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Illyrio Mopatis = MaegorDiscuss
>>25132678>Ceryse and Maegor >Aegon the Unworthy and Stokeworth Any other pairings of older woman with barely legal guy?
What is the real world equivalent of the Lhazareen?
why did he turn her into such a fucking slut ? I like their romance and hope that fat fuck actually make them work better than the show it but it's disgusting reading her being a whore all the time for DaarioI at least hope Jon also get a good time with Val in TWOW
>>25132839It's JonxArya, anon. It always has been.
>>25132842>Grrm writes for elden ring>Adds incest Seriously what the fuck Wasn't Jonsa or Jonrya a thing too in earlier drafts?
>>25132878Only Jonrya. And from the last book, you can sés he hasn't really given up on it.
>>25132678are there any decent AKot7K fanfics?
>>25132678Please remember to include the official /grrm/ podcast, the Morning Throners, in the OP.Thank you.
>>25132878they're first cousins so its ok
>>25132839>why did he turn her into such a fucking slut ?Because she was violently and repeatedly raped at 13 and impregnated at 14. It's no wonder she likes violent pieces of shit like Daario when she was trauma bonded to Drogo who was an even worse genocider of the lambmen, slaver and killer. Hyper sexuality is a common consequence of children being raped. Remember Dany is as old as Gwin is at the tourney.
>>25132791>What is the real world equivalent of the Lhazareen?
>>25133187If this is true then how is she going to fall for Jon who is not like this ?
>>25133372he will be after resurrection
>>25132968>Incest>Delicious feasts>Big lactating tits >Large age gaps I really wonder what other series would be like if written by GRRM Eragon would probably end up having sex with a bunch of older elf women and sucking their milky tits while training with the elvesAragorn would probably find out Arwen is his half-sister or something during a massive feast, but they still decide to marry each other Harry Potter would probably marry one of his teachers or some shit after graduating. Probably also have some lactation spell or whatever.
>>25133414>sex with older women>only half siblings>marriages that are not even incestuous at allNot my GRRM.
>>25133187Gwin obviously wanted some of that Tall cock though.
>>25133424Gurm would make Ar-Pharazon and Miriel siblings instead of cousins. Or he wouldn't have Niniel jump into a ravine.
>>25133414Eragon would have a sister, not a brother, and there would this constant sexual tension between them. He would bang at least one shedwarf.
>>25133414If GRRM wrote Harry Potter the changes he would make to improve the basic characters and their shit arcs, world and magic system would make it unrecognisable. The magic system alone is totally at odds with how George views and and writes his magic. he never has 'say X and you always get Y reaction' and magic has no cost to the user.They'd be a interesting relationship with Voldermort and Harry. Perhaps for a year its Voldermort himself posing as someone else teaching the class, he doesnt want to kill Harry since he;s his horcrux and the shard of his soul in Harry makes them similar in personality.
>>25133510Now I got to ask, how would GRRM describe a hairy dwarf pussy? Dwarvish swamp?
>>25133648He doesn't seem very good with erotica. Swamp is a good one for him if the woman is very willing.
>>25133595>Female voldemort trying to seduce Harry H-hot
Is there a possibility that the first men came from the west by boat?
Watched some fucking idiot rank every Targaryen in history and he put Jaehaerys I in "you kind of suck" tier???
>>25134100Women ideology states that a man should be a good father before anything else.
>>25134100>he put Jaehaerys I in "you kind of suck" tierHe was. Couldn't control his kids, couldn't control his bitch wife, left the realm in the hands of a fat retard, appointed Hightowers to important positions and he was of the bastard line of Aenys.
>>25133595The inter-house politics, Ministy of Magic, and blood status would be fascinating in a GRRM Potter-verse.
Walk with me, my sweet summer child, and hear the tale of fat pink masts jutting into sopping wet myrish swamps and black nipples brushing against silk until her cunt became the world while in the privy the princess guzzled arbor gold and shat but the more she drank the more she shat until she was shitting brown water and around her the planks of the ship groaned like a fat man taking a shit while she cursed the gods and nuncle smiled as he broke his fast on black bread, bacon burned black, and mulled wine while capon-grease dribbled down his chin and onto the boiled leather of his jerkin for she was wet with love and did she not know words are wind and dark wings bring dark words and a lannister always pays her debts and mayhaps this is nothing but a mummers farce and useless as nipples on a breastplate and the princess has been fucking lancel and moonboy for all nuncle knows and he is the blood of the dragon for the night is dark and full of terrors but where do whores go and jon snow knows nothing and winter is coming and near enough makes no matter so nuncle smiled and dipped the heel of his bread into clam chowder and prayed for half a hundred more heh har HODOR
>>25134100Even if he doesn't suck, he's overrated. His small council did all the work of "conciliation". His wife was a battleaxe and instituted reforms that came back to bite the dynasty later, like the Night's Watch. He was a mid knight who overcompensated with training the rest of his life to let him kill Braxton Beesbury in a trial of combat. That reads badass, but that was an opportunity cost against actually administrating the realm, even though he'd be mid at best. He's basically a Robert who wasn't drunk and fat, and managed to make it past the age of 60. Aemon and Baelon could have been alright kings, but Jaehaerys outlived them long enough for Viserys to ruin the 7K with his cowardice. The Great Council didn't want Corlys running the Small Council just as much as they didn't want a queen on the Iron Throne.Alysanne somehow popped out 13 children that survived to adulthood, but out of that generation there were only 3 legitimate grandchildren. Was GRRM even aware that writing that many issue to Alysanne makes her similar to Charlotte of Mecklenburg-Strelitz? It would have been an interesting reference if not for the fact GRRM already publicly spoke that he based Alysanne on Eleanor of Aquitane, particularly her depiction by Katherine Hepburn in The Lion in Winter. I can blame GRRM's boomer education, but history actually proved Eleanor wrong. Her choice in sons were a disaster, and her open rebellion against her husband wasted the kingdom's finances.Jaehaerys and Alysanne had more spawn than half of all the other Targaryen kings combined, and they still managed to produce only fuckups to contend for the Iron Throne. Contrast them with Daeron II and Myriah Martell. Baelor Breakspear was king material, and Maekar still managed a clutch reign. Bloodraven only became Hand when Baelor died, if you don't already blame Bloodraven for all the Targ fuckups, so you can't even credit Daeron's success to Bloodraven.
>>25134327>Daeron II and Myriah Martell.Does Dornish pussy make a man wise or some shit?Well maybe not Rhaegar
Bro . . . our own men?
>>25132878jonsakeks are always trying to shoehorn their girl into grrm's wincest plotsno, nigga, jonsa has never been and never will be a thinggrrm was gonna kill her offscreen in winds
>>25134882I'm not a Jonsa fan but I SWEAR I read it was supposed to happen in the original scriptMaybe it was just some Jonsa shipper making stuff up
>>25134882Jon and Sansa is paired together in the actual physical books, their chapters are always side by side. And their stories also literally (as in the actual story/writing) mirror each other. The original plan was for an Arya, Tyrion, and Jon triangle but he's obviously switched to a Sansa, Tyrion, and Jon triangle. He's planted a ton of evidence that Jon and Sansa will be a couple, basically Eddard and Catelyn 2.0.The only thing is that George has become afraid of his own story and fandom. I heavily suspect that the reason he's taking so long is that he doesn't want to commit to a lot of the sexual and romantic themes he originally planed for due to the way fans will react. iirc he's said in an interview that things he would have wrote years ago are things he wouldn't want to touch with a ten foot pole now. So the chances of Jon and Sansa together have greatly diminished but it's by far the relationship that has the most evidence backing it up in both the main series and auxiliary world building books that he's put out.
>>25135179cont. The majority of asoiaf fans are against Jon and Sansa. One more incestuous relationship in your incest fantasy series is just one too many cousin or siblings fucking pairs? No I doubt it.People hate the idea not because of lack of evidence, but because the Starks are supposed to be "the good guys". So far all the incestuous fuckers in the story have been reprehensible George has unintentionally primed many readers to be against his plans for the most important coupling in the series.
>>25135179>>25135202You know people love these parallels but they hardly work right? It didn't work in Naruto, it won't work here. Meanwhile, in the actual books, Jon and Arya are thinking about each other every chapter. Sansa has remembered Jon exactly one time, and Jon remembered Sansa never.
Jonsa is such a funny thing. Do people actually believe that it is or ever will be a thing?
>>25135259>>25135279George has been literally screaming in various texts that he's aiming for a Jon and Sansa romance, he edited the Stark family tree to add a previous Jon and Sansa marriage between uncle and niece lol.>>25135323And he's told us a lot, that image pretty much confirms it, there's a ton of Jon and Sansa evidence. Maybe if I get bored enough I'll do a big post about it.
Does anyone have the original copypasta that this meme is parodying/ 40king. How many memes has originated from GRRM writings/ off hand interview and blog comments. It must be a lot.
>>25135323Did he ever reply any question about jon and danys romance in one of these qa ??
Why is Ned's genes so weak?
>>25135855It's implied Cat cheated on Ned with her own father. Arya is his only daughter.
>>25135072It was always Jon and Arya from day one. It's still Jon and Arya. Jon literally dies for Arya in the last book. He's set up to come back to life "I want my bride back" pilled.GRRM made Jon not Ned's son for the specific purpose of making it "ok actually" for Jon and Arya to bang.
>>25136497>It's still Jon and Arya.Nah. GRRM is too much of a cowardly old man these days.
>>25136563Forgot pic
>>25136571fucking sell out
Jon is for Dany
>>25136600Dany is a whore at this point
passages that really make you think
jonsa status?
>>25137006see>>25136497
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>>25135855What's truly bizarre is how they all have the ability to skinchange when Bloodraven says only 1 in 1000 is born that way.
What forms of incest has GRRM not written about yet?Elden Ring he wrote about gay incest and selfcestAsoiaf has father daughter (craster), sibling (targaryens). Has he ever written mother son incest?
>>25137037How would Bloodraven know how many wargs are born out of a population of millions? The Starks are also famous for being skinchangers so it's not that farfetched. Lyanna is suspected of being one since she was really good with horses.
I was thinking about this today. Why didn't Tywin send Tyrion to the wall as soon as he became an adult like Randyl Tarly did? I can't really think of a good reason.
>>25137214Because then he can't use Tyrion as a political tool. He also probably thought it would be shameful
>>25137214Because Tyrion is a Lannister and Tywin thinks they are better than everyone else. Tyrion was also still a kid when Cersei became queen, so they went from being lords paramount to royals. Jamie had joined the kings guard super early, so Tywin's preferred or planned heir left him with only Tyrion. So Tywin can't send him into exile because that would be the end to his direct line, and doubly so because Joanna was a Lannister before marriage being a first cousin to Tywin. And finally Tyrion, despite being an ugly little monster, is actually a proper functioning adult male (unlike Sam), he's smart, useful, aristocratic, well socialized, has ample manners and common sense, he's very resourceful, likes women and aren't afraid of them, and is not afraid of participating in battle despite only being knee high to other fighters. He's perfectly fine as an heir despite appearances, he has all the same flaws as other noble men including Tywin. And Tywin might hate Tyrion's guts but not enough to be blind to the fact that Tyrion is the most like him, which is why he sends him in his place to be hand. Tywin knows that Cersei is an idiot and Jaime is a lost cost.
>>25137206>How would Bloodraven know how many wargs are born out of a population of millions?I mean...how would he not?>And the weirwood … a thousand human years are a moment to a weirwood, and through such gates you and I may gaze into the past."
>>25137240>Because Tyrion is a Lannister and Tywin thinks they are better than everyone else.Emphasis on this, we see that during the rape scene with Tyrion's first wife. And from the fact that Tywin could have found a lesser noble house with too many daughters, one with at least one beautiful and witty and lusty twenty year old daughter raring to pop out some babies and she wouldn't have cared about Tyrion's looks as long as he made her laugh, and house Lannister would have been secured. But no, Tywin held out for as long as he could to get a very high match for Tyrion (the very highest he could go), and forced the marriage with Sansa.
>>25137249He doesn't know everything. Bran asks him about the three eye crow and he basically starts buffering. Other skinchangers and greenseers are also not omniscient in the sense that they are able to take in all the information ever all at once. iirc we get two characters perspective of being connected to the weirwoods, Bran and Varamyr, and so we know roughly of what they're able to see and do in there and the limitations the magic might have.
>>25137262Euron's boyhood dream about flying implies Bloodraven was actively hunting for a protege so I think he knows at least the frequency with which these abilities pop up.
>>25137284I don't think he has access to all wargs, again he doesn't see and hear everything. It's odd that he's doing nothing with Jon, or Arya, who both have command over their abilities and they both believe in the old gods and pray to weirdwoods. Especially because Jon is a Targaryen bastard, just like he is, and is following in his footsteps, joining the watch and taking up his former position as lord commander.
>bella propositioning her half-brother for sexWhat did GRRM mean by this?
>>25137258to be honest I find it a little unbelievable that Tyrion wouldn't have gotten some matchesFor example, the Florent that Robert Baratheon impregnated, Tywin offered Tyrion but her father refused. Fuck, he married her off to a Norcross who is a household knight, not even an heir or anythingI get why the Tullies might have refused (given that the Tullies are also a Great House).But even the Royces refused, and the Hightowers. The Hightowers, who married one of their daughters off to some hairy old dude from poor ass Bear Island.
>>25137302Jon and Arya don't have the greensight so he can't really groom them into being the next version of him like Bran.
>>25137329All of those houses you named are pretty prominent. I was thinking much smaller houses who would have absolutely thrown their daughters at Tyrion. Pic related is just the houses from the Westerlands, so they had a ton of choices. But Tywin would have refused them all or didn't even deign to think on it because shit and gold or however the quote goes.
It's clear that tywin was high on his own farts
>>25137347yeah but the Florent girl was literally deflowered by the King on the marriage bed of his brother, and she had birthed an acknowledged bastardlike come the fuck on, Tyrion would probably at least be better than some household knight who doesn't have squat
>>25137360Noble women do have a say in who they marry, they aren't forced into it. It's most likely Delena Florent who turned Tyrion down and not her father, even with a bastard it's not like she doesn't have options, she's of high birth, comes from a wealthy family, and has a king's bastard as her son.
>>25136618Is she ? Idk I feel like she'll become pure once she falls in love with Jon and understands love is not only about sex
Dany has only had sex with three men, them being two husbands and one sell sword. She's also turned down a bunch of suitors. She's not anywhere near whorish material.
>>25137493more like she'll spiral even further after getting fucked by the savage strength of a direwolf
>>25137451Pretty sure the kings bastard as a son is a detriment, not an upside. Then again GRRM might like that shit and it's actually meant to be a positive
>>25137642Edric Storm is acknowledged by Robert, he lived at Storm's End with Renly and on Dragonstone with Stannis.
>>25137497That's three too many.Let's check Sansa and Arya.Oh. Zero.
>>25137650Yeah, but she's still "used goods" overall. And not in a widow sense. At least she's of proven fertility I suppose
What is Jon's real name going to be? Have we ever had an idea? No chance Rhaegar named BOTH kids Aegon. Unless Lyanna didn't know Rhaegar had an aegon already and she chose it? It should be something cool like another Jace or something
>>25137736It doesn't matter, she banged a king (and cuckqueand bitchy Cersi while she drank in the other room) birthed a strong lad who lives with his royal uncles, married a handsome knight instead of a grotesque dwarf, and skated off into the sunset. She won.
>>25137764Some household knight, not even one with lands though. I guess if she likes it well enough. Marrying up sometimes isn't good, given how half the great houses ended up. And hey, at least she didn't marry an Ironborn like some did
>>25137763Who says he has one? Maybe Lyanna didn't name him or Ned never learnt it.
So what is life like for Gemma Lannister, being married to Emmon Frey?If Emmon was heir to the Twins, would the match have been more acceptable to Tywin?
>>25137806>It was hard not to feel contemptuous of Emmon Frey. He had arrived at Casterly Rock in his fourteenth year to wed a lioness half his age. Tyrion used to say that Lord Tywin had given him a nervous belly for a wedding gift. Genna has played her part as well. Jaime remembered many a feast where Emmon sat poking at his food sullenly whilst his wife made ribald jests with whatever household knight had been seated to her left, their conversations punctuated by loud bursts of laughter. She gave Frey four sons, to be sure. At least she says they are his. No one in Casterly Rock had the courage to suggest otherwise, least of all Ser Emmon.
>>25137258>>25137240I know it's supposed to be about Tywin's hypocrisy but the fact that Tywin "CK2 Main" Lannister didn't remarry just feels out of character no matter how much he loved Joanna. He only cares about his legacy but will not remarry and have more children.
>>25137943It's because you didn't understand that Tywin was a fraud. He faked absolutely everything about his life. The Tywin we meet is the mask of the man that went to sleep with Shay in the Tower of the Hand.
>>25137806>Gemma LannisterGenna Lannister.
>>25137947>The Tywin we meet is the mask of the man that went to sleep with Shay in the Tower of the Hand.Odds are it was Tywin who had the secret tunnel built into Chataya's bordello and that Alayaya is his bastard daughter.
>>25137806PLAP
>>25137943His hubris knows no bounds, his whole scheme was for the Lannisters to become royal. It didn't work with Aerys or Rhaegar so he switched to Robert and he waited long into the war to ensure that wasn't a mistake. The only woman he would want to marry is Dany lol. But that would be impossible, his head would be first on her chopping block after he helped murder her entire family.
>>25137953Dear God if I were Emmon I'd be porking her every day. Four sons? We'd have more than Jaehaerys and Alysanne if I was hers
>>25137763Aemon would be the most poetic
>>25137497She rapes her handmaiden
>>25137926Cleos is a weasel Emmon; Genna definitely sat on the Frey at least once. Genna is also smarter than other noblewomen, as she was able to tell Jaime how Tywin thinks. Cat could never articulate what's in the heads of Bryndon and Edmure. Cersei likewise has no insight to Tywin's thoughts. Genna is most likely smart enough to not actually cuck Emmon. Given what we know about GRRM using obesity as a literary device about transferred stress, Genna is perhaps fat because she over eats to compensate for poor sexual satisfaction.>>25137329>Tywin offered Tyrion but her father refused. Fuck, he married her off to a Norcross who is a household knight, not even an heir or anythingI think the answer is already here, dwarves are THAT stigmatized in the Seven Kingdoms. A landless knight is still a better prospect than the dwarf son of the Warden of the West.There are not many dwarves in Westeros, I don't think. The chapters in Essos, we observe an order of magnitude more dwarves compared to chapters in Westeros. When Westeros chapters outnumber Essos chapters 4 to 1, that can be interpreted as Essos having 40 times as many dwarves as Westeros. Smallfolk dwarves probably get culled, whereas the slaving cultures of Essos still extract marginal use from dwarves.Tyrion also spoiled his own value as Tywin's issue. Once he casually paid for whores and brothels, all the highborn know this is a dwarf who would never honor his marriage vows. Robert gets away with whores because he's not simply the king, he was one of the most powerful killers in the battlefield. In Westeros, knights have higher implicit value for their ability to kill. Might makes right. Tyrion is not a compelling image of a warrior, despite his willingness to throw down.Jaime wore the white cloak in 281 AC, Tyrion was only 8. At no point as an adult could Tyrion escape Tywin's control. This makes Florent's rejection even worse, by strict law his daughter stood to become Lady of Casterly Rock.
wait, is there still a debate over whatever Jon and dany is endgame ? ain't this kinda obvious the moment you start reading their POVs and notice all parallels and foreshadowings ?
>>25138471>parallels and foreshadowingsSuch as?
>>25138500The pic I posted is an official book cover from 2011, so even that counts as oneThere are a lot, but here are just the main ones I can remember right now:>Dany’s third marriage being symbolized by a blue flower blooming on a wall of ice >Dany sensing his death through a wolf’s howl and feeling sad and lonely >Jon briefly seeing a woman with silver hair and pale skin when he looks at Val >Jon dreaming of the moon calling him, and mel saying he’s been kissed by the moon while Dany is the one constantly called “moon” in her povs>“Her captain slept beside her yet she was alone” “Ygritte was sleeping beside him but he felt alone” >Missandei saying all she sees for dany’s future is “snow” >Dany dreaming of a lover whose face is hidden in shadows and later Jon being described as a “man in shadows” and "his face was hidden in shadows"those are just the ones I can remember now but I'm sure if you dig into their povs you'll find a lot more
>>25138522Strongest thing about all this is the cover. Didn't know about that.
>>25138542>Strongest thing about all this is the cover.I'm pretty sure he's being meant to be her third husband and she feeling his death from the other side of the world is very strong too
>>25138548Nah, I don't think that's what it means.
>>25138550what else would it even be supposed to mean then ?I get people that don't like their relationship after the show but being in denial about the fact everything points to them always feels so fucking retardlike "I personally don't like it so that can't be true"
>>25138550nobody cares about whatever you think anon, it's not that hard to understand at allblue flowers blooming into a wall of ice=Lyanna's son growing up at the wall and then a voice calls Dany "bride of fire" after it symbolizing her third and last marriageand why would dany (who is no stark and has no magic connections to wolves) randomly hear a wolf howling, the symbol of jon's death, and feel sad and lonely ?
>>25138576Because people who point this random shit out usually ignore everything else against it.
>>25138629>random shitand it's evidence as strong as R+L=Jand what's against it ?
>>25138631>and it's evidence as strong as R+L=JIt is not, because R+L=J already had happened, Jony is wishful thinking. To the horny, every hole means sex.>and what's against it ?For one, there is a lot for JonVal, JonArya, and even the JonSansa.
>>25138433I think the show also spoils people to Tyrion. He's played by Dinklage who is like a legitimate 10/10 or 9/10 for a dwarf.In the books he's shorter and a lot more unsettling to look upon, to the point that imp describes his face as much as his height. Show Tyrion is however far more palatable as a partner because at least he looks somewhat good in the face. This of course is kind of true for most show characters, they all prettied the uglies up (Brienne, Jorah).
>>25137763For a long time I was convinced it was Jaehaerys. There's some cheeky stuff that ties J & A to J & A. But nowadays I think it's Aemon.
>>25138655:talking about wishful thinking and at same time bringing up JonArya and JonSansakekI do think Jon and Val will fuck tho but it'll be more a fling like dany and daario and doomed to end before he meets dany
>Then phantoms shivered through the murk, images in indigo. Viserys screamed as the molten gold ran down his cheeks and filled his mouth. A tall lord with copper skin and silver-gold hair stood beneath the banner of a fiery stallion, a burning city behind him. Rubies flew like drops of blood from the chest of a dying prince, and he sank to his knees in the water and with his last breath murmured a woman's name. . . . mother of dragons, daughter of deathDany isn't literally the daughter of any of these people so why is "bride of fire" interpreted literally?
>>25138726because the previous two visions is about her marriages to drogo and hizdahrthis is also probably about them marrying while she's fighting ww with fire
>>25138752Her horse trotting through a stream, a corpse on the prow of a ship.....where is hizdahr in any of that?
>>25138803The corpse is victarion who'll most likely kill hizdahr and end her second marriage
Does anyone else like the Brackens more than the Blackwoods just cause the Blackwoods get so much author favoritism?Like I root for the Brackens just cause they are always the underdog fighting fate itself
>>25138829>“Your Grace,” said Torwold Browntooth. “I have the priests. What do you want done with them?”>“Bind them to the prows,” Euron commanded. “My brother on the Silence. Take one for yourself. Let them dice for the others, one to a ship. Let them feel the spray, the kiss of the Drowned God, wet and salty.”
>>25139116What's that even supposed to mean ? Make up your argument instead of dropping random passagesIdk how any of this disproves her bride of fire vision lmao
>>25136563What if he writes Viserys III had chosen to squire under Myles “Blackheart” Toyne instead of clinging to the Iron Throne dream
>>25139310The corpse in the vision is Damphair tied to Euron's ship. Has nothing to do with Hizdahr.
>>25139053Riverland houses are all shit.
>>25139567Even if it's supposed to be euron, once again how does that disproves the blue flower in the wall of ice is meant to symbolize her third marriage ? Lmfao
>>25139593It throws into question whether the visions are about marriage at all.
>>25139580Not the same since Justman clan goes extinct.
>>25139593She literally gets called a bride when she sees this vision and it applies to the rule of three
Is there an explanation to why there aren't any big population centers in the riverlands?
>>25139704Because George is a writer, he isn't concerned with making sure that the world he wrote makes sense in real world terms. He is a writer, his main focus is writing a story where he then builds a world around it not the other way around. Most fantasy writer are like that because they focus on writing not world building.
>>25132678i guess everythings a maze to blind people
>>25139866>>25139704As a gardener writer, GRRM is even more in-the-moment than other authors. I can't think of a contradiction in the same book, but consecutive books will have contradictions because GRRM was in a totally different head space with the sequel book. AGOT Jaime offers almost 0 opportunity for redemption, and even Cersei's POV stays in the same lane as what AGOT set. ASOS Jaime is an actual character, and one everyone agrees Jaime POV holds up the series. The contradiction? Once he speaks about the wildfire plot, you have to wonder why he was the only person still aware of the wildfire, and why he only killed pyromancers before Robert's coronation. GRRM wanted to make Jaime a secret hero but there isn't enough context in the aftermath of his killing Aerys.
>>25139580>Riverland houses are all shit.Which is stupid, as the Riverlands should be most powerful region in Westeros, as it has excellent agricultural lands (and farms = wealth and warriors) and easy trade routes while literally located in the center of the continent.
>>25140175Yeah but it's stuck between other powerful houses. Like Poland being stuck between Germany and Russia
The absolute state of riverfags.
>>25132678How is it that even after GRRM became a household name his horror work remains obscure. You figure people would be reading Fevre Dream or Skin Trade like crazy (especially in the wake of the HBO shows) and studios would be scrambling to adapt them. Why has this not been the case?
>>25140397Dilution of the brand?
>>25140175There are no easy positions to defend besides the rivers as their own barriers. In the map you posted, you can see the corridor connecting Westerlands to Riverlands. The Neck stops North access, but Ironman's Bay is wide open for, you guessed it, Ironiggers. Only the Blackwater slows access from The Reach and the Stormlands. The God's Eye is just a speed bump between KL and the Trident. Before the Conquest, 4 kingdoms aggressively competed for what became the Crownlands. Hoare, Durrandon, Lannister, and Gardener would meet in the western and southern parts of The Riverlands. Aegon was able to seize the Crownlands so easily because it was beyond the natural focus of conflicts. Even Storm Kings struggled to extend that far north for risk of losing to the Garderners in the West. After the Conquest, all wars pitch battles NW or SW of KL. The Battle of Red Grass Field was somewhere south of the Blackwater.If the capital of the 7K were instead at the Mander, wars would actually concentrate south of the Blackwater instead of at the Trident.The Targaryens slowed war frequency in the Riverlands from every decade to just every 40 years. So the Targaryen Dynasty is the only time the Riverlands have had opportunity to build up. Remember that pillaging to feed armies is extremely costly. The amount of land to feed 1 man for 365 days, 2 acres, can feed 365 men for 1 day. Now try to march 36,500 men for 30 days. Such an army would consume 28.5 square miles of farmland a day. After 30 days, 855 square miles is devoured. 4 contiguous months consumes the entirety of North Yorkshire. All the people that live there can't eat on that land again for another 3 months.
How different are the books from the show? Haven't read anything in months, and just need something to get me back into the habit.
>>25140670First three seasons are pretty much direct adaptations of the books, then it starts to go off the rails as their source material runs out.
>>25140397(People not recognising him for his other work is something that George hates himself.)
>>25140175Plus redheads waifu
>>25133408lolWill he be dark Jon, something like Euron?
>>25135863Jesus Christ.
>>25141177Not like Euron but he'll probably be colder and more aggressiveBut I think Dany will be more attracted to the fact he won't knell or let her have everything her way while still respecting her (kinda like the show)Plus their magic connection will probably draw them attracted to each other
Gerion Lannister is the Shrouded Lord.
>>25139406Kino…>>25140365It based off Rhineland or Germano-French historical border
>>25139704Seagard or Harrenhal could serve as potential economic large city.
>>25132842>>25132839Jon Snow x Joy Hill will united warring households.
>>25140392>every surrounding kingdom is stronger because... well, just because!--History Professor Emeritus Gurm--
>>25133414>Aragorn would probably find outfind out what? we'd still be waiting for george to 'finish up' towers. however we would be hearing an awful lot about the 'isengardian knot' and how difficult it is to write the noldor(rivendell), the noldor(lothlorien), the sindar(mirkwood) all interacting with each other and the humans(wildmen- now about six factions), humans(rohan), the humans(gondor), the humans(...), the humans(...evil?), the dwarves(...), the dwarves(...not participating but we now have a pov character being teased from dain's folk). and dont get old george started on the sauron factions of men and orcs! it's going to take even longer when he finishes towers to even get started on return!but you would be getting a new short story about fegold the fat (alt known as fegold baggins), a hobbit 200 years before bilbo's time who participated in the grand feast of the shire in 803, inadvertently causing the Took of the time to rupture his stomach in an eating contest and causing merigold of hobbitrock (took on her mother's side) to be the next in the line of succession as Took, also she was the mother of merry, but that's not confirmed he just told the actress for merigold about this on set.
What character do you think got prettied up too much for the shows?I honestly feel like Jorah being played by Iain Glen makes the idea of him loving Daenerys less creepy than the books
>>25141508Obviously Tyrion.
>>25141512To be fair I don't think there's any real life little person actors who look close to grotesque enough to be book Tyrion
>>25141523Then have him wear makeup?
>>25141526I wonder if a bulging forehead like book Tyrion is something that can be done easily. Then again makeup has made Laughton into Quasimodo so it's probable they can at least make Dinklage look uglier
>>25141512Give imp a golden prostate nose too
>>25141508ramsay
>>25141508>creepyDaenerys was teen loli right?
>>2514154914 or so I thinkGiven how GRRM described a 7 year old girl as the most beautiful in the Maidens Day ball, I think Dany is old hag by his standards
What is the fat man doing right now instead of writing new Arya chapters for me?
>>25141560He's going to the play in the UK. Wish I lived in the civilized world and could go there too.
>>25141543I always thought the Ramsay actor looked like most the average Irish male I’ve ever seen so I was surprised to see people repeating that he was way too much of a stud to be playing Ramsay. Then again, we have women creaming themselves over other Irish actors like Paul Mescal or Barry Keoghan apparently so I just can’t tell anymore.
Be honest, if you were George, would you be too embarrassed over never releasing Winds that you would never show your face in public ever again (or at least do cons and such)?I know I would. That’s like showing up to work for 14 years without ever having finished an assignment, and at a certain point you don’t even have to come up with excuses anymore because your boss (his fans) are too embarrassed on his behalf to even ask. I mean I even used to get jitters if I showed up to class without having done my homework - meanwhile that man has been doing it for the past 14 years.
>>25141846>>25141550>14 yearStill no WoW
>>25141846People don't really care as much as you think they do.
What do my top five favourite houses say about me? Dayne, Dondarrion, Morrigen, Hightower, and Greyjoy
>>25141846>if you were GeorgeThe first thing I'd do is make an open and direct statement on my blog that I might not be able to do this and for my readers to not expect anything from the main series, and then get to work doing the Dunk and Egg novellas + the sequel to Fire and Blood.Demoralising? Perhaps. But you shouldn't keep stringing your readers along.>would you be too embarrassedYeah. I wouldn't bother visiting cons at that point, because that'd just invite awkward questions.
>>25142027Animefag
People complain about the technology stagnation in the world of ASOIAF, but didn't the same thing happen to Egypt for over five thousand years?
>>25142236Not a fair comparison. People in Westeros are white.
>>25142254So were Egyptians.
If you to take a look at what houses are Martin's favorites, look no further than checking whose houses married into House Targaryen, have current descendant and are thus in the genetic line of both Jon and Dany:>Martel (le woke egalitarian brown house)>Dayne (heavy ties with the Azor Ahai myth and the good foil of le evil Hightower chuds)>Blackwood (no explanations needed, they are Martin's favorite minor house>Stark (main protagonists of the whole saga together with the targs)
GRRM's world just does not make sense unless you headcannon that there are more days in a year than ours. There's just no way Robb and Daenerys were lik 13 and 14 respectively. They have to have been like the equivalent to 16 or 17 in our world or something.
>>25142434They're actually shorter according to GRRM. So, in reality, they're even younger.
>>25142445What a goofy ass world the fat man created. All the shows are right to age these characters up.
>>25142458You thought Robb was called the Young Wolf for nothing?
>>25142462Jon and Robb don't bother me at all. Daenerys, however, is like 13. It's funny seeing women criticize the characters in the narratvie for lusting after and even raping a 13 year old girl, but put none of the blame on GRRM for writing that shit in the first place. Ilyrio saw 13 year old Daenerys and got so hot and bothered that he had to order a whore to fuck to kill the urge. GRRM describes her like she has women's tits and a woman's figure. Just like he describes Robb with a beard even though he's like 14.
>>25142475I also remember GRRM said somewhere (might be wrong) that the races of Planetos don't EXACTLY match the races of Earth. Well, obviously, since there is no race of purple-eyed albinos that can't get burnt. Robb is first men, who often give the idea of being these masculine and rustic and hairy men. It might just be they get beards early. Same for Dany, whose closest associated race I can think is a nymph.
>>25142482>Robb is first menWell, first men and Andal.
>>25142482I will accept this. They mature quicker. Boom.
>>25142492But surely there's a catch somewhere, since he could have just said the years are the same length, or just never touched the subject at all.
I'm planning on commissioning some character art for some minor character.Who are some characters who have little art but still have descriptions?
>>25142484Catelyn's father was a Whent, and House Whent is an offshoot of House Lothston. Danelle Lothston was how GRRM inserted Elisabeth Bathory into Westeros. So Robb has First Men ancestry through his mother.>>25142482Redheads are the most magical people in general. Red Priests aren't from Westeros but possess magic. Lothston and Dondarrian stand out. Non-magical red-heads still are prominent in the history; Trant, Redwyne, Marbrand.Valyrian white hair definitely indicates magic, but plenty of Targaryens were mundane, and the population of Lys is unremarkable for its size.Darkest haired brunettes are quite magical; Stark, Bolton, Blackwood, Baratheon.I have a hard time remembering magical light brown and blond people. I don't remember what Reed hair color is supposed to be.>>25142458>>25142434Does anyone know if GRRM uses underaged characters in his other works? I feel like GRRM went out of his way to write early teen and pre-teen characters in ASOIAF because of a boomer obsession with the idea that Medieval people died of old age at 35 so had to reproduce at 12.
30 years waiting, there will surely be a whole chapter dedicated to Jon and Dany having brutal and savage incest sex right ?
>>25142715only two books left, lad, idknot unless he does a timeskip somehow.
>>25142482>purple-eyed albinos that can't get burntwhat did he mean by this?
>>25142720I think most POV side characters will be dead by the end of TWOW and ADOS will most likely focus on the main 5 POVsThere will be enough time to develop a jon x dany romance since both of then have POVs and we have the buildup thereHell the moment dany sees jon she might recognize him as the shadowed man in her dreams and instantly get the hots for hin
>>25142765>There will be enough time to develop a jon x dany romance since both of then have POVs and we have the buildup thereJonxArya was already developed.
>>25142807>JonxArya was already developed.give it up, bro
>>25142827You know the fat man was talking about Arya and Tyrion here >>25136571 right?
>walder frey'a eldest son and heir does fighting for Robb Stark>Walder already has a marriage bond with the Lannisters from Emmon >He pushed that bond aside because Robb promised an even better bond with the King in the North>Tion and Cleos are also killed as a direct result of the war >Frey is sworn to Tully but he is also sworn to the Crown so either way he breaks an oath Really the Freys are actually kind of understandable. I don't agree with the red wedding but I definitely agree with them abandoning Robb after he married Jeyne
>>25142807idk whatever you're being ironic or not but it would be way harder for grrm to explain atp how Jon would from seeing Arya as his little sister to wanting to fuck her than making Jon and Dany get the hots for each other
>>25142923ygritte's naked body reminds jon of arya twice
>>25142960Nope. Martin himself said that it's because Ygritte does things that Jon is familiar with (specifically said for example that Ygritte has messy hair and that isn't a turn off for Jon since he was familiar with messy hair on a girl from Arya)
>>25142923I trust the fat man. If he only what was easy we'd never have ASOIAF.
>>25143001I know that quote. It's from the 2016 Balticon report SSM and the person who posted it said::>George did not directly answer yes or no if there would be anything romantic between the two.So yeah. It means nothing.
I am a specialist in romance and romance plot points (I'm from Latin America). I could only see the weavings of romance for Jon in the following characters: Mellisandre, Val, and Arya. While it's there, I would not bet on Mellisandre. Val can happen to a tragic end. But Arya is endgame.
>>25143152dany and jon literally dream about each other
Yi Ti spinoff when?
>>25143179Ironically, those things are not as important as the may seem. You know what hits hard in romance? Arya refusing to let go of her name because that would mean forgetting Jon.
>>25143192literally just because he is her brother
does bloodraven goon?
>>25142434The characters are young because he thought the books would take place over a lifetime. Obviously it didn't so he thought to add a timeskip to age them up, obviously that didn't happen either. And that's where all the problems stem from.
>>25141334>SeagardIt's right next to Ironborn and is very far away from strategic positions in the riverlands. >HarrenhalIt could have been a potential center for the riverlands but I think it's too far from trade routes.
>>25143464No, he's got a root for a cock
New morning throners ep, part 2 of The Mystery Knighthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KbQCyKmdBWM
>>25143152>I am a specialist in romance and romance plot pointsWhich means fuck all when it comes to asoiaf
>>25143514They're already aged up enough in my opinion. Biggest problem is that Arya hasn't flowered yet, but that can be solved in a page or two. After that, everything is game, no need to age up anymore.
>>25143192Dany literally dreams of Jon fucking her and wakes up horny
>>25140849They didn't run out of source material; they chose to stop adapting it.
>>25142558Hmmm....TheMico has drawn almost every ASOIAF character, so maybe just go through the Wiki to find one he hasn't?
>>25142236>didn't the same thing happen to Egypt for over five thousand years?No.
>>25143731I'm a sucker for a good timeskip. If GRRM can somehow fit it in somewhere in Winds or between Dream, I would like that a lot.
>>25144094That chart can easily represent 600 years of architecture, because the cutoff for "Old Burial Site" and "Mastaba" is vague and accounts for 500 of the 600 years I give as an example. The jump from Bent Pyramid to Great Pyramid is under 60 years, but I think you would agree it's more fair to start with Meidum as the evolution from the exposed step pyramid. All the smooth surface pyramids were built within 150 years, though Khafre and Menkaure make up that last half-century. The culture then shifted to the worship of Ra, and perhaps enough of the kingdom realized these tombs were a serious sink of resources and time. So the pyramids abruptly ended as a pursuit, because "better" technology diverted to smaller hidden tombs. Technology tends to advance in bursts after long periods of very slow progress.GRRM is terrible at giving attention to world-building. He's not wholly terrible at worldbuilding, but his gardening method of storytelling means that he will ignore the logical consistency of the elements he selects for his Disney-fied facsimile of feudal England. Anytime he chooses to develop a story about a location or custom, it will satisfy readers to keep following. GRRM didn't set out in 1996 to say Westeros is a continent that never changed in 20000 years. It's more likely he set out to tell stories that take place over 400 years, same scale of time to build those pyramids. Nobody in those stories actually knows, is able to know, or even cares to know the history of their lands beyond the polities they can immediately experience. You can see the Nativities in gothic cathedrals, the Biblical characters look like the people who built those cathedrals. People of the Seven Kingdoms are the same with their "Bible" stories. GRRM writes for the POV of contemporary Westerosi unable to think historically. GRRM also happens to fail at publishing the Wikipedia perspective of their history, so we only have the character narrative, not the meta-narrative.
The whole internet is going to go crazy around May 25–30>Jon's chapter (titled 'Ghost') starts with him running away and bleeding>A woman's voice keeps saying a name he can't recognize, and he realizes it's the moon itself calling him, he's scared>The last thing he remembers is being stabbed, but he's forgotten his own name, he still remembers Arya's name and that he needs to rescue her, though>The moon gets close to him and turns into a woman "as white as winter with moonglow in her hair" her face covered in flames>They make love, and her vagina burns his penis like fire until he screams in pain>He wakes up and realizes he's running wild as GhostFeel free to think I'm trolling, but print this out and remember me when it's announced
>>25145107jonarya is disgusting and you need to kill yourself
>>25145245>reads GRRM>doesn't like incest
>>25145259we prefer jonsa around here
>>25145297both will happen
theon's chapters in adwd are so fucking good bros
>>25140849>it starts to go off the rails as their source material runs out.>>25143987>They didn't run out of source material; they chose to stop adapting it.Indeed, Dumb & Dumber had four (4) books of 1000+ pages each when they started the show and the fifth book came out the same year as S01.
>>25132678What castings do you think were perfect?I think the first Gregor actor, Conan Stevens, was great. He was scary looking and looked similar enough to the Hound that you could believe they are brothers.Second one looked too tame and Hafthor looked too Icelandic with his somewhat puffy face and nothing like Sandor.
Why does Littlefinger think Margaery doesn't want to be queen?
>>25145401The question is, would they have run out by now? And if the show hadn't ended with the backlash that it did, would the fat man have released Winds by now?
>>25145469tywin, varys, arya s1-s4
>>25145469Varys, Barristan, and Aemon. The first two are impeccable. Aemon just happens to pronounce Maeker differently than everyone else does in Dunc, and his script omitted Jaehaerys when he named his family lineage. Tywin and Davos are just off by hairs, literally. If you see younger Dance, his hair is naturally a lighter brown that can easily be made blond or orange under Hollywood lighting. This happens to line up with Tywin being Marbrand through his mother.Hafthor is the same age as Thomas Brodie-Sangster, and he already was the world's strongest man. So the puffy face is both his youth and bloating from HGH.>>25145507They could have closely adapted the books as far as 12 seasons, but only if they double-filmed early on. Seasons 1 and 2 should have been shot together. Yeah that's way more work on the cast, but HBO was willing to blow the big bucks on this project already. Do the same with seasons 3 and 4, and then the children can be recast for the time dilation. 3 years DO go by in the books we have. Regardless of 12 seasons or not, the classy move would have been to end the show unresolved when there's nothing left to adapt.Live-action is how GRRM imagines things, but the amount of content he tries to tell with ASOIAF requires such long-form screentime that it's impossible to 1:1 adapt everything by Hollywood live-action quality. 1:1 would require 16+ seasons of ten 1-hour episodes, would cost a fortune to monopolize those actors that long. In a way, he fulfilled the unadaptable premise of the books. The only format that can visually adapt the series 1:1 without running against biological clocks is animation, something anathema to the TV-brained. Anime has long-form talking drama down pat, if you ever seen Legend of the Galactic Heroes you would know that's the medium for long political dramas in fictional settings that Hollywood can't reproduce.>>25143550Crossroads Inn is the perfect spot to grow into a city: roads, river, central location.
>>25145506does he think that? what a retard
I'd like to write an incest story. What was GRRM's secret? How did he make people want to read them?
Everyone mocked Isayama for saying he was inspired by ASOIAF when writing his ending but the funny thing is he probably figured out the books ending way before any of usJon will come back different and slowly grow more and more obsessed with the idea that all the kingdoms need to unite and prepare for the next long night. (I think he’ll discover there’s no definitive way to stop it from happening; it may take another few thousand years, but it will happen again) by the end of ADOS, he’ll pull an eren move and become the big final villainDany will be the one to understand his plan and slay him, fulfilling all the prophecies: she’ll be azor ahai, and jon will be her nissa nissa.
>>25145973gayand there are not enough books for that with the pace he likes to go with
>>25145977ADOS will be a long ass book and have way less POVs than WOWThere will be enough pages for it, dw
>>25145985No, it'll probably be smaller than the last ones.
Tyrion spent an entire book on a boat and you guys thing there are enough pages for another huge ass war? lol
The fat man has written himself into multiple corners. At this point he should privately ask other authors for help getting out of it and then take all the credit. He obviously can't do it on his own.
>>25145994He never said anything about that, there's no reason to think the final book will be smaller than WOW (which will already be pretty long)>>25145998But there is a huge ass war coming anyway lol
>>25146009Not realizing the time-skip killed the story. I'm not a fan of time-skips either but it was stupid of him to set it up then change his mind right after.
What the fuck is George even DOING right now?? Lining his brain with eyes???
>>25146738Figuring out how to make JonArya work.
I'll say it: I felt bad for Pate.
is house of the dragon worth watching? heard literally nothing about it. how faithful is it?
>>25147645Less faithful than the later seasons of GoT. You know how the Dance is told from the perspective of the two historians, the septon and the jester? The showrunners decided that those two are wrong and they have the real story. Thus, the Dance became about the queens suffering from the oppression of the westerosi patriarchy, daily tormented by the evil and cruel men of their lives.
>>25147690That's extremely embarrassing. How do you have all those years of everyone going "all of these changes only make the story worse than the books, the later seasons were dogshit, please just do a straight adaptation this time".There has never been a single defender of the finale. So to spit in the face of that reality with a new show that is also unfaithful is embarrassing hubris of the highest degree.
>>25147645It's a show written by a lesbian's TRUTH of the events of the Dance. The only accuracy is the characters have the names and appearances of their book counterparts. Pic related, it's 24 uninterrupted seconds from the second season. Yes they unironically aired this at the expense of screen time for the war. Unlike GoT S8 which hamfisted GRRM's actual plot goals, HotD S2 inserts so much writer fiat that GRRM had to blog angrily about it. Think about that, that season got GRRM so mad he actually sat and typed. If you skip over any scene involving women, you get a ton of memes from Greens and Blacks being retarded.There's a bizarre scene with House Frey that feels like a Wes Anderson clip, but you get to see Freys before they turned into lying weasels. HotD invents a Willem Blackwood as a suitor for Rhaenyra, but after the timeskip he reappears in S2 running the house as presumably the regent for Benjicot. The Battle of the Burning Mill is kicked off by what appears to be a Blackwood cousin and the nephew to Amos Bracken. S1 has what likely is the younger brother to Amos Bracken get killed by child Willem Blackwood. It's all show-only but I can never refuse Bracken and Blackwood violence.>>25145554>>25143550Harrenhal was originally the nexus of economics. The King's Road and King's Landing pulled traffic to the east of the God's Eye. As the road happens to flank the Trident west and north of the Crossroads Inn, there's no reason for trade to divert to Harrenhal. Aegon indirectly doomed the castle to squalor because there's no reason to visit it other than assemble for Great Councils and tournaments. What would likely happen going forward is the castle gets scavenged of its stone for the construction of other works nearby, either a much smaller keep or a bridge. Harrenhal's stones are too big, think 1 ton and larger pieces fitted for the walls. They'd have to be recut.
>>25147715Hubris, I suppose. Isn't it interesting how GRRM talks so much of hubris in ASOIAF and the people supposed to love it can't help but fall to the same trap. What do we call this? Kafka has kafkaesque. Martian? lol
>>25147724Bro how is this shit approvedLike do they even process how disrespectful it is to make such sweeping changes in adaptationI understand a couple of small changes for the medium here and there but that is crazy
>>25147737I'm starting to think that motion picture people simply don't have any respect for literature. Period. Even the LotR films, which we all love, was called an insultingly juvenile adaptation by Christopher Tolkien.
>>25147744I mean this with the fullest respect to Christopher Tolkien, he's full of shit.Those films were only as good as they were thanks to Peter Jackson, and I'd go a step further and say that at the time literally any other team in Hollywood would have made films that were far worse in every area and only appealed to the lowest common denominator.Even with the changes and disappointing cuts, the LOTR trilogy is as faithful as you could possibly expect a Hollywood three-part adaptation to be and still carry the essence of the books.It's not even a comparison - by contrast, the GOT show was doomed from the start because it made extreme fundamental changes to characters, insofar as changing the names, ages, and even the histories of vital characters and generally making a mess of the timescale, when in the books the exact timing for every major event since Robert's Rebellion has a known and consistent date.
>>25147744The tolkien family, the tolkien estate, and tolkien scholars are all perpetual whinersIf there was an award for moaniest people on (middle) earth it would be tolkiens descendents, lawyers, and academic fanboysConversely anyone who is a passionate fan who is not an academic should be taken more seriously, because when that happens you end up with excellent adaptations such as the warner bros movies or the shadow of mordor video game
>>25147791(Me)Meant for you as well >>25147776
I just read Nightfall by Isaac Asimov and I can't stop thinking that's where GRRM took his Long Night inspiration from. Maybe The Long Night is really an eclipse that happens every few thousand years or something. The world seems made for it. Taking that into consideration, we could imagine that the power of the Great Other grows the closer the world is to the eclipse, and the power of the Sun keeps him at bay.
>>25147811sounds cool. havent read much asimov
>>25147815It's a short story, less than 15k words. Worth a read imo.
>>25147737>>251477441) Hollywood was founded by illiterate Vaudevillians unwilling to pay Edison's monopoly on film. These are the quasi-criminal elements of interwar NYC, caked with heavy minority in-group bias, that refused to integrate into the legitimate business structure even if Edison himself was a prick. Their aversion to out-groups includes academics, animation, and entrepreneurs. This is why there has to be sconces in a medieval castle. This is why the Academy created a category for animation, just to prevent Disney from winning Best Picture. This is why Disney got taken over by Hollywoodians and shits all over Walt's vision by eliminating their 2D animation. This is why Hollywood is full of champagne Marxists.2) Hollywood, through various labor disputes over the decades, has this idiotic requirement that any adaptation contain an arbitrary % of original material. I think it's a built-in protectionism that keeps Hollywood writers around to, well, write. So no matter how many guns you put to heads, record blackmail, and bribe, someone in the chain is going to force a deviation from the book. Do any of the guns, blackmail, and bribing enough, they'll find a way to punish you later.Really, Hollywood is completely irredeemable that you're better off somewhere else if you can secure outside funding for the project. Unfortunately, all creative people just accept Hollywood instead of going their own way. This causes all motion picture people to look down on other media, be it books, music, and video games.>>25147811GRRM in interviews is someone digging his pockets for any sound byte to sound cool and confident. So when he said that the seasons of Westeros are magical and not caused by astronomy nor a nuclear winter, it could be bluster for something he never actually explained to himself. I think the intent we can take away is that GRRM wants a magical explanations for these things. Consider the Arm of Dorne, it doesn't fit Plate Tectonic Theory.
>>25147875>I think the intent we can take away is that GRRM wants a magical explanations for these things.That may well be truth. But the wording in the short story is suspicious. It talks clearly about the cold as the eclipses starts, and ends with 'the long night'. Obviously I'm not trying to prove anything here, but it sounded oddly familiar to me.
>>25132678>When King Viserys took Alicent Hightower to wife in 106 AC, House Velaryon was notable for its absence. Princess Rhaenyra poured for her stepmother at the feast, and Queen Alicent kissed her and named her “daughter.” The princess was amongst the women who disrobed the king and delivered him to the bedchamber of his bride. >Rhaenyra literally disrobed her dad to get him ready to fuck his new wife What the fuck GRRM
>>25147737>Bro how is this shit approvedHollywood is totally controlled by woketards who see any IP as simply a vehicle for woketarded propaganda.HotD is _not_ shitty in their eyes, as it did exactly what they wanted: disseminated woke propaganda.
>>25135863>It's implied Cat cheated on Ned with her own father.Where?
>>25137763>>25137802I think the big reveal about the Tower of Joy won't even be about Jon's heritage, but the exact reason why Ned thought it necessary to tear down the entire tower afterwards, and why the Daynes helped him with that and, most importantly, why they venerate Ned so much.
>>25138700I think Val will be the one Jon leaves the Seven Kingdoms with, not in some exile but to rule over the now-warming lands beyond the Wall.
>>25140417You didn't calculate into this that summers would last for multiple consecutive years, which in turn would allow for multiple harvests per year.
>>25141846>>25142028His fans are sycophants. Remember they booed off that one tranny who asked him about his plans for the novels for when he dies.
>>25148296All other StarkxTully children produced dark haired offspring.
>>25148382But they were right. Art dies with its artist.
>>25143818That's not Jon, that's Euron.
>>25147776>>25147744>>25147791Christopher Tolkien was a hypocritical bitch that admitted to cutting out parts of the Silmarillion his father put in and writing in his own stuff and NEVER revealing which parts were his own invention.
>>25147811>Maybe The Long Night is really an eclipse that happens every few thousand years or something.No, GRRM said in some old interview both the Long Night and the seasons are supernatural.
>>25148541You're confusing her dreamsDany indeed dreams with euron in adwd but it's more of a nightmareher dream with jon happens in ASOS and she wakes up horny
>>25142592>Presumably the sons of Aemond and Alys, later becomes founders of House Whent>the reason Bran the Broken sat on iron throne Green chads won!
>>25145973Uhhhh dany is clearly the one who goes mad and Jon kills her. That’s what he meant
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>>25134169It really is funny how bad George's editor is with catching repetition.
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>>25149273I already knew they were endgame before even reading this. There is a just a way they were written when interacting together.
>>25146785>>25149220>>25149273>>25149400YWNBAW
I just finished reading the fanfic High Tide and it was extremely kino. Corlys Velaryon SI, but the story is told through other's POV. Dance between Targaryen and Velaryon, when it pops off both sides have around a dozen dragons
>>25149830Only ASOIAF fanfic I ever read seriously was The North Remembers. Only thing I really remember about it was Theon's death. That was good.
>>25149840>>25149830There was one called Hear me Roar about the Lannisters in the War of the Ring of LoTR. Sandor Clegane joins the Fellowship at one point.
>>25149929Crossovers are generally gay. ASOIAF really doesn't fit the gay (happy) style of LotR.Speaking of fanfic, I read one called Dragons of Winter or something. Overall it's terrible, but there's one chapter about Euron's assault on Oldtown that's truly remarkable and one of the best horror shorts I've ever read.
uh oh
>>25149933What happened in the assault?
>>25149749Agree. Degenerate deserve the cross.
>>25149220Snow x Hill is endgame.
Would Barristan >hit Sansa if Joffrey didn't fire him>stand by while Boros/Meryn/someone hit Sansa
>>25149933>Crossovers are generally gay.Fanfics are in general gay too, crossovers aren't really special in that regard
>>25150349no, yes
shipping really is the worst thing in any given franchise
>>25150082A lot of it is the way it was written. It's from Euron's POV and because of the magi shit he drinks so much, he sees everybody the way they die (one guy he sees with an arrow across his skull, for example). So he takes the iron fleet to Oldtown, but the city's defenses and fleet are too great for him. Euron doesn't care and attacks the city. There's a huge battle and the iron fleet is crushed. At one point, Euron appears to go insane and starts killing his own people and throws them to the water. The waters of the port basically turn red. When it seems that Euron has been defeated and the town saved, a kraken emerges from the sea, and Euron uses the power of one of the horns to bind it to his own will. His plan was to use the battle and the blood of the dead people to bait the kraken to the surface. With the Kraken's power he destroys the Oldtown fleet, and uses one of its tentacles to topple the Hightower.So that chapter stayed with me. I think it didn't work in the long run for the story because it lost the Hightower magic shenanigans, but it was really competent as its own thing.
we're reading sand kings
>>25151450I have a signed copy of Fevre Dream from Beastly Books collecting dust.
>>25150409powerscaling is infinitely worse
>>25151620Nope
I think we should just kill Martin
>>25151823Now we're gettin' somewhere
How much do you regret reading these series? Fatso won't finish it, so it's likely that it will remain incomplete. Do you think anyone will try to finish ir after he passes away or some shit?
>>25152046100% someone will so they can make money out of it
>>25150409>>25151620They're different sides of the same coin.
Realistically could any composed Knight kill the Mountain?Most people are just immediately intimidated and scared right? Like anyone who just knows this guy can't move just insta gibs him after he misses once right?
>>25152480Assuming a level ground, one vs one, one weapon each, limited space, like an actual duel? Possibly many could, provided he never got hit. One hit and it's over.
>>25133414If GRRM wrote Mistborn, Vin and Kelsier would have fucked and we would've gotten a Spook POV chapter where he can't turn off his tineye and has to hear Elend fuck Vin from the next tent over (this actually happened, but it was off-page). Also an Atium/Pewter burning sex scene, or someone burns gold and they see them fucking other people I think we'd also get an elaborate incestuous worldbuilding with regards to breeding allomancers. The more inbred, the more powerful your allomancy, but the drawback comes that you're more likely to be insane and have medical issues. Finally, Vin would've been 13.
>>25152046Joe Abercrombie
>>25152480doesn't jaime think he could do it?
>>25153365it's gonna be his proteges that wrote The Expanse, Daniel Abraham and Ty Franck
SUNSET FOUND HER SQUATTING
>>25153816it really isn't a bad line
Think we will get teleports behind you nothing personnel Arya in the books?
>>25153890I like how GRRM turned away from making the faceless men anime assassins. In the Pate chapter it's interesting how they prefer to manipulate him into giving the key instead of stealing from Walgrave through the powers of shadows and shit. I bet he regrets making the Mellisandre's shadow powers real.
>>25153816Writers should really refrain from writing while they're masturbating.
The sword of the morning is a dick joke
There is a House Boggs of the North, and there is a House Boggs of the Crownlands. Neither is related, we have no sigil for either, and only the Crownlands Boggs has any individual mentioned in any of the literature. Really, WTF Martin, you actually write down the same name twice and nobody working with you noticed? This isn't like the Fossaways, Farwynd, Shett, or even the Flints. Those other houses are cadet branches in the same kingdom. When you have cadet houses in different kingdoms, you run the risk of border gore that the king has to fix so both great houses are satisfied. This IS the setup for a story, but GRRM has no intention of writing a lesser house succession crisis. He really shouldn't be bothered by fanfiction when his writing begs questions so hard.>>25154305I think GRRM felt he seriously needed Stannis to murder Renly, but found no plausible means for Stannis to accomplish that. Renly is always with his entourage of the best warriors in the South, with a massive army, and Stannis does not want to be caught as a kinslayer. Magic was the only method to accomplish that. He probably already had Melisandre in mind, as a character inspired by Ayesha from Haggard's She. This plot requirement of a supernatural murder is a great opportunity to tie in the magic woman concept to a king that GRRM intended a tragic downfall.>>25152480Contrary to popular belief, really big muscle men can move fast. The issue is whether they can continue to move fast after a long time. The past 20 years of Heavyweight boxing is full of 2-meter tall men, and the average amount of punches has dropped to a fifth of what they were in the 1970s. These huge boxers get gassed during the 12-round bout. If only the first 2 rounds matter, look at Butterbean's record. Most knights can't beat the Mountain those first 6 minutes. The Mountain's reputation lasted 15 years for a reason. GoT Jaime knows he has a good chance in those 6 minutes, but definitely wins after 6 minutes.
Was it ever explained why Sam remained fat after years at the Wall?
I just noticed Dany hatched the eggs with R'hollor magic.
How will grrm escape the nihilist allegations if adwd ends up being the last book of the series?
>>25155750Iirc Renly really screwed up his side tactically in the booksHe brought only his cavalry and his supplies were left behind so he HAD to fight or get Stannis to surrenderHe was charging into the rising sun and Stannis had also set up wooden spikes and pikemenI still think Renly would have won just by sheer numbers but it's very likely he'd suffer enough losses that even if he did it would not be worth it. Honestly it might've been an interesting way for Renly to have lost, basically chasing a completely useless victory.
>>25156173Not what I remember at all. Renly was taking his sweet time and his army was moving at a snail's pace. He didn't leave anything behind and was extremely confident of victory since he outnumbered Stanis' army by like 9 to 1 or something like that.
>>25156216He was partying mostly for King's Landing and moving slowly, but when he heard Storm's End was under siege he rushed there with only cavalryA clash of kings:>"All the chivalry of the south rides with me, and that is the least part of my power. My foot is coming behind, a hundred thousand swords and spears and pikes.">"When he’d learned of his brother’s assault on Storm’s End, Renly had split his forces, much as Robb had done at the Twins. His great mass of foot he had left behind at Bitterbridge with his young queen, his wagons, carts, draft animals, and all his cumbersome siege machinery, while Renly himself led his knights and freeriders in a swift dash east.">That choice Renly had denied himself in his headlong rush to come to grips with his brother. He had outdistanced his supply lines, left food and forage days behind with all his wagons and mules and oxen. He must come to battle soon, or starve.
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