Which Sienkiewicz novels are the most interesting? What is good starting point?I tried Quo Vadis but didn't find the setting that interesting, christfaggotry is boring.
>>25161628>christfaggotry is boringSienkiewicz is probably not for you. Maybe give Without Dogma a shot.
>>25161628I barely finished Krzyżacy, and that's only because I had to read it for school. One of the most boring novels I've ever read.
>>25161628>christfaggotry is boring.Then cucking manuals and sissy porn is more up your alley.For not-libgays - in Poland, Sienkiewicz is better known for the Trilogy. It's based. Start with the films, and if you like the atmosphere, read the whole thing (this will be necessary, as the films are incomprehensible without knowing the books).
>>25161628everyone I know hates his prose, me included
>>25161688Christianity is the theological equivalent to sissy and cuck fetish
>>25161628I see that most people on here who read him read The Deluge, and I don't think they began With Fire and Sword, but that's what I did, and I haven't gone beyond the second chapter since beginning the book in 2022. Maybe I'll give it another try this week.
Im polish and we had to read the deluge for polish class and the prose was so fucking shit. I failed the exam because i couldnt bring myself to reading that. I have read quo vadis tho and it was quite good but i dont really remember it since i was like 13 when i read it. Besides, why were we supposed to read the deluge? Fire in the sword is the first in the trillogy so it would be logical to read that first. However if you REALLY want to read Sienkiewicz you should read the trillogy because its his most famous work. Oh and also watch the films because they are kino
>>25162526>>25161680Poor taste and a low level of cultural competence are the result of the loss of elites and the positioning of the illiterate peasant as the ideal. Mróz is a perfect example of such a "nation" without thought, without tradition, without class.>>25162543In Protestant countries, reducing morality to a standard of correctness creates weak and insecure people. Only actions exist, and these can always be perceived as evil, hence the eternal fear of judgment, which creates a need for self-humiliation to anticipate negative judgment. In Catholic and Orthodox countries, the metaphysics of evil and good allows us to transform our inclinations into a moral stance that connects humanity as a whole with the world. Evil is evil in the eyes of the world, good is good in the eyes of the world. When I live well, I am not afraid, even when society's judgment is negative.A perfect example is sex. If you understand Catholic theology properly (the real kind, not from leftist media or American movies), you will understand that sex is not a sin, nor is the desire for sex, but sex inconsistent with the order of things (the world). For Protestants, sex threatens correctness, and therefore it is expunged. After the sexual revolution, Catholic countries somehow managed to cope, while Protestants, liberated from their own correctness, built a new one based on the inversion of the old. Hence the cuck, hating himself for being a man and having male desires, convincing himself to be a lesbian through BDSM, hypno, sissy porn.
>>25162671slop post irrelevant to the thread.Go back to /pol/.
>>25162671>Poor taste and a low level of cultural competenceWhatever nigga. I hated Sienkiewicz and I have no desire to return to him now. Especially since almost any realist/historical novel I read turns out to be boring as fuck. I'd rather just read Gombro/Schulz/Witkacy. Or maybe finally give Andrzejewski a try.
>>25162725Just admit you’re a cuckold and keep it moving.
>>25162702Don't make me laugh.>>25162725Reading a complex historical novel requires intellectual rigor, which also manifests itself in the rigor of scholarship. A rigorous person is rigorous all the time. The payoff, however, is a more fulfilling life. Without the self-development necessary for rigor, the reception of the writers you mentioned will be shallow. Schulz's writing will be merely atmospheric fantasy, Witkacy's illusionist, and Gobrowicz's cabaret artist.
>>25161628I do have By Fire and Sword at home, I want to read ti but always something gets in the way. I read Quo Vadis thus far, not a bad book at all.
>>25162671>the positioning of the illiterate peasant as the idealKeep in mind that for the decades Sienkiewicz served as a de facto equivalent of current-day Mróz novels you mentioned. The Trilogy was considered easily digestible genre literature. My great-grandparent, who was a small farmer from buttfuck-nowhere, knew whole passages by heart and read Sienkiewicz to his kids. Now you have faggots like >>25162664 and >>25161680 who have issues going through a single tome. An "illiterate peasant" of yore would be an actual improvement over modern day's average deracinated Pole.
Like all Polish literature, it's entirely worthless for non Poles.
>>25163054I disagree.
>>25162998I don't question that Sienkiewicz was a writer of popular literature. I'm not even claiming he was the best in Polish literature. There were many more valuable writers.But consider how deep the literary culture of the world is, where Sienkiewicz is considered "the inferior one"? This was the world that created the greatest works known to literature.Mróz is a symptom of an inferior culture. One in which, if Sienkiewicz were to rise from the grave, he would be the greatest author. Because between Sienkiewicz and those Twardochs, Żulczyks, and other scumbags, there's a vast chasm. This decline occurred precisely because of the elimination of the nobility, of which nothing remains.>>25163054I agree with 90%. Poles are extremely hermetic, like all lower cultures. Great cultures like France combine their locality with universality. Unfortunately, Polish literature boasts few such works. However, Sienkiewicz belongs among them, as evidenced by its popularity outside of Poland and Hollywood adaptations. Not because it was great literature, but significant enough to command a certain respect, like, say, Dumas's books, Father and Son.
>>25163250Are you 16yo or just stupid? Serious question.
>>25164908Do you have trouble reading a single complex sentence? I'm asking seriously.
>>25165046your shit isn't complex, it's shit. Shit brain, shit ideas, shit writing, shit all the way down, the harder you try the shittier it is. No need to attempt saying shit in complex (sic) way it makes you look even more retarded. Understood redditor nigger? Sure hope you did, becouse nigger you r shit squared.now try again and answer that simple question I asked: Are you 16yo or just stupid?
>>25165164>your shit isn't complex, it's shit. Shit brain, shit ideas, shit writing, shit all the way down, the harder you try the shittier it is. No need to attempt saying shit in complex (sic) way it makes you look even more retarded. Understood redditor nigger? Sure hope you did, becouse nigger you r shit squared.You have a lot of shit on your mind.>now try again and answer that simple question I asked: Are you 16yo or just stupid?If you came here for catfishing, you'd better try Discord.
>>25161628Trilogy as the others said.
>>25162744>A rigorous person is rigorous all the time.Silliness.
>>25163054Gombrowicz is one of the greatest European writers of 20th century though.
>>25165423To a weak person, any sign of discipline is foolishness. To a strong person, weakness is only a moment, after which discipline, the source of strength, returns.>>25166247Gombrowicz is one of the few examples in Polish literature who transformed Polishness into universality. Perhaps because he later lived in France.Teodor Parnicki was a Jew born in eastern Russia who decided to become a Polish writer. He later lived in Mexico for a long time and did not write in Polish, but his work was strongly based, though not necessarily modeled, on Sienkiewicz.
