it's time to admit it, /lit/. it's time to admit corncob man totally and completely mogs your favorite writer. it's okay. just admit it.
>>25127217Yeah, if your favourite writer was born in 1965 or after
>>25127220Nooooo
>>25127217The Crossing > Suttree >Blood Meridian.
>>25127217Unfortunate his last two books were complete trash, but luckily no one read them. Same with Pinecone.
not even true for only american writers. he is good tho.
>>25127231This guy is the anti-McCarthy in many respects. Writing about everything embarrassing and non-masculine that you won't find in a McCarthy novel.
Cumrag McSharty
>>25127235move your ufly dog out the wayim trying to look at them women
>>25128140thats you?bx thatsounds like uour diary
>>25127235Get those sluts out the way, they ruin the sight of that kino dog
>>25127217Willa Cather brvtally mogs him though.
>>25128365>willy catheter
When are you going to grow out of middlebrow lit, OP?
>>25128365Why do people feel okay saying nonsense on here? She's a good writer but just objectively less interesting.
>>25129059You're just retarded though
>>25129157Cope, blood meridian is still fun genre fiction!
>>25128376>middlebrowah, blood meridian, monsieur? that novel is the sark and chaparral of literature, the filament whereon rode the remuda of highbrow, corraled out of some destitute hacienda upon the arroya, quirting and splurting with main and with pyrolatrous coagulate of lobated grandiloquence. our eyes rode over the pages, monsieur, of that slatribed azotea like argonauts of suttee, juzgados of swole, bights and systoles of walleyed and tyrolean and carbolic and tectite and scurvid and querent and creosote and scapular malpais and shellalagh. we scalped, monsieur, the gantlet of its esker and led our naked bodies into the rebozos of its mennonite and siliceous fauna, wallowing in the jasper and the carnelian like archimandrites, teamsters, combers of cassinette scoria, centroids of holothurian chancre, with pizzles of enfiladed indigo panic grass in the saltbush of our vigas, true commodores of the written page, rebuses, monsieur, we were the mygale spiders too and the devonian and debouched pulque that settled on the frizzen studebakers, listening the wolves howling in the desert while we saw the judge rise out of a thicket of corbelled arches, whinstone, cairn, cholla, lemurs, femurs, leantos, moonblanched nacre, uncottered fistulas of groaning osnaburg and kelp, isomers of fluepipe and halms awap of griddle, guisado, pelancillo.
>>25129280great post I just spat and threw my tortilla
>>25129250>>25129157
Well if the replies in here are anything to go by, I'm glad that McCarthy is no longer taken seriously enough to argue about.>>25127235He looks so ashamed of his people.
>>25129424In part due to contrarianism however, though I for one was never a fan of him, his popularity here felt out of place considered /lit/ is full of pseuds who’d usually shit on a guy who wrote a Hollywood screenplay, was featured on Oprah and wrote genre novels.
>>25129283It's old pasta
>>25129424>>25129633The real reason is that most of the butthurt retards got tired visiting these threads, except for a few (like you guys), and most of the Mccarthyfags don't have to defend this position against said retards.
>>25129641I don’t think anyone is butthurt about mccarthy here except his fans who have to deal with 14 year olds obsessing over judge Holden making short reels on tiktok.
>>25129666>immediate butthurtKek.Most of those children are on ribbit and you should go back too.
>>25127217But he is among my favourites tho...
>>25129667Whatever you say anon, just from where I’m sitting, you’re the one who brought up the idea of someone being butthurt in the first place so I could easily just assume you’re projecting. I never said anything bad about the guy in the first place. I just said I’ve seen more seethe coming from his followers.
>>25129693>no uYour whole post reeks of butthurt kek. Did from the start which is why I brought it up.
>>25129641>>25129666>>25129667>>25129693>>25129708If there's any more butthurt in this thread we'll have to call the wahhhmbulence.
>>25127217He's alright, not bad. I like his early novels and The Passenger/Stella Maris but could we not just admit he's not really doing that much with the medium or doing really anything particularly novel or inventive?
>>25129771>but could we not just admit he's not really doing that much with the medium or doing really anything particularly novel or inventiveYou're too much of a midwit to get it.
>>25129771He is the only American novelist post-war who is doing something new with the medium instead of splotching moderism with irony all over the place.Coover is also pretty inventive but his invention is best visible in his short stories. His novels fall into the same rut that postmodernism often falls into.
>>25129778you're insane if you actually believe this
>>25129772Yes, I'm too much of a midwit to understand this extremely middlebrow author whose work is most commonly recommended as beginner serious literature for teenagers. He's just too dense for me.
>>25129811It's the truth though. I could write an essay on this but first I need to know how well read you are. So far you're giving a very strong "I am 20 and postmodernism is all I have read" energy
>>25129813>whose work is most commonly recommended as beginner serious literature for teenagers.False. You seriously need to find better sources for your opinions than reddit posts seething about the wendigoon video. Even if it was true, many of the great novelists are taught in high schools. Even Moby-dick used to be a staple in American high schools until the 80s.>He's just too dense for meYou speak truer than you know
>>25129813I hope you were lying about reading his early novels and TP/SM, because it seems them books were completely lost on you.
>>25129771Wait till you realize that you don't have to splice up the chronology of a novel into a million different pieces or write every chapter in a new format to be new and inventive.None of that shit is new anyway. I mean Faulkner was doing the former in the 20s; Melville the latter in 1850s. And they were imitating the masters that came before them. And these masters imitated those that came before. Everything is just variation on something that came before, in the same way that genre novels are variations on tropes. Nothing is really new in literature. If anything is truly new, it is the temperament a great writer brings that transfigures how books of that sort are read. McCarthy gets full marks on that (and arguably for multiple novels).
>>25129849you have a deranged and possibly sexual fixation on postmodernism
>>25129863mccarthy fans are so fucking pompous kek
>>25129813>extremely middlebrow author whose work is most commonly recommended as beginner serious literature for teenagersso transparently the case that you got into mccarthy because you thought he was "cool" and "underground" and now that normies know him you still need to feel special and different so you've decided that he's actually middlebrow kek
>>25129889My nose is attuned for postmodern little shits and I know you are one and a juvenile at that.
>>25129891Everyone is pompous to retards.
What a silly thread haha you boys are so silly >>25129895This is true though, there’s nothing wrong with something being middlebrow
>>25128007I read last two books twice, planning on reading them a third time
>>25127217TRUKE
>>25127217absolute TRVKE, he shits on all these fags, all his shit is so good in so many ways. nobody can compare
>>25129880>McCarthy>Faulkner>MelvilleI do think it's really interesting that this is a thing, isn't it? This channel, this line of writers that have influenced each other. Melville clearly influences Faulkner, and Faulkner and Melville clearly influence McCarthy, and I'll say they influence Toni Morrison, too. And this line of writers in Modernity represents an alternative branch of Modern literature to the line that includes, say, Joyce, Hemingway, Virginia Woolf. The Melville-branch is distinct from THAT branch, is its own separate thing. Like, Joyce and Faulkner are both considered Modernists but they're nothing alike in terms of how they write.
>>25131013Faulkner is definitely in the Flaubert/Joyce/Proust line as well. Melville's influence on Faulkner is mostly limited to prose, the others have a greater formal influence. Mccarthy's western novels seem to descend from Melville and Conrad more than the early 20th century modernists though.
>>25131063I'm the guy last year who was posting excerpts from the book about the guy recording conversations with Joyce when he was in Paris, and it's interesting to see Joyce, speaking in the 1920s, say that there have thus far been no major American writers, only minor ones like Jack London. Joyce had no knowledge of Melville, or at least not up to that point; Melville's obscurity had not yet been broken in Europe, even if by the 1920s a Melville revival was well underway in North America.I do wonder if Joyce would have been influenced by Melville if he had known of his existence. Certainly Joyce, who liked to collect influences like a magpie, probably would have given him a look, if he'd know about him.
>>25131117Melville wasn't really popular in the US until like 1920s. Europe must have caught on later. Nevertheless, Henry James seems like a big miss on Joyce's part. But I can see Joyce disliking James and loving Melville.Melville also isn't the kind of writer to be imitated. Although individual elements from his work have been highly influential in post-war American avant garde, and certainly Melville was working in a form that later Flaubert and Joyce dabbled in, but he's not really been a direct, overwhelming influence on the literary movements after him. At least relatively speaking, compared to Joyce or Faulkner or Proust. His first and probably only true heir since is McCarthy. McCarthy also seems to be going the same way. In the 40th anniversary edition of Blood meridian Philip Meyer prefaces the book by calling McCarthy the biggest influence on English prose since Ernest Hemingway. During the late 90s and early 2000s (and even now i am sure) McCarthy was the most imitated literary writer in America, but where are these McCarthyesque novels? Beyond some tenuous connections and writers tipping their hats to him, no one is really writing wholly in the tradition of a McCarthy novel. In my opinion, writers like Melville, McCarthy and even Henry James are too eccentric to be placed in overarching traditions. They'll be popular and some elements of their style will be highly imitated by posterity, but their novels will not be repeated. A Joyce or a Faulkner will be much more useful to young writers because they provide a stronger foundation for literary tradition and forms to build off of. Melville, McCarthy and James are writers to read and admire from afar, and sometimes to take certain elements from, but not to be imitated because what makes them work is extremely specific to who they were.Kafka is probably the only exception. He falls within both categories. I think Kafka was chosen by providence to be the greatest writer of the modern age. He has both: eccentric individuality and incomparable influence.
>>25131199You know who's a really underrated disciple of Melville, I've always suspected?Pic related. Lovecraft was writing right as the Melville Revival was underway, and it was taking place in universities throughout the Northeast which was where Lovecraft lived. Also, go read "On the Whiteness of the Whale" and tell me it doesn't sound like something straight out of the Cthulhu mythos. I don't think it's been formally documented but I'd be amazed if Melville was not a direct influence on Lovecraft.
