ITT: Games more /lit/ than Disco Elysium(i liked it but it's very stupid and reductionist propaganda)
>>25149248>Planescape: Tormentnameless one cannot die so he has to actually figure out what he is. no essence given at birth. pure act. filtered every gamer in 1999 because it asked them to do philosophy instead of kill boars. only game where the correct answer to the final boss is talking him out of existence with an argument about personal identity. plato would have cried
>>25149248Cruelty Squad.
>>25149248
>>25149280>rpgmaker slopquintessential /v/eddit post
>>25149282>noooooo rpgmaker slop cant have good writing!!!
>>25149248Cultist Simulator and Book of Hours.
I love all the dialogue in this game. One interesting conversation is with the Postmaster, he hates the newspaper building because newspapers helped kill the mail service. America used to be a nation of writers, engaging in dialogue, now it was a nation of oassive readers. It'a clearly echoing Neil Postman's criticism of Newspapers and TV.
>>25149306you always were a kidder steve
Banjo-Tooie
>>25149248>it's very stupid and reductionist propagandaexplain this "observation" pls
>>25149344>stupid and reductionistThe author does not subscribe to my particular niche radical political microideology which I gained after 4000 hours in Paradox games.>propagandaSee above.
>>25149248I genuinely can't think of one. Maybe Pathologic?
Can someone explain to me why is this game touted as the supposed pinnacle of video games storytelling? Everything I've seen of it only made me think the writers spent too much time on twitter around 2016.
i can't stand the writing in disco elysium. using asterisks in *every* single interaction for emphasis is the biggest pet peeveplanescape torment is torturously overwritten the only games with decent writing are interactive fiction, but a lot of it is SFF tier stuff
>>25149254Kentucky Route Zero. The final act is weak, but most of it is very well written and directed. And it's about legit stuff unlike most games that are claimed to be well written that are just "Woah what if you were, like, an alien commando who has to kill people, psshh... what would *that* be like? Think about it..."
>>25149254My problem with it is that the gameplay is absolute crap. The clunky combat is just painful. And yes "You can avoid it if you choose the exact right dialogue options, blah blah." Yeah and it's utterly unintuitive what those are. In the opening morgue area, there's an unskippable encounter and one of the dialogue options is something like "I'm just going to leave" which makes every NPC in the whole building hostile, which is an insufferable grind if you try to play through. I'll just read a book so I don't have to wade through dross."
Marathon trilogy
>>25149248>propagandait's about grief
Legacy of Kain is literally a masterpiece of writing and character dialogue.
>>25149583It's slave moralist bullshit.
>>25149735>>25149412>>25149248This shit is NOT disco!
>>25149735It's not. It's a story of grief disguised as a murder mystery with a political background. The two most important scenes in the story are hidden and only happen if you interact with a specific phone in a specific way and by taking a nap near the end of the game.
>>25149280No game translated with actual, literal Google Translate ca. 2007 and very lightly edited cannot possibly be /lit/
I played as a gay fascist in this game
>>2514981290 IQ post.
>>251498340oq post
>>25149834-90 IQ post
>>25149254posts like this are why adults view gamers as pretentious, unfuckable dorks
OH LOOKTHIS THREAD AGAIN
>>25149248Transistor. It's a little oversold for how "le deep" it is, a lot of the worldbuilding is largely vibes and falls apart if you start poking at it, but it is still a neat package with good art.That said if you're very insecure about your masculinity you might have a problem enjoying it.
>>25149878it does look very troon coded ngl
>>25149248>reductionistHave you considered that maybe you're an idiot produced by a lineage of peasant-idiots?
>>25149885that's a very gay thing to think, but to assuage your anxiety it's a very heterosexual love story
>>25149885Anon addressed this concern in his post.
>>25149358Back to your subreddit>>25149344Every ideology gets heavily criticized, yet communism is treated with baby hands
>>25149878There isn't much troon about it. It was also made in 2014. I wasn't very looped into american politics back then but I think trans stuff was not a big front in the culture war back then.I was referring more to the fact that the protagonist is an upperclass woman, a singer, whose male bodyguard/lover gave up his life for her and is now stuck in the techno-magical sword she wields, and narrates the whole game for her as she's lost her voice. In the end she becomes effectively a goddess, tries to reverse the apocalypse, understands that she still cannot bring her guy back to life, and impales herself on her sword to be with him in a kind of virtual afterlife, all while he begs her not to.So it's not exactly "girlboss who doesn't need no man", nor is it a male humiliation ritual, but if you need a male character to be a protagonist and female characters to be secondary, you won't enjoy it.
>>25149885The title doesnt do it any favors in that regard in addition to the aesthetic but it isn't troon at all.
>>25149915What if I almost exclusively play goblins raping femc games and occasionally 4x games? Would i like it?
Shadowrun (genesis) and Morrowind are probably tops heroes of might and magic iii has some pretty good little short reading sections too
>>25149936Im probably the only person alive who prefers snes shadowrun to the genesis one.
>>25149248there is a miracle, way out in the north west.
>>25149254
>>25149966/thread
>>25149878>It's a little oversold for how "le deep" it isYou mean like all video games?
>>25149885your victimhood is showing
What games debunk pic related?
>>25149975I meant, compared to other games. I don't have an opinion on if games overall are oversold as being able to tell interesting stories, undersold, or portrayed accurately. >>25149966I'm not sure this is useful. The argument about what gets to be called "art" has been going on for centuries. Duchamp didn't start it and to date no one has finished. If we start arguing about it we will just retread long standing arguments until we are bored. >>25149981This is a statement about the types of people who play games, not about games themselves. How can a game debunk this statement?
>>25149993>This is a statement about the types of people who play games, not about games themselves. How can a game debunk this statement?If there are no video games that can make fanbases more artistically educated, then there has so far been no video game worthy of being called art, let alone high art. Are there any games that don't have infantilized fanbases?
>>25149834You're blinded by political propaganda you absorbed from this site and irony poisoning. Too far gone.
>>25149966Yeah. Videogames are a toy.
>>25150061I mean, this is true. Videogames are toys fundamentally speaking. Fiction in videogames it's always an excuse for the layout of the toy, not to induce some instrospection and thinking, or make wonder in the mind, the intent it's always to be entertainment and you can skip of this aspect all together and still deliver a great experience (Arcade games). Some games like OP pic are novels sold as games, but for the fact of being bind to being a toy, it suffers from the medium metaphysically and it always hit the wall that creates disonance with the story (Like that scene where they didn't have the budget to animate a character climbing a ladder). Videogames were never meant for this stuff, it's not too much about being art or not, but it's because the structure of it that makes it a troublesome medium to tell an story; like trying to contain a thing in a box that it's bigger than the object that it tries to contain and from a different shape (terrible analogy, but you get the idea: fiction it's the direct interaction with imagination and the world within, and videogames are just software that put parameters to the unbounded experience of storytelling).
>>25150073>I meanStopped reading there.
>>25150027> Are there any games that don't have infantilized fanbases?I'm not sure it makes sense to talk about whole fanbases, and I'm also not sure what stands for infantilized. You can have an intelligent conversation with someone about Call of Duty and to which extent games like it romanticize warfare and what effects they have, and the tension between the kinds of politics that people making these games espouse and the politics of the games themselves. And I have in the past. But also a lot of people who play Call of Duty are only interested in seeing a cool skin in multiplayer and aren't interested in a serious discussion or equipped to have it.Or on the other hand, take something niche like Sea Power (a detailed 1980s naval warfare simulator). It is intellectually demanding and slow. People who play it can talk to you about different anit-ship missile systems, the differences between Soviet and American sonar systems and the NATO air-carrier based doctrine vs Soviet missile based doctrine for hours, and will read books on IRL military tactics for fun. On the other hand, if you try to have a political discussion with them they will more often than not just go "my side right or wrong" and that's it, as you would often expect of people with interest or experience in the defense sector. Is that an "infantilized" fanbase?You could even have a fairly interesting cultural/critical discussion about modern God of War games. Most people who praise these are undeniably pop-culture obsessed redditors, but the games themselves are interesting when contrasted with previous ones in the series, or as a study in how (not to) write dialogue. I would not consider discussing this infantile, but if we're discussing this, are we then part of "the fanbase"?
>>25150081lmao. if you don't know how to answer the question, just don't answer the question.
>>25150094My point is that we need to clarify terms if we want to be answering sweeping questions like this.
>>25150077Wow, what a badass!
>>25150073>>25150081You have to be 18 to post.
>>25150126Wow, what a BADASS!!
>>25150101>>25150139>I just turned 19 and I'm smart and fit in!
Humanism is my ex girlfriend I was desperately in love with years ago and can't get over even though I never really knew her.
>>25149248If video games are art then so are lego sets and slot machines
>>25149850maybe in the fucking 80s lmao. "gamers" nowadays play Fortnite and are ultra-normie millionaire celebrities
>>25150163>if you paint an oil painting and scan it into a computer it stops being hecking artFew groups are as dumb as videogame seethers.
>>25149344>>25149358>>25149909op here, the game is usually smart then gets very "stupid" when it wants to play coy, it reduces everything else to a strawman that is not the least accurate (liberalism, fascism, ultraliberalism, rationalism, etc) ...then the author's ideas gets childish preferential treatment that is very naive with little substance. It's no different from nazi/liberal/lenist/maoist propaganda
>>25150073no, theres nothing forcing it to be this way. see: >>25150168
>>25149966average retard boomer opinion>oy goy, the only art is supporting israel and the greatest art are propaga- i mean, holocaust documentaries
>>25150033>no man disco elysium isnt political at all
>>25150126bitch what?you cant be any other age?fuck this im gone
>>25150178A surface level understanding of the Baltic states is relevant. Neoliberalism and communism are the conflicting successors to monarchic/Christian humanism which died before the revolution. Everything else is alien and irrelevant, foreign like the black racist.
You will never be smart and you will never win arguments on the internet.
>>25149248>>25149254crazy how gamers idea of top-tier art are narratives that at best would have been seen as 7.5/10 novels and there's literally only a handful of them lmao.
>>25150214right... let's admit there are characters meant to be strawmen without engaging in any actual ideological critique>Baltic statesmight be my fault but i feel like the game is more applicable to U.S. than the baltic states. those post-communist mfers do not care about critical race theory or feminism (which you are punished for not favoring)
>>25150073>alwaysincorrect
>>25150165nah it's only gotten worse, the industry becoming more predatory with addictive mechanics and game stories still obsessing over revenge narratives makes the entire culture look like a gigantic jizzstain to anyone who isn't functionally retarded
>>25149540the final act basically ruined it for me. Utter drivel and seemed like the developer used a sentence generator for most of the dialogue. Up until then it was amazing.The final interlude was even worse. Who wants to sit around for 30 minutes looking at static while a few people talk about complete rubbish.First four acts had incredible night time vibes. Perfect game to play at 2am on a Sunday morning.
>>25150243Margaret Thatcher is the most reasonable person in the game and the commies are all evil except the children. If you go commie it's because you're a delusional idealist, if you go fascist it's because you blame women.
>>25150189just because a story includes subjects, motifs, and set pieces doesn't mean it's about those things. disco is about griefthis nigga thought the hungry caterpillar was about caterpillars
the answer is Pathologic and i am surprised that people havent really mentioned it in the thread. its an ultra-playwright pilled game where the meat and potatoes of the game is the dialogue
>>25149248Cave Story.>>25149878Completele trash compared to bastion.
>>25150243Are you asking a fucking LLM to help you understand this text? Are you retarded?
>>25151238I've played cave story, it's a bedtime story for 8 year olds
>>25149835>>25149849Retard.>>25150033>political propagandaNo, I didn't say that, just that Disco Elysium has an extremely nihilistic worldview to the point a bumbling alcoholic moron like Harry receives any sort of exaltation as someone close to anything resembling "hero" status in a world that exists without heroes, whereas any individual instated in a position of stately power is reprimanded as having lost something essential to their humanity (usually this is referenced in some snide Freudian quip about penis envy or woman problems). Who needs heroes when you have drunken fools stumbling around in alleyways, slipping on their own vomit and barking at stray cats? Absolutely wretched weltanschauung. Such people only deserve humiliating defeat and death for their views.
>>25151230i've been meaning to play these. what writers does it remind you of?
>>25151278holy pseud
>>25149966he's not wrongmovies aren't art and never will be either btw
>>25149248/thread
>>25151435best post itt lmao
>>25151226pathetic to pretend it isnt political propaganda by commie estonian devs lmao
>>25151244no, to explain to you retard without wasting my time writing
>>25151435
>>25149248I did enjoy the writing in The Talos Principle. A lot of philosophical themes tackled in an interesting way and intertwined with the game mechanics.
>>25152093That first game was impressive. The second game got bogged down in undergrad level political phil imo. But at least those games were clearly written by people decently educated in the Greeks, most so-called "philosophical" games are just rehashing pop psychology and overused existential tropes.
>>25149254I need to play that again
>>25149729My friend loves that game
>>25149966I really want to say something but I'm superstitious
>>25152101I ragequit Talos Principle. Too hard.
>>25152116The first one is quite difficult. The second one is a lot easier on the off-chance you're interested.
mario
>>25149966I could even somewhat respect that take, if only it didn't come from the absolute midwit Ebert, who misjudged every other movie he reviewed.
>>25152130troon game
>>25152153And it still mogs most other modern gaming stories and what passes for modern SF.
>>25152156made by a tranny which I'm sure you hate for no reason >>>/pol/ user lmao
>>25152171I'm the one that posted the game here though.
>>25152194yet you hate trannies, >>>/pol/tard. ironic
>>25151273True ending?
>>25152197I do?
>>25151278Low iq /v/ post. I can imagine you calling many Catholic novelists “nihilists” lmao
Games work along different artistic lines than literature so any game that is /lit/ is by definition a mediocre game. You see this exemplified in the usual examples like Planescape Torment which in novel form would be a generic pulp paperback genre piece, and in terms of gameplay can hardly be called a game, so it's the worst of both worlds.But to be fair, must games are just interactive books or movies. Very few games tie in what is core to video games, interactivity, to the aesthetic experience of the game itself.
Ultima VII
>>25152262>Very few games tie in what is core to video games, interactivity, to the aesthetic experience of the game itself.Yeah, and it's a damn shame. Lobotomy Corporation and Black Souls offer a VERY unique experience precisely because interactivity is core to their story.I heard Pathologic does this too, but I'm yet to play it.
tetristhe legend of zeldajackie chan
>>25151420This is true by the way, game devs may for the most part be comprised of absolute faggots, but they’re not anywhere near as pretentious as movie directors who think stealing art forms, dumbing them down and putting it into a format where they and people who watch it get to feel good, and cultured, about sitting in front of a screen for 1-10 hours (the longer it is the bigger waste of time it is)
There are no video games that could be adapted into great literature. There ballets that are, in fact countless ballets are based on great works of literature even today. But no video games. Games are things such as go and poker, ice skating and boxing. >>25152142This. Ebert never said anything original in his life, the Harold Bloom of /tv/
>>25152403>There are no video games that could be adapted into great literature.Maybe, but E33 can be adapted into a great film.
>>25152339TV shows loke GoT are a lot more hours than films and video games can be a lot more than that
>>25152406My idea of great film is stuff like The Grand Illusion, Ran, and the Passion of Joan of Arc, so I can't concur with you here
No one ever called board games like cluedo and scrabble art, so why should the digital variants that are at best the equivalent of a marvel movie in storytelling, webcomic tier in artistic craft, top 40 tier in music (not all of it though) with the amount of depth in the game itself as connect 4?Visual novels are better I suppose but that Fata Morgana thing I tried read like one of those YA vampire werewolf romances
>>25150240>narratives that at best would have been seen as 7.5/10 novelsA movie is not a book is not a game. The medium shapes the message at the very least. This also means games can do things that books cannot, like putting you in the driver's seat of the story and actually having to reason with what you're presented with. In that sense it's a lot more powerful than passively consuming a text block.>>25152403>There ballets that are, in fact countless ballets are based on great works of literature even todayThis really shows the antagonism is purely based on snobbery.
>>25152406What is the deal with this fucking game? All I see are people praising its “rich storytelling”? I guarantee it’s not any better than a Sanderson book. But video game fans could be given anything more complex narratively than Dr Seuss and they’d think it was the greatest piece of art ever created (also written by a bunch of blue haired millennial writers nonetheless)
>>25149294The only reason it's anything but shallow copypasta is because they break things up in the most thorough way possible and do what they can to prevent taking secondary paths to get other information. It's very wanky, pretentious, woke and new agey.Actually that's very /lit/, never mind.
>>25152412Ballet and opera take more work than any other art form in existence. Not even close
>>25152410I know what I said.>>25152417Its storytelling isn't anything special when you compare it with literature, but it completely mogs most video games by being well-directed, well-acted and well-paced. Your average game has no concept of using silence, awkward pauses, subtlety, composition or facial expressions to convey information. Its storytelling method is closer to a film. A film, not a movie or a flick.
>>25152426That movie would be 90% computer-generated
>>25152406Almost got me
>>25152426Overdesigned slop
>>25152426Films, movies, flicks, they’re all the same.Winter Light is a great film with good cinematography but it’s nothing compared to the spectacle of great paintings and the themes in the film were conveyed by authors much earlier and with much more skill. Anyway, let’s take the definition of “film” to mean a highly artistic motion picture, and then from what you’ve shown me in these pictures I don’t think I can agree from a purely spectacle point of view, it looks like one of those overly muddled superhero movies that keep getting churned out. 2001 is a good spectacle, this isn’t. I can’t speak for the storytelling though.
>>25150250A lot of young people play video games. You seem to be generalizing your own environment (you are a gamer)
>>25152255He is right, though. Disco elysium is a game written for people who think the only value in life is desire gratification and being a generally spiteful person
I’m surprised at the sheer amount of gamers in this thread. Why play any other game than I don’t know, Tetris or Mario brothers? Why do they have to make them like movies or whatever with “stories”? I get they’re ashamed to admit they like games but trying and failing to replicate art is just ruining the whole point of a game, which is to play the level and beat the level, well done mr button presser.
>>25149248>>25149248Modded minecraft -- all the mods 10: to the sky. More /lit than any of these larper crpgs. If you want to read, read a book. Otherwise play all the mods 10: to the sky.
>>25152467imagine getting filtered this hard
>>25152482Nta but I think it’s a filter for sure… to anyone other than midwits like you, back to /v/ or reddit you go.
>>25152440People like you are why we have bland uggos in AAA games now.
>>25151278>>25152467>>25152482The biggest problem with disco elysium that I found in my recent replay is that it is fatally of-its-time. It is hard to explain to people that didn't experience it themselves, but the game is fundamentally ABOUT being on twitter in 2017. Beyond any of the surface political themes which serve mostly to jingle a set of keys in front of the Model-UN-kid target audience, the emotional throughline is about online mid-2010s radical discourse and the sense of hopelessness it engenders. Between the tumblr prose and inclusion of Chapo Trap House and Red Scare voice actors, the text itself is mostly REFERENTIAL to a specific online conversation that took place for some number of years during and shortly following Bernie Sanders' 2016 run and demoralizing loss.
>>25152484People like you are why things like AAA and capeshit exist in the first place
>>25149248Dwarf Fortress
>>25150200Lmfao.
>>25150200heh
>>25150200Don't worry, you just have to look the part.
>>25152526I don't play AAA or watch capeshit, thoughever.
>>25152467it's about how identity politics and hedonism are feeding the ego and lead to suffering and misery, and that conversely you should confront your issues and sort them outyou know. because it's about grief?>it contains political subjects and negative things>therefore it must condone political thought and negative thingsyou see this level of literary analysis all the time. why is this a standard perspective? how the fuck is the average person this stupid?
>>25152426>claire obscuraOh ffs the whole thing is just>chatgpt make me a game that's a cross between FFX and Silent Hill 2 and spam jeet assets from the unreal store.I'm happy it took a big shit over squeenix four niggas in a row snobs but everything about that game screams ai slop, let's not posterchild it in discussions of art
>>25152487I wonder how you'd translate the instagram nazis into this. There are so many of them over there and it gets to the point where even I have a problem with it.
>>25152487>Between the tumblr prose and inclusion of Chapo Trap House and Red Scare voice actorsThe VAs were replaced 5 years ago. I think your fixation on xitter drama is preventing you from enjoying the story, setting and dialog of the game which is mainly about love, loss, and hope. The protagonist's use of politics to cope with his own failings and neuroses is the ultimate rebuke of all xitterites.
>>25151403Holy faggot.>>25152255>I can imagine you calling many Catholic novelists “nihilists”The Catholic religion is also slave moralistic. And my argument isn't about whether or not the philosophy Disco Elysium is truly nihilistic or destructive (it is, but that's beside the point), but that it behinds the veneer of slave moralism while doing so.
>>25152793*hides behind, rather
>>25152793bro, you should like, make your own crpg with odin and the kali yuga bro...
>>25152801Are you a butthurt commie or christcuck?
>>25152808>he wrote smugly onto 4chan
>>25152986Go back.
>>25152998No. :)
>>25153006Go forward.
>>25149248Full Metal Demon Muramasa, White Album 2, the Utawarerumono series, Kichikuou Rance.
>>25153030>weebslop, weebslop, weebslop, weebsloplol lmao even
>>25153030Only Muramasa is good the rest is fucking ass, I won’t call it “weebslop” like the anon above me but his post has some verisimilitude.
>>25150178OP be honest did you get this achievement and then get mad?
>>25149248Surprised no one said "Who's Lila?". The narrative is as if Borges had concocted a lovecraftian story. I don't remember it being too text-heavy, though. It's a videogame, after all, not a book --completely different medium. And they know how to rely on its strengths.
>>25153044there is literally nothing wrong with being a radical centrist
>>25153066lol
>>25153030>weebkino, weebkino, weebkino, weebkinobased.
>>25149248The original Marathon Trilogy
>>25152782This is back long before elon bought the site. It's a real "you had to be there" thing but you just have to trust me -- it isn't subtle. All the psychiatric and political fixations of the game are just what everyone was talking about on twitter in 2017, and it is written in the same discursive tone. The game is FOR those people, which is why college educated gen z boomers love the game so much.
>>25152242Final Fantasy games are underrated for this.
>>25153181I will admit that Final Fantasy X is kino in a way that no book will capturebut it would also never work as a book, but then again does it have to behttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Ykz0Ba5p24
>>25153039unironically filtered
>>25153216Videogames will never be artAnd they are superior to literature as vehicles for meaning
>>25153228I dunno, I sorta agree. However, Final Fantasy X is genuinely a contender for meit's cheesy as fuck and it's badly written, but it's like a beautiful mess that somehow manages to come together
>>25153225>muh yaoi fanfic writer is the big bad evilUnderwater has some nice scenes, but it's pants on head retarded. And not in the over the top Dies Irae way, it asks to be taken seriously.
>>25149254Came here to post this.
>>25153231I'm making a subtler/weirder assertion. If you stripped out all the writing, music, acting, traditional illustration, sprite and texture art, 3D modeling, and so on, and were somehow able to contain all those things (either in something like a movie or some sort of museum), I think you could call all of THAT art. In some way, the game engine, the code, the invisible aspects of interface design, all of that stuff might be art too.But there is something to games that can't be objectified and can only be experienced through play, and I argue that this forever distinguishes games from art. Like; you can watch a recording of beautiful game of Baseball, but Baseball itself just categorically isn't art. No one would call baseball "art" by mistake (and since this is /lit/ I'll go out of my way to add that no one would go out of their way to call Baseball an art unless they were meaning to be pretentious). You can play a beautiful game of chess, and a chessboard and its pieces can be artfully crafted, but "Chess" really exists in our minds as an set of idea rules that cannot possibly be objectified except through play: and we don't call the rules of chess as they exist non-objectively, or chess itself, "art".I am arguing that videogames, even as they are difficult to distinguish from art because they are capable of containing so much art as part of their presentation, and usually do, they still are and will be eternally separate from art because of the essentially mental/spiritual or otherwise non-objective nature of games which is their core. Final Fantasy X ultimately exists within the player, not on a disc or watched passively on a screen. This is a difficult thing to discuss, but this is a core issue in the conversation about whether or not games are art. It's why the debate will never be settled. Games contain art in the way Life contains art, and in the same way it'd miss the point to call Life some sort of divine art project.
>>25151390would personally say it reminds me of Platonov with his novels Chevengur and The Foundation Pit, both stylistically and subject wise. subject wise it may resemble Camus' Plague. its worth reading this thread where the developers talk about their influences and inspiration for Pathologic.https://forum.ice-pick.com/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=14863
>>25152130>transgender anime game made by a confused tumblrinaare we seriously posting crap like this here?
>>25149248wonderful everyday
>>25152412>im smart and i belong here
>>25152406a great film for toddlers
>>25153403>bradbury and chestertonlol lmao even. i'll stick to re-reading gogol and bely. thanks anyway.
>>25153597yeah Dybowski has really boring and shit taste for some reason
Has anyone said modded minecraft skyblock yet
>>25151278>Teenager reads Nietzsche once and becomes the most insufferable person on earthMany such cases
>>25153547Only correct answer
The fact that there are people earnestly discussing discord elysium here only shows how far this place has fallen. Tom Clancy was a better writer.
>>25151278You're right. It's an ugly game.
>>25153854this
>>25149248Unironically The Witcher, Rainbow Six, Ghost Recon, I Have No Mouth.
>>25153877>the peak of the medium is a bunch of forgettable 6/10 genre fictionunredeemable waste of time "hobby"
>>25153880Exactly, that’s why the only video game anyone should play is Tetris
Between Disco Elysium, >>25153030 and >>25153877 multiple games have been mentioned that have plots that are 8/10+. Specifically Witcher, IHNMAIMS, Full Metal Demon Muramasa and White Album 2. I would throw Silent Hill 2 in there. If you say otherwise you haven't played them.
>>25153885Forgot Steins Gate.
>>25153885White album 2 is like Jane Austen sorta kinda I guess
>>25153539Those tranny tumblrinas unironically have better taste than today's authors. Sad, but true.Besides, you can gap to the robot girls, so it's not *that* tumblr.
Umineko! Just kidding lol, it’s only slightly more nuanced than Harry Potter at best.
>>25153885>>25153887boring and pretentious. read bely.
>>25154012Petersburg is the best work of Russian literature ever, what I’m trying to say is, anyone who thinks shits;gay is a masterpiece isn’t ready for Bely.
>>25149966Factually correct. Nothing can be art in 2026.
>>25154018agreed. i played stein's gate and enjoyed it for what it is, but it's so infantile and tropey half the time as if it was meant for dumb unread kiddies
>>25149248Morrowind.Like every great piece of literature, it is devoid of meaning.
>>25149248Pretty sure this thread belongs on /v/. OP isn't even asking for books.
>>25153711The biblical references (Old Testament God being an angsty teenage girl) and the rebellion against genetic determinism were really affecting. Just couldn't care about the fact that it's intended to be a story about Chinese diaspora generational trauma, which I admit are the result of my own prejudices.
>>25154595>Just couldn't care about the fact that it's intended to be a story about Chinese diaspora generational traumaI don’t even know anything about this game but why are these chinkies always fucking complaining, I live in a place with a high Chinese population, they’ve always been here, it’s all cool, they don’t act like the world owes them a living like what you see with these American diaspora millennials/zoomers. Maybe that’s what it is though, America.
>>25149547I just gave myself all 25 stats and played the game as a god.
>>25154609would highly recommend that playthrough.
>>25149248Disco had some banger prose
>>25154616>there exists a large amount of “people” who think that this is the greatest written thing ever.And they’re right!!!
>>25149358The seethe you're cultivating proves your point, very well-crafted insult.>>25149248Contrarian take, but I think Hyper Demon is the most /lit/ experience I've ever had in a video game. It itches the same scratch as a really dense poem, reaching beyond language to explain itself through your skillful repetition. Never communicating with traditional language, and yet conveying something undeniably coherent. You also get your name on the website if you no-life to top 1000.
>>25154616TOPKEK. I miss when inceldom wasn't a psyop run by Mossad.
>>25154631>look up "Hyper Demon">it's just an artsy gauntlet FPS>doesn't even have a sick beatFor me it's Post Void
>>25154649Post Void is fantastic, yeah. Explains itself a bit too much to really pop for me -- gameplay and interaction doesn't generate meaning and theme as purely as Hyper Demon does...but it's close. Also the shotgun is sexo.
>>25149248these
>>25154628>the greatest written thing everOne of the more relatable things ever that engages with the world and period I actually live in and the retarded shit that goes on there. The prose itself is videogame tier and that works because it's a videogame.
Play these
>>25149729I can't stand the gameplay or the lore of that universe, but the writing is actually amazing indeed, from what I've seen of it.
>>25155407this "a mind forever voyaging" sounds incredibly interesting, but i dont really know if i could muster playing it, honestly. anyone played it and know if its worth it?
>>25155443same. i find the setting and aesthetic to be a little bit too cartoonish and DnD for my taste, but the writing is indeed very good as well as the voice acting.
>>25149547That morgue conversation filtered me tooWhen the NPCs turned hostile I realized it was going to be one of those games where if you don't do exactly what the developer has in mind then they'll zap you like a lab rat
If you look past the contrarianism necessarily seeded by this community, you’ll realize there’s really only one answer.
>>25155748how does this generic space marine hollywood action movie relate at all to literature?
>>25155792Allegedly inspired by Ringworld I guess.
>>25155792It relates to /lit/. This board hasn’t discussed literature in over ten years.
>>25155407second guy on the third row looks like wittgenstein
Nier and its sequel got me to stop playing video games, which is the highest praise I can give to anything of this medium
>>25155990because it was so gay and lame, i presume?
>>25149248>Disco Elysium>propagandaDidn't Afroman just fuck your wife?
>>25155990Nier is pretty bad.
>>25155990I liked Drakengard but Nier was gay and too saccharine for its own good. Drakengard is awful but it feels like something made by an outsider. Anyway, video games blow, they’re not art and no matter how hard they try, they never will be. Go on /v/ and tell them you didn’t like that expedition game and watch how immature they act.
>>25156025top kek
>>25155990good. every retard who raved about its "philosophical" storyline is a mindless monkey, it was just shitty overused biblical tropes with some half-assed existentialism
>>25156347why do gamers insist that Ex33 is some unique divine work of art? it's just even more crappy genre fiction tropes but le frenchie vibes
>>25149248>stupid and reductionist propagandaLike all vidya.
>>25155912wow what an endorsement. im throwing out all my tolstoy and joyce books right now
>>25156551True but it's so much more blatant with DE
>>25156550The same reason teenagers who saw The Matrix were mindblown. They just don't know any better. That's it.
>>25149248>I've come to /lit/ for video game recommendations because I'm too pretentious to post on /v/, too dumb to figure out any of my own (which is obvious because I'm playing a video game instead of reading a book), and too partisan to enjoy anything that doesn't conform to my exact political beliefs without labeling it as "propaganda."Good luck finding anything that will suit your requirements, then. People who hold your beliefs don't tend to have the talent to make art. It's why they always play games or read books or watch movies by people who are diametrically opposed to them. Because they don't have any culture of their own and so they desperately cling onto everyone else's.
>>25156550You’re dealing with a group of people whose experience with writing is something from a final fantasy game that consists of one dimensional crazy anime designs acting autistic and grunting.
no mention of the "pentiment" in this thread really? You fakeass dumb and dumbers /v/irgin cocksuckers?? It's the most /lit/ of all the shitty games mentioned here.
>>25156549>shitty overused biblical tropes >half-assed existentialismwhy is this so common in anime shit? its always this kinda shit for some reason.
>>25156686I wouldn’t know I don’t play video games and I want this thread taken down.
>>25156704evangelion fans on blast kek
>>25156719despise nip pseuds so much.
>>25152403>There are no video games that could be adapted into great literatureOf course not, Sherlock. They are completely different mediums. That's why the designers ultimately decide to tell their story through a videogame instead of a book, fucking retard
>>25149909communism is more compassionate in theory
>>25150178>it reduces everything else to a strawman that is not the least accurateyou are so close. you are so close to getting the game.
>>25150243>i feel like the game is more applicable to U.S. than the baltic states>those post-communist mfers do not care about critical race theory or feminism>uses LLM to think for him i really, and i mean really, fucking despise you americans so much.
Snake.
>>25156704Because it's cool.
>>25149412Because transgenders like to pretend to be intelligent, therefore placing them above 'the chuds' by virtue of their comparative intellect. However, like any group, some are intelligent but the overwhelming majority are not and, subsequently, they don't tend to read much at all so they have to substitute it with their real interest: videogames.
>>25156933I enjoy games too but playing them for the themes and story is retarded. Why can’t they just enjoy blowing shit up in GTA or driving fast in Gran Turismo? That game in the OP and that nier game is as lowbrow as it anyway so they shouldn’t feel smarter or better for playing stupid games in which their ostensibly deep themes don’t even scratch the surface of a book.
>ITT: Games more /lit/ than Disco Elysium
>>25153044I don't really know why people get this achievement then proceed to get buttmad about it (many such cases). I'm very much a moralintern supporter by the game's standards. I want ze price stabilité, flowcharts, processes and nothing revolutionary whatsoever. Of course my politics are not conducive to good, entertaining art, it's something you cannot optimize for or design by committee. If you want boundary-pushing, interesting art, you'll have to put on a metaphorical HAZMAT suit and venture out into more radical ideas and to more radical people, like a stalker going for artifacts. And you'll have to process what you've found in a compartmentalized way.
>>25152487Wow, this is the worst opinion i had the displeasure to read in a while. Have a (You), you earned it.
>>25156933>>25156989>samefagging this blatantly
>>25158593Shit, you got me, whatever shall I do?
>>25156886to retarded teenagers
>>25159089Hey! You’re talking about half of /lit/, think before you speak!
>>25159092start with the Greeks.
>>25157003This game is my e-reader
>>25153547This game turned me into a pseud, and is indirectly what brought me to /lit/ in the first place.
>>25159496https://youtu.be/6uSuRfR5cKE
I can't believe nobody has said modded minecraft skyblock yet
>>25159651But they have, if you’d bother to read, dumb gamer.
>>25159660I have 0 tolerance for these kind of nasty insults
>>25153060>as if Borges had concocted a lovecraftian story.poser detected
picrel is the only video game I would praise as having something really interesting to say. New Vegas is pretty good as well.Every other game is just a game and you are wasting your time if you play single player. Games are meant to be played and won with your friends.
>>25159832>New Vegasso true xister
>>25149540I don't know that I would have disliked the final act so much if there wasn't a stupidly long wait for 30 minutes of content because the devs thought it needed to release on all platforms complete at once despite the pc version being left unfinished for half a decade as a result of it. If anything, the ending is just a little too hopeful for my taste. I agree with the sentiment but it doesn't feel like it properly reflects on all that came before, and the mood is totally shot. That said, phenomenal game otherwise with great writing, visuals, and an all-timer soundtrack. Really shook up my notion of what games could do as a medium, and I'm still bummed that no games have really borrowed its act-interlude structure to explore things outside of the main story.
>>25149248I started playing this game yesterday and after about twenty minutes I dropped it and decided to do something else. Is it actually good? The writing seemed pretty bad with a lot of 4th wall breaking Marvel tier quips.
>>25149412Video games generally have absolutely terrible writing. Disco Elysium, Kentucky Route Zero and Planescape: Torment are still absolutely terrible but they're better than most. The best video game writing is below even the romance pulp they sell to 80 year old women in supermarket checkout line.
>>25160276>Is it actually good?Half the people in this thread are from /v/ i don’t even know why this thread is up since it doesn’t actually pertain to literature at all. Your post is not surprising, this part I mean:>The writing seemed pretty bad with a lot of 4th wall breaking Marvel tier quips.So with that being the case and that fact that it’s a video game. I think I can conclude for you that no, it is not actually good.
>>25159865Do rightgroids really form their tastes based on what trannies like/don't like? Even tranny chasers don't factor the opinions of trannies into their personality this much.
>>25160287Rightoids are just extreme chasers.
>>25159089Retard teens unironically have better taste than your average adult.
>>25159865>>25160287>>25160308Who fucking cares what toys you prefer. Grow up, stop playing video games.
>>25160284>The best video game writing is below even the romance pulp they sell to 80 year old women in supermarket checkout line.To a homosexual, yes.To any red-blooded male? Hell no.
>>25160315
>>25160318True, I’d rather play through the story of GTA Vice City again than touch a single one of those books. It’s so fucking cool taking over 80s Miami.
>>25160315>stop having fun and doing things I don't like!
>>25160284>The best video game writing is below even the romance pulp they sell to 80 year old women in supermarket checkout line.I always see midwit poser takes like this. There are no YA or women's romance novels that even attempt to be literary, that emphasize prose and thematic depth over soap opera plots and word salad worldbuilding, that has roots in classic literature. Can any game compare to the likes of Joyce or Proust? No, but in no planet are Cosmology of Kyoto and Kentucky Route Zero comparable to fantasy and teen romance kitsch. It's intellectually dishonest to say otherwise.
>>25160404Anyone that thinks romantasyslop has better writing than Legacy of Kain is, quite simply, a homosexual.
>>25149254I loved and was puzzled by the cover in magazine ads in electronic gaming monthly. Complete mystery for a decade till I saw gameplay on youtube.
>>25149335My gay friend nick liked dasha's game?
>>25160977Dasha is walled and her poison womb is barren.
>>25160404>>25160615Kentucky Route Zero and Legacy of Kain are pure garbage and only retards think otherwise.
>>25149412It has pretty good writing in terms of concepts and vocabulary. In comparison to other games, it also has unique and intruguing characters. The mechanics uses interesting plot reveals for multiple playthroughs.
>>25149729I fell in love with the performance of the voice actors. Classically trained and putting it their all on a fantasy game. Shame the creator was cut out of the last of us.
>>25149878The ending song is the cat's meow.
>>25160983>t. homosexual
>>25150237What an odd thing to say.
>>25151230Neat premise. They have a sequel out recently.
>>25151271Based illiterate.
>>25151435I would prefer hotel dusk on the ds.
>>25152116Harder than the first level of tomb raider 3 on the ps1 or driver 1 tutorial level hard?
>>25152229Hyperdimension neptunia sounds good on paper but man, was the gameplay dull. Would have worked better as an anime series.
>>25149978Hairy man hands typed this post
>>25161042The actual anime itself was pretty fun.
>>25155792The books about the forerunner are cool, the little I read of the first one.
>>25155990From all the gooning, I presume.
>>25160980I will be more than elated to fill her vanilla womb. ;)
Control and returnal create majestic flavor text. Really grow the world.
>>25149254I got filtered vros. I don't mind the infinity engine clunky combat. It's part of the charm. I love it in fact.But it's wall of text after wall of text. Full of fantastical nonsense.Everything in the game is gross. Even the interface is kind of yucky. The items you find are unsanitary stuff you shouldn't pick up.I know it has ratgirl though so maybe I'll try to play the game again and she will be my waifu.
>>25161111if it had a smarter interface and UI design like Disco Elysium, it would have been a lot easier to digest. one of the smartest things about disco elysium is how it makes reading a shit ton of text feel like nothing at all. i saying this as an oldfag enjoyer of Planescape, just like the Disco devs.https://youtu.be/9X0-W5erEXw?si=cY8eoJzmAF9cB5-E&t=69
>>25160315what are you, 60?
>>25161050still showing
>>25160276it gets better but if you've read literally any major russian novelist, you've already been exposed to much better. anything by bely or chekov mops the floor with this glorified action figure set
>>25160404>i'm smart and i fit in here
>>25160313two sides of the same faggy retarded shit-covered coin
>>25161088>flavor textnot /lit/. go back.
>>25160404The "games are art" crowd always focus on narrative games as their proof that they should be taken seriously. Ultimately, Katamari Damacy wipes KRZ or Pathlogic or whatever. Games are their own thing and probably aren't art in the traditional sense and the status games that try to prove otherwise are signs of an inferiority complex. Also disco elysium is super pozzed
The Void is the best example I can think of when I consider the argument of games being art. Not that it is, it’s certainly onto something though. Rez too maybe?
>>25149248I feel like mentioning actual visual novels here would be cheating
>>25161846Kageaki too based for /v/ and not schizo enough for /lit/. Makes me sad, would make a good protagonist of a Zola novel.
>>25161846I love this based retard
>>25161862>>25161846He’s… me.
>>25161862There should be a Kanae column where she agrees with Kageaki but does it anyway so she can kill more people
>>25161862>>25161865The scene where he spergs out on Ichijou after she asks one question about armor racing is the most I've ever related to a video game character
>>25161846>>25161855>>25161862>>25161865Love Kageaki, however, for me, it’s this schizo
>>25161846>46 hours to beatThat is on the long side for VNs. Is it good or are you gassing it up? Looking at the GOG page it just seems like a campy shounen with a coat of seinen paint.
>>25161891It’s got pretty nice prose for a VN, in translation too. The ideas are simple, nothing you haven’t read before if you are in fact well read, and sure it often goes into shonen territory, that notwithstanding, it’s really enjoyable with a very entertaining autistic protagonist.
>>25161871I love both schizos and based retards. Some recommendations:>Leo Naphta (Magic Mountain)>Franz Biberkopf (Berlin Alexanderplatz)>des Esseintes (Against Nature)>most Pynchon characters (especially GR)
>>25161891>>46 hours to beatIt's much longer than that. Like 80+ hours for most people. It is actually as good as everyone says, yes. It's not really like anything Shounen that I've read, but I haven't really read any Shounen since I was 13 or 14 so I might not be the best judge of that.
>>25161901>>Franz Biberkopf (Berlin Alexanderplatz)Still got to read that, I saw the “movie/miniseries” and thought it was great, which is saying a lot since I generally think little of movies. The Magic Mountain is amazing. And GR has its faults but it’s essentially western Subahibi so it’s definitely apt.
>>25152142Eh... back when he was alive, he and I exchanged a few emails and he was always really insightful and kind and open, and clearly had read and seen a lot more than often ended up being reflected in his reviews. I miss him, even though my own critical taste in films is closer to the long-retired Duncan Shepherd and, I suppose, Richard Brody (actually, I disagree with Brody as much as I agree with him, but he still is always worth reading).
>>25161910Tell me, do you ever ask about about his experience with Cosmology of Kyoto?
>>25155728Kek. BG2 fan mods were the best.(also, BG2 was a better game, and more /lit/, than PS:T)
>>25152242>hd remaster
>>25161911No, we didn't talk about games or computers at all.
>>25161921I wonder what he’d think of Kaufman’s shitty book, I know he loved Synecdoche New York.
>>25161693Yeah and ultimately non-narrative poetry wipes Dante and Homer because it doesn't get bogged down by story/characters, right?
>>25161925This is a retarded comparison, literature is primarily a far more narrative oriented medium than video games. Even then, it’s not necessary to have a good story or complex characters if your writing is good enough, anyone who’s read enough should know this.
>>25161925I'm making observations, not normative claims. The most valuable games seem to be those that refine their approach and presentation, not the ones trying to Be Art.
>>25161924> Synechdoche New York mentionedSince this is now a non-/lit/ media thread on /lit/, I'll ask here. Can someone explain to me why this resonated so deeply with people? I'm not afraid to admit I understand very little of it. The whole movie seems like a trip into the author's very depressed, terminally anxious and decrepit mind. It's effective at being unsettling, yes, but you don't really have to work hard to be unsettling to the viewer, dream logic with some body metamorphosis is usually enough to unsettle most people. I might as well have just seen a poster that says "I am Charlie Kaufman, I am very sad and I hope that art helps me get over that but I'm afraid I'll die first." - at which point all I can say is, OK man, I'm sorry you are this way, but this is a conversation you should be having with your therapist, not me the viewer. But obviously people have found more than me in it, so what did they find?
>>25161987Honestly, it’s just slop with a postmodern tint to it. Kaufman is a hack and can’t write for shit. DFW, Delillo and other American pomo writers do much better than him.
>>25161987>>25161998Beckett for midwits
>>25161846cool action figure kid, did your uncle buy it for you for you birthday
>>25161916she would be perfect for the bmaf threads
>>25161925please tell me there's supposed to be a /s at the end of this reddit-adjacent comment
>>25161987i liked the movie but i wouldn't say it resonated deeply with me. i just thought it was a cool exercise in aesthetic autism, and watching PSH act is always a pleasure. compared to pomo lit it's obviously very entry-level compared to someone like pynchon. additionally, odds are people already familiar with someone like kafka will probably not be as impressed by it.
>>25161987Midwits are always impressed by anything that uses babby's first Jungian concepts, that's most of what I remember about the movie
>Waaaaah I’m gonna die I’ve got to finish my pretentious play but also everything is kinda quirky lol but also nooo I lived like a hundred years and accomplished nothing I’ll listen to the dead woman over the speaker when she tells me to die because life is basically one big play and we’re all the side characters. Bravo, Charlie. Truly!
>>25153228Metal Gear Solid series affected my life and meaning more than 90% of books
>>25152745nothing to do with AI, schizo
>>25153044op here, i didnt get achievements cause i pirated it heheheh
>>25162240How? Are you an espionage agent or something? The AI in those games aren’t really that observant so it’s easy to sneak around, I’m sure it’s much tougher in real life. Did playing as Snake teach you some cool combat and stealth tricks maybe? I don’t see how it could be so influential to you.
>>25153854>how far this place has fallen
>>25162230>because life is basically one big play and we’re all the side charactersi should probably make a thread to talk about this but it cuts close to the core of what I don't get about the portrayal of nihilism in most sources. Why is it so defeatist and treated as a failure mode?Like, yes, sure, there is no fundamental meaning to life and at the end of it there's also nothing, but why must that mean you have to lie down and whinge until you die? It also means you can come up with your own goals and achieve them. If you want low-hanging fruit invent simple goals for yourself and achieve them. If that gets too trivial invent more challenging ones and achieve them too. If you fail it's also fine because the goal was made up in the first place and you can make up a more achievable one. You can move the goalposts however you like, since you're the only one playing. It's like, mental self-preservation 101.
>>25155328>>25155407great suggestions guys :)
>>25162262>I don't get about the portrayal of nihilism in most sources.The issue is that they all have a fundamental misunderstanding of nihilism to begin with.
>>25156627be quiet, pseud
>>25156865>>25156871you dilating is not a point lol
>>25160404bingo
>>25156865>getting the gameAnon, a toy made for manchildren like you isn’t really something hard to “get”
>>25161846Visual novels welcome
>>25162200Kek, I like Muramasa but it does look like a kids action figure.
>>25162200I bought the MODEL KIT myself, thank you very much
>>25162292I'd be insulted if it didn't.
Saints Row 4
>>25162756quite the handsome adolf
>>25162284Yet almost nobody on this board full of retards gets it.
