What people call fantasy—swords 'n' elves 'n' dwarves 'n' rings 'n' high adventure—actually comes from poetry, the Skaldic tradition, and the epic. You should be able to enjoy magic, mystical things, monsters, whimsy, and adventure, without falling into the trappings of commercial fiction. If you want a taste of the fantastical without poring through pages upon pages of slop, then delve into these works: >The Epic of Gilgamesh>The Mahabharata>The Ramayana>The Iliad & the Odyssey>The Aeneid>The Theogony >The Beowulf>The Sagas>The Prose Edda & the Poetic Edda>The Kalevala>The Nibelungenlied>The Song of Roland>The Lay of Cid>Os Lusiadas>The Daredevils of Sassoun>The Tale of Igor's Campaign >The Secret History of the Mongols>The Manas>The Sundiata>The Canterbury Tales, Troilus and Criseyde, & the Romaunt of the Rose>Pearl, Gawain and the Green Knight & Sir Orfeo>Il Canzoniere>La Divina Commedia>The Rape of Lucrece & Venus and Adonis>The Nymphidia>Les Cinq livres des faits et dits de Gargantua et Pantagruel>Paradise Lost & Paradise Regained
>>25171452>typical nerd trying to segue people's interests into the territory they deem worthy>something evolving from something else>must only concern self with what it came from because that is pure and definitely not dreadfully boring>being this annoying
>>25171455I guarantee that you will love Tolkien's rendition of the Beowulf or Pearl; he personally would have wanted all the readers and fans of Middle-earth to go back to the original sources. Why else did he spend a lifetime studying them, then translating them for the everyman?
>>25171461Why would I care what another man spent a lifetime doing and studying, besides that being very nice for him and that I am proud of his interestIt's not good for people to only read these old "perfect" things. People need slop anon. Or else the brain gets too tight and they start saying things like>then delve into these works
>>25171464Why reply unless you feel some tension here? Do you think you're missing out. I promise that the sparkling diadems of poesy will dazzle you. Words are beautiful and you should savour your time on this earth, by worshipping what your forbears left you, in the forms of songs and poetry and the oral tradition.
>>25171469Because I am providing a visible opinion to others reading this thread that is counter to your weird one sided cult minded nonsense. There is so much gay with what you're saying here let me show you>replying only because of tension>thinking being dazzled is something to actively seek>savoring time on earth is only done by consuming beautiful things>worshipping anything>using the word forbears in 2026>trying to join their club unironically>has assumably read these works>has learned nothing from their teachings and has a plain attitude and is a plain person plainly doing nothing but trying to convince people to like what they like in a manner pathetically contrived from the mode of speech of the subject material>being conned into thinking that everything old is better>under the dusty thumb of antiquitysome of them are nice, sure. but it's extremely gay for a person to imply that that's all someone should surround themself with
>>25171476You talk and think like a middle schooler. I thought this place actually had some readers, but maybe I should signpost by not mentioning fantasy, which is your preferred flavour of commercial slop.
>>25171482>the idea of the childlike and youthful soul being present in almost every book you posted>criticizing someone for acting young>immediately switches position to speak derogatory>assumes someone who they believe speaks young reads poorly>not pure of soul
>>25171485You're arguing to "win" and claim "victory". A real argument is about finding compromise or hear someone out, but if you want to treat conflict like a game, then it is about soothing some sore deep down. It isn't about the fact we have differing values and perceptions, but that you want to one-up me. It speaks of a miserable soul, rather than a youthful one. It means you're trying to gain a sense of power. I don't think it's particularly anything I said, although I might have derided your particular escapist fantasy by pointing out it is derivative and bereft of the beauty it is a simulacrum of, but your internal shattered self that is trying to ignore its wounds. If you are already thinking of a way to unravel what I've said and humiliate me in front of the scores of anonymous lookers, as you seemed to imply before, then you are not listening to me and you are just trying to get something. Ask yourself: why do I feel this way and how can I better understand myself?
>>25171492>conjuring the idea of a competition>using the victory angle in any argument where it is not going the way they want it to go, the same way they want people to read only what they like to read>pointing out that someone has a sore spot in a condescending manner>implying every person does not have sore spots and that we should recognize them with honesty and kindness>imagining that i want to one up you>condemning my soul to an imagined misery i do not experience because they are projecting the interest in victory when in fact they are the one who has it>a youthful soul not having the capability to be miserable>brining power in the equation>following the script of how to manipulate an argument politically>condemning the shattered self (three times now being abusive towards a perceived sufferer instead of being genuinely kind)>brainwashed by the concept of understanding the self>taking a high moral position to assume a sense of power that was again projected onto "the opponent">"if you are already thinking of a way to unravel...">attempting to destroy the mode of response that they do not enjoy interacting with>getting this baited>pulling out the big guns>not pure of soul
>>25171503You have described yourself as youthful. I agree. You have shown tendencies to be impulsive and inattentive; you have described yourself as hating "boring" things like reading literature and want to appease your base instincts as soon as possible. You lack in empathy and have frequently said hurtful and derogatory things to me, merely because I disagree and have a different opinion. You are emotionally immature, sometimes flaring into cruelty and viewing the world like a zero sum game where you must beat me at verbal fisticuffs. You are egocentric and keep framing things in terms of your own "youthful" self-interest, wanting to eat literary fairy floss, fantasy commercial fiction, instead of the ambrosia of epic poetry. It is bad for you and will dull the senses and the mind, rather than build your lexical knowledge, verbal intelligence, and knowledge of literary history. You think you know everything and erase the perspectives of others, because you do not have the social skills to understand interpersonal communication.
>>25171511>focusing on the negative traits of youth>unable to drop the "the opponent" attitude>states i have said I hate boring things when I only called something boring, not saying I hated it>attaching their own implied meaning to a simple statement>boring is boring>continuing to say i want to appease my base instincts>following the loose logical trail of a statement that was not even originally made>saying hurtful things means someone lacks empathy>jumping to extreme conclusions very quickly>thinking calling someone's taste gay is worthy of this extremist view>highly concerned with emotional maturity to a fault>not realizing that most characters from the time period of the writing they enjoy were extremely cruel and emotionally immature>still believing there is a battle going on instead of a series of observations that don't need to be responded to>every sentence starting with a new name calling session>not emotionally immature>still thinking i have read any kind of fantasy commercial fiction (i have not read a single one, and prefer old epic poetry like yourself)>continuing on this line of thinking even though no concrete evidence of "fairy floss reading" has been discovered>concerned with verbal intelligence and knowledge of literary history and forcing others to take part as well, and if they don't, they get swiftly dealt with>accusing someone of not having social skills>speaking in the archaic way they do unironically>arguing with greentext>getting this heated>not pure of soul
>>25171523You don't listen, incel! You're a piece of shit! You're a narcissist! Eeeeeep! Is that what you wanted? Is that how you wanted things to pan out? Are you satiated now, now that you have conquered this weak, little lamb?
>>25171532>still thinking i am interested in victory or defeat>thinking i am interested in being called any name at all>not sensing the deep serenity of the watcher>not sensing the true intent
>anon makes a thread>some schizo anon derails it entirely>now the thread is just those two arguing with each othernever change, /lit/
>>25171536>"Intelligent, nihilistic, and with a wicked sense of humor," anon jibed sardonically...
>>25171539>at last, now that I have been released I can sit in silent darkness in the middle of the floor for three more weeks until i feel it is time they have strayed too far>>25171537winky face