I remember school and university, where trying to get good grades and paying attention in class made teachers and other students think I'm a nerd, when I would actually just study, say, math on my own, with a tutor, in class, read about it online and still barely pass exams and testsI easily learned english as a child, but when it came to learning a third foreign language in school I was very below average, one of the worst students in my group, it was humiliatingI've now tried to learn a few languages (French, German, Latin, Spanish, Russian, probably a few others I've forgotten too) and I've struggled with them a lot, even studying every day for 3 hours (I did manage to keep up that pace) would generally not net me anything. it doesn't help that there are so many charlatans in the language learning "hobby space" that you don't even know what "method" to use while learning a language. probably the worst thing is that language learning communities are full of intelligent people who have many languages under their belts and this is their special interest and you can't compare yourself to themI like reading books and don't really like video games or TV, so I spend a large chunk of my free time reading. I know a bit about history, philosophy, things like this which automatically make other people think you're intelligent, but it's a bit of an illusion and I've disappointed pretty much every teacher I've had in my life. in general I am a pretentious failure who is well read enough, knows about history, philosophy and thinks he's intelligent, so I can discuss things with other people, but honestly, with the philosophy that I've read it's more that I memorized the logic but don't actually understand anything at all. it would take one actually intelligent person who's read enough as me to show that I'm just a complete fraud and retardI'm too stupid and lazy to ever learn another language
>>25180947Reading a lot can easily trick others and yourself into thinking you are smarted than you actually are. I know from bitter experience.
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>>25180971it really can do thatI like reading for the sake of reading, because it's interesting to me, but I'm just as unintelligent as I've always been, it's just that reading books is not really that common these days, so reading famous works will impress othersI really would like to learn another language though, it's just that it's such a demotivating struggle>>25180987lol
Reading is actually one of the best ways to learn a language. Start with baby shit and gradually increase difficulty until you're reading pretentious novels in your TL. It really doesn't take any intelligence, just perseverance and a lot of free time.Also, if it makes you feel better, you probably are smart, most people on 4chan are above average intelligence. The blackpill is that it's not enough to succeed in life. There are many other qualities that are much more important, mainly how much other humans like you and how much you can bullshit them to give you resources and opportunities.
>>25180947We are similar, but not identical. I score about 100 on IQ-tests, but everyone I know thinks I am a legitimate genius. I know they do because they constantly tell me. I know better though. I am just unusually interested in logic, and especially logical fallacies. I use this internal library of logical fallacies to check my own claims so that I don't end up saying something that someone can dismantle, and I am somewhat well read. I've become so good at checking my claims that it happens automatically in RL debates. When I relax however, that ability flies out the window, and I say the dumbest things you can think of. Things that, when I reflect upon them, are so dumb I feel ashamed. Still, even my wife, who has known me for 15 years, is convinced that I am super intelligent. I have argued with her about this, because there isn't a single fucking shred of evidence that supports her claim that I am. I have made terrible choices in my life, choices that have left me physically disabled, and I have failed spectacularly at almost everything I have tried my hand at. I am currently long term unemployed, and she insists that I should stay at home and work on my books because she's convinced I'll make it as a writer. It doesn't matter that I tell her I can't get anywhere with any of my drafts. One day, she will realize I'm just as dumb as I say I am. Everyone I know always comes to me for advice, which is hilarious, because I don't know the answer to what they should do in their lives. And why tf ask me anyway, when I have failed so utterly?It's all because I read a lot and have some special interests. It's got nothing to do with my qualities as a person. Not a single damn thing.
>>25181017do you mean comprehensible input? I tried a few of those nature method books and I felt like I wasn't learning much apart from vocabulary
Learning a language is almost all time investment. Everyone, even the dumbest of dumbfucks, learns a language naturally. Only exception are nonverbal autists and retards.
>>25181029Yes, that's the technical term for it, but I find that CI is a buzzword these days and people attach a lot of weird connotations to it.I'm talking specifically about reading and looking things up, as well as focusing on adapted material first to keep your cognitive load manageable and avoid frustration. You build vocab progressively and alongside it you also build an implicit understanding of grammar because you're going through a lot of sentences and noticing patterns. The nature method books are one example of adapted material, but there's also all kinds of graded readers, podcasts, videos, that are more engaging and less repetitive.This is an example of a reading ladder for German:https://rentry.org/german-readersBy the end of it, you would be able to read actual German literature.
>>25180947You are suffering from envy and you're trying to take on too much at once. You can't measure up against everyone at the same time. When you choose something new to study you are letting yourself enter a vulnerable trance state, When you fail and feel sad you are entering a vulnerable trance state, Every failure is chipping away at the protective barrier between the soul of you and the outside world. There was never an obligation for you to not disappoint your teachers or make the grade, and you are good enough because showing off intelligence isn't what makes a person capable of good, in fact you've witnessed that those who are exemplary at it mainly just cause envy or annoyance in others. Pull back and consider what's really important to you, and you've learned to identify missteps in your struggles. You are doing great.
>>25180947I will take you at your word, OPI will assume you're not just doing the normal demoralization thread.here, to convince smart people being smart is really being dumb.so, to that end...what do *you* feel, are the qualities that would show intelligence. I'll check back some other time. to see if you're a real person or just another demoralization shill.
There is nothing I hate more than a pretentious pseud. You can ALWAYS tell when some dipshit thinks parroted opinions they don't understand makes them smart or something. Unfortunately there will always be hordes of retards clamoring to be king of mount midwit. There are a lot in the language learning sphere because it's very easy to fake proficiency.A close second, however, is the self-hating pretentious pseud. If you have knowledge or ability, just say that you do. If you don't, just say that you don't. Doing the "I suck :(" routine isn't going to get you as much sympathy as you might have hoped. In many ways this self-deprecating act is even more deceitful than the above.In either case, the issue is placing your identity on what other people think you can do. That's retarded. If you don't know something, or don't have some ability, who cares? I can't draw or write for shit. I can't play chess for shit. I'm not going to pretend like I can. On the other hand, I'm not going to pretend like I'm a dumbass or don't know about things just to appease people or appear humble. If I were a genius on a planet of retards or a retard on a planet of geniuses, I would not think more or less of myself.Just be honest and straightforward. >t. 160iq+
>>25180947sounds like the impostor syndromedon't worry, many inteligent people suffer from it, the likes of physicians etc.
