Why don't straight men read novels, /lit/?
Because reading novels turns you queer
straight "men" only care about pleasing foids
>>25143615Am I not a straight man according to this jewish journalist???
>>25143615Since when was /lit/ filled with straight people?
>>25143615>Butthurt wannabe novelist gets rejected one too many times>Proceeds to call everyone gay
>>25143615Name one single benefit to reading fiction.
Finally, my kind of thread. I love discussions about men and women
>>25143643Improved worldview through stories that show different kinds of values. I bet reading Les Miserables would be worth more than 10 self help books that promote being an arrogant prick.
>>25143615They're not interested in badly written female goonslop that the publishers put out in stores
>>25143615Men have been excluded from bourgeois society and are expected to be perma-prole wageserfs till the day they die. The novel has no relevance to such a class as it is a fundamentally bourgeois medium
>>25143615because you are constantly hammered by ecelebs telling you that every microsecond of your life not spent ""improving"" yourself and grinding and hustling to get ahead of the curve is effectively wasted and that if you take time to chill out then you will get left behindalso keep in mind that at least half of the population is incapable of picturing in scene in their heads or reading between the lines, they are effectively parsing the text and to them it's only a collection of boring long ass words that have no immediate practical purpose
Lack of free time, I imagine. I read plenty but I have a chill job and a lot of vacation days a year. I try to get a bit of reading done every day before bed.I don't think lack of interest is, generally, the problem.
>>25143615Of course they do, a small number, just as a small number were always reading the best literature.But why do lots of straight women and homosexualists buy "fiction," i.e. crap? (Whether they ackshually read it or not is another matter.) I think probably because there is something about the medium which suits their brains, sensibilities. Broads and shirt-lifters read slop literature; straight men watch teevee and play c*mp*t*r g*m*s: it's all the same thing, fantasy, escapism, ego-idealization, whatever.Meanwhile, very small number of refined souls read what is actually worth calling literature, as has always been the case. Interesting to consider in connection w/ >>25143643 's point... The "benefit" for women reading slop and men playing games is easily understood. But true enjoyment of true literature is not just escapism, indentification with idealized selves, gratification of basic drives, fantasy. It may be that it allows one to exercise certain higher faculties of judgment, curiosity, analysis and synthesis, imagination which would have been part of one's day-to-day life in the past as we might wish it to have been, but which modernity does not demand of us.
>>25143615As someone who reads extensively but rarely reads fiction, because it feels like a waste of time. My goal when reading is to expand my knowledge, not ruminate on the emotions of some made-up histrionic woman.
I read novels, am I gay? What do I tell my wife?
>>25143643It's fun
>>25143753Tell her to call me
>>25143643inspiration, examination of your own life, values, and the world, transcending the evil world by experiencing pureness and beauty, experiencing more life than what is possible in your own lifetime, etc
I read nonfiction and my reading list grows on its own as authors refer to other works, recommend other authors or expose to me new areas of interest adjacent to whatever topic they're discussing. Meanwhile, once you've gotten off the novel train I don't think there's an obvious way to get back on, and frankly I'd rather take a stab at reading poetry than try to get back "into" novels just for the sake of it. Also, it's hard not to notice that this hand-wringing is always done over the novel in particular, as if that's the greatest consequence of declining illiteracy and not that kids can't even read fucking instruction manuals let alone scrutinize written arguments.
>>25143615Straight guys what novels are you reading right now?I'm reading Carrie Fisher's novel Postcards From The EdgeI find that the best nonfiction helps me understand the best novels and vice versa
>>25143615Anything that distracts from women is heresy in the USA
>>25143806Reading King in Yellow right now. It's been referenced in a lot of stuff so I felt like I should actually check it out.
>>25143692This. Reading in-and-of-itself probably doesn't make you "smarter", but it is known to sharper your theory of mind, empathy, memory, etc.
>>25143742> ruminate on the emotions of some made-up histrionic woman.That's essentially what reading non-fiction makes you though. 9/10 a non-fiction reader is just entrenching themselves in some ideology that has little to do with actual reality, turning them insufferable in the process
>Why don't straight men read novels, /lit/?Polls are so fucking stupid. How am I, a straight white male, supposed to find all these polls to prove to literal WHOS that I do in fact, read tons of novels?
>>25143615Daily reminder that the woman who wrote this article REALLY MEANT "why don't more ATTRACTIVE MEN (SEE PICTURED HERE, MEN I WANT TO SLEEP WITH!!!) READ NOVELS LIKE THIS GUY!?If you're 1-5 points lower than that guy on the looks scale she couldn't possibly care LESS if you do in fact read novels or not because she doesn't even view you as being human to even begin with. You may as well not even exist.
>>25143869>Incels will call Paul Mescal attractive in order to disregard any claim that proves women don't care about facial and bodily features when chosing their sexual partnersAt this point "attractive man" means nothing.
>>25143869>>25143939Pause. Found this mag with Mescal on its cover. No woman gets horny with feet pics and armpits, only men, so I don't think women find him attractive, you might just be gay.
>>25143806Found a copy of Siddhartha at a friend’s house. Way better than any nonfic, self help slop that I’ve read. I haven’t been this excited about reading in a long while. Shame it’s so short
>>25143806You found me at a very strange moment in time, anon. This year I lasted 2 months and a half without consuming premium slop. But after reading one experimental novel and another about a suicidal sperg, I couldn't contain myself anymore: I had to cave in for some juicy cozy mystery seasonal romance.
>>25143615This article is more of a reflection of the men she spends her time around, than any actual discussion on straight male reading patterns. It actually shows a vacuous understanding of males on her part by asserting that men not only read non-fiction, but only specifically self-improvement. The men whom read novels, serious literary endeavors, usually aren’t making a girl tingle on sight. So it’s not “Why don’t Men read novels”, it’s “Why don’t the Men I’m particularly attracted to read novels rather than Petersteinein self improvement slop.”
>>25143615I prefer poetry. For every kino writer like Melville, Joyce and Pynchon you have boring bullshit like Tolstoy, Eliot and Cervantes.
I read novels, but then again I'm gayCan any straight men reply to me?
I'm straight and I read lots of novels. But they tend to be stuff published 30+ years ago. They don't really write novels for people like me anymore.
I just finished Stoner and now i hate Foids and retards
>>25144121None of them are (real) poets retard
>>25144151That's exactly my point. Novelists are hit or miss, while I know that any poet I touch will have at least one redeeming quality.
>>25143949>No woman gets horny with feet pics and armpitsyeah they do
>>25143939>>25143949>Yeah dude, no woman actually finds this Hollywood actor sexually attractive You're trying to convince yourself more than anyone else that this is the case, lmao.
>>25144219We are transphobic here.>>25144226>Yeah dude, no woman actually finds this Hollywood actor sexually attractive.Unironically true. He has a crooked nose, an eye pointing in the wrong direction, shit hair, bad jawline, asymmetrical smile.The women will wanna fuck him, sure, but that's because he is rich and famous.There are bitches lusting over Michael Cera, but it does not mean he is hot. They find him kind and sweet, at max.That was my point. Why are you defending your celebrity crush instead of adressing that?>You're trying to convince yourself more than anyone else that this is the case, lmao.What does that even mean? You can't imagine someone being repulsed by your gay icon?
>>25144284I talked to some hot biological women that were footfags
>>25144284You seem obsessed. Seek help.
>>25143615Why indeed
>>25143643I don’t know why, but watching documentaries just feels better than watching fiction. But when it comes to reading, fiction feels better than biographies, self-help, history, and stuff like that.
>>25143643It's good for your brain. Helps prevent alshiemers and shit. It improves your abillity to focus.
>>25144315>obsessedExagerated. I just got suprised by your remark, anon. You were the one who basically consider him a beauty standard ("1-5 points lower than that guy on the looks scale she couldn't possibly care LESS") which makes anyone uglier "as being human to even begin with". "You might as well not even exist"? Come on. You are this down bad for him and you are suprised when people call you gay?>>25144293>I talked to some hot biological womenStopped reading right there. Why are you still on 4chan after that?
>>25143615God intended straight men to work and provide while women socialize and describe their man’s adequacies, inadequacies, and equipment size to their gay best friend.
This thread again?
>>25144326>The literary industry selects for groups that have the highest levels of emotional and verbal IQs>Chuds somehow suprisedAlso, what man would work in the literary world? It's a very unstable job, pays awfully and is full of theatre kids. It's like saying "why are there no cishet men in the fashion industry"? Shit is feminine as fuck. Don't know why would anyone think that all the macho men are excluded against their will from deciding if the draft they just received was written by a emotionally expressive person or not.
>>25144342Didn't read. Sorry you seem upset about this literal who celebrity that I've never seen nor heard of in my entire 35 years of life.
>>25144382>Anon doesn't know about the adaptations of Normal People and Hamnet
>>25144471Correct. I don't. I only watch things that interest ME.
>>25144375>The literary industry selects for groups that have the highest levels of emotional and verbal IQsI don't believe that's true.
>>25143643What kind of fiction? Literary fiction -- actual literature -- is good, while genre fiction is crap. Flattening them both into some vague notion of 'fiction' is idiotic.
>>25143964>one experimental novel and another about a suicidal spergsauce? I need that
>>25144865What do you consider genre fiction vs literature? Dracula? Frankenstein? Those books are considered both so where do you draw the line?
>>25143806Imajica by Clive Barker. Why are gay authors so superior bros? Nabokov, Clive Barker, Poe, Dumas…
>>25143615Reading fiction, even the lofty western canon, is still just entertainment. Straight men have a million other, easier ways of finding entertainment alone in their rooms like sports gambling, video games, gooning, or racist instagram/twitter memes. Every 3 years when they sit down to read a book, it's to educate themselves on a topic in more depth than a YouTube video or Wikipedia page can offer. Learning about history, philosophy, "self improvement", psychology, or hard science are things that cannot be superseded, in an effort reward tradeoff, by a film adaptation in the way a novel can. Women are almost the complete opposite and love getting lost in fantastical stories of romance, with writing being the preferred format for mass consumption because they can all craft their own mental image of the hot protagonist that will meet their individually specific and impossible physical and emotional desires. Books are literally low effort pornographic entertainment for women and the idea of reading being a healthy and nourishing hobby that requires some level of discipline or a daily goal to maintain applies specifically to the way men approach books.
>>25143615>Why don't straight men become faggots that consoom progressiveslop to make them pozzed and oikophobic?ftfy
>>25143615Ah this article again.
>>25144865You're not impressing anyone, grow up
>>25143615Too busy killing themselves
>>25143939He is objectively attractive, what the fuck are you talking about?
>>25144342>Stopped reading right there. Why are you still on 4chan after that?Cause I'm gay
>>25143615>Why don't straight men read novels, /lit/?Novels teach you how to fuck women, fucking women is gay.
>>25143615We're working 12-hour days to put food on the table and spend as much time with our kids as possible.
>>25145979Is this what they call 'longhouse'
Summary of the article:>capitalism is to blame>toxic masculinity is to blame>women are better because they read fiction, which attunes you to the emotions of others, makes you smarter, and gives you more emotional depth>women developed the habit of reading whilst trapped in the private sphere>they now persist in the habit because they are free from capitalist grindset mentality>incidentally this is probably why so many women are single: men simply can't keep up and don't know how to deal with women that are thriving and emancipated>incidentally men who either don't read or only read non-fiction are to blame, since if men were more interesting and introspective, women would not have to indulge themselves in the sensual pleasure of reading fiction to relax after their 9-5 job>women don't WANT to read fiction, they do it because there is no better alternativeThat's basically it.
>>25143615Real men are busy reading short formalist poetry.
>>25143869>she doesn't even view you as being human to even begin withIts fine. I dehumanize them even worse when they have no boobs, which tends to be the case with "women" who read.
You really want another man putting his thoughts and visions in your head? I dunno sounds gay to me.
>>25143643There is none, self-improvement books and non-fiction is all you need. the only thing you need to read about is how to aquire money and artifically raise your testosterone levels
>>25146720The alpha wolf grindset. My paws will be stepping on all the weak anons in this thread who will never rise to the top.
>>25146589who are these people?
Prolly means contemporary novels, where the plot is densely pitted with anti-male chauvinism. She's slyly implying that if more men hated themselves, the world would be a better place. (Didn't read the article.)
>>25143615to 'read' a novel requires empathy, and any truly empathetic man will have at least considered loving another man, thus losing their 'straighness'.
>>25146770Professional Wrestler
>>25143692>concerned with world view>>25143811>concerned with sharpness>>25143772>implying evil does not start with a belief in pureness and beauty>>25144332>hates alzheimers >>25146720>concerned with testicles
>>25147160>to 'read' a novel requires empathysez who
because most men are stupid fucking braindead morons, lets face it, im super mysognistic and hated women, but after some consideration man arent better, in many ways even worse and i hate most of them the same way, but i dont try to fuck them so they are more easy to ignore
>>25143692>>25143772>>25146720>There are 2 types of books: fiction and self-helpWhy do redditors like you keep parroting this point? Are you so illiterate that you have never heard of philosophy or history books?One would think that average /lit/izen is at moderately well-read but I guess I need to lower my expectations once again
>>25143615Left wing hogs filled the industry with disgusting anti-male, anti-white kike nonsense, and refuse to publish anyone who doesn't produce that.If you turn an industry into Anti-X propaganda, why would Xs consume it?
>letting another man's thoughts into your brainno thanks
>>25146018no one knows what you're talking about
>>25148483>>implying evil does not start with a belief in pureness and beautyyep. it doesnt. unless you moralfag>>25148581what, retard?
>>25143806~450 pages into The Tin Drumtempted to see if I can crunch out JR (gaddis) in a month after i finish this, considering that The Recognitions was wildly brilliant
>>25143615Most modern novels are about queer been women and are written with a juvenile prose and mindset. When men do find books they like it's usually older works or nonfiction. When they say: "why aren't straight men reading books?" They mean: "why aren't straight men reading literature deemed popular by the latest jewish critics in New York City?" if you were to tell them that these straight men were reading books on history and political theory, especially books they found by researching authors and topics they found relevant to their own interests and/or world view you would see articles saying: "how do we get straight men to stop reading?" and "Reading: the secret Nazi dog whistle you should be concerned about!" As well as various activists trying to ban the same of books altogether.
>>25143806I'm reading The Holy Bible, the King James Version. I'm a little over 1,100 pages in.
>>25144471Based slop avoidant Anon
We exist but we only read military/cop/spy novels
>>25145170Ur example tend to be both, derivative examples usually aren't.
>>25145424/Thread Also, based Anon. Thank you for the new word.
>>25145476I'm not and to tell when men are attractive.
>>25145424>there are no novels written before 1945holy retard
Hey! My litrpg sloppa on royalroad IS a novel.
>>25148950Headline in 5 years:"What the increase in young men's literacy means for girls and women"Why do people even say this anyway. Young men read Dune, they read Cormac Mcarthy. They just need to make more shit about cool shit or speak to the soul. Somebody needs to be brave and go Leon the Professional and write a hebe novel.
>>25148990I didn't say that there wasn't progressive slop that was being pushed as far back as the 17th Century, but what is being insinuated in the article is why men don't read more from contemporary writers like Atwood. Barely anyone today is reading Beecher Stowe and only few have read William Morris
>>25143643Good ones give me a nice chuckle
>>25143772Can't you achieve these by reading non-fiction?
>>25143643Science fiction has done a good job predicting the future, much better than any non fiction book
>>25150366Not the question, also I'd say fiction is better for it because man is primed for myth. A deep reading of Homer will always beat some bureaucrat over-rational academik>>25143772
>>25149158based reference.
>>25143806Kinkakuji by Mishima in Chinese translation
Can't imagine anything worse than getting emotionally invested in a disappointing conclusion.
>>25143615straightoid are retardedt. 150 IQ gay
>>25146196>capitalism made me illiterate>if only someone could save me>remember Karl Marx and his doorstopper capitalism killer, Capital>quick, before it's too late, run to library, grab it from shelf>open to page 1>remember I can't readDamn
I recently read an 800 page book all about malting for no particular reason. I am now a master maltman. I used my newfound knowledge to build a small pneumatic malting rig out of a cooler and some computer case fans. Then I bought some feed barley, turned it into malt and brewed it into beer. It sucks but it's definitely beer.If I had read 800 pages worth of fiction instead, would I be happier? When it comes to entertainment, fiction is not as fun as learning about the real world and actively working on projects. It's also ultimately pointless: 20 years from now you will have forgotten all about the novel you read today, but I will still be able to turn grain into alcohol.
>>25151441Retarded and terminally moidbrained.
>>25150483Get aids ya chump
>>25143643Fiction is realer than non-fiction.
>>25143615I thought it was a problem.Personally, I realized that fiction is escapism, nonfiction is largely boring, and philosophical is just living your life according to someone else's morals. I don't mind exploring these real and fabricated worlds through various lenses from time to time, but I'm not going to waste my life reading about how others lived (or imagined living) theirs. Also, smut novels:literature::pornos:cinema.
I am confident enough in my heterosexuality to read this book with this cover at work.
>>25151941Well yeah, it's a classic. I'm very sure you wouldn't be so confident with flashing "The Seven Husbands of Evelyn Hugo" or "The Fourth Wing" in the office.
>>25151981NTA but I read the Alice duology at work/on the train. You might respond with "yeah, but they're classics too" however I will alert you to the fact I read them the very next week after finishing Lolita
>>25143615I'm writing something. It should appeal to young, lost, intelligent, bookish men. Whether it ever gets finished and/or published, oh well. I'm busy being a father, husband and weightlifter. I just write in my spare time - it's low on my list of priorities, but it's something I consistently return to. It's a much better hobby to have than video games or whatever else.Men don't read and write fiction though because the market doesn't care enough. As a young, risk-taking man, you can't delude yourself anymore that a book is how you'll make it in life. So young men go for crypto, prediction markets, whatever. Appealing to men as a market also means some women on social media will get mad, and if forced to choose, the publishers are choosing them as their market over men. Most of the women in marketing are also clueless about how to market a book towards men. There's just tons of institutional knowledge that has been lost. They act like men are a mystery when they really aren't. One thing that would really help is being able to market a kind of countercultural edginess.
>>25143643>Name one single benefit to reading fiction.Name on single DOWNSIDE to reading fiction (other than made up bullshit)>if a straight guy would rather read in his spare time instead of go to the bar for hours, I don't see the big deal and that's a better thing to do.
>>25148609when I hit KU. how do I let regular (straight) guys realize that I'm writing paperbacks as they once were not this modern woke nonsense. This is what I need to do artfully. I want to get this point across loud and clear, without sounding like a right wing nut.
>>25148964crime, hardboil, noir fan here.Travis McGee and Parker are both awesome.
>>25143615Because the jew says straight men must watch sports and drink beer. Anything which remotely makes you use your imagination is gay.
>>25153148as long as you're jacked and healthy looking you get to get away with pretty much anything. Watching sports and drinking beer is for cattle men (unless you're jacked then it's okay to do that)
>>25153116>if a straight guy would rather read in his spare time instead of go to the bar for hours, I don't see the big deal and that's a better thing to do.If said reading is marvel-tier drivel like Sanderson or whatever is currently trending on /r/books, then that is not just a downside but a downright red flag of a potentially growth-stunted manchild.
>>25143806Book of the New Sun
>>25144327Are you dumb?
>>25143615Because videogames are funnier, duh.
>>25143615Men are checking out of society at an alarming rate
>>25152008you're a pedo
>>25157714shut up aella
>>25157683>funnierit's "more fun"
>>25158433ESLs out themselves yet again.
>>25158424Lolita is almost universally popular among female readers.
>>25159838Source?
>>25159845my anecdotal experience
>>25143615They read yaoi fanfic
