>To have committed every crime but that of being a father.
Antinatalism for kikes and nigger
>>25166300Tell em, little Timmy.
>>25166300Name one Black Antinatalist.
>>25166329>Name one Black Antinatalist.The 60% of sheboons in U.S. who get 3+ abortions and make black birth rates even lower than whites
Yeah, Eraserhead was a pretty good movie.
I’m convinced antinatalists just hate their own lives and want to drag everyone else down to their level like crabs in a bucket. How about instead of being a sad sack and telling everyone to go extinct, work to find meaning and joy for yourself?
>>25166433>workAnathema to the anti-natalist way of life.
>>25166288How is a doctrine so effortlessly refuted?
>>25166999>Punches you in the face
Leaving aside being against having children individually as a negative, name one (1) good reason to actively continue our species that isn't a re-phrasing of 'because we just should'. I honestly cannot think of one and nobody ever believes I'm not just being edgy. It seems like as soon as you actually think about it there's obviously no worthwhile reason at all
>>25167504Because non-existence is ceaseless torture
>>25167510how's that work then
>>25166329>he doesn't know
>>25167504Why not?
>>25166288Being a father is the only thing worthwhile in life. >>25166300fpbp
>>25168132Keep pumping your fat sow of a wife and release more souls into this world that is tipping into World War III and an economic recession. They'll thank you when food costs soar another 100%.
>>25167504Life is fundamentally about hope.
>>25168143My descendants will build castles on your grave. I will live on through my name and you will be forever cast into the dustbin of history.
>>25166288>If I just refuse to have children I can live in Peter Pan world for ever and I never have to grow up and I can live my fun manchild life forever and forever Maturity comes for us all, even those who scorn it
I'm an avid antinatalism, excluding chance, I am. But if I got the chance to p in v and be looked up to by my children, I would. So I don't consider it a crime.
>>25168166What his "wife" did for him is more than yours if you even have one would ever do for you, also assuming you're not some retarded foid, but you write more like a beta cuck to me.
>>25167510Older gnostic writings don't seem to associate not being born with 'non-existence.' It's more like non-instantiation into this particular plane for a period of time. Existence as such is unaffected whether a being is instantiated here or not; anti-natalism would simply argue that there isn't any real need to instantiate here, since this particular plane of existence has a lot of flaws. That doesn't mean you can't enjoy your own life once it has been instantiated, but you also shouldn't get too attached, since it is designed to terminate, and unattachment might include not having kids, which will make it easier to depart and to explore better realms in the future.
>>25168143I will, and I'm grateful for the opportunity to do so, eunuch.
>>25167504Because I prefer flowers to empty voids, faggot.
>>25167504The reason is so fundamentally obvious that language can't actually even articulate it. Its a truth truer than man's words are equipped to express.
>>25166288Would he be an antinatalist if he didn't look like that though?
Reminder that anti-natalists are likely to be mentally ill and have a personality disorder
>>25169762This doesn't mean that anti-natalist arguments can be dismissed solely due to this fact (inb4 crying about ad hom); it does however add context to why autists make these threads and are completely unable to understand why they are wrong. It also has direct implications regarding Benatar's quality of life argument (i.e. anti-natalists are stuck in a rigid ideological system as a cope for to sustain their defective worldview).Say you're designing a logo and you want to market test for the most appealing shade of red. Would you want most of those in your sample population to suffer from protanopia?
>>25166999Just subtract "human" from the post and see what it says
>>25169762>>25169764Anti-natalists are at a complete poverty when it comes to weighing quality of life. Their defective nature simply precludes them from accepting any rationalization outside of their own self-indoctrination. They don't necessarily mean to be disingenuous because such is simply written into their nature.Also note that the more you talk to them the more you'll realize a sick fascination with harm, violence, and death. These people don't want to reduce harm, they want to justify their resentment and spread their misery.
>>25167504Either there's a God who demands it of us or there isn't a reason.
>>25166433This site will make some insane mental gymnastics when this is just common sense. Anti natalist is not even a philosophy, it's a consequence memed into a philosophy by retarded cucks finding a way to cope with their pre disposition to not solve problems and not live life in their own terms, the same with every fatalistic school of thought (Nihilism, Pessimism, etc). If they found a way to get what they want overnight, this shit vanishes at once, so not even they believe in it. Everything you have to do it's ask why they don't kill themselves which is the ultimate conclusion of that line of thinking. Just like politics, fatalism only exist in the hivemind, it's about telling others how much of a cuck you really ended up being.
>>25166288You know, Cioran looks a bit like Bono.
>>25168155No they will be the same poor cattle that you are and will break their backs to enrich others.
Nietzsche says for antinatalists to kill themselves... Is it over, antinatalist bros?
>>25167504Most people have kids "just because", most of the time by accident. The ones who do it on purpose are married to some religion or ideology that requires then to reproduce, or think that having a kid will give them something to do and care for, or see them as the ones who will take care of them later in life, or have another benefit to it. Everyone's got their own selfless, selfish, and brainless reasons.But to me, the real reason there is for having a kid for people like "us", with time to think about it, with the capacity to understand the negative aspects of existence, without lying to oneself, without clinging to some moral or transcendentally important notion that only a medieval peasant could take seriously, is because you want to.You are not doing this for the world, or your masters, or biology holding a gun to your head, not even for the sake of the new kid really, you do it for the same reason the Judeo-Christian God created life.I think antinatalists have gotten it mostly right: existence is cruel and unfair, nature is brutal, mankind is abhorrent, life is meaningless and inhuman, and things don't get better. They come off as whinny, pearl clutching, hysterical, hollier than thou little bitches or disingenuous, embittered losers who will go "haha told you so" the moment your kid scrapes his knee or loses a leg, because that's really all these people have in their miserable lives: their deep insight, their true faith.The question is "why". The antinatalists gave you their answer, as well as the /pol/ larpers and the brainlets. What's yours?
>>25169783You could have told him that building castles is meaningless childish shit that won't prevent their suffering and their eventual deaths, but instead you chose to focus in the shit heel poorfag envy.Says a lot about the kind of people who become fervent antinatalists (and the people who think having kids needs to happen)
>>25169806>you do it for the same reason the Judeo-Christian God created lifeis an utterly freakish thing to say, if you aren't an antinatalist. why do you think the god of abraham created life?
>>25166288Based.>>25166300I wish. Then they'd die out with the rest of us.
>>25167504Nobody can answer this. All you get is seething, emotional reactions. Natalists immediately assume antinatalism equals personal misery, because that's the only framework they understand. They can't even entertain the idea that it might come from a more detached, realistic assessment of life rather than some subjective grievance.What actually happens is that you're poking at something foundational, and people don't like that. So they either deflect or start doing mental gymnastics, reframing suffering as "not that bad", or pretending it's all just subjective interpretation, even though suffering clearly permeates all life and a huge portion of it is needlessly inflicted by humans.At that point it's not even an argument anymore. People don't want to confront how much harm is built into existence, or their own participation in it. Lucid pessimism is simply not a mode most people are capable of operating in, so they react to it as if it's pathological rather than taking it seriously.
>>25169762>>25169764>>25169767Did you even read your own source? The paper literally says it doesn't settle the question and that interpreting the data requires assumptions they can't justify. At best it shows a correlation in a lay population, not causation, not truth-tracking, not some debunking of anti-natalism. You're taking a tentative, heavily qualified result and inflating it into 'these people are defective and can't reason'. Not really scientific, is it? The authors themselves say it could be interpreted in multiple ways and needs more research.Your protanopia analogy is also completely braindead. Color perception =/= moral reasoning. Anti-natalism is a normative position about suffering and harm, not a sensory deficit. And in the end your whole argument just reduces to 'people who disagree with me are mentally defective', which is ironically the exact kind of coping you're accusing others of. You didn't prove anything, you just showed you don't understand the difference between correlation, interpretation and argument.
>>25169854Nobody can operate on "lucid pessimism".
>>25166433>>25166435>>25168166>collapse discussion into sociology>psychologize as a defense mechanism>integrate, reproduce, continue is the solutionHoly shit, is that the best you've got? Kek
>>25169869Thanks for making my point for me.
>>25168155What was the name of your great grandfather?
>>25169834I think about it a lot.Maybe I don't remember the exact details of how Genesis starts, I'm sure there's an actual reason or emotion somewhere in there, but I try to get in the headspace of the entity with volition that created this universe I'm more or less familiar with, beyond what the myth tries to sell.I don't use "nature" because nature doesn't have a mind, but this guy did.I think he had his selfless, selfish and brainless reasons. All of which are totally alien, amoral, and irrelevant to us.He wasn't doing it because nature imposed it on him, he wasn't doing it to please someone else, he wasn't doing it out of fear or pleasure or boredom, he wasn't doing it as a means to an end, he wasn't doing it for love. He didn't do it by accident. He did it because he could, and he wanted to.
I love antinatalism.
>>25169878Do you feel like every reply you get is someone trying to fight you?Nevermind, that's what these threads are for.
>>25169886but why did he want to? "if i exist everywhere -- whence am i?", asked kant
I've never heard an antinatalist make a proper argument against suicide.
It's crazy to think boomers have another 20 years of power because they're such a fucking huge generation. Declining birth rates have consequences.
>>25169978"proper arguments" don't stop suicides
>>25167504To progress further as human beings. To conquer stars and beyond. To live out of spite. Billions years of evolution, survival in the harshest enviroments, adapting and moving forward with a simple will to live. A will to live so strong it could lead a being to live, fully consciously knowing the world has no meaning. A will to live has become a meaning.
>>25167504Same reason every other specifies continues on. People are emotionally compelled to reproduce.>but that's not a good reasonThere exists no such thing as "good". There is no "good" reason for anything, or any other "good". Whatever you do is just whatever your desires tell you to do. Reason only applies after motivation.
>>25169862>The paper literally says it doesn't settle the question and that interpreting the data requires assumptions they can't justify.Stop lying. The paper says that although the question of how mental illness and personality disorder moderate antinatalist beliefs is beyond its scope, which itself was to investigate a correlation between mental illness/personality disorder and holding such beliefs, the literature surrounding such questions indicate that those who champion antinatalism are at a poverty when it comes to judging its arguments and weighing its conclusions (due to mental illness/personality disorder)>correlation in a lay populationWe're all members of the lay population unless you're an academic producing literature about antinatalism you narcissistic pseud. >Your protanopia analogy is also completely braindeadCry about it. You retards parrot that enduring an insurmountable amount of pain and suffering is equivalent to sitting through a movie you don't like because you paid for a ticket, lol. >Color perception =/= moral reasoning. Way to miss the point, brainlet. Just as you wouldn't want a subpopulation of people who can't see red to judge contrasts of that colour you wouldn't want a bunch of depressive sad sacks with chips on their shoulders judging the quality of other people's lives. Simple as. Antinatalists are a bunch of immature crybabies who failed to outgrow their teenage angst. Sad. However, the fact they choose to not only stew in their own misery but to also project it outward, via masturbatory tirades that pretentiously prognosticate the sum total of the human condition, moves them from pitiable to contemptible.
>>25169765It basically means the same thing. Short of vegan madness it's undistinguishable from human suffering because the suffering of other non human creatures on Earth is of even drastically lower concern than the already dubious overconcern with human suffering leading to promoting collective suicide. Even taking the vegan hypothesis seriously, you'd only argue for total end of life instead of merely sentient life.
>>25170010>B-but my life hasn't been fair!!! I'm super smart for accepting the truth that all life isn't worth living!!! Can't you see I'm brave for accepting the TRUTH? I'm a super smart edgy brave boy!!!Anon, time to get off of the computer and take out the garbage...>I NEVER ASKED TO BE BORN! I HATE YOU MOM!!!!!HEY! Enough of that. Listen to your mother.>FUCK YOU, WARREN! YOU'RE NOT EVEN MY REAL DAD!
>>25166288You committed every crime?
>>25166338wtf I love black women now???
