>every Nietzsche discussion always devolves into somebody trying to own the chuds with:>Die Juden sind aber ohne allen Zweifel die stärkste, zäheste und reinste Rasse, die jetzt in Europa lebt>actually read Jenseits von Gut und Böse>find out there‘s a bit of theatrics in word choice which doesn‘t really accord directly with the whole passage>he‘s specifically talking about their continuation as a ethno-cultural entity unabsorbed by civic statehood>fairly value-neutral judgement in itself>directly follows it with an example of Germans who do something similar and encourages this>elsewhere in the book calls jews the masters of slave moralityWas leftypol lying or did they just spam passages from wiki without reading it too?
>leftypol lying...they just spam passages from wiki without reading itNietzsche talks about this
rightmiggers are the ultimate goy morality loyalists
>>25177294He loved jews and hated anti-semitic Germans. Hated the German spirit, loved the BASED Old Testament, hated the slavish New Testament. He was an agent of the jews.
>>25177294>>25177294my theory was that he was a contrarian and admired jews for their jewery, rather than sincerely liking jews and their culture. they were the best examples for slave morality and a lot of them contributed to various academic fields and literature of the time so he was willing to make exceptions instead of discriminating all of them like the people in his time
>>25177332This seems pretty close to the mark considering other passages where he says they‘re in many ways both the best and the worst and criticizes antisemitism specifically where it comes from an uncritical reflex; but it‘s tedious when the Kaufmann school is the only one unwilling to admit of it having been a nuanced position. I think Kaufmann was the only liar and everybody else has just parroted him fwiw.
>>25177294>Was leftypol lyingno, Nietzsche knew that jew-hating makes a man retarded>okay but here's my tendentious reading of this excerpt from one of his books where if you squint and cross your eyes he's really saying that jews are actually... le bad!we have his letters where he talks plainly about how he thinks antisemitism is retarded, excoriates his sister for being a jew hater, ridicules a prominent antisemite of his time straight to his face, etc. never got why chuds try to claim nietzsche was secretly le heckin based joo hater, just flies in the face of everything we know about the man + his direct words without irony. you guys should be heideggerians instead, more respectable to do the whole "woa... le heckin based philosopher... hated da JOO!!!" routine because there's straightforward jew-hating in heidegger's diaries
>>25177346> but it‘s tedious when the Kaufmann school is the only one unwilling to admit of it having been a nuanced position.>I think Kaufmann was the only liar and everybody else has just parroted him fwiw.this some guy who reinterpreted nietzsches work? i’ve only read a couple of his books but i try to stick to what he wrote. especially in the case with nietzsche since everyone wants to interpret him their own way.
>>25177357I wonder why they call them the madness letters
Bge 23Life -conditioning emotions. This is literally jews
>>25177464are you under the impression that nietzsche didn't talk about how jew hating was retarded until he went insane? you must not have read much nietzsche lol
>>25177522The instances you detailed are from the madness letters. Otherwise it seems that I’ve directly addressed your new vaguepost here >>25177346 if you can even read a 4chan thread.
>>25177544yeah, I wouldn't expect you to know the march 23rd 1887 letter to Fritsch>but but but but that's insanity letters!!!nope, predates his collapse>but but but that's only one letter!!!one letter that you didn't know about, that directly contradicts you, that's one of many you're not aware of
>>25177438He was a translator & biographer
>>25177346>>25177332The small brain take is that Nietzsche was a philosemite. The medium brain take is that Nietzsche was an antisemite. The big brain take is that Nietzsche was a philosemite. It's the bell curve meme all over again anons
With Nietzsche you have to look at the big picture, some passages are contradictory if you read them too literally.When you read more of his stuff it's pretty clear what parts of Jewish culture he admired and which he didn't.
>>25177357Seething jew.
>>25179844>Seething jewlike I said, you people should really be heideggerians
>>25177759>but but but that's only one letter!!!Are you attempting to inb4 the thing which proves the extremely restrained relevancy of your assertion? It‘s funny enough that you‘re standing on the claim that I haven‘t read much Nietzsche if I haven‘t read the March 23, 1887 letter to Fritsch; but unless you have an encyclopedic recollection of Nietzsche‘s letters this is all but confirmation of my claim that it‘s uniquely liberal whitewashers who hoard disjointed segments they can use for selective evidence to the disregard of other statements they dislike. Which, again, would be one thing of its own merit and the legitimate relevancy of one letter if a more nuanced perspective—both pro- and anti-jew in places—had not found formulation through his books, however you would rather subordinate them to the March 23, 1887 letter to Fritsch.
>>25179885>you can't just cite that letter okay because... because... uh... you can't!lol>you're being selective! it's barely relevant!I'm citing the man's direct thoughts, the ones he expressed to friends, acquaintances, and relatives, free from misdirection, parody, or satire. you're gesturing toward a red-thread corkboard in your head where X passage from Y book is actually secretly ironically jew-hating when pressed backwards against Z excerpt from blah blah blah>he was actually pro and anti jew in places so its complicated (by which I mean he was secretly anti-jew but it just sounds like he was pro-jew because he admired their conniving scheming underhanded insular jew-y ways, not actually them or their culture)this is so powerfully retarded lmao>but but but but one letter! just one letter!!!okay here's more, let's start with another letter, march 29 1887, also to Fritsch, which you also are unaware of>Believe me: this abominable 'wanting to have a say' of noisy dilettantes about the value of people and races, this subjection to 'authorities' who are utterly rejected with cold contempt by every sensible mind (e.g., E. Dühring, R. Wagner, Ebrard, Wahrmund, P. de Lagarde — who among these in questions of morality and history is the most unqualified, the most unjust?), these constant, absurd falsifications and rationalizations of vague concepts 'Germanic,' 'Semitic,' 'Aryan,' 'Christian,' 'German' — all of that could in the long run cause me to lose my temper... And finally, how do you think I feel when the name Zarathustra is mouthed by anti-Semites?here's a draft of a letter he was going to send to his sister in December 1887>Now it has gone so far that I have to defend myself tooth and nail against those who confuse me with these anti-Semitic canaille; after my own sister, my former sister, like Widemann more recently, has given the impetus to this most disastrous of all confusions. After I actually read the name Zarathustra in the Anti-Semitic Correspondence, my patience came to an end — I am now in a state of self-defense against the party of your husband. These accursed antics of the anti-Semites shall not sully my ideal!!from a letter to Overbeck, march 24 1887>The anti-Semites are enamored with Zarathustra, 'the divine man'; and there is a particular anti-Semitic interpretation of it, which made me laugh greatly... [a thorough list of German Jewish artists and scholars] would be a good contribution to the history of German culture, and criticism of it."from a letter to von Meysenburg, spring 1884>For heaven's sake do not think of mediating and conciliating: between a vengeful anti-Semitic goose [FN's sister] and me, conciliation is impossible.to his sister, dec 26 1887>It is a matter of honor for me to be absolutely clear and unambiguous about antisemitism, namely to reject it, as I do in my writings.like I said, too much jew hating makes a man retarded
>>25177294Like most things Nietzsche his judeo-philia was just him taking the opposite opinion of Wagner to spite him. There's no real thought put into it.
>>25179905Didn't he hold a grudge against Wagner all his life and write various works against him PURELY because Wagner was notoriously antisemetic?Wignats trying to push Nietszche is a fucking meme. It's clear literally nobody gas ever read his shit. His sister was the one who mainly pushed le ubermensch interpretation that edgelords believe in nowadays, and she was as much of a total fucking loser as he was. Fuck nihilists in general
