>>25120667
These IQ memes are pretty gay now. You have to make them with a sense of humour and impishness. You can’t just put your opinion there completely seriously. It might have worked ten years ago when right-wing opinions had the shock of being strange and transgressive but now Indians are posting them every two seconds and boomer retards are retweeting them from inside the White House. They no longer provoke thought (by unsettling us and dislodging us from our unconscious liberal prejudices) they just promote imbecility… Ernst Jünger and Nietzsche would probably kill themselves seeing this!

>>25120673
>Ernst Jünger and Nietzsche would probably kill themselves seeing this!
Yeah probably for the better

>>25120673
I am 70% obvious OP is a paid shill.
Entire /pol/ has been infested with memeflaggers who are pro war and post screenshots of twitter posts and bots who run the same arguments on threads over and over again

>well you see we went raped and killed a bunch of people for some richfags but it was like super noble because uuh... high human energies and stuff

God i hate this pseud shit so much

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>>25120673
>>25120676
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>>25120681

OP here, I dont agree with the image, I clicked anything in my pictures folder. Are you able to understand and answer my question?

>>25120682
It’s not exactly a question with an objective answer..

>>25120684
Well, yes... Can you tell me anything subjective? Your best guess? Your personal opinion? What am I supposed to do under these conditions

>>25120682

for starters is your use of "cope" here. why do you think its "cope" to live by higher virtues?

also even if you want to argue from cold utilitarianism you have to wonder if the base instinct and NPC behaviour is really in your best interest

most importantly, what do you want? and who are you?

>>25120690
> why do you think its "cope" to live by higher virtues?
because i dont think it leads to a happier or more fulfilling life. mostly it seems to lead to suffering and failure and in the end its all the same. what do you think?
> you have to wonder if the base instinct and NPC behaviour is really in your best interest
i think it is a fact of life
>most importantly, what do you want? and who are you?
love, order, respect, truth, trust, morality, prosperity, beauty. no connection from me to all this immorality, corruption, lies, ugliness...
i am a 20 year old dropout with upper middle class parents who's very sensitive and been trying to be virtuous but been traumatized and pushed around by people and life, ive become a shut-in and only read books, waste some time, work on my projects i never finish, i have a gf who lives a few hours away and i feel bad about how we're exposed to traumatizing things and propaganda all the time since a child. sometimes im bad too but out of how insecure and traumatized i am by just life and how ive seen things be so bad as a kid. i wish i could live in all-white utopia of virtue or with a tribe of people that look like me and work together instead being individualist but it isnt reality. naturally i am depressed with this and i think i can only cope or chase mundane things

>>25120701
youre 20 and still a cunt

>>25120703
at least im not british amirite

>>25120706
no, i mean you are being as a ‘cunt’ in the much more vulgar american sense of the term
if i grew out of paranoid schizophrenia brought about from ptsd/cptsd combo, surely you too can grow out of this white ethnostate bullshit

maybe go do americorps then finish college

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>>25120709
>just conform and be wageslave cuck bro
idk its pretty natural to want to live with people who are like you, thats not even the main point its like a footnote i dont care about race bullshit, i just wont sacrifice anything to benefit people who arent like me and feel no purpose in individualism and dont have an out to a community or any sense of being part of a nation or anything and i dont think ill gain anything but stress and regret working a soulless job and interacting with the people in college. the only thing i want from other people is sex, honest talk, and virtue.

insult me if you want but im genuinely clueless and nihilistic instead of paranoid or schizophrenic, i'll stay a jobless shut-in while my parents and my gf provide for me i dont care about gender roles or any of this social bullshit unless someone makes me understand why do any of this without being dismissive. what do you think? and are you satisfied with your life or do you do what youre "supposed" to then numb yourself?

>>25120701
>because i dont think it leads to a happier or more fulfilling life. mostly it seems to lead to suffering and failure and in the end its all the same. what do you think?
i dont inherently disagree, but i think suffering is a fact of life no matter what you do and which path you chose, and the key word here is "mostly" and sometimes you do win little victories here, so if you're going to suffer no matte what anyway and die no matter what anyway, you might as well try for those little victories

>i think it is a fact of life
sure but you dont need to let that decide who you want to be

>i am a 20 year old [...]

as far as wanting to live in that better world, i can sympathies with you, ive been exactly where you are in when i was in my 20s (im 31 now) so all i can do is share my subjective experience on working though that.

It sounds like you are fully capable of self-awareness and are fully capable of being in touch with your own feelings. we all want to live in that ideal world, but as you say, thats just not the world we live in. so where do we go from there? well as i said you seem to be capable of being in touch with your own feelings, and skill is going to be very important here. you have to think hard about that ideal world and your feelings about that world and break it all down to its base components and identify the different aspects of that life and your feelings towards these different aspects and figure out from this analysis the absolute fundamental core of what you want, then with that information, arrange your life around these smaller more bite sized things and learn to look for them and see them in this world and learn to take them with the good and the bad where you find them

for me, the things about this ideal world that truly resonated with me on a fundamental level was the idea of sincere social connections and belonging, as well as the sense of well being and vitality

so can we live in this nice virtuous utopia where everyone works together and whatever? no not really, but what we can do is look for those opportunities for sincere connection and build those connections and look for those opportunities where we can work together with other people and support each other

its not always easy. as i said sometimes you have to take the good with the bad and have a little grace and understanding for others, and you also have to be willing top open up and be vulnerable and express yourself sincerely with other people, tactfully when the time is right, and its always a gamble whether or not the people around us can also be sincere in return.

>>25120730

nice, someone sensible.

>ive been exactly where you are in when i was in my 20s (im 31 now)

what do you reckon i could do pratically? ik its hard, just give me some starting points. and how is your life now so i can have any kind of reference?

all i can think about is making art and having sex with my gf, maybe being some little capitalist who tries to get paid for these things

the best i can do is to numb myself and ignore it? while doing something i tolerate or enjoy? or is there more to it? thats what i want to know

in the end its pretty nihilistic, it seems bleak that this is life.

>but what we can do is look for those opportunities for sincere connection and build those connections and look for those opportunities where we can work together with other people and support each other

thank you i will do this, i have calluses from dealing with people because you know how fake selfish and weird everything is nowadays but i can meet more people

(i have a few friends but we dont do anything together, theyre the type to smoke and consume anything all day to numb themselves from wageslave job, sadly)

>>25120667
the voluntary fighting of a war is almost categorically the stupidest thing you can do.

spiritually and logically, it's nearly all bankrupt, because unless you are being invaded by an actual genocidal threat, the difference between being ruled by one society or the other is rarely worth risking life and limb over. assume ukraine gets taken over by russia: you will still be ruled by a group of rich oligarchs who manipulate the society for their own selfish ends. fighting to defend ukraine is equivalent to risking life and limb for the "privilege" of being controlled by a slightly better form of governance.

for somebody in america, it's way, way worse. you are literally fighting for the geopolitical interests of the pedophile owning class, who want to extract all profit from you and leave you as nothing but a worker drone.

as for the idea of "fighting for your countrymen", it's just nonsensical. you don't know your countrymen. your country has millions and millions of people who you don't know, who don't care about you, and you are willing to risk life and limb for them for the same end: having the same form of government that exploits all of you.

i'm not a communist, but eventually i do hope people (not the ghouls who fill the ranks of the owning class) will get together and come to their senses and realize that the only just war is us versus the owners, the oligarchs, the politicians, the kings... but right now, basically everybody is complicit in their own slavery. you and me included.

>>25120746
good luck fren

>>25120754
>what do you reckon i could do pratically? ik its hard, just give me some starting points. and how is your life now so i can have any kind of reference?
no thoughts on this? sad :(

>>25120746
>all i can think about is making art and having sex with my gf
That’s not such a bad life. You sound unhappy though. So maybe figure out if there’s more to add to that. As an oldfag the best advice I can give you is this: set a personal goal (of any kind, just make sure the responsibility lies with you) that seems worthy of pursuing. A mountain to climb. Observing the world and finding everything wrong with it is an essential part of your 20s, everyone with a brain goes through it. Just make sure it doesn’t become a permanent way of living. At some point you need to be able to shrug your shoulders at it all and pursue something that holds value to you, regardless of the external surroundings you may disagree with. You can’t change those anyway.

>>25120759
thank you, exactly the kind of lived wisdom i was looking for.

i have bouts of unhappiness and agony, is it not normal? you dont feel it anymore? maybe it'll go away as i get older then

>>25120667
junger was horrified of death

>>25120758
well like i said i think the practical thing to do is to identify the meaning and emotional core of that ideal world then just look for those opportunities exercise those things in real life and just try to build this sort of community around yourself.

whats your relationship with your GF like? with your parents or other family etc? that could be a great and easily workable place to start. what about your physical health or hygiene habits. you would be surprised how even small things like that can just get you a little momentum that you can use

i think you might find that if you try to sincerely connect to people you might find that it makes it easier to bear or even embrace life without having to numb yourself to the world around you

as far as im doing, things are not always perfect, fate had some unfortunate things in store for me which wont be a problem faced by other people, but i can at least say that i spent a lot of my time lost in Suicidal ideation before, but nowadays i feel and almost crystal clear certainty that i want to embrace life. like i have real direction and purpose now, and even though im sometimes still a stupid irritable bugger, but ive really tried to connect with other people and my family and it has been great for me and brings me moments of sincere contentedness and happiness

what i can say is that trying to built a better life for yourself the way ive described is a lot better than stewing in nihilism fawning over how the world could or should be. to take elements from that ideal and actually work with them in your life wherever possible gives you both direction and meaning and also tangible results and makes living in this imperfect world a lot more tolerable

Ive also been sober for like 3 years now but that has more to do with my personal situation. i think its probably ok to enjoy things in moderation


anyway i say just find work you can tolerate so you can support yourself and focus on the people around you, take care of yourself, dont be afraid of having hobbies to pass the time when you have nothing better to do

>>25120785

thank you, that is the guidance i was looking for

it consoles me that people like you exist and will relate and help

>whats your relationship with your GF like? with your parents or other family etc?

great, it is more my relationship with the world, current state of things, and strangers that pains me. i feel trapped. i dont wanna be nihilistic or complain. direct experience with it causes me that reaction. i dont know how to "mind my own business" when my own business depends on it. i think these are justified feelings according to my inborn drives albeit i'd better adapt and find ways to cope like you said.

at the end of the day this makes life a tragedy which is normal as i think it has always been for most of us

i will try to heed to your advice regardless, i don't see any other path

at the same time i'll try to stay true to myself and simply evolve/adapt in the way i can. i guess the world doesnt care and “any port in a storm, they say.”

>>25120785
>>25120796

>to identify the meaning and emotional core of that ideal world then just look for those opportunities exercise those things in real life and just try to build this sort of community around yourself.

>but nowadays i feel and almost crystal clear certainty that i want to embrace life. like i have real direction and purpose now, and even though im sometimes still a stupid irritable bugger, but ive really tried to connect with other people and my family and it has been great for me and brings me moments of sincere contentedness and happiness

even more, these are of great inspiration to me! i miss something of a mentor in my life, never had one that i liked

>>25120801
another thing to consider about the ideal world and the world as it is, if you still feel this sort of impotent longing to make the world better that i know i always felt, consider that so much of the world is out of our hands and one revolution after another fails to really change its nature at its core, but a man can in his own small way change the world through his own internal revolution

there is a biblical concept

>You are the salt of the earth. But if the salt loses its savor, how can it be made salty again? It is no longer good for anything, except to be thrown out and trampled by men. You are the light of the world. A city on a hill cannot be hidden. Neither do people light a lamp and put it under a basket. Instead, they set it on a stand, and it gives light to everyone in the house.…

as you change yourself you affect the lives around you as well, and become the "beacon of light" for other people, and in that way we can truly make the world better in our own small way, not by grandiose movements or whatever, but rearranging ourselves and sending out ripples through the world around us and even changing the lives of individuals touched by those ripples for the better

it might not make that perfect ideal world or anything but near as i can tell its about the best we can do to make the world more like it and feel like we've at least done our part

>>25120766
You get used to it. I used to care greatly about it all, now I just accept reality as it is and don’t pay it much mind. But I first had to go through it, like you’re doing now. Again: focus on yourself, build your own world to exist in as much as you can. Also work out if you can. It’s NPC advice, but it does help. Bonus point if you pick up a combat sport. Learn to box or something. Make yourself better equipped to deal with hardship.

>>25120827
Nta but this is some wisdom-pill my friend. Have a (You). Bless your soul OP. You sound pretty good.

>>25120827
>>>You are the salt of the earth. But if the salt loses its savor, how can it be made salty again? It is no longer good for anything, except to be thrown out and trampled by men. You are the light of the world. A city on a hill cannot be hidden. Neither do people light a lamp and put it under a basket. Instead, they set it on a stand, and it gives light to everyone in the house.…
>>as you change yourself you affect the lives around you as well, and become the "beacon of light" for other people, and in that way we can truly make the world better in our own small way, not by grandiose movements or whatever, but rearranging ourselves and sending out ripples through the world around us and even changing the lives of individuals touched by those ripples for the better
>>it might not make that perfect ideal world or anything but near as i can tell its about the best we can do to make the world more like it and feel like we've at least done our part

>>25120836

thank you for the wisdom, it is what I was searching for and helps me a lot, I'll save these.

>Bonus point if you pick up a combat sport.
Funny enough I've boxed for 2 years and quit after I moved end of 2024, I feel the toughness it built was pretty mindless and directionless. I have more of a meaning and ethics problem

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>>25120667
>muh ebil
>muh morality
>muh egoism
>le death is good
Thoroughly spooked. Your culture indoctrinates you into accepting external moral commands, yet none come. The nihilism you feel is the result of your atrophied sense of self ownership. You are a slave without a master.

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>>25120719
>community
This is your stupid fucking problem more than anything. “Oh what do I do le practically to build a le community” the advice people have given you is horrible. This is the stupid anxiety that creates all the ridiculous revolutionaries and stubborn, proud ‘anti-war individualists’. You need to learn to never say anything bad or critical about America ever again. You and everyone like you lives in an intellectual ghetto, and the more stubborn and proud they are the more convoluted and resentful they become. You have no idea what America is. You need to internalize that you have no right to make a value judgement on them. You’re like a Jew who lives in a little Jewish ghetto where your dad lets them lock your whole family in the ghetto at night for thousands of years. And now you have all this anxiety to have a le relation with le real life. Just absolutely out of your mind. Your stupid ‘moral problems’ are no different than an Indian trying to kill truck drivers because they’re transporting cows with the beautiful eyelashes that they can’t stand to see being slaughtered. Shut up Jew

You have to realize that the slowest, least interactive, morally sad and most mind numbingly boring day you could have is the greatest day you could possibly ever live. That’s the greatest day anyone could possibly ask for. And no you shouldn’t be going around to everyone you know like some busy body trying to ‘make everything better’. Absolute insanity.

Look at the ground. At the sensations and associations of the Earth. The Earth and it’s associations are absolutely irresistible. Just seeing one inch of the Earth is mesmerizing and worth a thousand years of torture. You need to make a promise to the Earth right now to love it forever and forever. Water the Earth with your tears. Bow before the whole Earth and claim responsibility more than anyone for anything bad that ever happened to it. “It’s my fault that children get sick and die, it’s my fault more than anyone, I’m responsible. And I don’t deserve any of these ridiculous fantasies because I’m as innocent and stubborn as a child. I’m an intellectual child” That’s what you should repeat to yourself every day. Innocent, noble, clever, foolish, crazy . Five ways of man like the fingers on a hand. If you’re an intellectual man you’re an innocent. If you’re a regular American capable of providing for people and instilling love and devotion you would be noble. Clever is like a writer sex predator. Foolish is a big fat guy. Innocent people should stay away from others. They live on a mountain and try to do things that would make celestial beings that live above the moon want to talk to them, like playing music and asking them to speak to you every day in prayers. Speaking to an angel would have to be the highest pinnacle experience I think. I’d recommend the teachings of Palingeni Stellato.

>>25120951
You are a sad and very confused little man clinging to atheism and memes as cope.

>>25120667
point of IQ meme is high and low say exact same thing exact same way, this IQ meme was made by a midwit.
Also, I'm not dying for israel, jew.

>>25120753
>i'm not a communist, but eventually i do hope people (not the ghouls who fill the ranks of the owning class) will get together and come to their senses and realize that the only just war is us versus the owners, the oligarchs, the politicians, the kings...
Lol, delusional humanist scum like you are in for a huge wake-up call when you finally realize the herd is just as bad as their shepherds.

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>>25120673
>These IQ memes are pretty gay now

>>25120680
This site is literally run by feds what else can we expect lmao I don't know if the average /pol/ user does not know this or they are legitimate retards (probable the 2nd one)

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>>25120667
famed brave war hero friedrich nietzsche

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>>25122470
to be fair he did enlist during the Franco-Prussian war though he never saw combat iirc

>>25120667
>>25120682
as evinced by the total 4chin illiteracy, there is no one left capable of having a real discussion in anything like a public forum because we can no longer maintain a centralized belief in meaning. meaning abides only in pockets, subcultures, and individuals who understand themselves to be cut off from the world-soul.

these are the facts, and posting about them on 4chan in the hope of being momentarily inspired to continue upholding your belief in the coherence of the human project will not change them.

your task is to decide how to react to these facts. there are no wrong answers, only answers you have to live with (however briefly)

>>25120667
>No one cares about anything other than monkey-instinct-level socialization
that's a far nobler cause than whatever else we have going on.

>>25120667
Weird the Israeli bots are posting on /lit/ of all places

>>25120667
You're not "supposed" to be shit. There is no one supposing you to be anything, just opinions all of which are equally right and wrong. Be what you want to be.
If you can't decide what you want to be by yourself, helping you would be the same as making you a slave.

>>25123468
But that's exactly what you have going on, you just might be too much of a midwit to realize this.

>>25120673
>Ernst Jünger and Nietzsche would probably kill themselves seeing this
Reminds me of that ancient meme of Junger's POV meeting a /pol/tard that ended with "you just sit there and bear it"

>>25120667
you are not smart and you will never fit in.

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>>25120667
>War creates no absolutely new situation: it simply aggravates the permanent human situation so that we can no longer ignore it. Human life has always been lived on the edge of a precipice. Human culture has always had to exist under the shadow of something infinitely more important than itself. If men had postponed the search for knowledge and beauty until they were secure, the search would never have begun. We are mistaken when we compare war with “normal life.” Life has never been normal.

>>25122288
concession accepted

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>>25120951
Stirner got dismantled by Marx more than 100 years ago

>>25120673
idk about jünger but to lump nietzsche in with warmongers is lunacy and exactly the thing he warns against in the majority of prefaces he ever wrote. the man was a medic for god's sake. he had no love of killing or warfare. anyone who says otherwise, is laying value judgements over a disinterested genealogy

>>25120952
too much cope, i dont advocate for christian morality or anything. i just wanna live the life my grandfather had without all this cia programming

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>>25123462
wise words, exactly what i'm talking about perfectly illustrated, just in this small observable scale of a 4chan post