Most of us agree that Nick Land is the last philosopher who is/will be in the western canon, at least in our lifetime. Maybe Curtis Yavin too but Land actually has books that will be taught in college.So now that NRx/techno-feudalism is the only way out for western civilization, what are the implications for literature in general? Is authenticity impossible without using some degree of AI?
why groypers obsessed with nick land because he defends jews?i mean he isnt the first philosopher to do that, neetche was a big jew guy
>>25157177Nietzsche was a bigger Muslim guy
>>25157159Twitter tourists like OP should check the catalog before making duplicate threads about their favorite ecelebs
>>25157159>> but Land actually has books that will be taught in college.I’m not super in to Land but isn’t he just standard Deleuze/ Guatarri stuff that everyone was doing in the 90s? He’s not really notable as a student of Deleuze. Only his politics and ‘capital is sentient’ really make him stand out.
>>25157213Eh, the cybernetic stuff isnt bad, and his prose is evocative. It feels like it all means something, and the language of neuromancer gives it this quasi-mythic feel, like something prophetic. Which ironically mirrors his analysis of Trakl. Will he be taught? Maybe, most philosophers arent so it doesnt really matter.
>>25157177>because he defends Not Land but Thiel's ghost writing team.
>>25157159>breeds an asianweird ethno-semitic naitonalist desu
>>25157246No, he didn’t. His wife is Jewish but they live in China. You don’t even know basic stuff about Nick Land. His wife is part of the “tribe” which is why he is pro-Israel probably.
>>25157329>His wife is Jewish but they live in China.Would explain some, but I doubt this. How did they get residency permits in China? proof shes jewish or your full of shit gay and lying.
>>25157159I don't agree with that at all
>>25157339He’s a professor at university Shanghai iirc
>>25157159>Land actually has books that will be taught in collegeLMAO
>>25157421Nick Fuentes will be completely forgotten even before he's dead
>>25157159okay I'm hard left now. All hail Stalin. He knew what was up.
>>25157928I'm sure that's true, but unrelated to my post you're replying to. Show me a syllabus in the word with Nick Land on it, and I'll show you a class with a 100% drop rate
People like Land and also Richard Hanania are philosemites to the extent they view Jews as overrepresented among the cognitive elite to which they feel they belong. They view anyone with a below 115 IQ as basically cattle worth ruling over or just eliminating altogether.The hilarious irony is that Jews obviously don't feel the same way. A goy is a goy regardless of whether they're an 80 IQ jogger or a 130 IQ WASP. They support their Jewish brethren irrespective of intelligence, hence why Zionists don't distinguish between high IQ Ashkenazim and low IQ Mizrahim. The upshot is that people like Land and Hanania end up acting as stooges for an ethnic group that in the aggregate views them as subhuman. And three or four generations later, their progeny are just going to be downwardly mobile white people raped and abused in their own country while Jews continue to have a healthy ethnostate
>>25158224Ashkenazi have something like 3 IQ points extra on average with Israel scoring an average IQ similar to India. I don't know why philosemites are wilfully blind to Jewish nepotism in academia
>>25158242European Jew IQ average is 115 which is highest for any group on earth. Mizrahi and the others are like 80 to 90 I believe which brings it all down. Also contrary to what that dude posted it’s not true all Jews like each other. European Jews in Israel consider themselves better than Mizrahi and native Jews. See old film Sallah Shabbati.
>>25158252>European Jew IQ average is 115Hahahaha no
>>25158252>European Jews in Israel consider themselves better than Mizrahi and native JewsThese distinctions aren't really important in modern Israel
>>25157339>wifeAnna Greenspan??
>>25158358actually he is lucky yo
>>25157159I may disagree with a lot of his philosophy but Ligotti is a philosopher I take far more seriously than Land, and is more likely to end up in the philosophical canon.
>>25158224>People like Land and also Richard Hanania are philosemites to the extent they view Jews as overrepresented among the cognitive elite to which they feel they belong. They view anyone with a below 115 IQ as basically cattle worth ruling over or just eliminating altogether.Why hasn't a philosophy come around to push back on that, just like with 3rd wave feminism, except for philosemites like BAP?Whats the holdup? I'm mean I'm trying my hardest but I seems I have to get the credentials to even be taken seriously. One of the reasons I think higher education is a useless racket. Unironic homeschooling should become the norm.
>>25158224looks like his son and other kids are jews through their mom so that really explains it all for me
>>25157159It's insane how much he crashed out. He used to be interesting back in the 90s but now he's just your standard neocon. He hasn't really said anything interesting in decades, and by his own self-admission no longer has any interest in D&G and cybernetics, claiming that the "ship has sailed"
>>25157159>a 50+yr old geezer talking about "groypers"
>>25158410Probably because every philosophy that pushes back on it doesn't manage to avoid the gravity of anti-semitism, which attracts genuine conspiracy-addled retards and immediately repulses anyone of merit
>>2515836210/10 in bongland
>>25158410There has.>>25158464In the 30+ generation this is basically true, but among white nationalist zoomers there are plenty of well-read non-conspiratorial anti-semites. Fuentes is the leading one but also for example Keith Woods
>>25158224funny. nick land has an iq of maybe 100
>>25158358>>25158362Thank you. I was thinking it was ‘Greebaum’ for the longest time and searches for Nick lands wife turned up nothing on Google. I knew one of them had a teaching position and that’s why they’re in Shanghai
he's not at all wrong, most ethnonationalists are broadly centrist if not centre left once you remove the race element
>>25158782Zionism is ethno-nationalism
>>25158790zionists aren't particularly right wing outside of the race element too
>>25158795I don't even know what that has to do with what my point is. If ethno nationalism is leftist and clownish and should be opposed by the right, that would include strongly opposing Zionism and Jewish nepotism
>>25158440Well, Neuromancer was wrong. Probably why you shouldn't read genre fiction nor premise philosophical ideas on it.
>>25158801when I said 'ethnonationalists' I am referring to what Land is referring to in the OP, which is the plurality of movements happening in the westI was clearly not referring to zionist jews as this thread is not about them
>>25158362Very Landian
>>25158810Jews in the west are mostly Zionist and the JQ is specifically about a conflict of loyalties and ethnic nepotism
>>25158823are you being willfully obtuse?the point Land is making is that nativist white movements across the US and Europe are not particularly right wing outside of the racism, which is trueI don't know what part of this is confusing you and why you keep bringing up zionism
>>25158835The nativist movements across America and Europe are overwhelmingly pro Jew and pro Israel, in fact they are more intensely so than any other political element in the west, so he would have to be one stupid boomer to be calling them out by referencing the JQ
>>25158854>The nativist movements across America and Europe are overwhelmingly pro Jew and pro Israelno they're not lolthe Republicans and Reform are not nativist
>>25158856Republicans include most American nativists who aren't terminally online. Every Nativist party in Continental Europe is extremely Zionist except in Greece.
>>25157159>Most of us agree that Nick Land is the last philosopher who is/will be in the western canon, at least in our lifetime.Anon nobody has agreed on that and that probably won’t be the case. I could think of many thinkers that future people would probably consider important. at least Ken Wilber will/should also be on the list. >Land actually has books that will be taught in college.That won’t happen at all of the wests gets conquered by communists and other civilizations. The only people outside of the west who would give a shit enough about land to preserve and teach his works for centuries would be a few elite or dissident schizo-autists. The equivalent of the texts from the Greeks and Roman’s only surviving in Byzantine and Islamic archives until the westerners got a hold of them. >So now that NRx/techno-feudalism is the only way out for western civilization, what are the implications for literature in general? Is authenticity impossible without using some degree of AI?It means production of literature and art will collapse back to being something that exists largely only if it is funded or otherwise protected or sanctioned by the aristocracy. Baring some underground groups of schizo-autist esoteric types. So basically how it was for most of western history. And of course “authenticity” is possible without ai. It would rapidly expand if the left loses and die completely if it wins.
>>25158866parties are not fully representative of their votersalmost every right winger under 50 is anti israel
>>25158866most people below age 40 are terminally online. you didn't know this?
>>25158871Yes. I also know the right-wing's bread-and-butter is people over 40 and without that base they would get gaped by the left
>>25158868BRVTAL moggingtake a break lil bro
>>25158869According to Nick Land, being concerned about Jewish influence in the government is clownish and excludes you from being on the right
Neither Land nor anyone else mentioned in this thread is really “relevant”, they’re as obscure as it gets outside certain circlejerks. The last publically relevant philosophers were the postmodernists, whose ehm wonderful ideas dominate academia and social media to this day.
>>25158882yes because what constitutes left and right is ever changing
>>25158878So what, I’m not supposed to care about the ideas of people who are of low status and popularity according so some metric constructed by a large and increasingly corrupt company which just measures how many searches there have been of a particular search query in different regions? Do you think that intelligent and powerful people across time and space in the future will operate off of such a childish understanding of reality to a degree which does not deviate significantly enough from the point you are seemingly implying as to render it moot? That such people somehow have no particularly significant capacity to actually investigate the veracity and utility of the ideas of important past thinkers, even if they may not be popular with normies?
>>25158902I didn't actually read your first post or this one either man
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>>25157228Fuentes is so obviously a leftist operative. He pretty much ONLY attacks right wingers. That's all he ever does, all day long. Most of his energy is spent trying to break off the young right from Trump. But he also works a lot on JD Vance and making Peter Thiel into the bogeyman.He is just such a piece of shit it's unbelievable that people like him. Just watching him on mute you can hear the smirk and tell that he's lying. He sometimes gets this look on his face like 'are they buying it...?' Just so slimy.
>>25158933> ONLY attacks right wingers. That's all he ever does, all day longFrom the viewpoint of not being right wing enough or “correctly”. It’s an inter faction dispute.
>>25158886A thinkers relevance is not really measured by their fame. Does Noam Chomsky have any actual "relevance"? Guys like Land helped birth the new right. Which is pretty damn relevant.
>>25158933>Fuentes is a leftist operative because he doesn't suck Israeli cockhow did a 71 year old find /lit/
>>25158937Yes, always from a right wing perspective. But so what? The intent is the same. Maybe he is not a leftist, but his goal is to attack the right.
>>25158362>>25158358why is having some kinship with jews mind poison where christians will completely abandon their society to become the biggest jew cucks?And Im shocked NYU has not terminated her for her relation to Nick Land.
>>25158943the right will never make any meaningful positive change until every ZOG agent is purged
>>25158958ZOG is the right you moron kek.Since at least the 90s ZOG is the living mantra of the republican party in every aspect of their being.
>>25157159If Nihilistic Acceleration is your God, then the West is proper fucked.
>>25158962Nick Land is an evangelical apocalypto of a different aesthetic: instead of Zionism, it's Techno-capital that will bring about his desired Eschaton.
>>25158961yeah and they've lost over and over and over since the end of WW2that's the whole point retard
Nick Land is what happens when the edgy kid does meth and writes novels instead of shooting up his school. Evola is more coherent. EVOLA. The man who can't agree on his own definitions from work to work.
>>25158966Tech bros heavily, HEAVILY overlap with Zionism because they believe a total surveillance state is the only way to completely end antisemitism forever
No matter how interesting or entertaining a Jew is, they're still always a Jew first. Didn't people uncover how BAP worked with Bari Weiss to dox and harass Palestinian protesters at American colleges?
>>25159068ironically that techno surveillance state is the secular replacement for mankind wanting to be seen/judged by God.jews want to be loved by goyim the way they love Christ; so they will put them in a jewish snow globe/panopticon and shake them up.it's like micro-gnosticism: they want to put us in their simulation of reality where they are the demiurges/"gods"; they want to turn their rulership into gnosis, a mystery cult (rather than noticing it for what it is and being called a "antisemite" for peeling the curtain too early).
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>>25159302Oh no! Anyway
>>25159415basically, when people said 15 years ago that bap was a faggot, they didnt go far enough and should of been saying faggot kike
>>25159415>2024Its insane how unpopular Israel became in just 2 years. Even normies are talking about Epstein being associated with Mossad and Israel murdering Charlie Kirk and Thomas Massie's wife. Tucker Carlson being arrested might finally be the straw that breaks the camels back with boomers.
>>25158914Smartest Landian
>>25159302This never happened, and BAP was baptized as a catholic
>>25157159I wrote the canon interpretation for "teleoplexy" in a reddit comment in 2023 btw. This is now taught in seminars and stuff. I never read fanged noumena or anything.
>>25159711quick explanation?
>>25159719Used to describe the process where capitalism went from object to subject but can also be used to describe individual commodities, social processes, etc
So when is the singularity happening Nick? Do we need to keep pumping those AI stocks?
>>25159745thanks! im going in the opposite direction
>>25157159>>25157246>>25157329>>25157339>>25158224>>25158242>>25158268>>25158410>>25158415dah jooooooz
>>25157159>Most of us agree that Nick Land is the last philosopher who is/will be in the western canon,
>>25159805apparently his wife and children are
>>25159766[[ ]] The story goes like this: a frontier non-profit AI lab stumbles upon a novel architecture for a text-completion algorithm that seem to display some unexpected emergent capabilities in reasoning. A 10x scale up and user-facing harness creates a product capable of automating 5% of knowledge work, sparking a wave of infrastructure investment rivaling the dot com boom. Reinforcement learning leads to versions of these models capable of autonomously performing a number of research and engineering tasks, further accelerating frontier lab progress. Improvement bottlenecks are broken in a year, then 6 months, then weeks. A lab cracks continual learning and is immediately nationalized by its host government.
>>25159641>should of
>>25158224Yeah, they believe in the whole “Elite Human Capital” which views humans fundamentally as problem solving machines geared toward societal and market incentives. If you can’t operate optimally in a technologically advanced society, doing knowledge work, then they view you at best as a nuisance and at worst as a threat to the current order. Conveniently, elitism is defined in their worldview as the exact archetype of themselves. The idea is totally reliant upon the societal structure in which it inhabits. Can these self-professed elites maintain a homestead or farm, can they construct a cabinet or bookcase, and if not, can they be conceived as elite in totality? Certainly, society would concurrently agree that the elites in that case would be the farmers and carpenters who actually can maintain and grow crops on the land, or build some piece of furniture. Alls to say, Hanania and Land are only “elite” if the society they exist within universally affirms and appreciates them. Since they don’t, it can be asserted that they self-identify as elite with little evidence, other than contextualized social status in their social networks to gain a sense of self-satisfaction. Elites are universally recognized by there peers and colleagues, these individuals are snickered at by their peers and shunned from respectable circles.
>>25159936I would agree with them except they don't seem to realize that capitalism is incentivized to keep people as homogenous, bland and lacking in critical thought as possible, because those are optimal consumers. Farming and furniture production is mostly done on a massive scale and can be largely automated except for the brains, unless you mean artisan food and furniture. Being a mechanic doesn't require special qualities but engineering Ferraris does
Clavicular is the promised philosopher king and rightful heir to Hegel
>>25158956This only happens with Protestants, timmy.
Isn't Hanania's family Palestinian Christian? Why the hell is he so Zionist despite the fact that Israelis oppress Christians almost as much as Muslims? Justin Amash's Palestinian family was killed in an Israeli strike and they constantly bomb historic Christian churches.j
>>25160009There are always collaborators. Israel pays ISIS Palestinians in Gaza to loot from civilians and kill Hamas, and the Palestinian Authority's (the only Palestinian government the west will recognize or accept as democratic despite not holding the vote) police in the west bank exclusively arrests Palestinians for resisting Israeli settlers
>>25159979Yeah it’s definitely a conundrum for them. Especially when considering that the capitalists markets and globalized economy has put them in a position of power, which, is predicated upon the people deemed inferior by themselves and worthy of being gotten rid off. Sure, you can create an army of robots automated to do the tasks originally done by the workers, hence controlling the means of production, but then whom will be the consumers? If no one is relating to the market as a consumer, and you don’t have the masses clamoring for what you’re selling, than your control of the levers of power in the economic system is next to useless for creating a subservient populace agreeable to your ends.
>>25157159Land and Fisher. I hate knowing that everything about CCRU will not be taught
>>25160075The idea is UBI. Consumers to be a class unto themselves. But that isn't sustainable
