Obama's top political aide and jewish author Sarah Hurwitz was caught in a recent controversy, due to her declarations that holocaust education has become misguided due to literature and cinema turning the holocaust into a simple moralistic tale of the strong against the oppressed weak, rather than a severe warning of how antissemitism endanger the jewish population — thus, weaponizing the holocaust the state of Israel and the right of jews for self-determination and to have a state for themselves. Modern holocaust education, in Hurwitz's assessment, had robbed the jews of their sacrifice in the holocaust. The holocaust was, after all, the systemic extermination of JEWS on an industrial scale.In 'As a Jew: Reclaiming Our Story from Those Who Blame, Shame, and Try to Erase Us', Sarah Hurwitz delivers an unapologetic discourse that should be employed by all jewish americans in the post-2016 world: yes, jewish people are in danger, and there is nothing wrong in jews seeking the right to exist and reclaiming THEIR history. She often recalls the roots of antissemitism in corruption, such as the rise of Boulangerism leading to the Dreyfus affair in France, and the rise of antissemitism in Nazi Germany culminating in the holocaust — which, in agreement with jewish philosophers in historians, had less to do with any , but as a general failure of capitalism and the very same western civilization that blames the jews for their misgivings.*****
>>25115739>The lesson of the Holocaust is that jews bombing hospitals and shredding children is good actually.
Didn't ask. Don't care. Still not supporting Pissrael
>>25115831If you oppose Israel, you oppose the right for jewish people to have a home. Thus you are engaging in antissemitism, even if with the veil of protecting oppressed ethnic and religious minorities.Ask yourself:The lesson of the armenian genocide is that the weak should not be killed by the strong, or that the turks commited a horrible crime? The lesson of the Apache Wars is that indians should not be killed, or that the Apache suffered a great injustice?Why all people who had evil done to them have the right to be upset over it and demand apologies, but the jewish people need to have their suffering turned into a rootless blockbuster about evil nazis culling minorities rather than the danger of antissemitism, specifically?Hurwitz is right about holocaust education.
>>25115854>Thus you are engaging in antissemitism
>>25115856This is the problem, exactly.Holocaust education has failed so bad that people conflate zionism with any form of fascism. They no longer see the evil in discriminating against jews. Thus jews were robbed of the right of survival.
>>25115877>the right of survival.nigga wtf are you talking aboutnobody has this non-existent "right"
>>25115892The right for life is a fundamental human right, and it is core and center of the movements for ethics and equal treatment by minorities in the USA. However, jews are strangely excluded from it. There can never be a jewish lives matter, because whenever jewish lives are in danger, people strangely take the side of whoever is attacking them.Hurwitz's book is a very necessary conversation that admits that western people still want to genocide jews, and that holocaust education simply failed. People read books like the girl who steals books and try to extrapolate the holocaust into a message about all of humanity.
You're a real boring shitposter. Peddle your wares on /pol/ or /his/.
>>25115896Source that you have any rights?
>>25115877>Jews have a right of survival that means jews bombing hospitals and shredding children is good actually
>>25115739sigh... lit's weekly /antisemitism general/ thread.
>>25115997Most of these books should have been banned from Amazon to be honest.I have no idea why anyone besides third world activists even read Mearsheimer.
>>25116015Can you list some of the ones that you think should have been banned?
>>25115739Gypsies and gays and resistants too, you know *eyeroll*
>>25116017Sure.Good readings:>Yahweh and the Gods of Goddesses of Canaan I actually read a few pages and a summary in college. Christians feel so defeated reading it, but jews tend to be more educated in their own religion and care very little.>On the jewish questionThis book ruined Marx for me, and should ruin Marx for you too. It is petty and personal, a loser taking potty shots at his own family and tribe because he is the family joke.--Gentile should not read:>Kabbahah, the Jewish State, The Jew Accused, the Jewish Question, anything by Herl or 19th century zionistsGentiles would not understand and think of this as evidence of their pet conspiracy theories.Ban list over antissemitism (imagine a book openly declared blacks should die or that they only do harm. This should not be allowed:>anything by Mearsheimer and Webb>anything that would have sent the author to jail if it had been published in post-1945 Germany/lit/ doesn't like banned books, but these books have created more succesful antissemites than anything else. Third worlders read Mearsheimer in their course about american politics, ffs. Third worlders unironically believe Israel rules over the USA and teach that in school thanks to these shit books.Mearsheimer just hates AIPAC and the regional councils.
>>25116027What would you if you woke up tomorrow and you were a goy?Would you be anti-Semitic knowing what you know?
>>25115877Why couldn't they survive in Thuringia or Argentina or Madagascar? Why do their right of survival involve usury and endless wars?
>>25116043>le UsuryThis isn't really that important to modern Jewry since the monopoly of Jews on money-lending was overturned by the church. Jews still predominate in the field, but their dominance in tech, academia and equity is arguably much more important
>>25115931>You are intruding on my right to BOMB KIDS! Is this the argument the zog cowards are going to peddle now? on the bright side of the Iran conflict is that it opens the door to a stronger anti-Israel Lobby movement. The core election issue for left and right in the midterms needs to be: no AIPAC candidates
>>25115854This is clearly bait, however, the idea that genocide (ie; the systematic destruction of a minority class by the majority class) is bad in general, and the idea that the specific genocidal class is bad specifically are not at all mutually exclusive. Antisemitism in the holocaust was bad, however if you replace Jews with any other race it is still just as bad. It’s also telling that at no point was a repertory “homeland” granted to the survivors of any other genocide. The state of Israel has a right to exist but not a right to commit genocide. It’s not that difficult. Their right to exist as an ethnostate is also confusing in a global order that typically rejects attempts at ethnic purity by every other nation
>>25115854Homosexuals were targeted in the Holocaust too- where's our ethnostate? What about the gypsies?
>>25116027If you're serious, I'm glad to see some Jewish Zionist representation around here. WelcomeI have nothing against your people, but seriously, why should any non-Jew support AIPAC's sway in our country, and how does America benefit from our countries' alliance? Why shouldn't we watch you and the Muslims destroy each other? Your people have made many worthy contributions to this world, but we are not friends, and your best interest is not ours. While I wish you the best, Israel has no more "right to exist" than the non-Jews it's pushed aside. Thanks for posting, hope to hear a response.
>>25115739>The holocaust was, after all, the systemic extermination of JEWS on an industrial scale.The Jews were indeed the single largest group targeted, but they were still only about half of the total victims.
>>25116127It's not bait, this is the warped mind of a supermaicst who thinks that rules or morality don't apply to him, that they should be exempted from all their atrocities. And behind closed doors, you're just goyim cattle that must be managed and kept at an arm's length, to be exploited and lied to. But guess what? The interest has been stacking for years, maybe longer, and it's going to crash hard. This whole 'order' where every person has to foot the bill for their consequences, while working to make sure you don't have a home or repersenation in your own insitutions or goverment while they can keep theirs because they're the chosen people or whatever is a kind of hypocrisy that won't survive a debate, that's why Jewish NGOs, reps, and billionares are becoming the biggest opponents to free speech.Jewish belligerence is at an all-time high with Iran, too. Everywhere one looks, one can see Gentile-hating jews foaming at the mouth, demanding that American blood be shed in another catastrophic war for them they planned for. Since Americans do not want this war, it's quite possible that we could theoretically see a horrific attack in the West, or they will activate the many sleeper cells that they have imported via their NGOs.
>>25116175Personally, I’m not antisemitic at all. I have never believed in the 4chan rhetoric of “The Jew” but frankly with the past several years of global conflict centered around Israel, it’s hard not to let these arguments against the Jewish people affect me. And the irony is that zionists dig in deeper and deeper and get angrier and more blood thirsty and demand more and more from us. More aid (why do they need aid from us? Are they not already perfectly well equipped to steamroll their already emaciated and impoverished neighbors?), more support (moral, vocal, legislative, etc.), more wars with their enemies, less questioning, less resistance. The way they attack anyone who disagrees only adds gasoline to the fires of antisemitism and in the end it will be regular, everyday Jews across the world who will suffer for it. And it makes me sad, frankly. No country on earth needs a regime change as desperately as Israel. They are a philosophically bankrupt country that will burn themselves down completely in the fires of war and blame everyone else for hating them. They have essentially no global goodwill left except from the politicians they already own, and in time they will be left alone in a burning ruin of the holy land high on fear and persecution and it will be incredibly heartbreaking to know what the Jewish people could have had, if only they could have seen themselves even for a moment through the eyes of anyone else
>>25116195>Personally, I’m not antisemitic at all.>spews a paragraph of straight jew hate
>>25116195Who cares what labels they try to slap on you? You’re not some two-dimensional person. All you’re doing is questioning their disgusting actions and hypocrisy in real time, and the only response they have is to scream names at you. That’s called projection, and it’s not an accident: They accuse you of exactly what they’re doing right now because, believe it or not, they actually do have a conscience. The frantic lies they tell themselves every night are the only thing letting them sleep. But the truth is, I wouldn’t sleep a wink if every person who “supports” me is a pedophile, a bought-off coward, or a blackmailed degenerate.Maybe that tells us far more about Israelis and their culture than it does about Gentiles.
If only you guys were Christian (not evangelical, and even they believe in the eventual conversion of the Jews), you would not need to ponder this question so much. Jews are the enemies of Christ, and are the Jews who call themselves Jews and are not. They variously affect world and US politics at present; they are good for us in the Middle East, generally, and bad for us in terms of domestic affairs (the spiritually consequential stuff). They obviously play a role in the end of days. The problem with the way Europeans have treated Jews in the past is that they were not harsh enough. Elimination is always better than kvetching. They were at least used at certain times as a special economic or administrative class.
>>25116217Being disgusted by Israel is not the same thing as hating Jews. When you claim it is, and then Israel continues to do disgusting things, it ironically justifies antisemitism to anyone who believed you. >if you hate Israel you hate all Jews!!>israel commits incredible atrocities live-streamed around the world and celebrates them >well as a human with any sense of morality I guess I must hate Jews now even though I have never met one I didn’t like…
>>25116244I sincerely consider the moral lens to be that of the slave, and largely dismissible, especially considering the context of killing filthy muslims.
>>25116252>muh neet-chee Genocide is genocide. What Israel is doing to Palestine is no less reprehensible than what hitler did to the Jews. Your dismissal of morality probably stops incredibly short once you and those close to you begin to feel threatened by forces you cannot hope to overcome
>>25116127This is not bait, the Jewish World Congress redefined anti-zionism as antissemitism since it denies the right of self-determination for jews.>>25116154>I have nothing against your people, but seriously, why should any non-Jew support AIPAC's sway in our country, and how does America benefit from our countries' alliance?Israel offers America its only true regional ally, basically acting like an aircraft carrier on land. Israel has many cultural ties with America, and many americans have second nationality and vacation homes in Israel. Israeli firms are major contractors for the US military-complex, and the israeli economy revolves around producing the weapons, decryption technology and complex security systems that are used in the USA.All in all, Israel is a very important ally. And AIPAC is *NOT* a foreign lobby, by the USA's own admission, which accepted that AIPAC did not need to sign as a foreign lobby. AIPAC is mostly pushed by evangelical christians.If you don't like protestants dictating your politics, that is not Israel's problem.>Why shouldn't we watch you and the Muslims destroy each other?Because the Muslims have less ties to you.>but we are not friends, and your best interest is not ours.Then why is your entire government giving standing ovations to Netanyahu's every word? You mean that every single politician you elected is crooked, and not that your leadership (and thus, you) are very passionate about Israel?>Israel has no more "right to exist" than the non-Jews it's pushed asideIsrael has an ancient claim over that land which has never been surrendered, and the Palestinian Mandate of Israel decided that there would be a jewish state, as the US Dept. of State was quickly to endorse during the Truman presidency.This entire 'Israel has no right to exist' argument is void. Israel has a right to exist over the right of conquest, the right of international legitimization and the historical claim for the land.
>>25116241Something I’ve noticed in Jewish continuity and culture, and in history in general, is that they cannot run a nation at all, and it need strict requirements. I think Jews work better as buck broken clerks because they have massive egos when they’re were under the Romans. Whenever they try literally anything else, it just goes up in flames. The Bible says, “You must remember what Amalek has done to you, says our Holy Bible. 1 Samuel 15:3 ‘Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass’.”Zionism is the worst they’ve ever used to construct a ‘nation’ under. Netanyahu said the Rabbis who created the Judaism we know today long ago (centuries ago) ruled that no modern nation could be equated with Amalek, but Netanyahu cares little for progressive Rabbinic values to put it mildly. In quoting that passage he is explicitly signaling genocidal intent and completing the marriage of Zionism in its inception a secular movement which repudiated the Jewish religion, with a twisted, nightmare vision of Judaism. Jews between 136 CE and the 19th century, Israel was a magical land. Jews prayed multiple times a day for the messianic return to Israel and the redemption of the world. Prophecy, they said, was more easily attained in Israel (or only attainable there according to some); the produce was huge and tasted impossibly good; the soil had magical properties. For centuries, however though many small groups of Jews went to live in Palestine for religious reasons, Jewish law itself was understood as forbidding a mass return to Palestine. The Rabbis of the Talmud wrote that there were three oaths preventing Jews taking Israel back through war or population transfer: One, that the Jews should not ascend to Eretz Yisrael as a wall (take it back by returning en masse). And another one, that the Holy One, Blessed be He, adjured the Jews that they should not rebel against the nations of the world. And the last one is that the Holy One, Blessed be He, adjured the nations of the world that they should not subjugate the Jews excessively.The three oaths mentioned above, or rather the two applying to Jews, were taken quite seriously, as was the Rabbinic teaching that Jews should relate to the nations non-violently even if oppressed by them. Jewish law and consensus prior to 1890 stated that Jews should defend themselves boldly before the nations, but only with words. In the 1890s some argued that since the nations had broken the third oath, Jews were released from the first two. Orthodox Rabbis did not agree, arguing instead that if the nations broke their oath with God, then God would deal with it himself.
>>25116195All these "demands" that Israel makes are even charitable compared to what it sacrifices.>More aidWe deal with Al Qaeda, Hamaz, Hezbollah, Iran, Iraq, Syria and Turkey.If Israel wasn't here, they'd be attacking or undermining you.>more wars with their enemies, less questioning, less resistanceThe USA is very close from absolute global hegemony. If Iran falls (as it is falling), the entire Middle-East will be tied to NATO states (either USA or Turkey). And once Turkey finally decides which side it is on (when the war in Europe starts), the Middle-East will know peace.After Iran, what else is left? Only China, but without oil. And Russia, but weakened. An oil pipeline going from Saudi Arabia could make its way to Bulgaria and Europe once Syria, Iraq and Turkey are turned into allies.Then, Russia is made bankrupt and destroyed.We are very close to the final triumph of the progressive neoliberal order.
>>25116282Okay so putting aside how laughably meaningless a redefined definition like that is in this context, can you briefly in your own words define anti-Zionism and self-determination?
>>25116296Please just read this:https://www.worldjewishcongress.org/en/anti-zionismYou are too ignorant or feigning ignorance, so that you cannot concede that the jews need a country for themselves. If the last years revealed anything, it revealed the gentiles are very quick to direct at jews every single issue of their society that is actually a fruit of capitalism. Jewish people need their own country because gentiles are unreliable and fickle. They have already forgotten the holocaust, or worse, twisted it.
>>25116291They only attack and undermine us because of our constant interference and disruption in their affairs. Both through our own involvement and our support of Israel’s actions. >the USA is very close to absolute global hegemony The USA is very close to collapsing in on itself like a dying star, by and large Americans reject the notion of empire building and feel neglected by their political leaders’ constant focus on foreign affairs and feeding the military machine at the expense of literally all our public services. How well did regime changes work in Iraq? Afghanistan? How many years of drawn out conflicts will we foot the bill for? And for what? To be bigger than china? Than Russia? Why should I or anyone else care when I can barely afford to live. Beyond all cost-benefit analysis, how can I as a human being look at the actions of the IDF as anything other than evil? How can I look at my own military, my own government any other way? Are they defending me? Defending me from what? Schoolchildren on the other side of the world? Inb4 muh 9/11. Whether that was a legitimate attack or a psyop to justify the past quarter century of involvement in the Middle East is irrelevant, because there is nothing save nothing that any military could do that could stop it from happening again, so why is so much of my income funneled into that bottomless pit?
>>25116317Remembering the holocaust is what makes the actions of Israel so disgusting and overtly genocidal. Jews can have their own country, but they (like any and every other country on earth) cannot be allowed to operate an apartheid state or commit a genocide
>>25116326>Beyond all cost-benefit analysis, how can I as a human being look at the actions of the IDF as anything other than evil? How can I look at my own military, my own government any other way? Are they defending me? Defending me from what? Schoolchildren on the other side of the world?Two words:PAX AMERICANAIt was the deal we made for you. You hold the international reserve currency, the middle-east oil producers are forced to trade oil in that currency. Thus is your currency's value backed by oil, the petrodollar.Americans enjoy an exorbitant privilege where they get to live beyond their means and consume goods from all over the world at discount prices, because the whole world needs oil, and oil requires dollars to be bought. Americans produce dollars by pressing a button.I am recommending the book in pic related, which includes a chapter on how Israel is important for the USA's exorbitant privilege.In a way, you owe everything in your life to US military supremacy, where Israel plays no small part.
>>25116335>Remembering the holocaust is what makes the actions of Israel so disgusting and overtly genocidal.You prove Sarah Hurwitz in 'As a jew' correct.https://x.com/infolibnews/status/1990634043218534790The holocaust is not about genocide, it is about the genocide and destruction of the jewish people in Europe. The lesson of the holocaust is that jews deserve to have a state.
>>25116343Wtf I love genocide now!! Would the holocaust have been justified if hitler had brought an eventual peace and prosperity to Europe?
>>25116349>The holocaust is not about genocide, it is about the genocide and destruction of the jewish people in Europe.What about all the non-Jewish victims of the Holocaust like gays, Gypsies, Poles, Jehovah's Witnesses etc?>The lesson of the holocaust is that jews deserve to have a state.Okay, when do us queers get a state?
>>25116364>Would the holocaust have been justified if hitler had brought an eventual peace and prosperity to Europe?The dumb would say 'yes' due to bias for the survivor, the wise would remind you that there is no prosperity in Europe without jewish contribution.You must be baiting me, man.Enrico Fermi (had a jewish wife), Oppenheimer, Einstein, to name a few, were jews. Jews played major roles in science, art and statemanship.Nazi Germany would have never been as prosperous as the USA (which did not have a holocaust, and tried up until years ago to include jews).You want to get me on a gotcha, but I am not falling for this. Wrong person, wrong time.>>25116366Did gays, gypsies, poles and Jehovah's Witnesses found the suffering so unbearable that they tried to crate a state for themselves?>Okay, when do us queers get a state?Thanks to jews and jewish studies and lobbying, every western state is now safe for homossexuals. But you are not ready for this conversation.
>>25116349Okay… so yeah, like that specifically was bad, right? But was it not also bad just on the basis of genocide? Have there been good or justifiable genocides ever? Like you can isolate what happened to the Jewish people and say “this was a tragedy for the Jewish people” but can you not look at the bigger picture of the holocaust (which included the deaths of many, many non-Jews) and say “this was a tragedy for humanity?” And I would say that a state which was created specifically as reparations for a genocide turning around and committing one of their own is deeply ironic and horrific regardless of what ethnicities are involved. Would you not agree?
>>25116389>Did gays, gypsies, poles and Jehovah's Witnesses found the suffering so unbearable that they tried to crate a state for themselves?Some have tried, but Israel got approved by a UN motion.>Thanks to jews and jewish studies and lobbying, every western state is now safe for homossexuals.And none of them are safe for Jews? How do the rates of antisemitic violence vs. gay-bashing compare?
>>25116389So your argument, essentially, boils down to: Jews are better than other people and deserve special rights and permissions; genocide is only bad when it happens to us, progress is only possible through us, and we will lead you to prosperity so just let us do whatever we want and trust that we know what’s right?
>>25116343>ler amostrabaiting brazilian
>>25116401The irony of him arguing for the relative safety of gays vs. Jews in the west while the US government actively walks back gay rights and funnels our tax dollars to Israel simultaneously lmao
>>25116413You are saying this, not me. I never said jews are better, but someone gave a hypothetical and I gave one back. A state with jews is always more advanced. It is the difference between Iran and America.I HAVE a point. Jewish people make unique contributions.Genocide is always bad, but the holocaust was a genocide that disproportionately targetted jewish people less than a century ago. And you are all chastising me and Hurwitz for argueing that jews need a home in order to be safe.>>25116419I am portuguese sephardite, but I have israeli citizenship.
>>25116420The safety of most minorities rely on the partisan ethical work of media, academia and government. Without jews fighting for the rights of homossexuals, who would protect you? Christians? The police? Your neighbors?We protect you against them, which is a dire and ungrateful endeavor.
>>25116457>A state with jews is always more advanced.Yeah New York diaspora, not inbred half Africans that call themselves israeli kek
>>25116459Homosexuals have first and foremost fought for themselves.
TKD>>25116457>Genocide is always badSays the parasite
>>25116459>Similarly, a Jewish child should not be entrusted to a gentile with the intent that he teach him to read or teach him a craft, for all gentiles are suspect to engage in homosexual relations. Similarly, we do not house an animal in an inn belonging to gentiles, not even a male in an inn with males and a female in an inn with females.Actually your scripture says that all goyim are suspected of homosexuality and that's why we're not allowed to teach your children how to read.
>>25116459>jews protect XYZ minorities Many people of many racial backgrounds protect minorities, and I thank them, but it does not justify genocide
>>25116457I’m not. Jews may have their home, but they should not be allowed to do ethnic cleansing with impunity. That’s the end-all-be-all of my argument. I don’t hate Jews, I don’t even hate Israel conceptually, but there is no justification for their actions that will outweigh its atrocity
I'm boycotting all literature on the holocaust until all amputee Palestinian children have their limbs returned.
>>25116497Two things can both be bad.
I think the greatest threat facing Jews today is their own backward bronze age religion that names them as the chosen people and inheritors of all their land the bronze age progenitors could conceive as valuable. Even secular Jews have inherited it as a narcissistic self-conceit. It's just a horrible lens to view the world and makes Jews always want to float on the top like oil above water. White people, despite all the pogroms, are the only ones willing to tolerate this because of their heightened empathy. But white people are dying out. Jews need to evolve if they're going to survive in an Asian & African 22nd century, which will evaluate them in a much colder light. The Mike Huckabees of the world are already dinosaurs and will disappear in 20 years.
>>25115854>the right for jewish people to have a homeHow are they so powerful for thousands of years and yet not been able to claim a place as a home?
>>25116699Antissemitism. It doesn't matter how succesful jews are, you will still call us enemy.
>>25116291Oy vey, those evil muslim bastids would totally suicide bomb the USA and Europe if mighty Israel didn't stop them. Sto complaining you filthy, subhuman goy and give Israel more money
>>25115927he has lefts, actually. Though its bold of me to assume its a "he"
>>25116015Mearsheimer isn't the heckin "third world ally" everyone thinks he is. he's just a pessimistic neocon.>>25116027>jews tend to be more educated in their own religion and care very little.gonna need a source on that
>>25116389>Oy vey, don't you filthy gentiles know that the racially superior Jews are the only reason you subhumans have a civilization in the first place. Ungrateful goy animal, give all the fruits of your labor to your betters
At this point you can either fully denounce mainstream judaism and zionism or change your last name and convert to another religion. Antisemitism is the socialism of fools but it's also a natural reaction for young people in the West who see their conditions deteriorating while a self-appointed Jewish lobby dominates their governments and murders children overseas. Hurwitz is the perfect example>Duhh goys weren't supposed to take a universal lesson from the holocaust>they were supposed to learn muh jews are specialAdmitting you rigged the education system in your favor but getting mad that it backfired. Being stupid enough to say this publicly and still wondering why young people are starting to hate you should disprove any notions of racial supremacy you have about yids. Ziohazards are idiot losers, no different from the Aryan Nation or Black Hebrew Israelites.
>>25117152>Oy vey, those evil muslim bastids would totally suicide bomb the USA and Europe if mighty Israel didn't stop them. Sto complaining you filthy, subhuman goy and give Israel more moneyThis is not me saying, it is Obama admitting to it. Israel bears the bulk of islamic terrorism. Either you wipe islam from the face of the Earth, or you concede that Israel is necessary.
>>25117221>Admitting you rigged the education system in your favor but getting mad that it backfired. Being stupid enough to say this publicly and still wondering why young people are starting to hate you should disprove any notions of racial supremacy you have about yids. Ziohazards are idiot losers, no different from the Aryan Nation or Black Hebrew Israelites.You don't know anything about us, don't make this comparison.The rule of thumb for antissemites is that they shouldn't be allowes to post online what they would be too scared to scream in a synagogue.
>>25117225You can choose to idolize Hannah Arendt or Baruch Goldstein. Mainstream Judaism and Israeli society have already made their choice. You can't make excuses for Goldstein and demand to be treated like Arendt.
>>25115739Why the hate boner for captalism? Most of the world does not want to live in a kibbutz.
>>25117390>You can't make excuses for Goldstein and demand to be treated like ArendtYes, we can actually.
>>25115896idk why i’m responding to this stupid bait, but:>the right for life is a fundamental human righta people isn’t a human. this is the same logic as “corporations are people.” slave morality is incoherent on the level of tribal conflicts
>>25117571You don't know what you are talking about do you?
>>25117533Of course you can, but don't expect anyone to take your whinging seriously or come to your defense. No other civil rights cause will defend shooting innocent people in the back as they pray. Your only company here will be religious fanatics and your fellow hellbound nazi murderers like Dylann Roof.
>>25117533Israel is the only country in the world that can't go to war without declaring its intent to genocide everyone who opposes it (Amalek). This is a rogue state and danger to Mankind. Jews had their chance at a state and they blew it, it's time to take it away.
this is the worst thread i've ever seen
>LLM summary copy>current events agitprop topic>tone deaf loxist auto-blood libelNot literature.
BBC and jews are divine. Girard wrote about that.
I used to have nothing against jews, but from early childhood I've been hearing nonstop about how much I should care about them and woe is the joos, so I gotta admit this kikery is starting to make me antisemitic.Same goes for the sacred north american nigger.Getting tired of it. I'm trying to be a good person, but I swear every brown and jew out there is trying to start a race war.
>>25117225>The rule of thumb for antissemites is that they shouldn't be allowes to post online what they would be too scared to scream in a synagogue.Ever wonder why people don't engage in public antisemitism? It's not because they don't believe it, it's because they know that the state will destroy their lives. Avenues of work will be permanently closed, you will get blacklisted from pretty much any position that would have allowed you to progress in society. Your only option will be homelessness. Unless you allow open discourse you're just making more and more people antisemitic.
>>25115896Shut up glownigger before I bondburger your sister
>>25119360>Avenues of work will be permanently closed, you will get blacklisted from pretty much any position that would have allowed you to progress in society. Your only option will be homelessnessThat is very reasonable.So you admit that you are a coward, and that the criticism of antissemitism is just internet posturing?Antissemitism threads on /lit/ truly explain a lot about this board.
>>25119470A societal elite that oppresses its populace will always have to watch put for any weaknesses of the system. If there is a military defeat, or a large economic disaster, you are going the way of the french aristocracy. Everyone hates you and resents the noose you have over their necks. The moment that noose no longer threatens the populace, its guillotine time for the elites.
>>25119500And that is why we need holocaust education that is about jews, not about fictional characters.You are yourself endorsing Adorno's argument in Dialectics of the enlightenment, admitting that jews are not particularly in control of society, but economic downturn and failure of capitalism makes them a target as to justify the systemic failures of the system. My point stands correct, that jews are unfairly targetted and people need to be educated about it.
>>25119513You are misinterpreting what I'm saying. Economic downturns and military defeats don't create a system where the elites of the system are unfairly persecuted. Instead it creates an opportunity for political change. The old elites are removed because they no longer possess power, or more specifically they can no longer promise a degree of guaranteed wealth and power to a minority of the populace (the army and police), to use their cudgels against the majority. Jews place themselves as a middleman class, and accumulate wealth through facilitating trade, using said wealth to try and buy more power and influence within a society. But the moment stability is removed the accumulated wealth is worthless and people revert to tribalism, seeng the middleman class as a direct threat to their own wealth and power accumulation.
>>25116140>Homosexual EthnostateIsrael>Gypsy EthnostateRomania
>>25116241>Jews are the enemies of Christ, and are the Jews who call themselves Jews and are not.You should read the Bible at some point and then pray for the salvation of all peoples. There is a long established tradition of reading the Gospel of John and placing one's self in the stead of the apostle John. There is another, less widely circulated tradition of placing yourself in the stead of the Jews and really, sincerely listening to the chastisements of the Lord in the spirit of mortification
>>25115739aren't you the same filthy jew that posted a similar post talking about another anti-antisemitism book also written by a jew? haven't you yet figured out that no one accepts the jews but the jews themselves, that no one gives a fuck about your intellectual circlejerking? you and your kind are a leech on the ass of humanity; kill yourself, it's the greatest achievement you can accomplish
>>25120319What you call the jewish literary circle-jerking (In your own gross words)?— Western civilization.Until you stop worshipping a jewish man, celebrating jewish holy days, watching jewish shows, eating kosher food, building upon jewish science, reading jewish authors, debating jewish philosophers, and partaking in ideologies created by jews while supporting politicians who have ties to various jewish organizations, you can't say nobody cares.It frankly offends me, and it is also objectively wrong to claim that no one accepts jews but themselves. Everyone accepted jews everywhere, up until a few years ago.There are people on /lit/ handing over free translations to fascist authors with nazi tendencies. I think that discussing jewish literature and jewish issues is not that far-fetched.
>>25120398>Everyone accepted jews everywhere, up until a few years ago.why do think this happened?
>>25117225I’m pretty sure this poster is a masterful troll, because I find it hard to believe anyone actually thinks this, but for sake of argument…Fear of a mob should not be the rule of thumb for free speech. Should the rule of what you can say about muslims be limited to what you can shout in a mosque? Under such a metric basically the entire Israeli government and most of the populace should be arrested for hate speech, and any truth falls to the wayside when placed up against people who will quickly resort to violence. Thin skinnedness would quickly become a way to totally silence all speech.Now if I were surrounded by police officers who were legally bound to protect me from immediate reprisal I would shout to my hearts content in both scenarios. The rule is a stupid one, and doesn’t bear up under scrutiny.
>>25115854>If you oppose Israel, you oppose the right for jewish people to have a home.Good.
>>25120647He probably is anon but a scary part of the American Jewry feels this way completely sincerely
>>25120833>>25120647It is not funny to be called a troll for holding the controversial opinion that jews have the right to be alive. It is rather depressing.Nothing was learned from 1945, it seems.Leave this shithole and go to dedicated reddits or other public to read forums where jews can discuss among each other.It seems like no one here even has any interest in Hurwitz's book besides calling it jewish apologism, as if jews had to justify themselves at all times.
>>25121023Oh yeah this guys good. Thank you for this masterclass, I don’t remember the last time I saw a thread on a board this dead get so many (You)’s without being repeatedly called on ther trolling. You dun good son. Reminds me of what this site used to be I tell ya h’what.
Jews are not human beings
>>25116317>gentiles are very quick to direct at jews every single issue of their societyhmm>that is actually a fruit of capitalismso yeah, judaeobolshevism, exactly the problem that hitler had with the jews participating in german public life>>25116349>The holocaust is not about genocide, it is about the genocide and destruction of the jewish people in Europewho gives a shit about the destruction of the jewish people in europe unless genocide is bad? why do you insist on saying jewish people as if being people means something if you reject the universality of people being made in the image of God?your god is too small to be worthy of your worship
>>25121023>jews have the right to be alive...which, to you, necessarily implies bombing hospitals>>25121118>Jews are not human beingswhere humanness necessarily implies a revulsion to bombing hospitals as state policy
>>25120398>worshipping a jewish mancalling him the son of david and messiah is criticized by brother nathaniel as ignoring His true nature as the Son of God> celebrating jewish holy dayshanukkah and purim are extraBiblical, the rest are components of the old covenant that was done away with. therefore celebrating them implies that there isnt a new testament>watching jewish showstv is garbage and filth and jews should be ashamed of their role in it>eating kosher foodkosher food was rejected in the new testament according to Acts 10 where peter is told not to call unclean what God has made clean. to keeping kosher is to reject the new testament>building upon jewish sciencewhat does that even mean? as boyle and aquinas recognize, truth is truth> reading jewish authors, debating jewish philosophersaquinas did> partaking in ideologies created by jewsmarxism, cultural marxism, ayn randism, are a discredit to the jews> while supporting politicians who have ties to various jewish organizationsjewish powermongering is a problem, that cordreanu expressed as a nation gets the jews that it deserves. the jews are obviously an anti-Christ cult and a cult of a coming antiChrist, and between that and their filth and unnatural abomination they should have no power to monger
>>25121372nb the picture is about cordreanus comment that jews are mosquitoes that thrive in the swamp of our sins
>>25121282>the destruction of the jewish people in europe unless genocide is badWhen you hear of Jim Crow, do you think of the discrimination of white romanians against gypsies? When you hear of the Cathere crusades, do you think of the catholics butchering heretics in southern France or do you think of the Rwandan Genocide?JEWISH people were Nazi Germany's main target, JEWISH people were blamed for every issue then, as JEWISH people are being blamed now. The holocaustThe NECESSARY lesson of the holocaust is not that genocide is bad, but that ANTISSEMITISM is bad. >the destroyed hospitalsMaybe if they didn't call terrorist compounds hospitals and schools, this would not be necessary. Maybe, if the West had sided with Israel way back when in the 1950s instead of Egypt, this would not be necessary.Your post made me furious, it is the poster problem of why we need holocaust education and why people need to read Hurwitz.>>25121372I don't get the point of this post. You are proving my argument that western society cannot be divorced from jewish contribution. People hate admitting how much they owe to yidd, but have no problem saying the same about any other race and nationality and religion.I wonder why.
>>25121425>western society cannot be divorced from jewish contributionyou were the custodians of Divine revelation, not only in bC times and the first century aD, but also in the 17th century aD when the masoretic text of the Tanakh was used to translate the kjv and therefore against your will to validate that Christians hadnt modified the Old Testament text to insert the Messianic prophesies. you should be proud of that role. instead you think you are God instead of God's instrument to bring His Word into the worldwhen the Messiah said upon you is the blood of everyone from abel to zechariah whom ye slew between the temple and the altar - to which you added His blood be on us and our children - He meant* abel because He didnt care that He was addressing jews, He only saw the children of satan* zechariah because He was addressing particularly jewish children of satan> Now after the death of Jehoiada came the princes of Judah, and made obeisance to the king. Then the king hearkened unto them. 18And they left the house of the LORD God of their fathers, and served groves and idols: and wrath came upon Judah and Jerusalem for this their trespass. 19Yet he sent prophets to them, to bring them again unto the LORD; and they testified against them: but they would not give ear.> 20And the Spirit of God came upon Zechariah the son of Jehoiada the priest, which stood above the people, and said unto them, Thus saith God, Why transgress ye the commandments of the LORD, that ye cannot prosper? because ye have forsaken the LORD, he hath also forsaken you. 21And they conspired against him, and stoned him with stones at the commandment of the king in the court of the house of the LORD. 22Thus Joash the king remembered not the kindness which Jehoiada his father had done to him, but slew his son. And when he died, he said, The LORD look upon it, and require it.as Christ said, when you thump the Tanakh and claim to be the jews> Woe unto you! for ye build the sepulchres of the prophets, and your fathers killed them. 48Truly ye bear witness that ye allow the deeds of your fathers: for they indeed killed them, and ye build their sepulchres. 49Therefore also said the wisdom of God, I will send them prophets and apostles, and some of them they shall slay and persecute: 50That the blood of all the prophets, which was shed from the foundation of the world, may be required of this generation; 51From the blood of Abel unto the blood of Zacharias, which perished between the altar and the temple: verily I say unto you, It shall be required of this generation. 52Woe unto you, lawyers! for ye have taken away the key of knowledge: ye entered not in yourselves, and them that were entering in ye hindered.you circumcize the flesh, more radically than in the covenant with abraham, and your heart is uncircumcised. rend your heart not your garment
>>25121425>When you hear of Jim Crow, do you think of the discrimination of white romanians against gypsies? When you hear of the Cathere crusades, do you think of the catholics butchering heretics in southern France or do you think of the Rwandan Genocide?when you hear of the destruction of 80% of the buildings in gaza, the blocking of food aid to the pallies there and fake aid organization that anthony aguilar blew the whistle on, the callous war crimes against international law about the treatment of civilians, do you think about the time 5 of your grandparents were turned into soap in the concentration camp instead of being fed and given medical care
>>25121576Funny how people always find this profound love for palestinians and muslims whenever it serves them as a sword to cut down jewish self-determination.I think it was Amos Oz who said that 'if antissemites didn't have Palestine, they'd have invented it so there would be a source of outrage'.Conquest is always bloody, war is a nasty business, water is wet.>>25121536You know the sad part? Christians have been convincing themselves for the past 2000 years that they are divorced from jews. If christianity truly had nothing of jewish contribution, this would not be necessary.I cannot speak of the truth or untruth of what you say, but I can speak of your bias. I have dealt with half a dozen christian scholars who appeal to the lamest forms of antissemitic revisionism — and in doing so, fall for medieval nonsense that does not pass modern theology. All I can tell you is that if your conclusion is that jews are no longer God's people, you are very much wrong.Most christian works on the interpretation of divine texture, archeological research and historical research is centered in Israel. If your theologians have no problem dealing with jews and Israel, it is not the interpretation of internet nutjobs that should silence me.
>>25121624>Conquest is always bloody, war is a nasty business, water is wet.then hitler did nothing wrong except kill himself
>>25121624you have a problem with the concept that the jews are just another people, because you believe that the jews are their own Messiah>>25121624>fall for medieval nonsense that does not pass modern theology. All I can tell you is that if your conclusion is that jews are no longer God's people, you are very much wrong>If your theologians have no problem dealing with jews and Israel, it is not the interpretation of internet nutjobs that should silence me.this is 4chan. if you want your recency and credentialism to matter go back to plebbit where jizzy maxwell ensures that all opinions are agreeable to mossad or harvard where thats epsteins responsibility
>>25121664>implying Maxwell was not also instrumental in making 4chan what it is including a personal relationship with moot
>>25115739>The holocaust was, after all, the systemic extermination of JEWS on an industrial scale.https://youtu.be/ZeU9QVh4MI8
this is all you need to know about why OP makes these threads kvetching that goyim don't clap for israel's wars anymore
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>>25121935People make mistakes, he made up for it
>>25121624You're as disgusting as your entire race of parasites and pedophiles
>>25121941No, he killed poor Jews while the Zionists got off scot-free. Worse in the case of Robert Maxwell. He emerged from the war a millionaire
>>25116291>We deal with Al Qaeda, Hamaz, Hezbollah, Iran, Iraq, Syria and Turkey.>If Israel wasn't here, they'd be attacking or undermining you.Is this how you were trained to respond to dissidents at those Israeli Project meetings?
>>25121023Exquisite, really>concern trolling>nazibait>self righteous kvetching>christcuck baitWell done anon
>>25122465It has been a refreshing reminder of the better trolling of yesteryear hasn’t it? I’ve enjoyed watching him work.
>>25121935What's a Nazi Fahrt?
>>25122465>>25122834This basically seals the fact that /lit/ has become /pol/ with books. Sure, me debating the politically incorrect attitudes of Israel and trying to frame them within the jewish mindset can be seen as borderline trolling — until you realize that these arguments are common and genuine concerns of jews.But mostly, the only fucking thing I am trying to say is that jews are not to blame and have a right to say that they are in danger. And people just give me flak for it./lit/ doesn't read jewish books. /lit/'s library is suspiciously devoid of it. I rarely see jewish authors being discussed. People here like to discuss 20th century philosophy and have a strange talent to ignore every single jewish thinker. It is like /sci/ ignored Einstein.I am mostly very upset by making these threads, since people rarely show any interest for the books I bring, and would rather downplay jewish voices for being jewish while screaming that there is no antissemitism problem.Imagine if I had brought a black author, and everyone here reacted the same way.
>>25123359Tick tock rodent.
It is actually amusing, I recall Hitler warning of this very behaviour in Mein Kampf
>>25115739if jews really want to eliminate antisemitism, all they have to do is gain control of the media and gain control over our politicians using child prostitution or worse.https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rpU51S26hrA
>>25122875One you'll wanna open a window for.
>>25123359I’ll bite because you’re so good at this and I want to see more of it.>Trying to frame within the Jewish mindset.That isn’t what you’ve been doing, you been outright advocating for it, not framing it. That’s where most of your pushback has come from, not recognizing the own errors of their argument.>/lit/ doesn’t read Jewish authorsMordecai Richler is the best prose author I have read, hands down, his shit is incredibly beautiful. >Ignore every Jewish thinkerNot true, we don’t ignore them we just don’t agree with most of them because we dislike their arguments. 4chan doesn’t like the Frankfurt school because we’re edgelords and they are in the ascendant culturally at the moment.>Screaming there is no antisemitism problem.Again, untrue, we don’t refuse to see antisemitism, we by and large agree with it. But to be fair to you, those of us who do see antisemitism as a problem universally don’t buy into the current definition of antisemitism as laid out and pushed by the Israeli state for political cover. Criticising how Israel prosecutes the war is not the same as saying they have no right to defend themselves, I wholeheartedly agree that the have the right to kill those who agress upon them, I’m even in the camp of not caring too much how they go about dealing with those populations who do, but I deeply disagree with the notion that I have to support your state with my taxes and the blood of my soldiers, and reject the amount of influence Israeli loyalists have upon my country’s political and cultural sphere.Are you happy now?
>>25123359> if you dont agree with bombing hospitals are starving pallies> if you dont agree with pimping 12 year olds to politicians to bomb iran> then you want every jew to dieso be it
>>25115854Citizen of no country then ? What should we count them for ? The lesson is that unlike literally every other people that has suffered similar crimes, the jews have not learnt from it
>>25123697after wwii japan said no one should ever be nuked and refused to build nukes
>>2512335929In those days they shall say no more, The fathers have eaten a sour grape, and the children's teeth are set on edge.30But every one shall die for his own iniquity: every man that eateth the sour grape, his teeth shall be set on edge.31Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: 32Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD: 33But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
>>25123359You are not entitled to anything.Either the Jews are a strong independent people who can hold their own with the grace of G-d in which case you don't need my approval or you're just another dime a dozen minority begging for scraps in which case you have nothing to offer or threaten me withPick one. The entitlement of the Jewish people knows no bounds.
>>25115739oh. once again some *jew* will tell us a-l-l about what the holocaust *really* meant, and how only the jews really sacrificed. Kike OP? around 60 *million* people were killed as a result of world war two. MAY-be six million were jews, and that's even laughable it was even that many in the camps. Lets do some math. 60 million minus (maybe) 6 million. that equals 54 M-I-L-L-I-O-N people died. Now tell me all about how I need to do whatever the jew says, because muh holocaoust. get the fuck out of here, with your gay ass jew shit.
>>25115834total kike death. when Iran is beat down, pleas someone else do the missiles thing again. The wonderful. Every six months, the missiles of peace rain on israel. Until morale improves.
>>25115896>Hurwitz's book is a very necessary conversationto a jew, maybe>that admits that western people still want to genocide jewshow I wish>and that holocaust education simply failed.medical fact: zyklon B, is simply hydrogen cyanide gas. Death by hydrogen cyanide gas, you get bright red skin all over the victim. there's no WAY to gas anyone and NOT see this. its medical fact. Question then. Where are all the tales of bright red bodies? Oh, that's right... not, a, one. The myth of the six million? MAYbe 1.5 million die in the camps, and 4.5 million *magically* appear in Israel after the war ends. There, your magic six million bullshit figure. The problem with "muh holocaust" bullshit education, is that its all fake. the goyim know now, fuck off.
>>25115990>sigh... lit's weekly /antisemitism general/ thread.post no jewish lies? get no anti-anything back.
>>25116116what would a fusion of the right and left in america, united under a *strong* "no more jews!" campaign even look like. I say, take the left's liberal economic policies, and the right's strong moral conservative social valkues, unite it all under *string* anti0semitism and anti0jew sentiment.>I wonder, what would that even be like. Beyond heaven, of course. Gee, Why hasn't anyone ever tried this before. I wish someone would.
>>25116127openborders! for everyone but israel.no nationalism! but for israel, its fine and dandy,genocode bad! except when israel does it.>see the problem here? I sure do.
>>25116273>Genocide is genocide. What Israel is doing to Palestine is no less reprehensible than what hitler did to the Jews.when they're done with the Gaza extermination. I wonder what the "gaza didn't happen" books and movies will look like.kek.modern jews are just hitler 2.0
>>25125373Gentiles will never understand how demoralizing it is that the only thing that can unite a tensely poralized nation like modern democracies is the hatred towards the minority you belong to.Sometimes I will read post like these and feel like, 'just fuck these guys'.Suddenly a desire to book a one-way trip to Israel gets REALLY strong inside you.Let the goyim have their 'jew-less' paradise, and laugh as they find someone else to blame for their problems.
>>25116282>Israel has a right to exist over the right of conquestcool. so, if you get bombed and run out... we can give your country to someone else. I like that idea, kike. Iranians? are no trouble without kikes stirring them up, Iran didn't threaten the USA.
>>25116413yes. welcome to kike logic.
>>25117225>The rule of thumb for antissemites is that they shouldn't be allowes to post online what they would be too scared to scream in a synagogue.oh,kike. *precious* little now prevents the latter, and in fact, I can;t "wait" for another couple waves of shitskins you kikes bring into america, They'll scream in your synagogues, and I'll laugh when they do it.
>>25119282this. so much this.
>>25119470>So you admit that you are a coward, and that the criticism of antissemitism is just internet posturing?"boom boom Tel Aviv" that's *twice* now, missiles rain down on you horrible and despicable yids. That seem like internet posturing? twice inside of one year. i can't wait unto some more join in and tag team you fuckers.
>>25120661Hitler had a few good ideas. As it turns out, he was right. "If we lose this war, you will see." Now we ARE seeing it. Kike nonsense run amok.
>>25121576the soap was DNA tested, all bullshit. Lampshades? No, goatskin. The socks were bullshit as well. Its *all* bullshit.
>>25123359>Imagine if I had brought a black author, and everyone here reacted the same way.no no, we *roast* chicklit and niggerlit as well. you want respect? you come here "anonymous", with NO agenda. Let your argument and book stand on its logic and intellectual merits. Anything else, is bullshit and we will skewer it.
>>25125380yeah, and i notice no kike pilpul touching this one.
>>25125398please, fuck opff to israel. and? take a-l-l of the much over-represented jewish politicians, and media figures *with* you. Then? Fucking stay there! Everyone wanted a homeland for you fucking jews, to get you out of their hair! Go home, stay home. You get jewish politicians to send you billions and billionsa year of my tax dollars. you bribe my politicians with campaign contributions to do what you want with a percentage of it. Go home, stay home, and quit acting like a bunch of leeches. And do whatever the fuck you want, all by yourselves. I have NO problem with your "right to exist". But do it in your own home! Quit raiding my bank account! you fucking parasite.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqIfTiYR9_Q^^^ thread theme.
>>25125481they successfully derailed the trump train for a war that will crash the global economy and fail to cause liberal regime change, and they have no qualms about it.
>>25125520>and (((they))) have no qualms about it.
Total Israeli deathKill IsraelisBehead IsraelisRoundhouse kick an Israeli into the concreteCrucify filthy IsraelisDefecate in an Israeli's foodLaunch Israelis into the sunStir fry Israelis in a wok
>>25125486I never saw this before, and wish I hadn't.This is so fucking disgusting, and the fact it is even allowed to be posted on social media truly proves how much "jews control the world". Yeah, right. Jews control the world when you need an excuse to why you failed to launch and why you live under your parents' basement gooning while thinking about Waldun. But when it is time to celebrate jews being killed, suddenly you don't shirk away from posting disgusting AI thing.Watch this while you can because I reported the video to youtube.>>25125481>go home, jews!>noooooo, you can't have a home>get bombed!>>25125402>we can give your country to someone elseJews had to fight for Israel from day 0. Jews had to fight EVERYONE for it.Do your worst.
>>25121727they're really gonna feel the antisemitism when netanyahu's war causes oil to be $200 a barrel
>>25125777Checked those blessed digits. Also, love you dude. You’re the best darn troll I’ve seen here in years, and I’m a huge fan of your work.
