I once argue long time ago with moron who comment on science fictions, who claimed worlds imagined by Star Wars and Dune were “betrayals” of science fiction as a genre because reactionary. Science fiction future is supposed to be rid of any mythic, aristocratic or monarchic or heroic even archetypes, except maybe to show them in limited or distorted form as antagonists. His alternative was Star Trek which for some reason he insisted depicted a “diamond-shaped society” as opposed to the “pyramid-shaped” “traditional” one depicted in those corruptions of the Reddit promise of science fiction utopia. He wanted to see a future rationalist, egalitarian, ethical, and scientific. It’s useful to think about some images of utopia and dystopia from imagination modern man.You consider a few observation on science fictions: in movie Interstellar there is a communitarian soft tyranny of women; teacher decides course of life in service to community—female permission and approval for path of life is said to be necessary to survival. Man’s historical desires for space travel and out-reaching technological progress are rewritten as vicious and as cause of crisis. Life becomes mere survival and therefore falls into the spiritual clutch of women, community, and administrative consensus behavior. Faced with slow-moving extinction crisis, mankind cowers in defensive coil: the behavior of another man faced with mere survival, of a Crusoe, who is his own island and reason, who transcends and conquers a much starker condition of mere survival, this image becomes alien and hated. Man’s Faustian and aristocratic aloneness and longing for space, in this case literal space travel, is deemed immoral and in conflict with social existence and community demand: “we need you here as agriculture scientists, extending this bare existence by a little bit. We are a society. No man is an island.” And they might add—and no man has the right to tame an island by himself.
An equivalent dystopia is in episode of Star Trek Next Generation where Captain Picard is stranded on planet with a village ruled by matriarchal society that has abandoned technology—but maybe not really abandoned it. It has kept enough to allow for relatively comfortable agricultural life under rule of a woman, without war or its needs. Enough technology existed at the time of spacecraft crash to preserve it in stasis under the unnatural rule of woman: this has always been one of my biggest concerns about all so-called “traditionalist” and communitarian solutions to modern dissatisfaction by the way. That it would identify the wrong cause and freeze a state precisely into those aspects most abhorrent about modern life. This is a return to tradition where you could say liberal individualism has been completely abandoned for the needs of the community. Picard’s desire to search for scientific solutions and a way out is seen, again, as threatening to the community consensus and the daily work of mere life necessary for survival; when he rebels, he is put in hot torture room like POW in Bridge Over the River Kwai.The moral code of this Star Trek village on planet is similar to the society in Interstellar and both I think reflect not only the most likely dystopia toward which man is headed, but already how things mostly are. Another example of this dystopia is in movie The Beach with Leonardo DiCaprio and middle-aged hippie woman with rough pussy. This is not science fiction but is nice half-fantasy utopia revealed as dystopia, but where the same woman-led social-based existence smothers men, aloneness, and any longing for greatness: here in the name of a communitarian hedonism, but it was never clear why the communitarian “traditionalist” critics of liberal individualist hedonism believe that there can’t exist an equally empty community-based version of the same.
In our day the rationalist leftists who were hoping for a Star Trek future maybe see themselves that the greatest danger to its unfolding isn’t a “mythical, religious or aristocratic” reactionary fascism, but just this small-time Rousseauean communitarianism which has already deemed science, mathematics and science itself white supremacist constructs. For all the foot-stomping about “belief in Science,” this communitarian anti-scientific bent has been inherent in the left at least from the time of Rousseau: and Rousseau himself of course was only trying to find modern and sophisticated reasons to support the Republic of Pigs from Plato’s Republic, which of course is the “real Republic” of that book; it is abandoned early in the dialogue only because of Plato’s aristocratic interlocutors, who no longer exist today. But anyway: I watch also movie First Man recently and there they depict chant of minority BIPOC, about how space race and whitey on the Moon is incompatible with dem programs and more food for struggling nonwhites. When I saw this I thought it was an unambiguously white supremacist scene, to contrast in explicit racial terms the white man’s Faustian longing and scientific progress with minorities’ earthbound desire merely to fill belly. But of course that’s not how the scene was intended. It was, at least, lip service to the ruling morality of our time, which is already, in full bloom, that depicted in Interstellar and in the dystopias described above. When Bezos or Musk want to go to space, they are confronted with the same outrage about the immorality of space travel in view of the suffering of trans people of color—from their side, not from Heideggerians who worry about technological progress or about “denaturing of substance,” or whatever else the left rationalists imagined about the supposed opposition to Science. In this not to speak of the biological sciences and genetics, where even liberals are united in being retrograde, the left finds that opposition to one of its utopian futures comes from one of its other left-utopian factions; and as always happens, this internal incoherence and struggle is then blamed on a retrograde reactionary right. It’s amusing this is happening too now in vaccine and WuhanBATGRIDS debates: the majority of abstainers are blacks possessed by grotesque conspiracy theories, but this is blamed on something else.
The economic sides of this argument are too long to address here; I never thought problem of modernity or problem of man in general is primarily economic or will ever have economic solution. But I will say brief: that America or the West is “hypercapitalist” is one of the most absurd claims floating around now. I don’t want to enter these debates very much because it would make me take, however temporarily, the side of “classical liberals.” I don’t believe in liberalism of whatever kind because it is, as Nietzsche say, itself a path to the herd-animalization of man. I believe in Fascism or “something worse” and I can say so unambiguously because, unlike others, I have given up long ago all hope of being part of the respectable world or winning a respectable audience. I have said for a long time that I believe in rule by a military caste of men who would be able to guide society toward a morality of eugenics. I am indifferent to economics as long as economic activity is subordinate to the interest of this caste and their project. In pure capitalism, state and society are subordinate to “the economy,” which is probably borderless; but in socialism also the state and society are subordinate to the economy, which is simply restructured as the administrative meeting of material needs rather than something based on profit. Schopenhauer understood very well the end-goals of socialists:“…the State is essentially a mere institution for protecting all from external attacks and individuals from attacks within its borders. It follows from this that the necessity of the State rests ultimately on the acknowledged injustice and unfairness of the human race. In the absence of injustice, no one would think of a State, for none would need to fear any encroachment of his rights and a mere union against the attacks of wild animals or the elements would bear only a feeble resemblance to the State. From this point of view, we clearly see the narrow-mindedness and shallowness of the philosophasters who in pompous phrases represent the State as the highest purpose and the flower of human existence and thus furnish an apotheosis of Philistinism…But never has this false delusion been made more mendaciously and impudently than by the demagogues of the present day… They think that, if only governments did their duty, there would be heaven on earth, in other words, that all could gorge, guzzle, propagate, and die without effort and anxiety. For this is the paraphrase of their “end in itself”; this is the goal of the “endless progress of mankind” which they are never tired of proclaiming in pompous phrases.”
The right-wing critics of “capitalism” now mostly don’t take this approach: they only have criticisms of “hypercapitalism,” but they don’t attack socialism, they even embrace it. They believe the philosophy of every collitch faculty lounge, the thought promoted by media and Hollyweird over decades as anti-establishment is actually anti-establishment. They mainly arrive at this by pointing out that there are big corporations, that these make a lot of profit, and that they often push Wokeness, leftism, anti-whyteness and open borders and other such things. This is so, but the straightforward solution to this isn’t higher corporate tax rates or more redistribution, which these corporations in any case would be able to weather and which wouldn’t affect the crucial question of their power over government: the solution is that of Putin, a champion of the awakened people to humble the oligarchs. For whatever reason, this solution is never entertained. There is only desire to talk about impersonal systems, forces, Capital, Neoliberalism—but never names. Other path to see: these types in their theoretical talk of Capital, international finance, impersonal irresponsible corporations and so forth, never propose the alternative of national economy, only socialist centralized economy. Not once have I seen these types—which includes much of Populist Inc and the Santorum wing of the GOP, which is quite old—never do you see them make sensible proposals like the Japanese law that makes it hard for chains to operate in cities but easy for mom and pop’s to do so. I’ve never seen them propose regulations that would tax, degrade, or make it difficult for large international corporations, but easy for small businesses, family farms, small business that produces material goods nationally, and such. Almost never do they embrace protectionism or tariffs. Their solutions are always on the line of “child tax credits” or “medicare for all”—actually quite old proposals among some parts of the GOP, and which would do nothing whatsoever to address the capture of the economy and the sovereignty by the alliance of particular oligarchs (with particular names) and elements in government and media. I can only draw the conclusion that where these are not actually GOP consultants in disguise—and I know of at least a handful of cases where this is what’s going on—they are sincere socialists in their beliefs, and unsincere in their desire to repackage old Marxism in a pill palatable to what they see as the “altright.”
how's the blood pressure these days
man I'm not reading any of thatstop wasting your time even thinking about communists, they're a non entity
>>25161551Not a rebuttal
>>25161560Sorry I didn't realize you were actually unwell. I'll be going. Take a breath
imagine, instead of writing all of this, you could've just gone to bed, or came or something
I am a seething ESL nazi LARPer and this is my textwall
>>25161558>>25161810>>25161640>>>/lit/>not readingchecks out
>>25162328>seething>cant greentext>ESL>can't communicate without epic based 'jaksthis is somebody's life. let that sink in
I knew Star Trek was atheistic shabbos goyim propaganda long before you did, OP.
>>25162368>exposes himself as 50iqhttps://www.bronzeagepervert.yoga/p/communitar-fools
