>>25155416
is that chief bitch tits of the atheistlarper tribe

>>25155436
I look like him and post like him.

>>25155463
remember the time he said pua rhymes with gay and called on everyone to get married and have children

>>25155416
He's not influential anymore now that his protégé JD Vance and other techno-rightists have been side-lined by a by a MAGA movement now controlled by neocons.

>>25155416
Keffals?

>>25155416
>we should appoint a jewish tech CEO king and I shall have the honor of washing his feet
Spergy wish fulfillment fanfic is not philosophy

>>25155416
I know it's you making these threads, Yarvin. Fuck off back to Twitter.

>>25155416
because his worldview is being reduced to ashes by Iranian missiles

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>>25155563
Am I the only one absolutely delighted with Trump from an accelerationist perspective? I've wanted the postwar order dead for more than ten years now and Zion Don is giving it to me on a silver platter.

>no more NATO
>EU on the verge of collapse
>antisemitism rising
>American Empire collapsing
>Israel itself being destroyed

Of course most of this isn't something Trump himself actually wants, but it's happening anyway and I couldn't be happier. I feel fully validated in my support of him. And I've been proven right that his greatest philosophical and geopolitical function has always been as a Destroyer.

>>25155582
>>no more NATO
>>EU on the verge of collapse
>>antisemitism rising
>>American Empire collapsing
>>Israel itself being destroyed
none of that is actually happening

>>25155416
Looks like a tranny lel

>>25155582
>wants the postwar order dead
>completely unaware that his entire life is because of the stability granted from the postwar order
You people really would eat shit if it meant a liberal had to smell your breath afterwards

>>25155623
I don't live in a place exposed to nukes. I live in a remote part of the Southern Hemisphere. While you're coughing up blood, I'll be fucking tight little Asians.

>>25155631
>actually thinks this
Lmfao that's about what I expected from a Yarvintard

>>25155657
Read government scenario plans for nuclear war. All of you cunts in the Northern Hemisphere are fucked. The rest of us will muddle through. Cope.

>>25155661
unless you daily labor for your food, water, and other necessities or quickly can adjust to do so, all you're gonna end up doing is watching the global economy go up into literal radioactive smoke while you starve to death

>>25155661
lol when global trade collapses the developing countries will wish for something as quick and painless as nuclear annihilation

>>25155661
>still completely unaware that his entire life is because of postwar order stability
>thinks that "postwar order stability" is synonymous with "nuclear taboo"
Yarvintards are so fucking funny, they know literally nothing but think they're sages

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>swiggity swooty, we comin for dat de-facto monarchy

>>25155416
what an ugly fat bug. spiritually negroid im sure

>>25155563
kek

Monarchism is stupid, its never going to happen, especially in america, whose whole reason for being started with telling a king to go fuck himself. yarvin is also a jew and recently was paling around with alex soros, really went mask off with that one curtis.

>>25155533
What do you even get out of posting this shit

>>25155563
>Because he's a Jew he must be a neocon Jewish supremacist!!
What is it about Jews that reduces people's IQ to caveman levels?

>>25155623
Tell me how any of those things benefit normal people.
Also funny that you come up with the most disgusting perversion as your example. Who could have ever predicted that.

>>25156570
>Monarchism is stupid
>One of the three basic forms of government, the one that has been the human default for almost all of history, is "stupid."
Well that settles that.

>>25156570
I mean what's ultimately going to happen is that Israel is going to be destroyed and all the Jews are going to get fucked, including Yarvin. This is the part of the story where the Jews lose, like they always lose when they're on the cusp of victory.

Israel is going to cease to exist and go back into the control of the Muslims, with exceptions for the Christians in Bethlehem and Jerusalem.

>>25156586
even if a king is good, all it leads to is their retard failsons or daughter ruling things and fucking shit up, and you cant even vote them out

we also rode horses and buggys in the past, so i guess we should ride them again instead of cars

>>25156590
i agree that the younger generations on both the right and left are more jew skeptical when it comes to israel.
but that doesnt matter as they have bought off our politicians

you see guys like nick fuentes and richard spencer spite voting the democrats because they thing republicans are red zog, when they cant comprehend the democrats are blue zog

>>25156594
>even if a king is good, all it leads to is their retard failsons or daughter ruling things and fucking shit up, and you cant even vote them out
So what. Even under a retarded king most monarchies are stable and decent. Rome had the worst kings possible, like Nero, who wished that all Rome had a single neck. And then continued to be absolutely great for centuries afterward.
>we also rode horses and buggys in the past, so i guess we should ride them again instead of cars
Democracy is not a new invention so I don't know what your point is.

>>25156603
>stable

oh yeah, like ceaser being stabbed to death because he sucked so hard, stable

your argument was basically "we did it in the past so we should do it again"

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>>25155416
Because he's not even the most influential of his group. Nick Land mogs him in each and every aspect. Curtis Jarvin is a bad philosopher who made his name by courting powerful people and saying socially contrarian stuff. Nick Land is someone who - at least from the first half of Fanged Noumena - clearly knew his continentals very well.
People on this boar who have not read Kant, Nietzsche, Schopenhauer and at least a bit of Deleuze should not even begin engaging with these philosophers. You do because of internet trends you saw on social media, not because you are genuinely interested in engaging in any philosophical conversation with an author or his writings.
In your case, if you like someone like Yarvin unironically, you literally need to go back to the Greeks and start reading from there. I suggest pic related as a start. After three or four years, when you've sufficiently progressed and read some actual classics of western thoughts, come back and relate how Curtis Yarvin seems to you.

i mean when you think about it, this whole ploy to have a monarchy/dictatorship is just a ploy to save israel, curtis is a jew, and probably a Zionist.

he knows the younger generations are more and more anti Israel, and they will vote for politicians who are the same

jews think they are slick, but they have a low cunning not actual genius

>>25156586
Monarchism was always bad though, it was a relic of the Bronze Age that was largely abolished during the time of the Greeks and the Romans. The Roman Empire was a corrupt, unstable nightmare facing constant civil wars and European monarchies during the middle ages held the content back and engaged in all manners of degeneracy and evil. WWI was the dying gasp of those inbred freaks.

>>25156612
If Trump was king he would worship Israel even harder and probably have the death penalty for anti-Semitism. Neo-monarchists have no form of self-correction or defense against tyranny, it's legitimately the dumbest form of modern government you could advocate for.

>>25155559
The dude is the most famous thinker on the dissident right. Why would I need to make a thread about himself on a loser place like this?

>>25155416
People here don't read contemporary political content. They just bleat like sheep regarding which ever memes they absorbed on social media.

I've read a lot of him. What are you interested to discuss?

>>25156610
This is very stupid. Land has been burned out for almost 15 years. Dark Enlightenment was mostly ghost written by Yarvin for Thiel. Land used to have somewhat novel value in the same way Fisher did, by combining theory with pop culture references. Those days have been long gone.

Epsteinite phenotype

>>25156610
Isn't Land working with Palantir now?

>>25156805
go get raped in a camp

>>25156805
Holy fuck you’re pathetic. Why are the
>dissident right
such meek, dysgenic losers who worship jews?

>>25156612
>i mean when you think about it, this whole ploy to have a monarchy/dictatorship is just a ploy to save israel,
That makes no sense. Isn't Israel getting everything it wants right now?
>he knows the younger generations are more and more anti Israel, and they will vote for politicians who are the same
I thought le voting didn't le matter

>>25156797
>Monarchism was always bad though
What the hell are you talking about. Greece and Rome were monarchies for the majority of their existence and so was Europe. Was Europe "bad" in the 19th century? Are you seriously saying its governance was worse than today?

>>25156852
Europe under monarchism was awful, why do you think everyone wanted to leave for the Americas? They were greedy, inbred degenerates who fought constant wars for wealth, land and even petty personal reasons. They instituted the slave trade and flooded the New World with blacks which makes them bad from a racialist, alt-right perspective. They kept most Europeans living under serfdom with barely enough to scrape by, only noticing the common people when they needed more bodies to throw in the meat grinder for another war of succession. They engaged in constant censorship and oppression which is why most of the European monarchies were violently overthrown or had their powers greatly limited by constitutions. Now the few remaining monarchies are plagued with scandals like the Epstein files and constant marital drama. They're actors for soap operas, not political leaders.

>>25156811
why do we need to resort to a capitalist dictatorship to save the west when we all know today's problems are caused by the ever increasing number of ethnic minorities?
not even a nazi, I just want a libertarian society but it's just impossible with people like them around

>>25156852
>Greece and Rome were monarchies for the majority of their existence
take one guess as to why they killed orange julius and why the term imperator came about

>>25155416
There is no reason to discuss him.

>>25155416
His work is not worth discussing but it is worth noting that his wife is burning in hell for eternity.

>>25156869
The point is the countries were well run. They did not wrack up trillion dollar debts or replace their own native populations with third worlders. People got married and had kids and owned homes and pursued lives much better than today.
Whatever you are afraid of in a monarch is irrelevant. You think having some king over you is a terrible risk. But you have no power in a democracy, either. Zero. You are literally just as helpless as you would be under a complete absolutist monarch. The main difference is the monarch has a stake in keeping the country functional. A million bureaucrats do not.
You talk about the Epstein files. What is that a product of. Democracy. Somehow under democracy there emerges an untouchable corrupt ruling class. Weird.

>>25156909
What are you even trying to say. They killed Caesar in a futile attempt to save a corrupt democracy. Not because he was a bad ruler.

>>25156930
You say this, having never actually read his work. What a piece of stupid shit you are.

>>25156582
What do you get out of carrying water for jews? I'll never be a shabbos goy

>>25156934
Louis XIV was the ruler of France for 72 years and was at war almost his entire reign, mostly against other European countries. His grandson was overthrow and killed in one of the most violent revolutions in history. Spain may have expelled the Muslims and discovered the New World, but was terrible at economics and plagued by debt and inflation due to how much gold and silver they were mining. Most citizens saw no benefit from the Spanish empire, which had the most backwards economy in Western Europe and exported most of their gold to Asia for traded goods. All do this culminated in the reign of Charles II of Spain, probably the best king in Spanish history despite being physically and mentally disabled due to inbreeding. Unfortunately his death led on the War of Spanish Succession. Britain of course had the most stable monarchy but even then they were plagued with civil wars and then the English Civil War which overthrew the king. You can go back further and blame the Norman king William the Bastard for wiping out Anglo-Saxon power and instituting a corrupt, rent-seeking class of Normans whose negative effects are still seen in England today.

Of course the history of European monarchies culminated in the absolute shitfest of WWI, where all the monarchs and aristocrats naked ambition and hunger for wealth was laid bare in one of the bloodiest wars in human history.

>>25156994
>>25156994
This nigger - like every anti-monarchist ever - uses examples of the WORST possible scenarios and characters to prove his point of view that monarchs are bad, fucking BLATANT strawman; all of these eould happen in a span of ten years of the current post-modern world while in the old world you would get one bad, absolute SHIT monarch every hundred years. Not to mention that Europe during WW1 wasn't even monarchal anymore as banks and Jews were on the move to get rid of their last obstacle

>>25157007
Some truth in this. And defenders of democracy never use bad examples of democracy, like what exists in africa and south america. Whenever they talk about Democracy, its always the nordic countries.

>>25157007
Because there aren't any good monarchs, only tolerable ones. And my examples were only to show that even the greatest, most respected monarchs can often have failures as children and grandchildren who can drive the entire country into the ground very quickly.

>>25156972
I argue against idiocy brained right wingerism because I actually care about what happens and the future of the world and my people. Idiocy brained retards taking over the right is the biggest threat to this, and right now idiotic jew obsession is their biggest hangup.

>>25157027
>failures as children and grandchildren who can drive the entire country into the ground very quickly.
No, they can't. Give an example. I gave you an example. Nero. He wanted to kill every Roman. And still the country flourished. It is hard for a monarch to actually be that bad. Countries collapse when their morality/ population goes bad.

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>>25156934
>What are you even trying to say. They killed Caesar in a futile attempt to save a corrupt democracy. Not because he was a bad ruler.
>a corrupt democracy
>democracy
i kneel at the power of this bait

>>25157055
Ok, republic? What is your point? Was Caesar a bad ruler? They killed him to bring the republic back to life, but it was too late for that.

>>25156890
NRx is basically saying that of the sides supporting nationalism (fascism and communism), neither worked out as evidenced by the 20th century. Big state liberal democracies have become more and more dominated by transnational corporations. So while some kind of ethno-nationalistic corporate-state synergy cannot exist in the West, perhaps outside of China and arguably South Korea, communist and fascism both failing terribly, first the latter than eventually the former, and what has risen is the power of immense capital being further leveraged against people, regardless of country, across borders and within borders, manipulating them. NRx basically is just pointing out the trajectory of what has been and will continue to happen.

Now NRx suggests that this leaves two options, globohomo type ideological supernational control of people through some kind of UN/WEF on steroids (the left), or pluralist corporate states which are in competition with one another (the right). Conservatives on "the right" have archaic 20th century mentalities to systems of governance that are effectively dead. So NRx is saying: help us take down the global "left" and we can try to create a system where the average man is better off in a flexible and open system living between managed city states (think Singapore but managed even more like a corporation). The argument is that if glomohomo wins, the average person will be locked in a totalitarian state. If NRx wins, people will be able to move through corporate borders between city states that represent their interests and provide the best quality of life that they enjoy living in and supporting the goals of whichever elite owns or runs said city state. This is argued to be better than just allowing capitalism and the rise of corporations to run their course, dominate regardless and instead of having a more libertarian free choice network of corporations that do not war with one another, the corporations instead use people like cattle and wage war against one another viciously as if they were unfettered tribes in a pre-modern age.

there's a certain threshold of objective aesthetic beautify you need to pass for people to want to engage with you.
Yarvin is so far below that threshold he can never truly exist.

>>25157089
Yea ok, Fabio. I guess we can safely write off 90% of the population of homely people as some kind of silenced slave-caste.

>>25157143
kek fabio

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Just a reminder he's not going to be allowed to leave.
https://youtu.be/nsbUlIbaTqI

>>25157089
I like early Moldbug prose style. It really captures a late 80s/early 90s university feel. And it can be read in Wayne's voice, which is funny.

>>25155416
>Philosophers
>21st century
Cringe.

>>25157049
>Idiocy brained retards taking over the right is the biggest threat to this, and right now idiotic jew obsession is their biggest hangup

It means they would take it over from the jews which objectively is better eeven if it was as dumb as you said. With a dumb self determining group in charge you'll get better result than with a group that despises you and would treat you the way they treat palestinians if they had the chance.

>>25155416
He's a blogger and he's discussed enough

>>25158441
So basically I can choose neocons or nazis. Great.
Well since we have this opportunity maybe we can discuss things before whatever right wing group comes to power so that we get the least retarded possible outcome. That is what I am aiming for at least.

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>>25157027
>there aren't any good monarchs, only tolerable ones
there arent any tolerable politicians. what monarch has ever ordered a boy castrated because his mother wanted to leave his father

>>25155416
Yarvin is only influential because he managed to seduce Peter Thiel (your typical STEMtard: a smart but ultimately naive and uncultured dummy) by telling him that Silicon Valley techbros should rule the world and Thiel gobbled that shit up like candy and uses his fortune to spread Yarvin's mediocre thesis.

He's not respected by anyone who actually reads political philosophy.

>>25158733
what's the point in being respected by the losing team?

>>25158767
ironic of you to say that about the philosopher of sodomites telling them that ok sure the right wing was right about many things but God doesnt exist and the 2000's have the technology to understand that. why does he want to be respected by people who play for the other team and go down in history as another post calvinist atheist

>>25157066
Nice summary.

>>25158733
In what way is it mediocre? Do you actually think radical right or left systems will rise to prominence again, or that what we have now will recover?

>>25158733
>Yarvin is only influential because he managed to seduce Peter Thiel
Yarvin's writing gave birth to nrx which helped give birth to the alt right. That's very influential.
It's annoying to hear everyone give the same hivemind takes as if they're dropping some truth bombs. You don't actually know what you're talking about.

>>25157066
This sounds like a communist interpretation but isn't totally worthless.
Of course what Yarvin talks very little about, but is absolutely a main tenet of NRX, is social conservatism, traditional marriage, etc. This is far more important to 'giving the little guy a decent life' then whatever economic thing you are envisioning.
The governance idea is basically just advanced libertarianism. It sees a problem - the tragedy of the commons - and looks for a solution: making them private property. Econ 101 that libertarians failed to take to this logical conclusion.
In this case 'the commons' being the state, which is currently being devoured on all sides by bureaucrats and politicians and interest with no regard for its actual wellbeing, and solving that problem by making it the property of a CEOking. Everything else is basically a smaller detail downstream of this.

>>25156585
>but how does that affect me PERSONALLY
you stupid fucking retard you're posting that on a device that contains material from a half dozen countries across the globe, that trade is made possible through relative geopolitical stability, why are you all so fucking retarded jesus christ
>oh yeah well you're icky!!! pervert!!!
wild projection

>>25158874
> a main tenet of NRX, is social conservatism, traditional marriage, etc.

How so? All I’ve read is the worship of technological progress and capitalism, the opposite.

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/lit/ has become so fucking conservative now.

its all about discussing guys like Land and Yarvin 20 years too late with no political relevance now that Don has committed political seppuku live on TV, and marxists who want to discuss French socialism rehabilitating stolen old right wing ideas (the eternal project of the French leftist)

post the NEXT politcal philosophy for once

>>25158874
>This is far more important to 'giving the little guy a decent life' then whatever economic thing you are envisioning.
To who? I think you might be confusing the propaganda Yarvin et al. issue to the plebian conservatives with actual accelerationist NRX beliefs. In NRX's idealized form, people can maintain a lifestyle that is aligned to what they want (or think they want) and can transfer without barrier to other corporate city states if they feel the leadership/rule of an area is poorly run. It is meant to provide a performance-based but still libertarian system for city states to compete on structure and vision; unfettered by the excessively wasteful activities involved with maintaining short term leardership (four year terms in the USA). It is very much a pro-immigration stance, where the best and brightest talent, or whichever other type of person a city state requires for its goals, is attracted with marketing/economics based lifestyle packages. Toyota's Woven City, Google's Complex in CA, are the primitive models, but they want to scale them to city-state sized structures.

chinless thread

>>25158922
The recent 100 years in Western politics have been little but liberalism vs conservatism, with liberalism winning at every single step. The new right appears to be a backlash, buts it’s completely devoid of actual victories.

Marxism isn’t really relevant, at best as scapegoat for /pol/yps.

>>25155436
The bitch tits should be gone — he’s been on Ozempic for a while
>>25155416
Nobody else must like his poetry

Libertarians get like 3% of the vote every election and how many of them have read or would possibly agree with Moldbug? Most wouldn't even agree with Hoppe. So they're a minority of a minority. They tried to influence Trump with Thiel and Vance, but he's currently flaming out over Iran and Israel, Republicans are going to get massacred during the midterms. Who knows if Vance will be able to win 2028 now.

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>>25159026
>can transfer without barrier to other corporate city states if they feel the leadership/rule of an area is poorly run
as always, nrxers refused to understand what was really wrong with america, even jim could only vaguely say it though he coined the term divorce rape

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>>25158905
that was the split within nrx, whether the word neoreactionary means perennialist organic Christian or whether it means whatever that doofus says and america does. other than to recognize that anima naturaliter Christiana, nrx has no coherent meaning, as yarvin said the state has the right to set the null hypothesis, and pua rhymes with gay but the single nrxer should get married and have children
>>25158922
>post the NEXT politcal philosophy
1 cross + 3 nails = 4 given

>>25159287
>Vance, but he's currently flaming out over Iran and Israel
the republican party got 9/11'd

>>25159297
meds, bud. Might help to read a little too, this IS the literature board after all.

>>25156582
Have you read his proposal to end the conflict in Gaza? Or have you not read his oft hand mention of his settler friend? Whatever you think of the guy he’s an Israel sympathizer at the very least

>>25159357
nrxs real problem was being all go to church lol instead of criticizing church as if they had actually goed to church, like that orthosphere dude writing the exact truth about the Holy Spirit for once in history, zippy writing that contraception and usury are bad because contraception feels good but is to some extent a waste of time like video games, and basically the way it worked was nrxers had this concept of platforming where a man either speaks or designates another man to speak for him and a concept of shilling point where they all agree to shill for the same thing and basically nrxers were in exile from church which by platforming and and shilling they said they belonged there but voluntarily removed themselves because i guess they didnt want to tithe or give up fornication or whatever? but church needed and needs criticism

>>25158894
I feel like we might be talking about different things here.
Are you saying neoliberal nanny state 1984 blah blah is necessary or the reason computers exist? That if these countries were still monarchies they wouldn't?

>>25158905
Have you actually read nrx, or only ABOUT nrx? Who are you reading?

>>25159026
It is weird how focused you all are on the governance/ economics side of all this. That is the least interesting to me. I get their arguments for kings, and for basic capitalism, but then spend most of the time talking about social issues.
Anyways Yarvin certainly is against mass migration globohomo stuff. He doesn't talk about it much but he's similarly conservative socially to the rest of the right.

>>25159411
Yes I've read that. It sounds reasonable enough. I don't really care about Israel one way or the other. And Yarvin talks about it so little he doesn't seem particularly invested either.

>>25159418
I haven't seen any NRXers in quite a while who are under any delusions about the quality of modern churches.

>>25159558
I haven't seen any NRXers in quite a while. nrx dissolved by 10 years ago

>>25155416
One of Peter Thiel's harem? lol

>>25158733
>anyone who actually reads political philosophy
Like oversocialized university "intellectuals" who take Chomsky seriously

>>25159627
Imagine the crust busting.

>>25159693
go back to /tv/ pajeet

>>25159627
>>25159693
What a horrible addition to this board

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>>25159545
>Are you saying neoliberal nanny state 1984 blah blah is necessary or the reason computers exist
literally picrel. why do nrxers consistently know less than nothing about what they're attacking?

>>25160498
What's your point?

>>25155416
stop giving grifters your attention

>>25160964
he is smarter than you. and richer.

>>25159545
>Anyways Yarvin certainly is against mass migration globohomo stuff.
Not in the long run, at all. You haven't read him.

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>>25158733
There is zero chance you understand or have read either Moldbug or Peter Thiel, certainly nothing you say demonstrates otherwise.

For one thing there was no seduction, the two have had basically the exact same thesis for years that they and anyone else with a brain arrived at independently. And there's certainly no fortune involved, Yarvin has been going on C-tier podcasts and interviews for decades and he's still doing it now, in a way he's a true man of the (autistic) people, he's going around to every obscure corner he can to spread his gospel.

>>25157190
https://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1774326481778717.webm
He's already accepted he's already dead. His wife is a qt though.

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>>25158922
>now that Don has committed political seppuku
Trump might reasonably have a 3rd term at this rate

all of this negativity surrounding him, like usual, is fake hyperbole

this Iran war? literally nothing, not a single real consequence in sight only deluded bunker trannies believe and shill otherwise

>>25155604
only sane person itt

>>25156890
how else do you think you can actually remove the problem element except via an absolute central power?

>>25155416
The engineering class will soon rise.

>>25161220
lol dude, trump is over. maga is over, this iran war shit just reveled him to be an open neocon who worships israel and starts new endless wars.

trump will lose the midterms hard then get impeached.
the stink of trump will transfer to vance, and republicans will lose in 2028 to gavin newsom

the old guard gop has been chomping at the bit to get rid of trump and return the party to being the party of mitt romeny and jeb, the party of loser neocons who appeal to nobody besides the rich and zionists

this whole populism thing is over nothing will ever change

fukuyama was right, its the end of history

>>25155582
>accelerationist perspective
that's not accelerationism, that's lenist dialectics. source: literally nick land https://x.com/xenocosmography

>>25155669
>>25155672
>>25155680
that guy isnt a yarvintard, he is literally a lenist and what yarvin makes fun of
>>25161270

>>25160498
What you're doing here is really stupid. You are imagining some argument where we only have nice things because of liberalism. This is insane. I have no interest in engaging with your delusion anymore.

>>25161061
Yes, I have. Saying I haven't because of one thing that he never talks about is a stupid conclusion.
Link or quote where he is pro mass immigration.

>>25161269
What a stupid person you are. Not for your opinions, which are dumb, but for your smug certainty about things you don't know. Idiotic.

>>25156606
Democratic presidents and prime ministers never get assassinated, famously. A coup? Impossible in a democracy.

>>25161269
No republican will EVER win again. The boomers are the backbone of white America and they are dying out. Timmy is about to learn his new place in society. At the bottom.

>>25162083
the chud-dalits

>>25161290
go get raped in a death camp, chinless fattie

>>25161059
hasan is smarter than you. and richer.

>>25161269
>nothing will ever change
>everything has changed btw it's over
>random irrelevant fukuyama reference
not sure if bot or just retard

either way you're wrong, Americans will just prove how indifferent and dumb they are and while openly hostile to Israel support it unconditionally

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>>25161269
>the stink of trump will transfer to vance, and republicans will lose in 2028 to gavin newsom
yeah it's fucking over for zionists

Of course you can sit and criticize drumpf all day, but who are you going to vote for? Kamala? Nobody wants leftist nutjobs back in power, no matter how disappointed in trump they are.

>>25162390
I didn't vote

>>25155416
because he's not the most influential. He's popular amongst overly online midwits easily fooled by shallow eloquence, but he has written and contributed little of note. He'll be remembered in the future mostly as a polemicist, not a philosopher, because that is what he is.

>>25162839
lol as much as I dislike Kamala, it is pretty clear by now that she would have been miles better than Trump and it's not even particularly close

>>25162839
Nigger just stay home

>>25162961
>>25162963
Let me guess you're Fuentes fans?
What is so bad about Trump, exactly?

>>25163053
No, Fuentes is a retard too
Also, the massive insane corruption that dwarfs any previous administration, the council of sycophantic shitheads he has surrounded himself with that he regularly has praise him on television in a ritual that would make North Korea blush, the army of poorly trained masked goons he insisted he needed to enforce immigration (despite no other president ever needing them) acting like the pathetic thugs they are, flippantly starting a war with Iran with zero plan for the strait of Hormuz, sending the world crashing into an energy shock, the tweets that would embarrass a teenager that we're supposed to just view as normal. He is by far the worst president of my lifetime, and yes I was around for Bush; he might by the end of it take the prize for the single worst president America has ever had. But what's worst about him is no matter how obviously cretinous he is, he mindfucked part of the public to the point that he could fuck their wives and they'd say how it was some awesome 4d chess move and Trump was really on their side

>>25163095
ylt

>>25163098
Yes, the little solace we can take is that his followers, being generally retards themselves, have essentially speedrun the same path wokism took, and are already at the point where they think that anyone who disagrees with them must simply be part of "THE LEFT", making them behave like dancing shit-flinging imbeciles and rapidly alienating everyone who might have once turned right out of disgust for what the left had become
Enjoy it while it lasts, moron; in four years time, you'll be embarrassed to admit you ever voted for the man

>>25163095
Well I for one hope you get cancer

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>>25163105
you dont get it. its not about trump
>>25163095
>sycophantic shitheads he has surrounded himself with that he regularly has praise him on television in a ritual that would make North Korea blush
like 0bummer
>the army of poorly trained masked goons he insisted he needed to enforce immigration (despite no other president ever needing them) acting like the pathetic thugs they are,
you live you lear
>flippantly starting a war with Iran
i mean its disappointing but
>with zero plan for the strait of Hormuz, sending the world crashing into an energy shock,
good

>>25161269
Israel is going to get wiped off the face of the Earth by Iran, and when it happens the entire United States government will collapse. Fukuyama is about to be proven wronger than he could ever have imagined.

>>25162083
When the US government collapses there will be ethnic cleansing in North America that will make the Balkans in the 90s look like a clown show. Spoiler alert: it won't be fun for black people.

AstroTurfed nerd with very nice Stalinist grandparents and an anarchist's cookbook post-9/11 Yale suspect brother that saw zero consequences for inexplicable glow in the dark reasons. Spandrell & Land are of interest, this yenta male already aged like milk.

>>25163451
This is bullshit but the truth is, like you say, Spandrell and Land are good. But Jim is better.
Anyways how can a NRX guy also be a dumb joofer? weird

>>25163121
kys

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>>25161220
I am somewhat skeptical of your political foresight, retardkun.

>>25155527
kek. that's Lucas to you, fart huffer.

>>25163112
mad lmao

>>25162839
>>25162961
They only let Trump be president because Biden fucked up so much and they thought Trump could fix things for Israel

>>25155416
I remember when he was one of the oldie cabal (TINC) in Usenet's talk.bizarre

(there is no cabal)

>>25163121
The cult if personality around Trump is way worse than Obama, I don't understand how people don't find MAGA creepy and cult-like. Look at /pol/ and /ptg/, they literally trip over themselves to defend his Zionism and the war despite claiming to hate Jews.

>>25163095
The way Trump expects everyone around him to fall on their swords and sacrifice themselves while he never takes responsibility for any scandal is narcissistic. What's bizarre is that people keep going his administration only to get thrown under the bus after a year. Are they retarded or what? Did they not learn what happened during his first term? Noem was a perfectly fine governor of South Dakota, now she's the most hated woman in the US, she bogged her face, and cheated on her husband. For what exactly? Now Pete Hegseth is about to be thrown under the bus over Iran. How couldn't he have predicted this would happen?

Trump has no loyalty to his supporters yet demands unconditional loyalty from everyone else.

>>25163974
I think that people get sucked in with the idea of "Well, I'll just kiss Trump's ass, and that will allow me to manipulate him and get what I want done." But Trump understands that constantly forcing someone to kiss your ass eventually corrodes their soul; you come to genuinely believe the things you're saying.

>>25155416
because his ideas are uninteresting and NRx used to be discussed more back in the early-mid 2010s on this board already.

>>25155582
its only delightful if you wish for the world to become chinese as trump is causing a bunch of pointless infighting in the west so that china can just sit back and win without having to lift a finger.

>>25158733
Bingo

>>25161220
Holy shit, an actual complete retard. Very rare outside of /ptg/.

>>25163954
You mean the people who booed him over the vaccine and are criticizing the war? That cult?
This is a shit tier CNN talking point you are dirtying up the board with.

>>25164067
>because his ideas are uninteresting
Ok I guess the previous 150 posters are all just talking about it for no reason then. Now that you've come in and clarified the situation.

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>>25164111
MAGA isn't criticizing the war at all lol, they will happily send their children to die for Israel like good goyim.

>>25164157
Their 42-year-old children?

>>25155416
I like Yarvin, and agree with him on a lot, but my favourite talks are always the ones where he talks with historians and gets basically everything wrong. The perfect distillation of programming nerd outside their field.

>>25163974
>Are they retarded or what?
Yes they're retarded. Look at the people surrounding Trump, they're all completely unqualified and went to shit tier schools. The qualified and highly educated all left for the private sector because they don't want anything to do with this administration.

>>25164182
post examples plz

>>25164111
The biggest fucking delusion you overly-online retards have is that your movement is actually critical of your leader. MAGA is going down sucking his cock to the bitter end.

>>25164111
trips wasted on a boisterous flamboyant faggy boi

>>25163095
>the massive insane corruption that dwarfs any previous administration
This is still mind-boggling to me. Trump's just selling pardons. Give him a few million bucks, direct to his pocket, and he'll write you a pardon. The fucking Wall Street Journal ran a story on it. This alone would forever torpedo literally any other administration, and it isn't even a blip in Trump's broader insanity. And this is just one example of corruption out of hundreds, each one more blatant than the last. How do Trumptards defend this?

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>>25158874
>The governance idea is basically just advanced libertarianism. It sees a problem - the tragedy of the commons - and looks for a solution: making them private property. Econ 101 that libertarians failed to take to this logical conclusion.
Ahem...

>>25164462
It's ok as long as libs are seething o algo.

Disgusting looking bugman

>>25164520
on the bright side, many of these worthless subhumans will finally be thrown into camps and gulags and receive the meaningless deaths they deserve

>>25157022
Africa and South America before democracy were filled with warring tribes that practiced human sacrifice and cannibalism. Obviously shits going to hit the fan when you invite ogres to the gala. These examples don’t show the problems with democracy, rather why you shouldn’t put lipstick on a pig.

>>25164462
Because they literally don't read.
I hate to say it, but Trump is our first Gen X president. I know he's a boomer, but Gen X is the one he appeals to most; regularly Gen X is the one that he polls the highest with. And the reason I hate to say it is because 4chan, despite being more of a millenial thing, always had some gen X in its DNA, too, and in many ways leaned into it. The cynicism, the pessimism, the deliberate offensiveness is all very Gen X.
And the sad thing is that Trump exposed where all that cool edgy cynicism could lead you. What happens when you assume the world is always shit, that everything's out to fuck you over, when performative cynicism becomes a sort of street cred? Well, Trump comes along and agrees with you. He tells you you're right, the world is shit, and he's the only one willing to give it to you straight. So then you start to see him as some sort of folk hero, even as he does stuff a million times worse than any other politician ever did. Because it's all shit, right? Oh, Trump has a personality cult? Well, Obama did too, see, the world was already shit (ignore how Obama's personality cult was nowhere near the level of officially sanctioned sycophancy Trump's was.) Oh, Trump is obviously corrupt? Yeah, well, weren't other politicians corrupt too? It was all already shit (please ignore how much worse it is.)
That's how Trumptards justify it. By being blithely, blindlly cynical and assuming it was all already shit. In reality, no one is saying America was some perfect country before Trump, but it is undeniable how much absurdly worse he is making it. But that doesn't matter to the MAGAtard. In fact, he thinks you're a fool for not assuming this is just more of the same.

>>25155463
>I look like him
essentialism
>I post like him
existentialism

>>25156582
>What do you even get out of posting this shit
because it's not really philosophy if it's theological, is it?
"chosen people" is a theological concept, not a philosophical one; despite Yarvin's attempts to discreetly secularize this exceptionalism.
Jewishness is ontologically theological leading to terrible pseudo-philosophical justifications for its permissiveness (i.e. always giving jews a pass).

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>>25164567
then again if you're a jew, why not push goyim to worship you one way or another?
machiavellian master morality, right?
I think it has something to do with ressentiment/jealously toward people loving Jesus...

>>25164083
>>25163586
>>25161269
>this level of seething
I didn't believe that post was true but I do now
same energy as the morons who were certain Hillary would be "Madame President", delusions made of steel and dragon dildos

>>25161211
>There is zero chance you understand or have read either Moldbug or Peter
>implying these dysgenic jewish faggot pedophiles have anything worth reading
The absolute state of this board

>>25164465
hoppe's theory boils down to the right of secession, everything else is just a consequence of that

>>25165032
Yes

>>25155416
Some leftist political philosophers like judith butler are more practically influential. As in their work has had more time to be seriously considered by powerful people. What even are curtis yarvins effects? He spearheaded the new right sure, but besides that its what? Tariffs? He was the earliest person to waffle about that post 2000 and it didn’t even get implemented in a way he likes.
He’s also not seriously considered as a writer since he hasnt produced any good essays in awhile. So someone like zizek is more interesting.

>>25164600
First of all they do, second of all someone who reads can find value in almost anything. You don't read, I imagine.

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>>25166713
What a good thing you're on here

>>25166463
yarvin has been influential over advisors and allies of donald trump, especially in his second term, his habit of bypassing congress to do whatever he feels like doing definitely draws from nrx theories

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>>25166951
>his habit of bypassing congress to do whatever he feels like doing definitely draws from nrx theories
this is the clearest example of the nrx theory of culture being downstream from law

>>25166463
>he spearheaded the new right
It was Ron Paul who revived opposition to establishment republicans / neocons. Yarvin, NRX, Thiel, Trump were all part of co-opting the insurgent right. Paul launched the tea party and that was quickly taken over by mainstream republicans. His presidential runs in 08 and 12 were considered threatening enough to lead to the establishment pushing Trump in 16 as the approved anti-establishment candidate. Yarvin is a jew and his popularity was boosted by his friends in tech, both facts lead me to believe his dark enlightenment is subversive.

>>25156823
From China? How are these people swinging that, if it were true.

>>25155416
his cathedral theory is pretty stupid.

>>25168695
to elaborate on this, i'm just gonna copypaste something I wrote on /g/ a few days ago:

https://graymirror.substack.com/p/a-brief-explanation-of-the-cathedral
there was an article i was thinking of that rebutes this, but i can't find it. and i dont remember much of it.

I'm not going to tear apart every sentence in his substack post, but the idea of the cathedral is very flawed. Yarvin theorizes a lot of stuff but backs none of it up. For one he doesn't give any examples of how the institutions of the supposed cathedral are on the same page. He fails to address the argument that different groups might have the same ideas in other fields because they're obviously right after bringing it up in regards to math


One of the things he theorizes is that underground ideas will be better than the mainstream and that's clearly not true. He gives the example where dissidents in an oppressive society will be more like to have good ideas than professors in a liberal society. Yarvin says:
>Your intuitive answer is that you’ll get better, more premium content from Mundanan dissidents than Mutopian professors. Let’s look at why you’re right.
And that's clearly bullshit. In the realms of scientific research, there's a lot of research that you can't conduct without funding or expensive machines.

In general in regards to freedom of thought, broader than merely in regards to science, there's nothing preventing oppressive hierarchies from forming or bad ideas spreading inside the dissident groups in mundana.
An example of this is hamas's poorly thought out attack on israel on october 7th. If dissidents were generally better at creating ideas, they wouldn't do something that stupid.

>>25165032
Moldbug's theory is just Hoppe's theory, but he crosses out "covenant community" and writes "monarchy" in its stead.

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>>25168703
>For one he doesn't give any examples of how the institutions of the supposed cathedral are on the same page.

>>25168695
Explain

>>25168703
>I'm not going to tear apart every sentence in his substack post, but the idea of the cathedral is very flawed. Yarvin theorizes a lot of stuff but backs none of it up. For one he doesn't give any examples of how the institutions of the supposed cathedral are on the same page. He fails to address the argument that different groups might have the same ideas in other fields because they're obviously right after bringing it up in regards to math
Are you a fucking liberal? You just think Harvard, the New York Times, CNN, and Hollywood all have the same opinions about everything because it just so happens to be the truth?

>>25168731
What is this need on here to dismiss everything in this way? "This guy's ideas are just [x]'s" (ignoring all the huge differences). I've always thought it was very pretentious and probably just meant to show superiority and that you are familiar with various people's writings. It almost never contributes anything or is even accurate.

>>25169588
>You just think Harvard, the New York Times, CNN, and Hollywood all have the same opinions about everything because it just so happens to be the truth?
Yeah.

>>25168744
Can you explain how this is relevant? And what percent of companies is this?

There's many things that companies have in common. Lots of companies give people weekends off. Lots of companies don't hire criminals. Lots of companies celebrate Christmas. Companies in the USA are willing to hire women who are mothers, married, or pregnant. Companies in the USA respect religious freedom. Companies in the USA donate to republican politicians.

What separates these examples from yours?

>>25169588
>Are you a fucking liberal? You just think Harvard, the New York Times, CNN, and Hollywood all have the same opinions about everything because it just so happens to be the truth?
What opinions do they have that are all the same? Be specific.

There's a lot of disagreement in those groups, about stuff. Even internally. Such as the conflict between Israel and Palestine.

Every Harvard professor does not share the same views. Every opinion article in the NYT does not share the same views.

>>25169900
nta, but if you're honest, which is unlikely, you're too stupid to be bothered with. if not, go fuck yourself.

>>25169884
Found the oversocialized NPC

>>25170027
>expecting leftists to be honest
They pretend not to understand things to make any discourse impossible

>>25170092
Shut up, you stupid cuck.

>>25170104
Cry more

>>25170092
I know, but nowadays you can't expect them to be smart either.

>>25170092
>They pretend not to understand things to make any discourse impossible
The chud does not think, the chud merely misremembers the wording of shitter posts

>>25170454
Libtards have much bigger case of group think than right wingers

>>25170463
>another misremembered shitter post
Truth is one and error many, libtard thought divergence is "I think this is the optimal tax structure to fund public transit vs I disagree, it's better if we structure taxes this way," right-wing thought divergence is "the earth is 4.5 billion years old vs NUH UH JOO LIE JOO LIE IT'S 6,000 YEARS OLD JOO JOO JOO"

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>>25155416
>the most influential political philosopher of our time

>>25170480
Holy strawman

>>25170027
>nta, but if you're honest, which is unlikely, you're too stupid to be bothered with. if not, go fuck yourself.
No, you're just incapable of answering the question.
If only an idiot could fail to understand it, then you should be able to explain it.

If you can't, then doesn't that make you an idiot as well, by your own standard?

>>25170594
OK so you're just dishonest I get it

>>25156570
>the guy who believes all political power should be given to billionaires and taken away from everyone else went "mask off" for being other than hostile to the billionaire class

>>25156869
European monarchies were mostly anti serfdom because the nobles were their constant political antagonists and the nobles depended on serfs. A notable exception was Russia when Peter the Great established serfdom

>>25155416
>he calls himself Moldbug
>and he looks like that
>like THAT
>and people listen to him

Hahahahaha

>>25169884
>>25169917
I cannot talk to someone this deranged.
How about every single thing since, oh, 2020? Covid? George Floyd? Russia? All managed to have the exact same, insane, narratives on every single topic and change at the same time?
Forget it, don't respond please. I have no interest.

>>25170480
Why would you even bother typing up and solving a captcha to write this

>>25170670
What is the opinion they hold and what is wrong with it?

>>25170606
The answer is that I’m right and you can’t explain the difference. Not even between a single of those examples.

>>25169589
>What is this need on here to dismiss everything in this way?
The raison d'etre of Moldbug's theory is to solve the "problem of order" within libertarianism. His solution is to plagiarize Hoppe and pretend that it's his own innovation. In effect dismissing the ideas of libertarianism with this non-existent "problem" while stealthily sneaking in the libertarian solution by dressing it up as monarchism.
>(ignoring all the huge differences)
The only differences between Hoppe and Moldbug is Moldbug's inconsistencies.

>>25171241
>>25171244
Your gaslighting is truly pathetic

>>25155416
Why not just read Edmund Burke, de Maistre or what have you? Even Plato? Isn't this guy just those guys but repackaged? Why waste time on an internet grifter when the original texts exist?

>>25170594
I'm >>25170027, and I now have time to waste. So let's make this interesting. Tell me the reasoning errors you've made in >>25170594, both to prove you're not a complete mouth-breathing moron and to show you have a sliver of honesty in you. In return, I will give you an answer to your question. Take your time, and re-read the posts until you're confident that you understand them.

>>25166713
you have to go back

>>25171917
Cry more, jew bitch

>>25161269
im indian and yes sir this is very true

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>>25169900
>>25168703
your bad faith arguments reminds me of this tweet

>>25171920
im indian and yes sirs epstein is so bad

>>25163954
>this is like... le cult...
why redditors repeat this so much?

>>25171934
Most literate Jewbug and Jewthiel supporter

>>25171948
no sirs i hate thiel here in india has so much capitalism and us trash collector get exploited sirs we have to destroy epstein class and put communism sirs

>>25171644
The answer is that you can't explain the difference.
You can't even try for 1 of them. What's wrong with the narrative on Russia?

>>25171845
They are the same reasoning errors you made. One of the points was to illustrate the flaws in your response.

>>25171933
I'm not arguing in bad faith. You are arguing in bad faith because You can't even respond to the argument with a rebutal. Instead you are solely accusing me of things.

Mere ad hominem.

>>25172081
Your tactic of pretending you don't understand basic things doesn't work here

>>25172108
Have you considered you’re profoundly retarded and just hardly sentient enough to have a conversation?

>>25172115
Projection doesn't work either