>yes, I know I have no discernible talent as a poet, but my cousin just died :'(
Why do brown women only write about how sad they are to be brown women? Serious question.
>>25155590>FUCK poetry because it does NOTHING to stop the IDF>Here's a poem I wrote about that yes this is activismChrist, I hate this kind of poetry so fucking much. I agree with the poet (death to the IDF) and all that, but do poets really think that their work foments social change? Like seriously? If you're an American poet writing today, your audience is -- very generously -- 5,000 people. And most of those people have graduate degrees. And the vast majority of them already agree with whatever political take you're so "bravely" singing about. Like what is the idea here, that people who attend AWP will read this poem and go "by god, I didn't realize that writing nature poetry does nothing to stop the war in Gaza! wowza"? Gotta love a poet's total and utter delusion
>>25155596serious answer that you don't want to hear: it sucks to be a brown woman most of the time and much art comes from pain
>>25155590LOL
>>25155607>it sucks to be a brown woman most of the timeno it doesnt. this is an american. theyre given free food, free healthcare, free jobs, free scam money from the government, and are pandered to endlessly, just for being brown
>>25155671Like I said, you didn't want to hear it
>>25155590Palestinian men need to get a handle on their women. I hate Israel and support a free Palestine, but it's hard sometimes.
>>25155602> Do grifters believe they're making a differenceYes
>>25155695Yesh Jewish women are the treasure
>>25155590The truly insufferable thing about this poem is that she's not actually some brave, courageous rebel, because poems EXACTLY LIKE THIS get published all the time in major journals like Rattle, the New Yorker, the Paris Review, and so on. Poems written by talentless hacks who only get published because they're women or some non-white race or because they're faggots. There's nothing unusual about a poem like this getting published these days, her outrage is performative and fake. It's all fake. It's fake and gay.
>>25155590If I wrote a poem exactly like this but about Israel being threatened with erasure, it would not get published, indicating the cultural institutional preference for the Palestinian cause. You guys won't like hearing it, but Zionism is the new punk.
>>25155622(from the odor)
>>25155755> indicating the cultural institutional preferenceThe world that showers Israel with gibs and weapons so they can say 'tut tut' to genocide and do nothing has a preference for Palestinians you say? The world that's currently instituting super special speech restrictions that only apply to jews? The US is currently in an entire war having already pissed away hundreds of millions because Israel told them to do it. What actions can the Pally cause muster exactly? Smelly lefties with a sign? Gee thanks Chaim, we've won the cultural war.
>>25155683you didnt give a serious answer, though
>>25155785I gave you the answer, you got upset like I said you would and started rambling about things people on /pol/ and shitter told you were true, not sure what else you want. I'll just repeat what I said and you'll sperg out again, although this time you might start slobbering about trannies or something
The real reason brown women write about how much it sucks to be a brown woman is an incentive structure created by guilty liberal whites that helps them build careers by it.
By way of comparison, here is James Merrill describing a scene involving flowers and the memory of a dead person:>Another April>The panes flash, tremble with your ghostly passage>Through them, an x-ray sheerness billowing, and I have risen>But cannot speak, remembering only that one was meant>To rise and not to speak. Young storm, this house is yours.>Let our eye darken, your rain come, the candle reeling>Deep in what still reflects control itself and me.>Daybreak's great gray rust-veined irises humble and proud>Along your path will have laid their foreheads in the dust. Who did it better, /lit/?
>>25155735New Yorker would absolutely never publish anything within a hundred miles of critical of Israel, otherwise yes
>>25155755Zionism owns all three branches of government and every three-letter agency and and the police and the military and is supported by Wall St
>>25155809why do you write and think like a community college social justice warrior?
>>25155908Shelley did it better.>Where wert thou, mighty Mother, when he lay,>When thy Son lay, pierc'd by the shaft which flies>In darkness? where was lorn Urania>When Adonais died? With veiled eyes,>'Mid listening Echoes, in her Paradise>She sate, while one, with soft enamour'd breath,>Rekindled all the fading melodies,>With which, like flowers that mock the corse beneath,>He had adorn'd and hid the coming bulk of Death.
>>25155918because it was a nazi like zeitgeist for 10+ years during the formative years of anyone of age these days in that sphere of influenceand none of them have the humble humanity to say out loud that they acted poorly and immaturely for fear of ostracization at the hands of their angry brainwashed crew of culture addicts
>>25155596>>25155607>>25155671They're really just mad they're not pretty and white. That's the real oppression, and that's why no "remedy" ever actually satisfies. It can't ever make them whitez pretty, and furthermore thin and 17.
>>25155945Pretty much the case. Don't you think it's funny how basically the entire world's population of people who are upset for petty reasons do everything they can to spook everyone into thinking there is something generationally horrible going on. And then of course, something generationally horrible happens because of it.
>>25155590poop, a poem by brown shitcunt (not capitalised on purpose like bell hooks)pooppoop from a butdeath to all zionistsfuck whiteyicannot rhymeorkeep up a consistent meter and i alsobreak up sentences in the middlebecausei'ma pretentious cunt
>>25155590Isn't it good to be turned into a daisy? This dumb POC is making the case for Israel . . . Why? -- Because we aren't allowed to criticize their craft.
>>25155695The Holy Land is just better when White Europeans run it. This was true for the Crusader kingdoms and it was true when the British and the French ran it starting in the 19th Century, too. Reject both brown people and Jews and embrace the truly correct option.
>>25155945I've seen a lot of pretty girls act this way too. For women, they can never be satisfied with their position in life. Look at Michelle Obama (an ugly woman but has everything in the world). She still resents Barack, feels like she can do better, feel that she is a victim of racism, misogyny, whatever. That's why you also see movie starlets with anorexia. They're constantly striving, always feeling themselves victim, can never be happy.
>>25156111i do not envy women, being womenit seems difficult to escape the troubles they haveand how they cannot find true ease
>>25156111No wonder the suicide rats in women is growing annually, more women are killing themselves now than men. >>25155809Are you a brown woman or just a supreme faggot? You know how fallacious your silly answer was, switcher you’re baiting or delusional.>>25155590Has anyone told her that’s not what poetry is?
>>25155971Powerful, stunning and brave
>when you write poetry never having read a single troubadour1 flower by Zukofsky > the entirety of brown women on planet earth
>>25155590she sounds like she thinks of herself more as a journalist than a poet. she should consider a change of career.
>>25156038They still do run it. Any leader who isn't a vassal of Whites/Jews (crusaders invented banking, they're proto Jews) is deposed and his country destablized
>>25155671I think that's a big part of what sucks about it.
>>25155590>No Hindieven palestinians are fed up with indians
>>25155590I guess you shouldn't have done October 6th then, huh?
>>25155590Aww, that’s cute, it’s angry. You’ll be dead soon so you can do all the haunting you like you fucking retard.
>>25155590Muslims literally worship a moon deity.
>>25155777>What actions can the Pally cause muster exactly? It seems you have forgotten.
>>25158421
>>25155590This person sounds really angry and radicalized. Let's bring em into our country!
>>25155590>before becoming daisies.Lmao sounds like they turn gay
>>25155918>>25156346my answer was sincere and as predicted you (plural now) are upset about it and as predicted you (plural now) are saying buzzword buzzword buzzword >>25155817there's truth to this, not as much truth as this post implies but this is more right than wrong
>>25155590I'm ESL. When I read English poetry at school we were taught that poetry requires rhyming, otherwise it's just very stylized prose. Then I see this stuff or pic rel and this is still referred to as poetry?At what point did the definition change? And why?
>>25159417>When I read English poetry at school we were taught that poetry requires rhyming, otherwise it's just very stylized prose.That's not true at all. English poetry, like all European poetry, traditionally requires metre to be considered poetry. Blank verse (meaning non-rhymed verse) has been used in English since Henry Howard, and most famously by Shakespeare and Milton. What country are you from?
>>25155607But it's never art, just shitty poems and books.
>>25159417>poetry requires rhymingwhen a prosetard says something so freeversephobic you gotta hit em with that good grey stare
>>25159433One of the Central Asian post-Soviet shitholes.
>>25159417Poetry in 2026 = prose but you hit the enter key when the line gets too long.
>>25155590>I wish Jessica would stop texting me Happy Ramadanlmao>>25159789Rupi Kaur and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race
>>25156038I prefer when Hadrian ran it
>>25159417PEAK libtard poetry. Belongs in a museum
>>25158419"Allah" is literally just Arabic for "God", it's the same word that Arabic-speaking Christians and Jews use for Him.
>>25159927The modern hegemony of free verse far predates Rupi Kaur.
>>25161344Shut up, dune coon.
>>25161359I'm Irish-American.
>>25159412>my answer was sincereI have no doubt you're sincerely stupid
>>25161374Shut up... Tater... 'Ate'r
>>25156111>women are sociopathic narcissistschecks out
>>25159417is picrel real? from where?
>>25161523https://www.instagram.com/p/C4Lhjp7OmC_/As far as I can tell, it is not a parody, this is really something people consider to be "poetry".
>>25161374Usually that means you’re like 3% Irish, given how many Americans love to say that they’re Irish. Forgive me if I’m wrong. I hate the Irish and that’s bad for me because I’m 50% Irish, 25% Anglo and 25% danish.
>>25159417genuinely don't know how people like this will live in 10-20 years
>>25155590The worst part is, she knows she’s simply just shitting all over the art form. No respect these dune coons have. Why even line break if you know your poem isn’t technically a poem, stupid cunt I hope dies soon.
>>25161733 I'm not american but this person says that their student loan payments are starting again so it seems like they're in their early 20s.Assuming I'm right about that - I was also an anxious nervous wreck in my early 20s. Sure, my anxieties didn't have anything to do with politics or "state of the world" or whatever, more with not being able to find a job or lose weight or something like that. I was also smart enough not to broadcast my anxieties to the whole internet under my real name. But by 24 or 25, I took my first serious lumps and learned to live with them, found my first serious job - basically, I adjusted. I'm 28 now and I'm a lot calmer and more stable. I think people like the author of that "poem" and those who are very impressed with them will find their way to some sort of inner peace too, eventually.
>>25161753Im 30 and still have anxieties, yet, that’s simply because I worry about suffering psychosis again.
>>25161753that guy is clearly in his 30s and that specific form of liberal doomerism is far more common in millennials
People do live their entire lives resented they aren't white, don't they. It's sad.
>>25161721I don't know precise blood quanta, at least half I believe, but I don't primarily mean in terms of only genes but also continuous ethnic self-identification; that is to say, I didn't just decide I was Irish one day because a DNA test said so, I do because my father does, because his father did, because his parents did, because their parents did, because they were actually from Ireland.
>>25161967Whites have only a small taste of what it feels like being Jewish.
>>25155596Tbf I'd hate to wake up brown one day. Imagine being brown when white (Europeans) exist. Now imagine you live in their countries and take advantage of everything they've ever invented and are still given the same rights as them. It would cause anyone, let alone the weak willed browns that flock to western nations to leech economically off taxpayers, to have a massive inferiority complex which in-turn would cause them to have a massive chip on their shoulders. Just be grateful you're white (which 70% of this site cannot relate to).
>>25162459No doubt.
>>25159417It seems like many if not most people are genuinely incapable of independent thought. Urban transplants seem to just grab the closest available political and cultural trends and fashion themselves to fit them imperceptibly. And without even realizing that it happened, they start feeling quite passionately about these things that kind of just clung to them through exposure. It's amazing to watch, but then you remember they vote and use resources and make decisions and stuff then get sad.
Reminder these retards are some of the most inbred people in the world
>>25162534You mean the anons on this board? Yeah every day supplies fresh evidence of that.
>>25162539The anons here and the Palestinians
>>25156346>more women are killing themselves now than men. Source?I could use some good news
>>25161714grim. just replace humans with AI already
Why would you write poetry if you hold the art of poetry in complete contempt? Is it because you like the label of "poet" more than poetry itself?
>>25155590To its credit, it’s better than most poems that are similarly preachy.
>>25161751It technically is a poem despite it asserting that it isn’t. It shits on the concept of metaphor and symbolism and then proceeds to use them anyway. It’s almost as if the author was subconsciously aware the poem would have no punch without some kind of literary flourish.>>25161789Millennials are a Peter Pan generation that never grew up, and thus weren’t equipped to handle adulthood.This also explains why they’ve proven to be terrible parents to Gen Alpha — arguably even worse parents than the Boomers were to them.
I am quite honestly amazed, every line was more retarded than the one before it, the brown crescendo I would call it
I am firmly convinced that if Israel didn't exist, Palestinians would instead be genocided by the rest of the Arab world for being insufferable.
>>25155755It's kind of difficult to argue for that because if you actually tried doing that in Jewish Zionist circles or Israel directly you would easily find support. There is no lack of funds for those willing to create propaganda, the cause does not even matter.
>>25163925>Millennials are a Peter Pan generation that never grew up, and thus weren’t equipped to handle adulthood.Also why they won’t shut up about the 90s. Many boards here has them acting rather superior about the fact that they played on a Nintendo 64 or something. The 90s was pretty fucking miserable for some of us, my life was in shambles. The culture of rave got many all fucked on drugs that caused permanent brain damage. I tried it myself once… I won’t go on.
>>25155925Shelly is such a fucking blowhard. He would be the worst of the romantics if Wordsworth wasn't the worst poet of all time.
>>25168352>wordplaypleb still seething
>>25163925>Millennials are a Peter Pan generation that never grew up, and thus weren’t equipped to handle adulthood.this is a vastly overstated point because of the outsized loser presence online (and especially on reddit)most millennials I know own or are buying property, have careers that are progressing, travel regularly and just in general are hitting the normal adult milestonesdon't let doomers convince you being a fuck up is normal
>>25168406I'll never stop fighting against wordsworth. The worst turns in poetry are his fault and the fault of the legions of retarded academic grifters who make a living off of tricking people into thinking hes good.
>>25163925>Millennials are a Peter Pan generation that never grew upThis is wordsworth's fault as well
>>25168434>Wordsworth's reputation is kept alive by academics>and totally not my inaccessible pseudslop that no normal person can derive any enjoyment from unless they're taught that they shouldMakes sense
>>25168442>T. Wordsworth industry shill
>>25168444>worldview crumbles under the slightest scrutiny>immediately resorts to deflectingClassic
>>25168454Then please give me some stellar lines by England's great romantic poet. I can't seem to find any good ones.
>>25155602> but do poets really think that their work foments social change? Like seriously? If you're an American poet writing today, your audience is -- very generously -- 5,000 peopleBig fish in a small pond. It’s the same mentality that keeps some fat jobless loser active moderating his 100 subreddits or being a janny on 4chan. Or hell, take any countless real world examples. The HOA mafia ruled by two retired Karens who need to greenlight the proper shades you can paint your house (no, that shade is slightly off sweaty), the king of the McDojo roughing up 15 year old students because he can play the big man. Your coworker who takes it upon themselves to be the HR eyes and ears. Your friend who thinks they’re hot shit and an influencer because they have 10k followers (99% jeets looking at her tits). The big redeeming part of 4chan is that (aside from 5 retarded namefags) it’s not even possible to build that online identity and try to police your little shitty thread. It’s just gone to the ether and you don’t get your post karma and little 4 year badge. All the faggotry that killed forums.
>>25168444trips of truth checked also wordsworth industry shill lmfao
>>25168487>The Child is Father of the man>And now I see with eye serene>The very pulse of the machine;>Float double, swan and shadowWho do you consider "good?" (Even though I can already assume with some accuracy)
Don't get me wrong, I am opposed to Zionism and believe that the Jews are ethinically cleansing the Palestinians but that poem is absolute rubbish.
>>25169029I think J.V. Cunningham is good. I like Thomas Hardy and George Crabbe too.
>>25155590my condolences
>>25155755Kekked and checked
>>25155590Good, hope she dies next
