Everything you call "living" is just a massive cope to disguise the fact that your biology is desperately trying to return to the inorganic state it crawled out of. Everything you think matters, your feelings, your relationships, your grand narratives about human dignity is just wet meat pretending it's not wet meat. You think you have a will to power or life goals but that's just a mask for the will to nothingness. Civilization is literally just monkey neurons firing in patterns complex enough to convince themselves there's something more going on.Your consciousness is a LARP. You are essentially a complicated rock that unfortunately gained consciousness and is now taking a circuitous path back to being a rock. Your "meaning" is just coping mechanisms stacked on coping mechanisms until you've built this elaborate theater where the biological imperative to not rope gets dressed up as "love" and "purpose".The science is clear that the inanimate existed before us and the only real drive is to restore that silence, meaning your entire existence is just a temporary glitchy detour toward the grave. The universe spent 13 billion years not giving a shit about you, you'll exist for maybe 80 years tops thinking you're special then it'll spend eternity continuing to not give a shit. The universe is indifferent, cosmic extinction is guaranteed, and when the heat death of the universe hits it will be like none of this ever happened.Every cathedral, every symphony, every philosophical treatise is all just the inorganic death-drive wearing an increasingly elaborate skin suit pantomiming rationality while shuffling back toward the void it came from. We're already dead, we just haven't stopped moving yet. The sun will eventually vaporize every trace that humans ever existed and literally nothing will have mattered, so stop deluding yourself that this life is anything other than a long pointless walk back to zero.
>>25165645So why haven't you killed yourself?
>>25165653fpbp. /thread
>>25165645>your biology is desperately trying to return to the inorganic state it crawled out ofLiterally the opposite, the body craves life and reproduction. The soul may or not agree with the body's feelings on the matter. Do you even Zapffe?https://www.removepaywall.com/search?url=https://philosophynow.org/issues/45/The_Last_Messiah
>>25165645Living is fun. And it's good precisely because it doesn't last forever. I'm glad that I'm a complicated rock that gained consciousness by accident and now I'm able to have rock steamy sex and eat rock prosciutto. Fuck off to all nihilists and coward crybabies.
>>25165769>it's good precisely because it doesn't last foreverYou hear this kind of thing throughout life, but I don't really buy it.I feel like if I was immortal, and knew it, I would still be enjoying the clean air and trees just as much. In fact, I'd have so many generations to meditate, that I think I would be the ultimate appreciater.But maybe that's just me anon, maybe that's just me
I thought that said nhl we /hoc/ now go flames
>>25165645>copeValue statement. Implies Platonism.
>>25165786An anon with a noggin i c
>>25165645You conceive of life as a degraded version of some ideal. Some broken shadow of the real thing. But this “real thing” never existed. The ideal is a fiction. The thinking meat you are is not an flawed imitation of a true, pure logos. It is nothing striving towards something, not something striving towards nothing.In other words you are a filthy life-denying Platonist. Your biology seeks immortality, not death.
>>25165645> Your consciousness is a LARP. You are essentially a complicated rock that unfortunately gained consciousness That's not the way I see it. I AM the consciousness that the complicated rock gained. I am the neurons firing in patterns complex enough for that to exist. If it didn't there would be no me. I am a figment of my mind's conceptual system, the thing that it uses to refer to itself. All other things (that may be used to refer to myself in language, i.e. identities like "I am male" or "I am a 4chan user") are transient, if I fail to live up to them somehow - I am still me. At some point the electrical activity in the body will cease, it will, as you say "return to the inorganic state", there will be no more current flowing through the neurons in the brain, and that will be the end of me. It's unfortunate - I am occasionally influenced by biological imperatives, and to not rope is one of them, so I do like existing and wish non-existence was not on the table - but it is on the table and nothing can be done about it, so I don't see the point of whining about it. > The universe spent 13 billion years not giving a shit about youYes, but we're not in an unequal relationship. I also don't give a shit about the universe.
>The science is clear that the inanimate existed before us No shit, dumb faggot. God made us out of mud and clay.
mid 20s death anxiety is hitting /lit/ hard
>>25165881They should have read the Vedas instead of retards like Nietzsche and Camus.
>>25165904this and the tao
All of this word salad just to base it on a premise as false as the Big Bang Theory LOL
>But, speaking as a philosopher, I am quite prepared to say that the common-sense world of physical objects in Space and Time is unreal -- that is, that there are no such things. Or, to put it less paradoxically, that in the dimension of describing and explaining the world, science is the measure of all things, of what is that it is, and of what is not that it is not. (Sellars, Empiricism and the Philosophy of Mind, 41)
>>25165769>>25165796>>25165811Funny how atheists ITT think they're refuting OP by regurgitating his materialistic atheism back to him lol
>>25165990Yes, this is our internal atheistic argument. Everyone is well aware that the contradiction disappears if we choose religion instead. To some of us the tradeoff is still not worth it. To some it may be worth it, you're welcome to these new converts to your religion.
>>25165645>Your consciousness is a LARPYes and?>he only real drive is to restore that silence>death-drive Anyone who thinks that life is just a pathetic glitch before the great all-encompassing entropic noise obviously never had to disinfect a Class 1 cleanroom.
>>25165645Must suck being a materialist
>>25165994>To some of us the tradeoff is still not worth itThe tradeoff with what? You don't have to be religious to not be a materialist.
Literally just an obfuscation of Merleau-Ponty
>>25165645Mods ban this guy
>>25166864Knew he was demonic. Got visited by picrel when I was reading him.
>>25166855>he thinks idealism will save himread some shoppy you illiterate nigga
the universe would not have existed if not for the conscious-rock to perceive it
>>25165645>Nigga be calling himself "brasserie" n sheiit.
consciousness is semantic
>>25165645NahI'm drinking beers with God right now and he says you are the gayest demon he ever sent straight to hell.
So killing minorities is okay?
>>25165990The thing with atheist nihilism is that by the moment you realize life doesn't have an intrinsic meaning it can go both ways, either an optimistic hedonism or a pessimistic lust for death.I'm not trying to refute OP, I'm merely suggesting that pessimism is not the one and only possible conclusion to existential nihilism. You can turn around and enjoy you stupid short life now that you are here by accident. What else can you lose?
>>25167085NOOOOOOO!!!! FUCK NO!!! FUCK!!! NO!!!!Okay I am REVISING the SHIT out of my post. Most meaning is nonexistent and your life is worthless, but people with brown skin contain VAST quantities of meaning and must not be interfered with in a negative way.
>>25165645While my biology desperately tries to return to inorganic state, i will be smiling.
>>25165645
>>25165645oh yeah?? I dare- no, I double dare you to say the n-word then
>>25165645i simply will pump myself full of pleasure drugs so i dont die in pain
yes and still I fight. sad nigger
>>25165645Nihilism is so stupid lmao I can't believe anybody above the age of 13 believes in this shit no wonder all the "best" nihilists were horror writers you're children spooking each other out with campfire stories and in turn trying to out-spook one another till someone gets too spooked and runs away but deep down inside you know it's all just a game which is why every time you post something like this you do so with a smug smirk and a heaping helping of self-satisfaction
>>25166885Ye, Gay Brasserie
>>25165645*refutes you*
>>25167764This>>25165645Applying a moral narrative to it is where you go wrong; reality is chaotically ambivalent and experientially neutral overall
>>25168163>le reality doesn't care so its not a literal hellscape xDNeutrally ambivalent implies that good sometimes beats out evil in a 50/50 sense, but it doesn't. Keep coping.
>>25168161That pseud frog fundamentally does not understand the myth.
>>25168221How so?
>>25165653I think he did'nt do it yet to enjoy the pleasures
>>25168215Who determines good and evil in this scenario? You're projecting a moral narrative onto events that is non-absolute in its reality, again
>>25168222Sisyphus's struggle is his failure to bridge himself between the divine and the immanent, not a metaphor for waking up to wageslave so he can do it all over again.
>>25168238>Who determines good and evil in this scenario?Remember this when you witness your mother's death rattle.
>>25168242>bridge himself between the divine and the immanentThat's what the whole conclusion is though. Embracing the Absurd, is accepting a new kind of immanent divine via the human experience.
>wahh wahh there is no meaning!!!!Incoherent negative conceptThis """"""lack of existential meaning"""""""" only makes sense in reference to """""""existential meaning"""""""", which has never and will never exist.You may as well cry about the dire lack of unicorns in the world, or the fact that you cannot fly and shoot laser beams from your eyes. Total nonsense.
>>25168248>immanent divineMissing the point entirely, as I said.
>>25168255Why are you so jewish?
>>25168259How so? Either articulate or don't respond.
I believe nearly everything OP says and I've stopped struggling against it for more than a decade now. I've only read Cioran, Zapffe Becker and Ligotti, but it feels like the pessimists just keep going on and on about the same things. But I get it, and I accept it.My greatest victory and solace is going one more day in the world as described by OP feeling joy, feeling love, commiting myself to a purpose, having a meaning for my life. Every second that I spend living and thriving in spite of the endless bleakness of reality makes me feel stronger, fuller.I don't regret being born, so far.
>>25168266>Either articulate Camus tries to twist the narrative around so that Sisyphus' act of rebellion is in service to his pursuit of the divine, but its actually because he rebels against forces larger than him that he's subjected to a grander humiliation in the process. What I'm saying is there was a clear cosmic divine order, and Sisyphus rejected it. It cannot reasonably be interpreted as "absurdist" because absurdism rejects external meaning entirely (and that meaning is obeying the will of the Gods).The lesson here is that "immanent divinity" is an oxymoron.
>>25168262I'm not the one crying that there is no magical jewish sky daddy to tell you chop off the tip of your dick
>>25168304Lmao. Go watch some Professor Dave videos, nihilistic cretin.
>>25165645get your dick sucked by two chicks at once and reconsider
>>25168308rabbi...
>>25168326Atheism is pushed by the jews in all parts of life.
>>25168303>What I'm saying is there was a clear cosmic divine order, and Sisyphus rejected it. It cannot reasonably be interpreted as "absurdist"I think you're mistaken on which aspect he likens to the absurd, because it's definitely not that one.
>>25168333I'm well aware that Camus is a pseud materialist that thinks Gods aren't real.
>>25168336That's not really the issue, you're getting hung up on non-relevant things, when the only aspect of the myth that is actually relevant is Sisyphus's new state of compulsion. But if all you seemingly got out of it was dismissing a comparison to wage-slaving (which was only a singular part of introducing human experience to the absurd), i think you just checked out long before.
>>25168349>you're getting hung up on non-relevant things,No. The entire tale of Sisyphus is incoherent if its not written in regards to the self-evident existence of natural law. Camus, being a rejecter of intuition, lambasts this notion in all of his work.
