I didn't even know this existed.
the BBC production of Henry iv is really good imo, but I think the second series is a bit variable, maybe because they're trying to composite for some of the Henry vi plays not being great by Shakespeare standards and they sort of skim over a lot of the text. also they cut almost all of the humour out of Richard iii. That being said it's still a pretty good adaptation. The best screen version of Richard iii I've seen on screen is still the Ian Mckellan one even though it's not very faithful to the script order, he nails the comedic tone though.
I love Richard II because of this adaptationhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MlCAy9FX6D0https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bY25JoCieAcThis was a good scene
>>25172710Best Shakespeare adaptation I've ever seen, hands-down. The only tragedy is Gerard Butler acting circles around Ralph Feinnes in their scenes together.
>>25172903>bestNot even close but it was alright.
>>25172974YOU... FRAGMENTS
>>25172710It's good, up to a point.That point is Henry VI, which is a woke shitfest.
I liked Greenaway’s Prospero’s Books more than I liked The Tempest.
>>25173045I didn't mind her because I thought she was generally good in the role. The random focus on black extras in the French army was fucking bizarre though
>>25173059History is a whitewash, Chud.Also, Jesus was black.
>>25172710>He never watched The Lion King
>>25172710I thought the Fassbender Macbeth was great. Much better than Throne of Blood.
>>25173186>mumblecore is better than KurosawaLOL, LMAO even.
>>25173187Yes.>better cinematography>better acting>actual Shakespearean dialogueThrone of Blood sucked apart from its depiction of Lady Macbeth.
>>25173197>better cinematography>better acting
>>25172997The "common cry of curs" speech was definitely a highlight.
>>25173214Have you even watched it? 90% of the dialogue involved literally screaming at the camera even when not called for, with comically exaggerated facial expressions. Weak cinematography too. Noh theatre parts where the only good thing about the film.
>>25173230Haveyou even watched the Fassbender version? It's trendy zoomer dogshit from start to finish. It aged like the Weird Sisters.
>>25172903>The only tragedy is Gerard Butler acting circles around Ralph Feinnes in their scenes together.bs
>>25173242I thought the battle scenes were awful, but it also had some great shots, monologues, a fun take on Macbeth. And I respect it for actually committing to the Scottish accent.
>HES HERE IN DOUBLE TRUSTYou gotta watch this if you haven’t. And the older Tennant Hamlet from 2009
aside from the obvious?
>>25172710>black archbishop in 15th century Englanddropped itJust why? BBC productions are not legally forced to include them, BBC also produced War and Peace few years after this and doesn't have niegros.
All adaptions of Shakespeare exist.>what do you mean?That there is no mixture of genres with Shakespeare that hasn't already been staged
>>25173941There is one with Anthony Hopkins as Pierre IIRC.
>>25172710Great adaptation>>25172773I think Olivier's Richard III is the best because Shakespeare's humor translates extremely well into camp>>25172903Also great>>25173045>>25173941Black actors have been playing white characters in Shakespeare plays since James Earl Jones. Same reason Anthony Hopkins played Othello>>25173053Prospero's Books is mostly visual choreography set to the Tempest, like ballet set to a piece of music. It's pretty hard to separate from and contrast with the Tempest>>25173186Polanski's Macbeth is by far the best. Fassbender was a noble effort but it is pretty forgettable. Throne of Blood is not an adaptation of Macbeth exactly because Macbeth is the dialogue of the play which Throne of Blood isn't even a translation of, but it more memorable than Fassbender's Macbeth which doesn't leave the same lasting impressionHas anyone here seen Joss Whedon's Much Ado About Nothing? I thought it was good. His addiction to quips actually works when they're all written by Shakespeare
>>25172710that one is goatedian mckellen's job at king lear is also very goodI also enjoyed Succession and Jesse Armstrong's writingMy favorite though has to be Playing Shakespeare: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D2VnxiW3oqk&list=PLboSQWmG70j_S2nWkRlncZYW49nLeFKWjyoung ian mckellenyoung patrick stewartyoung david suchetyoung judy denchyoung ben kingsley (indecently I am surprised at what a stupid man he is, he gets basically every read wrong and doesn't remotely understand the text)but John Barton steals the show. what an amazing and patient teacher.
>>25173248frankly I was hoping to get more anons to bite that b8
>>25172903Came here hoping someone would talk about this kino.
>>25174269>Black actors have been playing white characters in Shakespeare plays since James Earl JonesHave any of them payed Margaret of Anjou in an ostensibly authentic adaptation? It was obviously a case of woke race-baiting, which is all the BBC does nowadays.
>>25173230>he thinks all acting is about realism >he doesn't know about different acting styles
>>25174269>Throne of Blood is not an adaptation of MacbethIt is. You're a pseud.
>>25174933you're right anon this is literally the fall of the west and we need a gorzillionth reich to wipe BBC off the planet for casting a black actor as a lead in a show you haven't watched based on a play you pretend to have read
>>25174933Back in Orson Welles day they did a stage version with a black cast. Welles directed
>>25175099NTA. The left manufactured an entire assemblage, wherein the kernel is the erasure of history and appropriation of culture, vilifying the West. You can't cry when people notice this is actively being done in Western countries alongside an unprecedented wave of mass immigration that benefits the financial elite at the expense of the working class. You know very well that adapting the role of Othello to be about a white working class man, risen up via positive traits, and the role of Iago to be about a black lesbian working in human resources, trying to tear him down using DEI manipulation, would be attacked as racist, lol. It's all projection with you guys.
>>25175257TRVKE
>>25174734>hates the upper class for being corrupt parasites>hates the lower class for being shiftless, disloyal, retarded herd animalshe's literally me fr, except I would have told my mom to get fucked and marched on Rome and burned it to the ground
>>25175068Batman is an adaptation of Hamlet.
>>25174933I have no clue what you mean by authentic adaptation. Certainly the costumes are not authentic to Shakespeare whose cast would have been in contemporary costume. Certainly Shakespeare's plays in the series which reference things like canons are not period-authentic. So authentic to what, exactly? I understand for someone whose vision of Shakespeare comes mostly from his mind's eye or old films it would be discombobulating, but for anyone whose experience of Shakespeare comes primarily from stage and has knowledge of his work, it isn't strange at all. Remember in Shakespeare's time all the women were played by men in drag. Let me ask you, would you find THAT more authentic, or would you call it woke? In Macbeth the text even describes the witches with beards, which is never seen today.>>25175068It is in the way O, Brother, Where Art Thou is an adaptation of the Odyssey
>>25175272No but the Lion King is.
>>25175408>NoKevin Conroy said so.
>>25175411It's not. No familial conflict and Batman doesn't have any qualms about enacting his revenge, if it can even be called that, against crime. It's closer to Coriolanus.
>>25175457Coriolanus can't fabricate an altar ego, a public persona distinct from himself, and that is the core of the story. A bit different from Batman who lives two lives
>>25175257all you people can talk about is movies and tv, movies and tv, we're losing movies and tv so we're losing the whole fucking planet, blah blah blah. you control the most powerful government on the face of the planet and you're still fucking bitching lmfao
>>25175468I said closer to not 1:1, retard. Batman being a wartime vigilante who is shunned by his city in peacetime is the comparison. He doesn't have the same personality as Coriolanus given the fact he doesn't join forces with the criminals to destroy Gotham when it rejects him. He's also has the persona of Bruce Wayne to fade into so he's never really forced out of the power dynamic even if the public rejects him. However, that being said he still has the "I am/what I do is justice" quasi-fascistic power fantasy aspect to his character and being at the head of the most powerful corporate entity in the city, that will kiss his ass regarding such only when it needs to, isn't unlike Coriolanus's position as a general.There's definitely more there than saying "dur, Batman is like Hamlet" which is retarded.
>>25175565>more projection I never mentioned movies in that post you retarded schizo. Your intellectual insecurities are showing.
>>25175468>>25175654Batman is haunted by his father's ghost. Both Batman and Hamlet pretend to be what they are not. There's some damn key similarities.
>>25175658>Batman is haunted by his father's ghostNo, not really. You're really stretching for a similarity that is obviously tenuous. >Both Batman and Hamlet pretend to be what they are not.Again, not really. It's an open question whether or not Hamlet actually goes mad or just pretends to be mad and the play is about his intellectual nature getting in the way of taking decisive actions. That couldn't be anymore opposite of Batman. That guy probably said "Hamlet" because it's the first thing most people think of when it comes to Shakespeare as being complex with a depth to characters.
>>25175664>No, not really. You're really stretching for a similarity that is obviously tenuous.That's not tenuous at all, you pedantic little bitch. Batman does what he does because the death of his parent(s) haunt him.>Again, not really. It's an open question whether or not Hamlet actually goes mad or just pretends to be mad and the play is about his intellectual nature getting in the way of taking decisive actions. That couldn't be anymore opposite of Batman.They're both playing roles that they are not. Hamlet is not mad, and Batman is playing Bruce Wayne. They're both detectives, too.>That guy probably said "Hamlet" because it's the first thing most people think of when it comes to Shakespeare as being complex with a depth to characters.He said it because he's a classically-trained actor and can notice similarities in character motivations, despite their differences on the surface. Hamlet is Batman.
>>25175672Which issue of Detective Comics did Batman put on a fake play to trick Joe Chill into confessing to his father’s murder and his posthumous relationship with the corpse of Martha Wayne again?
>>25175672>That's not tenuousIt's tenuous. Batman isn't really seeking revenge against the criminal underworld for what happened to his parents. He's dispensing what he sees as justice by being a violent vigilante. Basically, your main point of comparison is that both Hamlet and Bruce Wayne have dead fathers which is superficial and shallow given how both react to it (i.e. Hamlet locked inside his own head versus Bruce going out to be a man of action). >Hamlet is not mad, and Batman is playing Bruce Wayne.Whether or not Hamlet is mad is an open question which leans toward "wait, when did he actually start losing his shit?" more than "this is all a rouse, Hamlet is in control the whole time." Also, that's another superficial similarity given the fact Hamlet is driving himself mad weighing the gravity of that which he has been forced into whereas Bruce actualizes by dressing up as a bat and beating the shit out of criminals. >They're both detectives, too.Eh, not really. Hamlet using the play to judge the guilt of Claudius based on his reaction isn't quite the same thing as using sci-fiesque tools to uncover what's behind a crime from scratch. Also, Hamlet's plans are pretty half-baked which is why so many people end up dying by the end of the play.>He said it because he's a classically-trained actor and can notice similarities in character motivationsI don't care, anon. Your appeal to authority has no weight behind it when you fail at arguing why it's right and understanding why it's wrong. Again, he probably meant it as a hot-take compliment in that both literary worlds demonstrate complexity and depth of character.
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>>25175099>we need a gorzillionth reich to wipe BBC off the planetNo need. Just abolish the licence fee and fund the BBC by subscription. The parasite will die overnight,.>in a show you haven't watched based on a play you pretend to have readNow you're just projecting.>>25175193Was Welles making a cheap and laboured political point? If so, then fuck him too.>>25175296>I have no clue what you mean by authentic adaptation.Then you must be pretty slow. I meant true to the medieval setting, with authentic costumes, props and locations.It's got nothing to do with how the play would have been staged at The Globe. The Hollow Crown is big-budget film, not theatre.
>>25177548>Was Welles making a cheap and laboured political point? If so, then fuck him too.He was a hack who could not do otherwise.
>>25175672>>25175689I thought Gotham liked Batman? Maybe it’s just modern Batman they don’t like but back in the mid 20th century he was a well beloved hero in his city who had a little boy dress up in skimpy clothing to beat up hardened criminals with, makes him more like a vigilant Oscar Wilde than that of a Shakespearean character.
>>25177570>The other motive>Why to a public count I might not go,>Is the great love the general gender bear him,>Who, dipping all his faults in their affection,>Would, like the spring that turneth wood to stone,>Convert his gyves to graces
>>25177576Okay but where was hamlet’s pre pubescent slave?
>>25177570>I thought Gotham liked Batman?Nope. Him operating outside of the law and the the morality of such is a common theme with the character. There was a moral panic over comicbooks in the 40s/50s which lead to the Comics Code Authority being created and subsequently cracking down. This is what lead to Batman becoming less violent and campy during the 50s/60s. Starting in the 70s, with its economic recession and rising crime, Batman shifted back to being a darker more morally complex character.
>>25177548The play is obviously not medieval in its core, it makes lots of contemporary similar to Disney cartoons set in the past. Shakespeare even talks about clocks and spectacles in plays set in ancient Rome. In King Lear set in pagan Britton he makes a reference to a guy showing his loyalty by indicating he is in the Church of England by saying he doesn't eat fish (which Catholics did a lot during lent).The series uses pseudo historical costumes but only a boomer would think it is intended to be historically accurate in any way.
>>25177596Is that why that 90s Romeo and Juliet movie is purposefully anachronistic? Huh? Never thought about that.
>>25177600Most stagings of Shakespeare are. The Globe tries to simulate historical stagings of Shakespeare's time but generally only films try to make the costumes look really authentic for the period the play *takes place*, and half just go with a modern setting. The Hollow Crown as a series goes with costumes that are about audience expectations, not historical accuracy. If you want historically accurate costumes for the period, see Olivier's Richard III
>>25177596>The play is obviously not medieval in its coreBut the BBC adaptation is. Slow is as slow does ...
>>25173053My favorite interpretation is the voices of characters mixing with Prospero's almost until the very end, implying he is indeed a magician orchestrating the whole cosmos through his books AKA "Fortune, now my dear lady."
>>25177632It's not. It just uses costumes and props that in accord with the tropes of the Middle Ages in cinema. The high middle ages would be fully of bright colors but cinematic convention is to depict them in sadd colors which came put of Calvinism. The series depicts what the audience expects a medieval setting should look like, it has nothing to do with being medieval, it is theatrically medieval.
>>25177642The end makes it pretty clear that Prospero is Shakespeare which is in keeping with the belief among many that Shakespeare played the part and that the play is an allegory for him retiring from writing plays
>>25177642>>25177645It’s a well thought out look into the artist behind the work I’ve seen nowhere else with screen adaptations of Shakespeare. Though I haven’t seen many.
>>25177645>the play is an allegory for him retiring from writing playsIt might have included such an idea at the end, yet it does really perplex me how much he sacrificed for such volition. The plot of The Tempest would have worked better with Prospero as an antagonist.
>>25177659Not at all since the play is about forgiveness which was the crucial ethic to Shakespeare. Shakespeare himself was a moneylender like Shylock and Shylock's failing is his inability to forgive, this is how Shakespeare distinguished himself from him. Shakespeare irl was most likely letting everyone know who pissed him or wronged him, that he wasn't going to use his influence to hinder their futures and that he was burying the hatchet
>>25177670>the play is about forgiveness Yes, but not the plot. Hamlet was so great because Shakespeare changed very little from Amleth (Saxo Grammaticus), its source; The Tempest, on the other hand, is very disappointing in this instance, for if you look at Magic Flight fairytales, or plays inspired by such folklore — such as The Comedy of Beautiful Sidea (Jakob Ayrer) — the all-powerful wizard, king, giant, or whatever maintains the enslaved prince with no good intention, and is never convinced to spare him even by his own daughter — thence why the pair always flees in such stories. The fact Shakespeare changed the magic flight to be about Caliban instead of Ferdinand and Miranda, and made Prospero a hero, is the one to blame for the "plotless" feel this play gets.
Speaking of The Tempest can anybody recommend a good version on disc reasonably faithful to the play? I only know of the Jarman and Taymor versions and both are gross and weak. It sounds like another loose adaptation is what‘s being discussed here. I‘m considering the one with Christopher Plummer. Something which uses the Sibelius music would be cool but isn‘t necessary. As much as anything I‘m just surprised that seems to be so underutilized by directors.
>>25173370Tennant is so bad at Shakespeare and the tiny pixie like transman playing Malcolm in his Macbeth was fucking cringe
>>25173197Throne of Blood and Ran, also Julie Taymor's Titus and Derek Jarman's The Tempest
>>25177690The plot is, yes, it was set in motion by Prospero being betrayed and becoming a magical Robinson Crusoe. The love-arc is a subplot that Prospero himself basically concocts.
>>25173045Agreed which is a shame because Benny C house of cardses the shit out of his performance.Also Kenny B’s Henry V remains the best one, better luck next time hiddlediddlers.
>>25177843B is a fucking terrible actor and overacts everything to shit and miscasts the shit out of himself. His obliviousness to his own campiness would have worked great for Richard III or Coriolanus but is terrible everywhere else.
>>25177869Why do people want Hamlet to be a reserved modern? Branagh playing him as an indulgent romantic is objectively correct.
>>25177900Hamlet was indecisive, resentful, and wishy-washy and even considered he would rather just kill himself than get his nut up. He is very human. He isn't reserved since he is feigning being crazy/stupid but he isn't a romantic at all, he's extremely jaded and cynical
>>25177900He was too old and he pretty much has the same persona in all of his Shakespeare roles (i e. if it wasn't for the content of his lines they'd be the same character). Overrated actor.
