>>25165185
her face is illuminated, highlighting the bone structure

>>25165189
I always read that line as analogous for a break-up. The face of an ex-lover fluctuating from an object of desire to now only serving as a reminder of an "electricity" that waned.

Honestly I just wanted to post some Bob Dylan lyrics that I had stuck in my head. I used to say Highway 61 was his best work, but I've grown partial to Blonde on Blonde as of lately.

WiFi brain control. Look it up sweetheart.

>>25165185
Doesn't matter. The Dylan from this period is only relevant in that those of his generation found those 3 albums exceptionally relevant. It's more of a time capsule, don't expect this work to flatter.
The compulsory Dylan listens to see why he is actually genius would be
1) Rough and Rowdy Ways
2) Tempest
3) Together Through Life
4) Oh Mercy
5) Knocked Out Loaded
6) Shot of Love
7) Saved
8) Slow Train
9) Street Legal
10) Desire
11) Blood on the Tracks
12) New Morning
13) Nashville Skyline
14) John Wesley Harding
15) Bringin' it all Back Home
**Basically in this order

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Wrong one died.

>>25165185
Fuck this hack.

>>25165185
its probably a drug reference

>>25165264
Midwit take par excellence

test

-icles, hmm, odd, my IP was blocked for a moment there.

>>25165233
This is the most ass-backwards and contrarian list I've ever laid eyes on. His best writing is on Time Out of Mind, "Love and Theft," and Modern Times.

Highway 61 is the shits, but man fuck the screeching harmonica everywhere. He's got melodies with it but always goes beyond artsy-rough into ear bleeding. Anyway lit related, "Highlands" is the best spoken word thingy in the music business

>>25165233
>in that those of his generation found those 3 albums exceptionally relevant
He had 7 albums that are all legend tier in the 60's.

dude weed lmao

>>25165376
Look up the mono mixes of his classic albums. The harmonica is a less harsh there.

>>25165436
lot less*
He's also spoken about how they usually spent a decent amount of time refining the mono versions, while the stereo mixes were usually rushed.

>>25165210
his best is highway61 for music, blonde on blonde for lyrics

>>25165479
Weirdly, I feel the opposite. Desolation Row is my favorite Dylan track on a lyrical level.

>>25165387
Yeah, but keep in mind 1965-1966 were all some schizo songwriting that adapts al that beat-generation stream of consciousness poetry into songs. This was hugely influential on the shift to psychedelic themes in rock music in the mid 1960s. I understand Bob Dylan became the biggest name in the folk-revival and of course his first four albums have some of the aforementioned concepts in them as well -- they are still are folk songs though. The folk albums were, yes, largely influential because people wrote protest music and associate protest songs mostly with Dylan -- That said, it's those mid-60s albums that are pointed to as being Dylan's seminal work that represents what he stands for: defying expectations to conform to genre, nebulous lyrics, demonstrating his technique as being applicable to rock'n'roll, etc.
I know Freewheeling was influential, it just isn't seen as seminal by critics and all that. An example of this is the fact that an Hollywood movie was recently made about how he was a rocker.

>>25165185
They should have given the Nobel to Don McLean instead. Literally mogs Zimmerman on every level.

>>25165376
>Highlands" is the best spoken word thingy in the music business
I love that song to bits. I've listened to it maybe 30 times, and at 15 minutes each play.

>>25165316
Oh no don't criticize Shabtai Zisel ben Avraham

>>25165189
>gen z

he's saying that there is life and energy underneath her skin that draws him in and that he recognizes

>>25165525
Dylan, already ahead of most rockers, took another prodigious step forward with the double album Blonde On Blonde (CBS, May 1966), recorded in Nashville between october 1965 and march 1966, a milestone of the twentieth century, one of the greatest cultural divides of the times. This album closed an era and began another. After Blonde On Blonde rock music would not longer be an underground phenomenon or a commercial enterprise, it would be an art form. With Blonde On Blonde begins the process of quality control that would transform every record into a work of art. With Blonde On Blonde rock rivals jazz among the great musical conquests of the twentieth century. This album neatly separates the amateurish diletantism from knowledgeable and conscious art, as the Middle Ages separate from the Renaissance. On one side it completes the assimilation of British rock by folk music, on the other it personalizes the blues and folk, redressing both with marvelous esthetics saturated by creative arrangements of psychedelic derivation. Above all, Dylan reprises the experiment begun with Desolation Row in lengthy pieces that do not seem to end, that are continuously reborn.
The band acquired a determining role: Dylan employed musicians of the caliber of Al Kooper (gospel organ) and Robbie Robertson (country guitar) to give maximum emphasis to the accompanying background. The text, devoid of rhetoric, unfolds into longing, desperate, tender, melancholic love stories that raise to metaphysical idealizations of the woman loved.
The colorful, emphatic, engaging sonic jubilations of I Want You, Absolutely Sweet Marie, Just Like A Woman, One Of Us Must Know, are masterpieces of a more "courteous" genre, cadenced melodies bristling with troubled emotions, T. S. Eliot-like portraits of psychological symbolic female characters that produce a sumptuous wave of emotions as soon as they are caressed by the words of the poet. Richly colored by organ, harmonica and guitar and gently pushed by brilliant rhythms, the phrasing flies in engaging suggestions. The long ramblings of surreal irony are sweetened by raving reflections (the goliardic drinking bash of Rainy Day Women); and the blues of desolation renews itself serenely in Memphis Blues Again, a breath taking parade of senators, Shakespeare and common people, another structurally repetitive "dream" that cycles and recycles itself by twisting along the spiral of a rich and articulate sound.

>>25166210
Is that Scaruffi? Don’t use him as a mouthpiece anon, he’s a fucking dimwit who values Beethoven above Bach. And thinks Kafka wrote the greatest book ever.

>>25165185
shitty wannabe beat born too late to grift scholars but right on time to grift popculture

nice anapests

Lyrics are the lowest form of poetry.

>>25166213
What's wrong with holding The Trial to that regard

>>25165479
This but reverse imo lol

>>25166213
Uh? But all those takes are correct?

>>25165185
I recently copped an original Mono pressing of Blonde on Blonde for £65, its in beautiful condition. Arguably his best album.

>>25165233
>No Infidels
heh. nice try, kid
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A1AN8ydyugY

>>25165376
Queen Jane Approximately is a top 5 Dylan BECAUSE of the screech

>>25165571
>Nobel to Don McLean
I know this is bait but you've still pissed me off

>have a big 60s folk phase
>read about the lives of the artists
>they're all complete frauds
>get disgusted and never listen to that shit again

>>25166729
All folk singers of all eras are frauds. The 60‘s moreso than most though.

>>25166728
>>25166728
>They should have given the Nobel to Leonard Cohen
Fix'd

>>25167571
>you were giving me head
>on the unmade bed
Bravo

Come now gentlemen. You don’t actually like this fellow do you? For his lyricism I mean? Aren’t there an array of poets who wrote much greater lyrics than this man’s milquetoast work? Blake for example, wrote great lyrics

Tyger Tyger, burning bright,
In the forests of the night;
What immortal hand or eye,
Could frame thy fearful symmetry?

In what distant deeps or skies.
Burnt the fire of thine eyes?
On what wings dare he aspire?
What the hand, dare seize the fire?

And what shoulder, & what art,
Could twist the sinews of thy heart?
And when thy heart began to beat,
What dread hand? & what dread feet?

What the hammer? what the chain,
In what furnace was thy brain?
What the anvil? what dread grasp,
Dare its deadly terrors clasp!

When the stars threw down their spears
And water'd heaven with their tears:
Did he smile his work to see?
Did he who made the Lamb make thee?

Tyger Tyger burning bright,
In the forests of the night:
What immortal hand or eye,
Dare frame thy fearful symmetry?

i dont mind his music but for a nobel literature laureate, his lyrics aren't exactly in the same league as faulkner or han kang

>>25167600
Gesundheit

Dylan being given the Nobel Prize for Literature is the same as if Trump were given it for Peace. What a way to degrade something.

>>25167712
He probably deserves it more than Olga Tokarczuk

>>25167712
>>25167717
Or Annie Ernaux

>>25165493
same, i hate 95 percent of dylanstuff, but with this song he just hit something deeper, same with visions of johanna. From a purely musical perspective i probably like just like tom thumbs blue the most

>>25166729
frauds in what sense?

>>25165185

Madlad.

>>25165185
Louise was once a woman who had a spark about her. She was a lively woman who made him feel alive, but now no more. He is head over heals for Johanna. The problem is that he only sees visions of Johanna. She's not real. She is just an idealized version of what he wants in a woman while Louise is real, despite her flaws. At the end, Louise gets sick of his shit and leaves him. And the visions of Johanna are all the remain

>>25165493
That one is really good, but I think It's Alright Ma I'm only Bleeding is my favorite with Visions of Johanna a close second. My favorite part about Desolation Row is the lead guitar playing.

>Yonder stands your orphan with his gun
>Crying like a fire in the sun

Ok, but what did he mean by this???

>>25165293
I think this is correct. I always imagined this line meaning that she, like Bob, abused amphetamines and they made their face gaunt

His voice is insufferable, and him being a laureate is a joke. And you’re all gay for thinking he has any literary merit whatsoever.

>>25167595
Sure Blake was better, but Dylan for his time stands head and shoulders above any other songwriting. He did it so well that it all but killed poetry. Any prospective poets just picked up a guitar, strummed a few chords, and wrote songs

>>25165185
>Nobel laureate
what a joke

>>25170676
>Sure Blake was better
lol no shit
>but Dylan for his time stands head and shoulders above any other songwriting
naw, Leonard Cohen power-mogs him, and Joni Mitchell is equal to Dylan

>>25170706
Cohen has a much smaller catalog of great albums, and I'm generous enough to call albums like Death of a Ladies Man great

I actually prefer vocal experimentation over lyricism, I know this is a literature board, but I just want to say Tim Buckley is awesome.

>>25170706
Not really, Dylan captured the ethos of the 60s in a way that only the best can. Cohen is good and I can see why people love him.
>Joni Mitchell is equal to Dylan
Lol, lmao even

>>25170715
Always listened to Jeff more than Tim. You have a specific album you can recommend. Don't care if this is a lit board, lit discussions on music are miles better than /mu/

>>25170869
>lit discussions on music are miles better than /mu/
I can imagine, I used to frequent /mu/ years back and though it wasn’t too great then, there was at least some semblance of taste. I visited there recently just out of curiosity and it’s a cesspool.
Anyway, it depends with Jeff’s dad, if you like mellow folk stuff then listen to his 60s stuff like Happy Sad, it’s a comfy, if safe record. His best is Starsailor which is where he experiments the most. His voice is wild, it’s one of those records that convinces you that the voice is the best instrument. A lot of crazy avant jazz, ligeti and fusion influences in that one. Lorca too, very moody and experimental but less so than Starsailor. Guy was only 22/23 when he wrote this shit, insane.

>>25170880
>ligeti
Fucking based. Will definitely listen to it

>>25170869
>lit discussions on music are miles better than /mu/
Only if you like Wagner and metal

>>25166213
Kafka didn't write the greatest book ever but Beethoven's 6th on a green spring day will change your life

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>>25170869
>>25170967
this is something i have generally noticed over the years on 4chan, the best discussions of an interest arent happening on the board made for it. No matter if its about music, literature, film, sports,photography whatever. Maybe its because you discuss it more genuinely without trying to troll or impress that specific board

>>25166213
He doesn't say "Beethoven > Bach", he just ranks Symphony No. 9 as the greatest piece of classical music, which is a valid opinion to hold

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>>25171636
at this level it all boils down to subjective feelings anyway, i dont think we on lit are equipped enough to have an honest breakdown about whos objectively better, i dont think anyone is, i personally prefer beethoven too,especially his piano concertos 3 and 5 are my favorites, but dont in particular like the 9th symphony, but i coudnt really tell you why, but im all in for listening at the reasons and arguments why one is better than the other, except if you dont play instrument, then i would rather not hear it

It is just a fancy way of saying "Thoughts run through her head"

Kinda made clear by the next line
>Where these visions of Johanna have now taken my place

Culture almost always changes for the worse, but as a rare case of exception, I certainly welcome zoomers just absolutely shitting on boomer music and culture in general. Good fucking riddance. Even negroes mumbling into a microphone is preferable to what boomers thought was absolutely the greatest, never before seen and never to be surpassed shit ever. Because as dogshit as those rappers are, at least they almost never pretend to be anything more than what they actually are. There are no pretensions to profundity or moral superiority in their tracks. Just bitches, whips, lean and bling.

>>25171634
I also think it has to due with threads getting recycled. Dylan comes up here quite often, so this is a bad example, but when discussing other music, people give more novel opinions and it's nice to gather a different perspective where as this kind of thread would be lost on /mu/.

>>25171654
>Even negroes mumbling into a microphone is preferable to what boomers thought was absolutely the greatest, never before seen and never to be surpassed shit ever. Because as dogshit as those rappers are, at least they almost never pretend to be anything more than what they actually are. There are no pretensions to profundity or moral superiority in their tracks. Just bitches, whips, lean and bling.
Unequivocally wrong. I do think soilenialls worshipped boomer music too much, but that doesn't mean we have to act like mumble rap has any cultural significance at all. Even in ironic terms, it's complete trash. You are also ignoring the fact that there is some extremely good zoomer music out there. Domi and JD Beck are an incredible jazz duo and they are peak zoomer

>>25171647
>at this level it all boils down to subjective feelings anyway
This. Once a certain talent is reached, it becomes subjective. Like how can you compare Dante to Joyce? Both are among the greats and I am sure people have strong opinions about one over the other, but they are so vastly different that ranking them becomes irrelevant.

Also based pic.

>>25170542
he means:
You should have been a responsible parent not a deadbeat dad, but you were a deadbeat dad and the result is yet another problematic child in the world: you made the future worse for everyone.

>>25167577
nta but i could fill this page with Dylan clunkers like:

How many times must a man look up
Before he can see the sky?
Yes, ’n’ how many ears must one man have
Before he can hear people cry?

or

He went to church on Sunday, he was a Boy Scout
For his friends he would turn his pockets inside out


He drank Coca-Cola, he was eating Wonder Bread
Ate Burger Kings, he was well fed

He could’ve sold insurance, owned a restaurant or bar
Could’ve been an accountant or a tennis star


so much more available

>>25172957
Dylan has some misses but those are not them.

>>25171634
/mu/ became too obsessed with niggermusic starting in the mid-2010s. /lit/ for all it's love of making fun of chuds is pretty anti-negrophilic

>>25170869
>You have a specific album you can recommend
His first several albums are all quite good. Lorca is his best, but you'd probably prefer starting with Happy/Sad or Starsailor. Jeff Buckley is a talentless hack who pales in comparison to his father imo

>>25174619
He definitely wasn't talentless lol. Lover You Should've Come Over is a great dadrock track. Unfortunately, Jeff died before he could get truly experimental. You'd also perceive Tim as a hack if he passed away shortly after his debut.

there is an audio of john lennon doing a dylan impersonation where he strums a guitar while reading the newspaper, kek

It's Alright Ma is better than most of the """proper""" poetry I've come across. He nails society's hypocrisy left and right.

>>25174619
Jeff Buckley was supremely talented and Grace is one of the greatest debut albums of all time.

>>25174629
>>25174738
He inherited his father's amazing voice but used it mostly to make mediocre covers. If he had lived longer, maybe he'd have found his own style. To bring it back around to Bob Dylan, he reminds me a bit of Jakob Dylan

>>25174947
That’s a good analogy to help understand where you’re coming from. Jeff Buckley was ahead of his time though. Compared to Jakob Dylan, he was much more influential with his sound. I don’t think there’s a Radiohead as we know them without JB. And with the whole package for songwriting and performance, obviously, I think you underrate him. As for Bob Dylan, my favorite of his is Visions of Johanna and my favorite lyric is the one about the wallflower and the jelly faced women - one having a mustache.

>>25175024
>I don’t think there’s a Radiohead as we know them without JB.
Don't give people reasons to hate Jeff like that

He's using AI now apparently lol

>>25176388
Those people are gonna hate regardless. Your comment testifies to that.

>>25170706
What about Nick Drake

>>25174260
>Wiggle, wiggle, wiggle like a bowl of soup
>Wiggle, wiggle, wiggle like a rolling hoop
>Wiggle, wiggle, wiggle like a ton of lead
>Wiggle, you can raise the dead
I honestly never had much issue with it.

>>25166213
Scaruffi believes the greatest lyrics ever written to be:

Are we supposed to be or not to be?
said the angel to the Queen
I lift up my skirt and Voltaire turns
as he speaks, his mouth full of garlic
white, yes, white
misfortune of us two
he told you to be free
and you obeyed
we have to decide which is important
a war we never see
or a street so black babies die?
a system and a theory
or our wish to be free?
to organise and analyse
and at the end realise
that nobody knows
if it really happened

From the song Miss Fortune, by Faust.

>>25166239
they aren't poetry, they are lyrics. the musicality of them as melodic items is important which is not the case in poetry.