gave the sword to Daemon Blackfyre and Illyrio to Aegon VI.
I’ve only watched the show so I’m sorry if this is a stupid question but do swords actually make that much of difference?I know people say Arthur Dwayne and Barristan Selma were the best swordfighters of their day.I see a lot of people say they’re evenly matched unless Dayne is wielding Dawn. I know it’s some meteor sword but does it really change the outcome a fight just because youre using your space sword?
Benjen will be named King in the North in Winds
>>25104343Want to re-read the first book, and go through the rest of the series, which Dany chapters should I skip?
>>25106417>>25106424I think GRRM should just rewrite the series at this point, retcon anything that's gotten him stuck up to this point, then finish the story. Only way I see him ever finishing.
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>>25111079>>25111461
>>25116033It does. Valyrian Steel is much sharper, yet lighter than normal steel. Valyrian weapons also seemingly have a life of their own, Jon is the only POV who has fought with a Valyrian sword, and when he fights with it, his body seemingly automatically moves to parry and strike before his brain can even process it.Dawn's magical powers on the other hand, we do not know specifically. But it's as sharp, if not, sharper than Valyrian Steel. When Arthur Dayne knighted Jaime, a slight touch of the blade on his shoulder was enough to cut through Jaime's mail + leather tunic and make him bleed. As far as we know, Valyrian Steel is extremely sharp, but still nowhere as descriptively sharp as Dawn is.So yeah, in terms of sharpness, Dawn > Valyrian Steel > everything else. But in terms of magic it's hard to say.
>>25116033>>25116292>his body seemingly automatically moves to parry and strike before his brain can even process itI also forgot to add that this allows the Valyrian Steel wielder to battle through fatigue. The body and mind may be tired to move or think how to move, but the blade will do it for you so it doesnt matter.It's probably also how and why Daemon Blackfyre and Gwayne Corbray were able to fight nonstop for an hour straight, since both were using Valyrian Swords. It's also one of the few rare duels in the entire history of Westeros where 2 Valyrian swordsman fought (that we know so far), and their fight was basically legendary to the common people.Valyrian Steel against Valyrian Steel is pretty much like watching 2 superheroes duel in the ASOIAF universe.
>>25116292>He was better than Pyg, but he had only a short throwing spear, and she had a Valyrian steel blade. Oathkeeper was alive in her hands. She had never been so quick. The blade became a grey blur. He wounded her in the shoulder as she came at him, but she slashed off his ear and half his cheek, hacked the head off his spear, and put a foot of rippled steel into his belly through the links of the chain mail byrnie he was wearing.
>>25116011Arya will be a queen just like her wolf's namesake. It is known.
>>25116345Brienne needed to swing at full force with Oathkeeper to cut thru mail; Arthur only lightly touched Jaime and he cut thru mail with Dawn.It's really not the same. IMO the only thing Valyrian Steel has going for it over Dawn is that it also enhances the wielder's fighting capabilities. We haven't seen anything in text that describes Dawn doing the same for its wielder (yet).
preston jacobs is an absolute FAGGOT and im tired of people quoting his fanfic videos as fact
>>25116361Do you think Nymeria will mate with a lesser wolf from her pack or save herself for Ghost?
>>25116435>It had been years since his last vigil. And I was younger then, a boy of fifteen years. He had worn no armor then, only a plain white tunic. The sept where he'd spent the night was not a third as large as any of the Great Sept's seven transepts. Jaime had laid his sword across the Warrior's knees, piled his armor at his feet, and knelt upon the rough stone floor before the altar. When dawn came his knees were raw and bloody. "All knights must bleed, Jaime," Ser Arthur Dayne had said, when he saw. "Blood is the seal of our devotion." With dawn he tapped him on the shoulder; the pale blade was so sharp that even that light touch cut through Jaime's tunic, so he bled anew. He never felt it. A boy knelt; a knight rose. The Young Lion, not the Kingslayer.
lovey-dovey bed-breaking baby-making sex.with mya stone.
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>>25116744I stand corrected. Could've sworn I remembered Jaime was in mail and leather in the text.
>>25116292>But in terms of magic it's hard to say.George said Dawn has more magical properties. But he didn’t elaborate. This is fine since it’s a literal star-born sword. The Valyrians could actually mass produce their steel. Perhaps Valyrian wizards could do more with their steel. Who knows.
>>25116345The mounting for swords is never the same material as the blade itself, so direct skin contact is never a requirement to receive the boon. However there's 3 situations to ponder:1) Cat was able to struggle against the catspaw at all. The frenzy did not enable him to demolish Cat, and Cat's hand did not end up looking a blender dip. Maybe the catspaw was just so malnourished and weak to begin with? In 1996, GRRM did not imagine the frenzy for wielding Valyrian steel, that came later. I think he just wanted a really expensive dagger without just typing "Damascus steel". Then GRRM writes dumbshit like how Tywin could not pay a lord enough to buy a Valyrian sword. Tywin can afford a debt of 3 million gold dragons, but not afford to buy another Valyrian sword. That makes each Valyrian sword worth more than 3 million gold dragons, a value able to equip and pay 187,000 men, all entirely heavy cavalry for 1 entire year. Note Tywin simply can't find that many men, armor, and horses even if he can afford it. This also makes the catspaw extremely retarded, he could have just ran off to Braavos with it. This makes Joffrey more of a retard.2) Did Aegon's crown confer any boon?3) What effect does a whole suit of Valyrian steel armor do, if Euron is truly wearing it?
>>25117856>2) Did Aegon's crown confer any boon?I would guess so, his and Maekar's. It's not much of a stretch to say that Valyrian steel contains the soul of the person sacrificed to make it. Imagine a crown forged out of Sun Tzu or Machiavelli
After a long wait, the Morning Throners have uploaded their A Feast For Crows wrap-up.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2gprF9A7DhwMorning Throners - The official /grrm/ podcast.
>>25117856>Catspaw daggerHonestly I think a part of GRRM wants to rewrite GOT just to make shit like this make sense in hindsight. A Valyrian steel dagger would have cut through all of her fingers with ease, so the fact she was able to stop it makes nose sense (maybe the guy himself was hesitating and didn't want to kill her, maybe he was being mind controlled by future Bran).But we also never get another weapon that uses dragon bone as a hilt. Its a very fucking mysterious thing and then you get all the show additions that Aegon was a dragon dreamer and foresaw the white walkers and engraved the dagger with the prophecy. Perhaps it even predates Aegon.Honestly the catspaw and joffery hiring him makes 0 sense and only works if Bran instilled the idea in his head and mind controlled the catspaw
>>25119139Bloodraven gave the dagger to Mance, ordered him to go scout Winterfell, then with that knowledge hire a guy kidnap Bran and bring him north of the walll, but Catelyn was unexpectedly in the bedroom. In case of failure, the dagger would implicate the royal family and not lead anyone to think of wildlings.
>>25116004I even watched fucking Idahoe because fatass said it was what inspired him to write Hedge Knight, the movie had barely any tourney scenes in it.
am I the only one who fucking hates the daenerys narrative? I don't give a crap about her
Isn't it really shitty that Ned never told Catelyn about Jon's true parentage? At the beginning, when they're newly married and he doesn't know her that well, I get it. But after 15 years together, he still kept his mouth shut? Even after seeing how much she hated Jon and how he suffered always being kept apart from the rest of the family? You'd think that eventually he would say something so that she would be less of a bitch to this kid who she hates entirely because of a lie. Do you think he one day might have, if the realm had stayed in peace, or would he have taken the secret to his grave?
Alright, I watched the series when it was releasing. After the knight of the seven kingdom tv show, I decided to get into it again and read the actual books.What am I in for? I heard the books are not as retarded.
>>25119315Everyone is significantly younger than in the show. Everything moves about in a more measured pace, where the show, I felt, rushed to put a lot of things into ten episodes a year. I'd recommend reading Fire and Blood and World of Ice and Fire beforehand, so you go into the books already knowing a lot of lore that they only make vague references to in the main story.
>>25119271I think he might have, at a point where it wouldn't have mattered like on Cat's deathbed or something, but you totally misunderstand Cat's character. Her biggest fear is that Jon or his children will take Robb's spot as Lord of Winterfell and she is totally irrational when it comes to this topic and also the idea of bastards. If Ned told her "Don't worry babe he's actually a Targ", the first thing Cat does in that situation is rat him out to Robert so that Jon can get the Clegane treatment and Cat never has to worry about her kids not being in charge of Winterfell ever again.
>>25119175How did Bloodraven get the dagger that littlefinger lost to Tyrion in a bet? How did Tyrion even lose it I don't remember who defence he gave other than 'why would I give my own knife to have someone killed'
>>25119264Seconded.She's just a retared slut, horny for merc-cock.
>>25119475Tyrion and Littlefinger never had it. It was Robert's dagger that Joffrey stole from the red keep's armory. Littlefinger was just lying through his teeth to start a war.
>>25119139>Bran instilled the idea in his head and mind controlled the catspawBran gets to view the lives of his parents, and after getting to see everything Cat does, his big brain idea is to nearly kill Cat. It's official, even Bran is sick of Cat's POV.>>25119175This is pretty much the only viable fix to that plot thread, that Bloodraven was able to exploit everyone's assumption of Joffrey being a shitter to never expect the catspaw was a wildling goon. I'd go one further and have the catspaw be warged, to explain why it was even so close a struggle for Cat.>>25119271>>25119403Ned can't trust Cat. It's funny she doesn't even notice how much Ned keeps from her, she's only malding about the idea that Ned fucked some whore. She doesn't suspect why Ned pivots super hard to sending Jon to the Wall once Benjen shows up. Ned had years to figure that out, but it took his brother for the idea to suddenly pop up. Even if Cat didn't rat out Jon's paternity to Robert, she still would let it slip to someone else.The fucked up thing is when it came to being south of the Neck, Cat actually has great advice that Robb ignores. Don't trust Walder Frey, she gets ignored. Don't send Theon to Pyke, she gets ignored. There's more but Cat's paranoia in the Riverlands is well-placed.Also, Robb was bound to lose the war the way he waged it. He hurries to lift the siege on Riverrun while Tywin parks at Harrenhal. By the time Robb does that, he's declared himself independant while Renly is about to give Stannis the Reach forces over his dead body. So Robb prevents any alliance. Riverrun is supposed to be a difficult castle to wait out a year or more in siege, so there is no reason to hurry to save it. After Riverrun, Robb pillages the Westerlands, but lacks the power to sack Lannisport. Forget Casterly Rock, no army can siege a literal mountain. Robb's "victories" meant nothing. The Red Wedding sped things up by 6 months, tops.
>>25119855>Cat actually has great advice that Robb ignores.Yeah, even after being absent from the Riverlands for 15 years she still has her finger on the pulse of the place. It's ironic that she's the most astute person there but is completely helpless to do anything and any active choice she does make blows up in her face.
brown-skinned summer islander wenches naked beneath feathered cloaks with nipples black as coal mmhmmmm
>>25111329Defeated by jonrya
Aegon I = 64Aenys = 35Maegor =36Jaehaerys I = 69Viserys I = 52Aegon II = 24Aegon III = 37Daeron I = 18Baelor = 27Viserys II = 50Aegon IV = 49Daeron II = 56Aerys I = 44 or 49Maekar = 54 or 59, 2 years younger than Aerys IAegon V = 59Jaehaerys II = 37Aerys II = 39Robert = 36Joffrey = 13These are all the ages of the kings when they died. The kings that you imagine as old, are not really old. I'm sure GRRM's boomer education has him dead set that medieval people lived short lives, so characters seldom live past age 60. Most fanart gets the ages wrong, such as depicting Maegor as middle aged. The bigger dumb shit than Daeron I for dying young is Joffrey, the MVP of speed runs. Aegon IV managed to get as far as 49 despite breaking past the 500 pound milestone. The big age gap between Aegon and Aenys definitely helps the theories that Aegon was a fag, and needed cuckoldry for Aenys to spawn.
>>25105069>george admittedly self inserts as samwellThat's really funny, because Samwell is also a rather heavy-handed homage to Samwise from LOTR, the character that Tolkien believed was the true hero of the story.At least Tolkien wasn't self-inserting, lol.
the first chapter of winds will be a 40 page sex scene between jon (as ghost) and val
>>25119855Sending Theon away to try and create disruption was a smart idea, Theon has decent field smarts for his age and was already creating chaos in the riverlands, the problem was that he was sent to the wrong place. Somehow nobody noticed the obvious problem of what they were actually asked them to do.No shit he would end up being wooed by his family if he went back home, he's a young glory seeker.
Why did Robert give the Stormlands away instead of keeping it as royal patrimony and ruling it directly alongside the Crownlands?
Is there anywhere in the world with technology more advanced than metalworks? Gears? Steam engines? I always liked the idea in fantasy of a technologically advanced civilization that was lost to time or reclusive like dwarves in elder scrolls. I find it strange that a world can be filled with magic and gods and demons are communing with people, but none of them have concepts of machines revealed to them ever.
>>25119315>What am I in for? I heard the books are not as retarded.Generally not, but everyone is super young (Jon and Dany are literal middle schoolers) because GRRM let his story crawl to a halt and they never grow up enough over the course of the story. Also, GRRM has zero sense of scale.
>>25120579Why did George make the wall 700 feet tall yet write that arrows could reach that height, and penetrate mail armour?Because he didn't think that far. His worldbuilding is garbage like carthage.
>>25120209> Aegon> Aegon> Aegon> Aegon> AegonGurm should have used an alternate royal title that would have made it easier to keep track of the kings: NAME NUMBER TARGARYEN. Thus the above would instead be:Aegon the 1st TargaryenAegon the 6th TargaryenAegon the 7th TargaryenAegon the 11th TargaryenAegon the 15th Targaryen
>>25120586>I find it strange that a world can be filled with magic and gods and demons are communing with people, but none of them have concepts of machines revealed to them ever.If you read some of Georges sci-fi work a constant recurring theme is that hivemind posing as gods or seen as gods hold technologically development back or ensure technological decline. Like Seven times never kill man the OG Ewok/wookies the Jaenishi was said to have plastic at one point and now are back to stone age era technology. its not explicit in the text but after reading it and thinking back.Westeros and the wider world being stuck in an eternal early medieval era tech is a sign the weirwood hivemind is magically keeping the people technologically underdeveloped
>>25114853Elden Ring is the ending
You guys ever read fanfics? I'm reading one for the first time (Sow the Tide Reap the Storm) based on the recommendation of my sister, but the prose is quite bad
>>25120908You should feel ashamed posting that
>>25120909I do not
>>25120797He also has a constant theme of the hivemind insidiously brainwashing those struggling against them. Weirwood.net is definitely up to no good.
>>25120908I'm not against fanfiction as such, but I can't stomach ASOIAF fanfics. The writing and prose are just so bad compared to George.
>>25119880>>25119855Cat is legit one of the most objective and observant POVs in the entire series. People keep harping on her for her capture of Tyrion, but in other 99% of cases everybody in Westeros would be better off if they just listened to her.
>>25120957What universe has "good" fanfics then? Is the quality of a fanfic just the delta between the authors of fanfics and the original writer?
>>25120654>His worldbuilding is garbage like carthageOld Gris wasn’t garbage.>>25120748Use titles high kings or emperor (Shah) of Westero
>>25120957nta but the prose in asoiaf is not exactly spectacular, i find that the gap between fan content and original text is less than other fantasy works
>>25120748Is Aegon Blackfyre a soft reset back to Aegon I or Aegon VI?
>Ser Bennis of the Brown Skin
>>25120908>my sisterYou don’t have to lie to us anon. I know you started reading it because of this fanart.
>>25121446Who is the nigger?
>>25121476A very tan femTheon, à la tumblr
>>25121496gross
>>25104498Never seen this picture of George and it amuses me how much he looks like someone I was friends with in college who acted very, very similar to him.Lemme find out GRRM was nabbin' bitches at one point.
>>25104649Fans guessed the ending or came up with something better and it trapped him in a corner I believe, made him feel inadequate.Or the ending of the show really was what he wanted but nobody liked it.Then again, maybe he just became a recognized genius and billionaire screenwriter and that was what he always wanted.
>>25120748Are you suggesting that the monarchs be numbered sequentially like presidents? It does not work that way with European monarchies, and Gurm chose his fiction to imitate British monarchy. Regnal numbering is done because the government is based on the monarch, not the monarch as a component of government. We number presidents sequentially by office because the individual is unimportant compared to the law and office that he swears into. Originally monarchs did not even have regnal numbers, because their epithet (Edward the Confessor, Aethelred the Unready) was enough to set them apart. Monarchies were long-reigns with short dynasties until feudalism flipped it to shorter reigns and long dynasties. With dynasties lasting centuries, then there is enough repetition of names that the kings adopted roman numerals for regnal numbers. Until a kingdom has written law to bind its monarch, the king is absolute from where all reckoning is descended. Westeros does not have this written rule of law, which even by Robert's day is still far behind the England of 1215 AD. Actually, the Targaryens never even codified the properties and estates of the 7 kingdoms, which makes Robert's reign administratively more primitive than the reign of William the Conqueror. Until the Targaryens came along, Westeros was between the Heptarchy and the HRE in terms of legal confusion.I'm hoping you were just unaware of the difference between president and monarch, because it's a bad look for a /lit/ anon to complain that 15 kings is too difficult to remember their names and sequence.>>25121251If you regard Blackfyre as a seperate dynasty, yes. If you regard it as a cadet branch, no. The sheer volume of Blackfyre posts implies that Blackfyre is a cadet branch. Robert Baratheon chose a new dynasty for his reign, but he was legally accepted by the Faith and many lords by his blood descent from Aegon V. It would be Daeron I Baratheon, hypothetically.
HOW WILL GEORGE CONTINUE DANY'S STORY? THERE ISN'T ENOUGH TIME TO DO EVERYTHING. I MUST KNOW
>>25121530No one's suggesting anything. However I am asserting that you're a massive faggot.
>>25121327Oh fuck no.Why do pedoamericans keep casting niggers
The showrunners confirmed that George told them Bran was going to be king in the books. How does that make any sense?
>>25121685Who has a better story than Bran the Broken?
>>25121557she becomes fat and dies when drogon can't carry her weight and crashes into the sea
>>25121699But stannis and shireen aren't even in the same physical location.
>>25121757Yet.
>>25121446Why is Theon dornish
>>25121916she wuz rhoynar n shiet
>>25121860I would make more sense to be his wife the one to do it, reviving Jon by proxy. That's what everyone has been predicting for years.
>>25121685Because in the show, the position of king is now more like the head of state while his elected council governs on his behalf. Of course he's still king, but it's much more overtly democratic. Through his powerful end of story eye into the future, Bran likely sees a dissolution of the crown entirely into a constitutional monarchy in the coming centuries.As for why it's Bran, in terms of ability it's obvious - he is a seer. I agree that in terms of it making sense in terms of the manner of succession, it's laughable. Only a Baratheon or Targaryen by blood should be able to sit the throne - if there are no members of either house left, then that settles that. But then of course it would just continue down the Lannister line. Would all members of these three houses all die in the winter war? I doubt it.So in short, I have no fucking clue. It half makes sense, half doesn't.
>>25104343How come this hack gets his own general while Tolkien does not?
>>25122178Tolkien readers don't completely overtake the scifantasy general to the point where they have to be kicked out
>>25122178Start whatever thread you want, you feckless whining gay retard.
>>25122178GRRM betta
>>25116983You are the most based man in the world
>>25122178Between Tolkien's reconstruction of fantasy and Bakker's deconstruction of the same, what is there to discuss?
>>25121530>Are you suggesting that the monarchs be numbered sequentially like presidents?Yes, as I thought was clear?>It does not work that way with European monarchies, and Gurm chose his fiction to imitate British monarchy.I don't care, it's a fantasy setting and can be whatever. Gurm's way is dumb and needlessly confusing getting the right king in the right time period.
>>25121623It's a Britbong production, where shoehorning in brown people is literally the law.
>>25121251>Is Aegon Blackfyre a soft reset back to Aegon I or Aegon VI?He would be Aegon the 1st Blackfyre.
>>25122191nobody got kicked out of anywhere
>>25105078new people are made every day and new people discover GRRM's works every day,for you it's the same old things but for that anon it's brand new
>>25121916takes place in an alternative timeline where Balon got himself some of that bad pussay
What are the chances of the long night being much more destructive and widespread across westeros before the night king is defeated. Bran being king makes more sense if most of the houses are decimated and don't have any lawful heirs that could rule or that want to, and if people are not so concerned about the lawful succession after everything.
>>25122959>night kingPoor show-only anon, lost on his way to /tv/Bran being king makes sense because he'll send his consciousness back in time and manage to BE every Brandon in Stark history, including Brandon the Builder, who built the wall, and Brandon the Breaker, who destroyed 13th Lord Commander "The Night King" who was most likely his brother and had half stark half-other children from which the current starks descend. This Omni-Bran will be part of the very Dune-like aspects of ASOIAF, with the young hero obtaining all the memories of his ancestors.Think of how similar Dune and ASOIAF are>Heroic aristocratic house lead by a benevolent patriarch>Get visited by the King>This causes the patriarch's death through more than a little bit of betrayal>Teen son travels to extreme lands, is exposed to barbaric culture that teaches him how to be a leader, a warrior and a man>falls in love with savage woman from this tribe>has psychic powers and is part of a mysterious chosen one prophecy that will bring forth a great leader>has a sister named Arya who stabs people (Paul Atreides had a sister named Alia who stabs people)
>>25122959>night king
>>25122959There is no night king in the books but here's the secret of ASOIAF: two more books aren't enough. There's no way in hell to tie up all the open plotlines in a satisfying way in just 2 books. But we will be lucky if George ends up finishing one, so we will never know the real ending.
Um the actor who plays Egg is a little weirdo https://www.instagram.com/reel/DUxWfDPE9kf/?l=1
Will there be an explanation as to how a summer islander could become a knight of the Reach?
what is the current verdict on the identity of coldhands?
>>25123823He's egg
>>25123916HOLY FUCKING SHIT
>>25122453I want alternative timeline where Viserys III married Asha.
>>25123760>DEI ruin Lord of the Rings loreKikes or Pajeets ceo?
>>25123823just some dude
Are there any moments in ASOIAF where someone is speaking to the wrong person, but they don't realize it?
>>25123823Somebody ancient.
>>25123760Perhaps that Bennis is a filthy liar?
>>25104343Orphans of the Greenblood (real life)https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marsh_Arabs
Do you think the oily black stone will be a part of the main story or is it just a world building detail that will stay mysterious and unknown?
>>25119855>>25119880>>2511988>>25120964>Cat actually has great advice that Robb ignores. Don't trust Walder Frey, she gets ignored. I might be remembering wrong, but Cat is the one who pushes Robb to attend the Red Wedding all the while she tells Robb not to trust the Freys, as she still trusts their bread and salt. She also pushes Robb to elevate Roose Bolton in his campaign instead of Greatjon Umber, and once Robb fucks Jeyne Westerling she hopes that girls grows wider hips instead of pushing her down a flight of stairs, or at least telling his son that he has been blatantly, transparently honeypotted by a girl who is a hostage of her parents, not the love of his life.I don't remember her giving actual good advice to Robb. She gives council that seems sensible, but later turns out to be disastrous.
>>25123760theyon gottu axplain shi nigga
>>25124150What Robb should have done. Pledge allegiance to Stannis and offer hand marriage to Margaery Tyrell
>>25123823HIM>Osric Stark, Qorgyle, and last Hoare
Is Margaery a snowbunny?
>>25123823chris jericho
>>25123760BLACKED Highgarden edition
>>25124150>Cat is the one who pushes Robb to attend the Red WeddingRobb was already headed back to the North to deal with the Ironborn.>She also pushes Robb to elevate Roose Bolton in his campaign instead of Greatjon Umber,Greatjon was a dumbass hillbilly and not someone you want commanding an army.>Jeyne Westerling honeypotted by a girl who is a hostage of her parents, not the love of his life.It wasn't Robb's fault, (or Jeyne's) he was magicked by Sybell Spicer.
>>25123823>what is the current verdict on the identity of coldhands?
>>25123760>Will there be an explanation as to how a summer islander could become a knight of the Reach?
>>25123223>(Paul Atreides had a sister named Alia who stabs people)
>>25121685It continues the theme of ripping off Dune, Bran becomes god emperor with magic prophetic powers. Except it doesn't fit with the rest of the story and, in the show at least, it embraces naive belief in a benevolent god-ruler which is exactly what Leto II stands against.
>>25124964Liberals are so anti-human it’s incredible. But they think they’re pro-human, which is even more incredible to me.
>>25124973It could only be palatable if Bran became the villain that the free humans must unite and destroy. However, GRRM insisted the ending is "bittersweet" with only King Bran in that ending. A war to dismantle King Bran is an entire arc in its own right. If GRRM meant King Bran is the "bitter" of "bittersweet", that's a nasty aftertaste but it qualifies as an ending. Now if GRRM meant King Bran is the "sweet" in "bittersweet," that indicates a problem in his psychology. You want a realistic roll of the dice with morally-gray characters, I get that part. I can even go along with the message that virtuous behavior should only be done in a vacuum from receiving a personal gain, which GRRM shows by never letting the moral character survive to see the effect of his actions. However, he does these choices in character direction where it either feels unearned, or clashes with the other message that he tries to tell. King Bran is at odds with the message about magic. If magic is so dangerous and meant to be avoided, it does not follow that the omniscient magic entity be framed as the morally superior master of the kingdom of men. Magic is bad, but this magic boy is totally good guy, I swear. D&D depicted King Bran as numbskull of a direction as possible, and GRRM has not so much as give any hint that D&D fucked up on any aspect of King Bran. You're already a misanthrope when you wrangle the political story under the yoke of "well, it's good that a diety subjugates humanity." When you're simultaneously an outspoken atheist, you look like a bumbling boomer now.Stannis is clearly the story where magic and religion are the bad combination, GRRM insists that Stannis chooses to burn Shireen alive. The problem here is GRRM put in the effort for the Stannis redemption arc, just to cut it off. He was already fallen (shadow babies), but starts to climb back up (save NW & North). Does GRRM not believe in salvation too?
>>25125737(cont'd) The Stannis resolution is troubled indeed...It's Shireen's death that crosses the line. I still hold hope that GRRM has a twist in mind where Shireen is saved by a body swap in the 11th hour, because the trick was done before in the baby swap. Regardless of whether Stannis was in on the baby swap or not, it would be a suitable reversal that a Shireen Swap be done to him. Stannis can fall with his final decision to burn Shireen for nothing, there is at least enough of bad Stannis to explain this backslide to this short-sighted cheating of fate. He loses his battle, loses his cause, lose his forces, anything good would have to emerge after he's dead. The show was decisive when it has Davos condemn the Red God for burning a child to death. It feels inconsistent to reward Stannis's bad decision after his demise.The options that can make sense are:Stannis chooses to burn Shireen, watches it, Davos betrays Stannis and secretly saves ShireenStannis chooses to burn Shireen, watches it, Davos betrays Stannis and openly saves ShireenStannis chooses to burn Shireen, does not watch it, Davos betrays Stannis and secretly saves ShireenStannis chooses to burn Shireen, does not watch it, Davos betrays Stannis and openly saves ShireenStannis chooses to burn Shireen, watches it, another interruption saves ShireenStannis chooses to burn Shireen, does not watch it, another interruption saves ShireenFollowing one of the above, Shireen can either continue as her father's heir, or Shireen rejects her father and therefore rejects being her father's heir. If there was a time skip, she could have become a POV after surviving such an ordeal. Her fate does have to be resolved, if she survives, because any sequel has to operate on whether there is still a cause for a legitimate Baratheon heir.GRRM has so heavily telegraphed that Stannis burns Shireen, and GRRM is the author that always subverts heavily telegraphed events. The Red Wedding was only subtle hints.
>enjoying storm so far>dany chapter>immediately get bored
>>25123823He's the last of the 13 original heroes/founders of the Nightswatch that were Azor Hais original friends that were undead greenseers. Sacred Order of the Green Zombie theory
>>25125786Stannis is going to die in Winterfell to the Others and the army of the dead when the Wall falls. Sacrificing Shireen might be a parallel to Agamemnon sacrificing his daughter for the wind to sail to Troy to right a grave injustice and violation of sacred laws.Why sacrifice her? Because she is going to die anyway and this way he might be able to defeat the Others. Shireen might be willing and be the one to convince him to do it, since Stannis cannot say no to Shireen. So its an evil deed that in the moment is a righteous moment of self sacrifice and Stannis learning to sacrifice what's important to him is apart of his redemption. Of course it fails and he dies anyway. All the 5 kings die. Stannis is the last one.
why do Old Gods worshippers respect rules of bastardry (Snow, Rivers)
>>25126078when da sidechick catch feelings sometimes a nigga just gotta
>>25126099trvke
>>25120908>>25121446>start reading it>expect self-insert smut>it’s actually a TOTAL STANNIS VICTORY scenarioholy fucking based, this is my new canon now since it’ll actually get finished
There’s lots of First Men that converted to the Seven, are there Andals that did the same with the Old Gods?
>>25126059>Sacrificing ShireenI believe it will happen because Melisandre misinterprets a vision of Jon Snow for Stannis, Shireen obviously won't want this but her bat shit crazy mom Selyse will happily go along with it.Stannis then shows up at the Wall and is pissed, while Melisandre learns from her mistake and realizes Jon Snow is Azor Ahai and abandons Stannis, who goes down fighting the Others when they breach the Wall.
>>25125712Bizarre how many Lefties are Catelyn-tier dumbasses who think they're doing the right thing but are in fact horribly wrong and when this is point out to them, they just call you a racist Targaryen chud and declare victory.#WeAreAllJalabharXho
>the widow of barrowton is only 38
>>25124150>Jeyne WesterlingCat wouldn't know what the Spicers are like, just their sigil, seat, and maybe words. She would know the Westerlings are poor, but not suspect that Sybell conspired Jeyne and Robb's elopement. Robb had just forgiven Cat for freeing Jaime, so Cat felt it was not her place to criticize Robb's error. So she definitely recognized this sudden marriage was a bad idea, but no longer had the social credit to persuade Robb to break his honor and vows again. Cat personally liked Jeyne, and everyone in this world is going to act on whether they like someone or not.>>25126356If there was an Andal character who converted to worshipping the Old Gods, we'd know of him by now. If the lact of a case is intentional, it's probably because GRRM wanted to carryover the result of celtic pagans being Christianized.>>25127038Rhaella managed to have 11 pregnancies, only 3 of them miscarriages. Another 3 were SID, another 3 were successful issue, the remaining 2 were stillbirths. That's better than most Targs. Rhaella was at least 37 when she birthed Danaerys. Clearly, Rhaella's womb worked well. The problem lies with Aerys. Had Egg insisted a proper match for Rhaella, a better lord could have sired the first Targaryen baseball team from her.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fVlRxdl1DmcAny truth to this theory?
>>25127521What is this image supposed to convey? That there have been successively worse storms?
>>25127718Bonifer Hasty is the father of Dany
>>25127728But bastard naming convention stems from the mother, no? Daenerys' mother is a Targaryen so if Dany is a bastard her name would be Waters like Daemon, otherwise Bloodraven and Bittersteel would have been Waters instead of Rivers.
>>25126292I was pleasantly surprised by the scenario part of this fic while the smut part left a lot to be desired. Funny how things turn out
>>25127735It's about her being born in a storm or something I don't fucking knowThe theory is about Bonifer Hasty being her father tha's all I know
>>25121504it's not about ending, or big twist, it's about how you write a story leading to such ending
>>25126292How does Theon being a girl turns into >stanniswinslol? That doesn't follow
>>25128384Basically>Robb is already in love by the time he goes south so he pushes harder against the Freys and dont make marriage promises. No Red Wedding>Without Theon the Ironborn dont manage to make as good progress in the North and dont get Winterfell>Female Theon cares less about what the Ironborn think of her since she's not the presumptive heir like Theon, and argues the point better to join the North to Asha>The Kingsmoot goes differently with a marriage promise to the Goodbrothers, swaying it away from Euron. Eventually Victarion is crowned and Asha convinces him to attack the Westerlands>With Robb alive the Ramsay situation plays out differently and Bran, Rickon and female Theon get caught by Stannis, who uses them to make Robb and Victarion submit>With Arya rejoining her family at Riverrun with the Hound and Robb alive, Sansa finds enough courage to out herself to Yohn Royce, making most of the Vale join Stannis with the Starks
>>25128644by r'hllor...
How important will off-map locations be going forward? The Shadowlands and former Empire of the Dawn and the ruins of Valyria and such? Will they play any role in the main story or will they just provide backstory and context?
>>25128739daenerys still has to go east to go westdaenerys will go to mossovy
>keep trying to copy George's prose>keep failingWhy is it so hard?
>>25128739Ashai will be Victarion’s final resting place, after having taken Dany and Eyron as his salt brides.
Any child that results from this union is guaranteed to be an unholy abomination.
Catherine continues to be the only marriageable women in westeros.
>>25129085Why? It'd be just a regular targ.
>>25124959>Greatjon was a dumbass hillbilly and not someone you want commanding an army.As we know from Robert, that's exactly who you want commanding an army. Cat simply saw Greatjon being a massive influence on Robb as the vassal who pushes him most towards being a daring and reckless king and wanted to replace him with someone "more reasonable", without ever bothering to consider said someone's loyalty. >It wasn't Robb's fault, (or Jeyne's) he was magicked by Sybell Spicer.I specifically argue that it was Cat's. As Robb's mother she was the one authority on women and marital intrigue for her dumbass teenager son. Should've worried about that instead of capturing and releasing Lannisters. >>25127173>Cat wouldn't know what the Spicers are like, just their sigil, seat, and maybe words. She would know the Westerlings are poor, but not suspect that Sybell conspired Jeyne and Robb's elopement. King's mother. Literally one job.
>>25129085the child would have a lot of magic blood in it. Very powerful. The offspring will be the first of many to populate the new ruling nobility of new westeros after Bran becomes infused to a tree on the isle of faces and becomes medieval skynet. This will allow Bran to bene gesseriate/bloodraven maxx and get more magically powerful bloodlines to intermix with each other.
Are there any elements from the show's post ADWD content that you liked and wish GRRM would actually have in the books?
>>25129663Wight dragons
>>25129448>King's mother. Literally one job.Even using your logic, do you think Robb is going to believe Cat when she tells him that Sybell Spicer pimped her daughter to Robb to get the marriage JUST to violate Robb's vows to the Freys, a vow made in the privacy of The Twins that you're assuming a Westerlander would know about? Cat already freed Jaime, where do you think her credibility sits at this point in time Robb will believe her? He already ignored her about Theon before she freed Jaime.>>25129448>As we know from Robert, that's exactly who you want commanding an army.Right, the invincible hammer in the battlefield is the biggest authority on strategy when his wars consisted of running headfirst into soldiers while the two great lord friends of his father did the work of gathering the allied armies fast enough to show up in the nick of time to save him at the Battle of the Bells.
>>25129663Jon x Sansa subplot.
>>25129784Which plot was that
>>25129788The subplot when they played with the idea of a Sansa x Jon x Danny love triangle for a while. It was a big thing at the time.
Is Young Griff being left out of the show an indication that he won't be particularly important? Just one more enemy for Daenarys to defeat on her way to Westeros?
>>25129946Knowing what we know now, it's more likely he was left out of the show because George didn't give an indication as to what the purpose of Young Griff was. He gave the show writers major plot points based on his (at that time) version of AsoIaF. He chops & changes the story as it progresses in his mind, constantly going back and forth over chapters and parts. As it is sometimes called (by him and others), the 'Gardener' style of writing. It may be even now, the purpose for Young Griff isn't clear.
>>25129789imagine if we get a threesome scene with them in ADOS
>>25130371If I were the fat man, I'd do it. Fuck it, he's already a billionaire, might as well write whatever the fucks is cool.
