pic unrel. Most arguments against suicide I've read are incredibly weak and essentially unsubstantiated when subject to hard questioning. Kant and Aristotle are especially distasteful, and I find their legalistic arguments to be feeble and disengaged from the subject. They strike me as people who can't comprehend suicidality and thus argue from a flat and simplistic perspective. Surprisingly, economists like Adam Smith and Marx, whom I wouldn't consider to be particularly strong moral or existential philosophers, lay groundwork to extrapolate a reasonably succinct line of thought pertaining to suicide. Suicide is discouraged because people are human capital, thus a suicide is a value loss for perspective stakeholders and beneficiaries. Those who benefit most from your labor contributions are at the head of enterprises which hold monopolies on media and culture, thus steering society at large to be deeply disapproving of the taking of one's own life.This is a cynical argument, but it's also a practical argument. At the heart of Kantian and Aristotelian arguments against suicide there is a supposition of altruism as the motivation for these ideas when I have never actually observed altruism as the working motivation for any existent thing.Forgive me if this is garbled, I have a severe case of logorrhea.
>>25183417Now, I would to add that I am not necessarily saying that people are incapable of acting benevolently or in the pursuit of common interest, but rather that selfish desires are the basis for all actions benevolent or malevolent. I am not in the vanguard of Freudian thought, I have many, many reservations with him, but there is considerable truth to his structural model of the psyche and that human beings in their fundament are driven by libidinal and egoic desires above all things that can only later be sublimated into ideals such as benevolence or altruism.
Read Jung. But what is the argument for suicide in the first place? Escaping pain? Do you even know why you have the pain in the first place? Pain is a boundary that tells you when you’re living your life wrongly. Learn the causal sequence of your own false beliefs that led you to this painful place and then you will live well. Repeat ad infinitum, for man is a dynamic creature. You suffer because of blind assumption. Suicide is like burning your entire house down because you have a squeaky door hinge, just fix it. If you’re looking for an ethical argument then Nietzsche’s ethics goes hand in hand with this, and to my mind its the only serious ethical argument. The good that ethics must pursue is relative to us, the only good is what is good for us, i.e. our wellbeing. Suicide does not empower us except in very rare circumstances.
>>25183417I legitimately never saw this as a complicated issue, I live life because I find it to be a joyful experience. The only moment where I would consider suicide is if things are bleak and miserable AND I feel completely powerless, so far I've managed to remain healthy, sane, been able to call everyone retarded, so I keep my optimism even in moments of depression, because I know I have myself, and some power left in me. Most days are boring, I'd like every day to be a joyful experience, but I content myself with a few days in a year, and I think even this little of happiness if enough, and that's how most humans are and can cope living in this mid world, with no aspiration but no struggles, bored with a few good days.
>>25183417One of the problems of suicide is it is a potential social contagion. It can be in a weak form, like copycat suicides or being inspired by that Netflix show 13 reasons why. Or in a more severe form. Like Hitler killing himself in his bunker along with many in his high command. When morale was collapsing and complete defeat was near many contemplated and followed through on suicide.Preventing suicide increases confidence. Allowing suicide deceases confidence
>>25183417every day is a gift, you faggot
