How do you practice it? How do you achieve it?
>>25175546Engaging in rape
>>25175546I bought unique and its property because someone here memed it in a thread I made requesting nonfiction survival stories, and I used to be into philosophy when I was younger, and holy shit, does that book fucking suck. It's just 500 pages of some loser teacher wagecuck trying to come up with every permutation of the words god, spirit, wisdom, etc until his circlejerk incel friend group deems him 'cool'. If you want self-enjoyment and happiness I recommend you stop reading lame philosophy books asap unless the author is advocating for something concrete, pragmatic, and immediately applicable.
>>25175697Eh, he's not necessarily "useless" if you're interested in self-improvement lit, but it is a very very overdone book that could lose 2/3 of the page count and not much meaning. You do have to parse things out of it yourself and they're still more theoretical and abstract than practical.For what it's worth, here's how I understand him in as-practical-as-you-can terms. You know how people say "there are no atheists in the trenches" and this is usually an own against atheists? Stirner's point is that there is no problem with that fundamentally. You are you, and any attempts to "describe" you to an identity like "I am an atheist" or "I believe in Christ" or "I am a /lit/ user" etc. are restrictions and simplifications, there's a part they fail to capture. They are necessary, of course, humans find it difficult to live without having some idea of who they are and what their mission is. But at some point you fail to live up to the ideal image of what an identity expects of you, it starts chafing and torturing you instead of helping you - e.g. an atheist faced with the prospect of impending doom may want to choose to believe in god because there's no hope to be found elsewhere. The only problem with doing that in Stirner's view is that in practice you have an internalized drive to be consistent and you're going to be riven with a feeling of guilt for "betraying your old identity". His advice then is to kill your guilty conscience cold. Internalize that you are you and all other identities that you adopt are to be adopted and discarded as necessary. You do not serve a greater ideal, an ideal that you, for a time, adopt serves you. A good example would probably be Mousqueton's father from The Three Musketeers. He's a highway robber in a war zone between catholics and huguenots. He is able to adopt a mixed belief: when he sees a catholic travel, he is a huguenot, and when he sees a huguenot travel, he's a catholic, and he robs anyone without any guilt whatsoever. He dies when two travelers, a catholic and a huguenot, put their differences aside and hang him. But the man was smart and raised Mousqueton a catholic and his brother a huguenot, which is why after he dies, Mousqueton can kill the huguenot and his brother can kill the catholic traveler in revenge.
>>25175549kys
Detachment from the scrutiny of others and looking inward to one's own higher needs (intellectual satisfaction, novel and meaningful experiences, creative expression, etc.) over "baser" needs (material greed, gluttony, social position, approval of others, etc.).And I'm failing spectacularly on all of these fronts, so that's all I can offer you.
Beeing myself. Taking action without forcing it. Achieving wu wei. More or less, simply doing whatever I want whenever I want.Most people fail in doing this. They do not act with themselves, but with an external thing against themselves. They say that they do things out of duty, or justice, or honor, or some other made up thing like this. And when this thing inevitably conflicts with their actual desires, the internalized moralizing voice tells them to feel guilty, or to feel shame. In essence they have created for themselves a master to obey.Just don't do that lol.
>>25175549found the christ cuck
>>25176037NTA but this is great, thank you
>>25175697>boughtutterly spooked
>>25175697>the author is advocating for something concrete, pragmatic, and immediately applicable.The whole point of Stirner is that "instructions" for life are retarded and that only self-determination is actually desirable for a self-conscious free man to enjoy his life
>>25176898And I don't disagree with that notion, but I take OP to be one of those people who hasn't figured it out yet that philosophers ALSO have not figured it out yet, so instead of 'thinking' and 'pondering' about what happiness is all day and what has meaning, just go outside and touch grass, figuratively and literally speaking.A good juxtaposition, instead of reading 400 pages of gibberish like unique and its property, read about (or even better, be like) the people who actually embody individualism, like say, George Mallory (the guy who wanted to climb Everest because it was there).
>>25176982>prescribing actionuh oh spookythe only thing you need, is to just bee yourself
>>25176986>spookyEXACTLY. Fuck stirner and any who calls themselves a philosophers. I want my $16 back god dammit.
>>25177003filtered
>you see Your Honour, I should be allowed to do whatever I want and cause as much harm to others as I want because I'm a truly free man and society is a spook
>>25177019>your hono"u"r>I should be allowedspooked as fuck nigga
>>25175549saaar
>>25177043>uh I should be able to do anything with zero consequences because everything is a spookBrilliant and definitely not childish ideology
>>25177066>shoulddidn't read the book award
>>25177069Reading is a spook
>>25177073>the everything is a spook spookspooked^2 award
>>25177087Are spooks a spook?
>>25177107read the book and find out
>>25176982My favorite character from climbing is probably this guy, even though I rarely have respect for commies.> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cesare_Maestri> attempts to climb Cerro Torre, one of the hardest peaks in Patagonia> in 1958, races another team let by Walter Bonatti, which stops short of the summit and call their final point Col of Hope> doesn't make it to the summit either, says "Hope is the weapon of the weak, there is only the will to conquer" and calls his final point Col of Conquest> next attempt in 1959, seems to have failed, his guide died, he lies about managing to do it anyway> is immediately derided in the mountaineering community as a fraud, mountain is unclaimed> comes back in 1970 with five more people and a gas-powered compressor> does not even attempt to engage the mountain's natural features, straight up drills his way upwards with bolts steps> goes up to the end of the rocky part, does not even attempt the ice rime on top since it's not part of the mountain> leaves the compressor bolted to the top> provokes a complete outrage at "desecrating" the mountain and "not giving it a fighting chance", Reinhold Messner calls it "murdering the impossible"> mostly retires from climbing after thatI don't usually enjoy the edgy theatrics but the sheer chutzpah on that man makes me almost respect him. He really just hated that mountain and wanted it absolutely subdued to his will.
>>25177066Jokes aside Stirner does not claim that this sort of thing is just or ethical, nor does he say that he "should be free of consequences" in the sense that if he steals your wallet you should let go and not try to get it back. He's really not very concerned with prescribing a moral system, he's a sort of post-moral-nihilist. The only consequences he wants to be free of are those exacted by feelings of guilt and unfulfilled aspirations - spooks - which are frankly none of your business.>>25177107Sort of! I really don't remember if Stirner writes about this or not, but anyone trying to actually follow his ideas and incorporate him into their personal philosophical system surely understands something buddhists, and other such quasi-nihilist philosophers, have understood for a very long time: being attached to the idea of not being attached to anything is also being attached to something. It's a useful delusion at first, but there comes a time when it's better if you dispel that, too. Certainly something is wrong if you find yourself tortured and conflicted internally because you're not "having integrity as a stirnerite" or something like that.
