I’m just gonna say it. In the face of civilisational decline in the west, we would do good in immersing ourselves in Russian religious thought, especially solovyov and berdyaev. They witnessed the collapse of the Russian world and berdyaev the emergence of the Soviet Union. They also saw a new spark of religiousness, although mostly in Russian immigrant circles. We can learn a lot from them.And by that I don’t mean that the west must convert to orthodoxy or smt like that. Just an honest outline of collapse and hope from a genuine Christian perspective.
>>25154158I wonder which book he was reading while posing for that.
>>25154158Berdyaev was a liberal and a marxist
>he actually said itInclude me in screenshot!
>>25154191The left thumb suggests there was no book when he posed.
>>25154204He was certainly not an authoritarian. He was influenced by Marx but in an unorthodox way, it did however inform his social teachings. But I wouldn’t call him a Marxist. He is way too theistic and eclectic to be a genuine Marxist.
>>25154211nvm, that is a watch fob with unfortunate coloring and position.
>>25154204based
Christianity is the problem. It is part of the same family as liberalism, marxism, judaism, islam, and feminism.
>>25154158>In the face of civilisational decline in the west, we would do good in immersing ourselves in Russian religious thoughtyes>especially solovyov and berdyaevmaybe the firstI'll give you a reactionary russian reading list with theological writings as well:Konstantin Pobedonostsev, Reflections of a Russian StatesmanKonstantin Leontiev, Byzantinism & SlavdomIvan Ilyin, Resistance to Evil By ForceNikolay Danilevsky, Russia and EuropeAleksey Khomyakov and Ivan Kireyevsky, On Spiritual UnityAleksey Khomyakov, The Church Is OneSt. Seraphim of Sarov and Nikolay Motovilov, On Acquisition of the Holy Spirit
>>25154158The West just need to restart with the greeks, like they have done in the past.
>>25154204Sounds based
>>25154395I don’t know about the reactionary part. What’s gone is gone. I’ve read ilyin, he is quite insightful, especially about the justification of war. But I’ve mentioned solovyov and berdyaev in particular because they seem to be transcending the reactionary vs progressivism paradigm. We can’t fall back into absolute monarchies and skeletal clericalism. The true church (catholic) is back in the catacombs, most Christians and the hierarchy just haven’t recognised this yet. It’s time to separate once again the worldly realm from the spiritual, in order to safe the true identity of the church and the herd. In the end the Christian has to be the salt of the earth and it mustn’t lose its taste.
>>25154158>we would do good in immersing ourselvesthe correct idiom is 'would do good by'. just fyi for anons who care.
>>25154782I’m esl, but thanks
>>25154158Starting a socialist revolution just to piss off Westerners is some next level rage bait.
>>25154794I think you are confusing something here.
>>25154158Yes and no. I'm not ethnically Russian so I find the project bemusing at most.
>>25154342Sorry your dad made you go to church on Sundays, Timmy.
>>25155133No, I think he's right. Its pretty much rage bait.
I don‘t intend on solving a society run into the ground by jews via worshipping jews in the manner of their most faithful golems, thanks.
>>25154158Russian religion was so weak they allowed their church to get infiltrated by the KGB to serve as an arm of the government. Any time I see a hardcore religious Russian I just assume he worships Putin and Stalin not God.>They were under communism broSo was Poland yet they didn’t let their churches get infiltrated and that excuse no longer applied after the fall of the USSR.
>we need to return to paradigms that ultimately failed The wheel keeps turning
>>25155182You’re completely missing the point. These thinkers aren’t theologians or priests of the Russian Orthodox Church (berdyaev was a priest, before his exile), they are philosophers, particularly religious philosophers. This is not about how the Russian church failed or succeeded, it’s about the thought that emerged in the Russian empire, that has as its goal the realisation of what Christianity demands from individuals and societies. You don’t have to be orthodox to appreciate the impulses they give.
>>25154342Suure, thats why the first thing marxists always attack was christianity and the family unit.
>>25155222Except if you actually look at what "trads" in America write about they really do fetishize the Russian Orthodox Church, they're not looking at it forknyuur perspective. The Russian Orthodox Church has a consistent pattern of throwing their flock under the bus and bowing to secular power, both under the czars, communism and now Putin. Something is clearly wrong with how religion functions in Russia which is why you have to take these authors with a grain of salt.
>>25156791Yes, you’re right. I’m not American but I share this sentiment. Reading these thinkers with a grain of salt is advised, too. One has to be very careful with the Russian exceptionalism that is often endorsed by them. But still, there are a lot valuable insights to gain that are missing in the west. I’m a German catholic and the religious thought in this country has been abysmal for the last 70 years, so obtaining a genuine uncompromising Christian view has been a struggle.
>>25154158i think there may be something in this, but I think the main benefit would be for the West to look at itself as outsiders look at it. Sometimes the perspective is very valuable.
>>25154737>The true church (catholic) is back in the catacomboh so you're that dimondite retard who uses Solovyov purely for anti-orthodox apologetics, gotch ya
>>25154395I might read some of those down the line
>>25158473I’m what?No, I’m just catholic with a sense of reality
>>25158562are you a sedevacantist?
>>25156893>religious thought in this country has been abysmal for the last 70 yearsReally, why?
>>25159504No, fsspx has the right approach. We’ve had popes since the council, some better, some worse.>>25159515Try reading any German theologian or religious philosopher besides Pope Benedict and Robert spaemann.
I don't really read russian literature for religious thought but the references to old europe/asia. Still looking for the tartaria memes.
>>25159585>fsspx has the right approachthen what's the issue with orthodox clergy that resist the vast majority of their hierarchy?
lmao
>>25159608The issue with orthodoxy in general is the dismissal of the primacy of Peter and the Filioque.
>>25159646Show up more like this
>>25159793Capitalize your Os when referring to Eastern mysticism, papist
>>25156893German religious "thought" has been abysmal for far longer than 70 years. Much of the distortion of the Gospel we see today is a result of German theological liberalism from the late 18th and the whole of the 19th century and onwards.I can't even imagine who you'd be talking about 70 years ago, maybe that heretic Bonhoeffer
>>25159820Lowercase “o” is appropriate use for schismatic sects. Even using the word orthodoxy in reference to such a farce borders on complicity in error. Be sure to thank every adult who placates to your 1000 year old temper tantrum. It’s a humble condescension which deserves your gratitude.
>>25159828I mean guys like hans küng and Jürgen drewermann, who, although they were both excommunicated, were major influences on basically every priest who entered a diocesan seminary
>>25154787you can also say "we would do good to immerse ourselves"for anon who care
Hilarious thread. RUSSIA is your inspiration for how to preserve religion and Christianity, the country where most people are now drunk atheist porn addicts apathetical to their own country's fate.
>>25160896Thank you for the dumbest comment yet
>>25159793The idea of universal jurisdiction is a historical development, even the Papacy under Francis admited that in a document. https://drjulesgomes.substack.com/p/how-pope-francis-planted-a-time-bombWhat the Eastern Orthodox deny about the Filioque is the theological idea of double procession, this is what was debated in councils, so western fathers saying the Filioque doesn't automatically mean that they were professing the theological understanding of the Filioque from the council of Florence.
>>25161868The papacy is the guarantee for unity of faith. The autocephalous churches of the east have developed in a very distinct way, similar to national Protestant churches (although more nuanced). Some were entangled with state authorities to an unhealthy degree, others were suffering from severe persecution and submission in Muslim countries. They are de facto national orthodoxies with a particular cultural flavour. And they are not united.The Catholic Church is one church for all peoples (granted the united eastern churches were originally orthodox and have a distinct character), one faith, one hierarchy, one head.On the Filioque: to be honest, I have never understood the point of criticism from the eastern orthodox, I’ve understood the Filioque as a logical problem. The issue has been settled multiple times in the Middle Ages but the patriarchs of the east always backtracked even against their own delegations, who signed the unification treaties.
>>25161975>The autocephalous churches of the east have developed in a very distinct way, similar to national Protestant churches (although more nuanced). Some were entangled with state authorities to an unhealthy degree, others were suffering from severe persecution and submission in Muslim countries.This is true to some degree but the cause of this is western political influence and pressure from the newly formed nation-states (19th century) to make the local churches independent. When it comes to muslim rule, there were always orthodox hierarchies that were free from that, tsarist Russia is the most obvious example.The difference between the orthodox and the catholic church having problems is that the first doesn't claim any jurisdictional infallibility while the second does with its Vatican I view that even the Ordinary Magisterium is infallibile.
>>25161160Thank you for the dumbest comment yet
>>25154158Religion is a haven for many unexamined pathologies. Unfortunately it is all too often used to cover up and obscure the real psychological issues a person has rather than illuminating them so they can be addressed directly.
>>25154158Russian Cosmists yay or nay? Considering they were Masons and all that.
>>25154395Wow. That's all really lame. Read Limonov instead.
>>25165388Le poète russe préfère les grands nègres
>>25154158Their country is a muslim shithole with declining white birthrates, except their living standards are on par with the third world
