History general thread. What have you been reading and what have you to recommend–>discuss? I started this last night and it's kino of the highest order. For fans of Storm of Steel. Next history book I'm going to read after this will probably be Dancing in the Glory of Monsters. I'll finish Ghost Wars eventually.
>>25152095nice, cool
>>25152095Does normative social history exist? Doesn't really if its Marxist or not. Throw some recs at me.
>>25152095Just started reading Enemy at the Gates: The Battle for Stalingrad by William Craig. 70 pages I'm and it's great so far.
Mark Twain - Roughing it. Enjoying it a lot, good account of the wild west.
Good read.
>>25152095I am reading this but his prose isn't based like Marx in Bonaparte, it doesn't give me the satisfying flow of spirit moving through contradiction like Hegel's philosophy of history. I guess I am more of a philosophy chud than history one desu.
Oh hey I just read pic related. Fantastic read regarding how there was nothing at all eat. They were drinking snow and eating horse blood.
>>25152095How is the writing style? How was this guys outlook on the war? Also, I am once again recommending SPQR by Mary Beard to enrage you into giving me superior alternative Roman history suggestions
>>25153119I've wanted to read his Hawai'i correspondence for awhile now. Never read any Twain whatsoever before but it sounds really kino.
>>25153849The decline and fall of the Roman empire. It isn't that bad if you read it as a collection of ancient history as available for 17th century English man.
I've finished my book about the two Congo wars and have moved onto The Conquest of New Spain. It's.. okay, I guess. That bit about scaring the natives with a cannon blast and a horny horse was funny as fuck.
>>25153849This bitches documentaries on YouTube are fucking insufferable. She's such a sneering faggot feminist.
Finished Dan Jones' War of the Roses. Very accessible text. Moving on to read a bit Roman von Ungern Sternberg, and then maybe look for something about Norway or the Greeks pre Rome. Or post Rome, even.
>>25152095>What have you been reading and what have you to recommend–>discuss?Just finished reading Carlyle's biography on Frederick the Great. Tldr, yea it/he was pretty great. Would probably recommend something a bit more succinct if youre interested in the guy though, since Carlyle sure loves his tangents. Probably going to tackle this one soon, its been in the back of my mind forever. After I'm finished reading three kingdoms ofc, which a pure joy to read so far since im a huge fan of that era
>>25153849>Roman history suggestionsPeter Heather's books about Rome are excellent.
>>25152095Does this read like a novel? I made the mistake of getting Runciman's crusades book series that is praised for its prose but it's a fucking slog."And so and so did this. And the prince gathered soldiers and the pope stalled. And the Muslims yada yada. "
If you want to learn about the history between Iran, Israel and the US...
>>25155526>Does this read like a novel?Yeah kinda. It's rather antiquated but it's fast paced and very short.
>>25154054I think I want a more solid foundation of knowledge of Rome before I jump into the more literary and outdated works>>25155026I prefer the Republic but I’ll check this out. Thanks.>>25154072Just about done with SPQR. She wasn’t too bad. I learned new things more often than I was annoyed.
>>25154135Yours in picrel i really want to attempt
>>25156071>I prefer the Republic Have you read Livy?
>>25152095Whats some good modern scholarship on Ancient Greece which is also accessible?
>>25153849Dio Hal., Roman Antiquities.Village to Empire if your want modern scholarship.
The War of Wars: The Epic Struggle Between Britain and France, 1789-1815 by Robert Harvey>At the turn of the 18th century the greatest nations in Europe offered history two distinct ideals that would shape the new century: England was a democratic, constitutional monarchy; while France had suffered the cataclysm of Revolution that ripped the absolute king from the throne and replaced him with the mob. Out of this maelstrom emerged a military leader, Napoleon Bonaparte, commander of the revolutionary army, who would conquer Italy and Egypt before returning to Paris to proclaim himself emperor. As Napoleon gained power in France, the world stood on the brink of total war. By 1805 the general was making plans to cross the channel and invade England. The subsequent drama reaches from the frozen plains surrounding Moscow to the Caribbean waters, from the debating chamber of the Parliament to the muddy fields of Waterloo. The Great French Wars (1793–1815) can truly be called the first global war; it was also the first conflict driven by industrial might. As Napoleon's revolutionary guard ravaged Europe, men like the Duke of Wellington, Horatio Nelson, as well as their allies, Duke Charles of Hapsburg and Gebhard von Blucher stopped his complete domination of the continent.
>>25157274>992 pages>Listed as "Kids History"???
Thoughts?
>>25157427Looks like shit
>>25157436"Looks like" you didnt read it either
>>25157274So it's about the War of 1812?Why not just say that.
Anybody here ever read this? Might jump over to it once I finish The Conquest of New Spain.
>>25156140No, but I recently picked up a beaten up copy from a used bookstore.>>25156195Looks neat. Thanks
>>25152095Currently reading Clausewitz’s history of Napoleon’s first Italian campaign.I would have read it in English, but the commentary by the French artillery officer who translated my copy is incredibly insightful. Clausewitz didn’t have access to many of the correspondences and accounts that illuminate the objectives and mindset of the French generals while making decisions, so he got some things wrong.I haven’t read anything in French in a long time, thoo, my reading skills have gotten rusty.
>>25152095did Robert Service's books come back in print or something? Saw new titles on amazon earlier.
>>25152095I'm going to restart The World of the Huns by Otto J. Maenchen-HelfenI spent an entire day trying to figure out how to get a PDF onto my Kindle without bricking it, until I remembered that I have a .mobi in my library from years and years ago. I think I probably have the last fucking .mobi of it in the world, because I could find it absolutely no-where else.
>>25158272Did you ever consider... I dunno... JUST BUYING THE FUCKING EBOOK!? YOU ENTITLED FUCKING PARASITE!?!
>>25158283lol have you ever tried to buy an old, out of print non-fiction book, you fucking tool?
>>25158296>b-b-but $40-$100 IS TOO MANYIES!!!Have you tried... I dunno... NOT BEING A BROKE ASS LITTLE BITCH!?
>>25158302no
>>25152095Picked that up last year. Nice read to see the French suffer.
>>25152095This looks pretty interesting, I just ordered a copy. What are some other good books to get started on this era of history? I am quite a novice on the subject.
Greek history suggestions? Was thinking Introducing the Greeks, Bronse Age Saikors to whatever, 2015, Edith Hall, I think. Anyone read it? Now we've deciphered linear b it's apparently better to pick stuff that's modern?
>>25152095Just finishing A History of Medieval Spain by Joseph O’Callaghan. More text book in nature but covers fully a period from the Visigoths to a reunified Spain and definitely worth the slog if you want to know about this fascinating period in European history.
>>25158539I actually just bought Edith Hall today. Wtf are you stalking me or something? I guess picrel might be down your alley too...
>>25158563*The Edith Hallbefore someone makes a Greek slave joke. God forbid.
>>25158565Your mom is a Greek slave.
>>25158588Of course, I'm the one who sold her
>>25152095The Oera Linda Book.I don't care if some people say its a hoax, there are just as many people who think its Legit based on the linguistics. But what really convinced me was all the dates and the archeological data. Maybe the author could have got lucky and guessed a few things like the Minoan Civilization and shit, but the 4.2Kiloyear event is just way too spot on.Sent me down a rabbit hole of reunderstanding mythology as history just subverted by negligent historians.
I read this book about the six day war last year and was quite satisfied as the author was very good at diving deeply into the diplomacy and situations of both sides while also going into the details of the fighting. It's a shame he didn't write about the Kippur war. I am considering Abraham Rabinovichs' book as a follow up except if someone has a better recommendation.
>>25157427I've read part of her medieval volume (published as "The History of the Medieval World," if that's different from your picrel then disregard), its very different from standard history books in that it is basically a chronology of things happening over time. So its literally like "992 - King whatshisface takes the throne" for hundreds of pages. OFC there are themes and narratives that she chooses to focus on, and she provides context and explanations but its less obvious or openly stated. I remember one of the volumes had a great explanation for how Aztec religion justified human sacrifice as cycling energy used by humans back to the sun (which provided life for everything on earth) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tonalli>>25153806Hobsbawm is at one end of the idealism-materialism spectrum in historiography, so he not really representative of the field as a whole vis a vis philosophy. Many historians take philosophy and idealism more seriously than him, especially older ones.
>>25152095anything similar to this that isn't Jared Diamond's slopfest?
>>25158766Parts of it seems like things that could be true without there being anything really controversial about it, but parts of it reads like a priest/rabbi trying to discredit old European gods and push people towards punitive monotheism (judaism). Just my two cents.
>>25158408The MC is a German althoughbeit.
>>25157924I haven't but I read Fifth Sun by Camilla Townsend and enjoyed it a lot
>>25163436Hmm. Reeks of feminist revisionist dogshit
>>25163452Because it was written by a woman?
I read this a while ago and thought it was hilarious. I've heard about it because my country (Romania) plays a big part of the story.It's more lighthearted and deals with some post WW1 drama. I recommend it if you're interested in that sort of thing.
>>25162819Absolute piece of trash book. The last 50 pages or so read like the author is getting paid by word count. Not even worth pirating.
This was better than expected. Are the authors other books good?
Bump
>>25164004Gonna answer the question?
I’m looking for some good books on rhodesia. Any recommendations?
>>25166784Too little on the african side of it, and a little too complete at time, but Rhodesia: A Complete History by Peter Baxter was pretty good.
>The Boisterous Sea of Liberty: A Documentary History of America from Discovery through the Civil War compiled by David Brion Davis and Steven Mintzhttps://www.amazon.com/Boisterous-Sea-Liberty-Documentary-Discovery-ebook/dp/B00WBHSFEI
Just finished the Operation Paperclip book after a break with the flu. it was alright, not spectacular not terrible. Bounces around a lot trying to give depth to about 20 or so German Scientists.Gonna start reading this, has anyone read this?
>>25170335Operation paperclip book for reference
How long after a historical event do you desire a book to be produced? I feel like a book that came out a decade after the event doesn't have all the info but I could be wrong. What do you guys think?
Best single book/volume overview of 1800 to 1913/pre WW1?
Got picrel on its way. I bought a used copy from a third-party seller on Amazon so it's taking a few weeks. I'm looking forward to reading it.
>>25171414Anon who made that thread here, I finished it several weeks ago, enjoy.
>>25172982You said it's pretty funny right?
>>25172990I thought so, your milage may vary of course.
What's the greatest history of the Mongol empire ever written?
I just ordered this on Amazon, it should arrive in a few days. I'm excited to read up on the historical and philosophical background of the Enlightenment. The author has a ton of other books on modern european history, has anybody read anything by him?
I have weird request.Are there any English-language books about the history of the German Anti-Deutsch movement? It was a movement that started in Germany in the 1980’s that was opposed to Germany’s reunification, thinking it would bring on a new Nazi state. Later, it would evolve into this anti-nationalist movement that was leftist but also very Pro-Zionist. It dissipated in the 2000’s but its tenets kind of spread into German center-left politics overall. It’s the type of people who say Israel is actual existing Commuism.
>>25173262The History of the Mongol Conquests
>>25152095Whats some good newer stuff in the vein of Robert Darnton?
>>25174201I doubt it but have a bump. I'm curious as well.
Any reading on the Hellenic dark age?
Not trying to be controversial but if I'm only gonna read one book on Hilter revisionism what should it be?
>>25178094I guess Irving's your only option. Not an area I'm too interested in.
>>25178094Holocaust Industry by Norman Finklestein>>25178096 Hitler's War doesn't really discuss the Holocaust at all. It just kind of steps over it altogether.
Does anyone know where I can find PDF versions of pic rel? The one hosted on internet archive is missing some volumes.
>>25152095I want to learn more about Charleston, South Carolina and the Lowcountry area in general. Are there any non-pozzed books that don't just whinge about MUH SLAVERY? I'm willing to read stuff published pre-1900.
>>25178329Then I guess maybe Shirer or Kershaw? I dunno. Just throwing out names here
>>25179176Well it's not about SC, but Midnight in the Garden of Evil by John Berendt might be up your ally. It's about Savannah Georgia.
>>25179422*Garden of Good and Evil
>>25179176grew up here, shoutout West Ashley neighborhood of Charleston. the entire place (lowcountry too) was built on drained swampland. most of the lowcountry's still swamps. "Lowcountry at High Tide: A History of Flooding, Drainage, and Reclamation in Charleston, South Carolina" by Butler's probably the best on this. Civil War-wise, Brennan's "Secessionville: Assault on Charleston" is where I'd start, followed by Wise's "Gate of Hell: The Campaign for Charleston, 1863." If you want something more memoiry, then Pat Conroy's "The Water is Wide" is where I'd go, memoir of his time teaching on the Barrier Islands. (Can't talk about SC/Lowcountry literature without mentioning Pat Conroy, every Lowcountry household has at least one Conroy book in hardcover. Throw in his novel "The Lords of Discipline" for a look at the Citadel.)>stuff published pre-1900Siege Train: The Journal of a Confederate Artilleryman in the Defense of Charleston is interesting.
>>25178601Anna's Archive m8. Recently downloaded their History of The Mongol Empire
>>25179382If you want a good, holistic overview from 1933 to 1945 of the European front. This is a good book. If you want to know Hollywood and the Israeli government worked to build the Holocaust narrative post-war, read Finklestein
anyone here have any experience with this one? gonna start it after i finish the third policeman by flann o'brien
>>25179927Just get a more recent history from like the 50s or something unless you really like Carlyle's writing style
>>25179936heard great things about carlyle though, reading this to see what he's like more than I am to learn about the french revolution. still worth it?
>>25179942nta but no, if you're reading carlyle to learn more about carlyle you're better off reading SR or his selected essays
>>25179942Sure although you could just read some of his shorter essays or collection of works firstOn Heroes, Hero-Worship, & the Heroic in History is a fine little book
>>25178329Is that holocaust focused or Hitler focused? I'm looking for the latter
>>25179956Hitler's War is what you want. You could also look into the Table Talks if you're really autistic about it
I found a copy of Hitler's War in a thrift shop one time but the spine was badly broken and pages were falling out of it. Meanwhile a used copy on Amazon is over a thousand dollars CAD.
Received my copy of Dancing in the Glory of Monsters today. I'll be reading it as soon as I finish Songs of a Dead Dreamer/Grimscribe.
Does anyone know of any good books on the Cuban revolution and the crimes of the Castro regime?
>>25180322Cuba Libre! by Tony Perrottet was okay, it only convers the revolution, almost nothing of what was before and nothing at all about the aftermath and Castro's regime.
>>25180342Well, that's not what I'm looking for (haha).
Great read.
>>25180168>the spine was badly broken"People" who break the spines of their books are garbage. It's not hard to keep a book- even a paperback- in near-mint condition as you read it.
I'm reading "An Unfinished History of the World" by Hugh Thomas. I hope it will give me a solid foundation from which I can learn about other topics like economics or modern politics.I've just finished the first part which goes upto 2000BC.I'm surprised how advanced the Iraqis were in the Bronze Age. They had basic systems of law to keep societal cohesion, private commerce, decent maths etc. I didn't think that writing would come about first due to commerce, and that writing would be unimpressive, but I guess I can see how in a small town with low specialisation, you always had the option of just doing the exchange in person or via a messenger.I wonder how expressive Sumerian is.Also, I didn't expect that most of humanity were still semi-nomadic by the industrial revolution, practicing a slash-burn agriculture where you burn forest for agricultural land that you use for 8 years or so before moving on.
>>25153849Polybius is right there, you don't have to read these pre-chewed quaternary sources
>>25181959Landmark Polybius this year hopefully ?
>>25158766>>25162892It's a strange one.On the one hand, there are bizarre overlaps with real events that seem excessive if it was just a kooky LARP, but then there's what seem like obvious anachronisms in the language and a proto-liberal/proto-feminist 19th century political agenda.The realist in me says a well-made fabrication (that still has merit in spite of that being the case), but the schizo in me says it contains genuine layer of truth interspersed with later insertions.
>>25153806Age of Capital is vastly superior, for something more focused picrel>>25179927This and Michelet’s are the only classical histories of the French Revolution worth reading today, and solely for the literary aspect.
>>25175795Nobody?
>>25181918>most of humanity were still semi-nomadic by the industrial revolutionInteresting, where was this? India? Middle East? Africa? Because Europe, North and South America and China were not doing this at all. They were all modern agrarian civilizations, with maybe some small exceptions.
>>25182122Bizzump
>>25182656Is there any books with a wide scope like this written by actual historians similar to Felipe-Fernandez Armesto's edition of the Oxford History Of The World?
