>Our starting point will be not the modern theory of evolution but the traditional doctrine of involution. We do not believe that man is derived from the ape by evolution. We believe that ape is derived from the man by involution. We agree with De Maistre that savage peoples are not primitive peoples, in the sense of original peoples, but rather the degenerating remains of more ancient races that have disappeared.
>>25183903I don't really see the problem OP, why are you mad?
>>25183903Perennialism/Traditionalism/Reaction is just as ridiculous as conservatism and Christianity
>>25183907Guenon's cope for why there are no remains of the ancient Atlantean/Hyperborean civilizations is because everything was made out of wood. I have a lot of respect for some aspects of Perennial thought, but their historiography is bullshit
hes a good example of a historical pseudointellectual
>>25183915It's cause it's unda da sea!
>>25183927>what are plate tectonicsLost continents were debunked in the 1800s
>>25183955what your missing is that their not down but up, it wasnt like they went under the sea but up and we can't find them because of it. /x/ knows this more than /lit/
>>25183909>Darwin>Evolution and Improvement are PossibleStopped reading there. The current evolution dogma is that there is no such thing as "improvement" in a fundamental sense, except for whatever helps you cum inside a woman easier. We're all chemical compounds filled with replicating molecules just trying to survive through the process of reproduction, not because there is a telos in nature meaning to produce beings with higher gradients of conscious, rational thought.The problem is not evolution in of itself, but our understanding of it as a strictly mechanical process.
>>25183927>>25183955lotta of ancient shorelines and river deltas at the bottom the ocean currently
>>25183903I guess those giants stored in the basement of the Smithsonian Institution "evolved" too, right smart guy?
>>25183903He's right. Totally and unequivocally correct.
>>25183903Afrika was the real Hyperborea all along.
>>25183915Why assume they were 'civilisations' as such?Why would primordial man, understood as being in union with the divine and seeing the divine in nature, construct a material civilisation?People think perennialist historiography is crazy because they look at it through the lens of modern materialism.
>>25183977Those aren't riverbeds. They're produced by plate movements (earthquakes/tsunami) and the tides
>>25183968yet the cosmos is structured with the latent potential to increasing complexity and consciousness. perhaps what you just said is nothing but nihilistic brainrot that you desperately cling to as to avoid the moral agency and responsibility that comes with understanding that life isn't utterly meaningless beyond creampeing as many whores as possible?>The more I examine the universe and study the details of its architecture, the more evidence I find that the universe in some sense must have known that we were coming. -Freeman Dyson, Disturbing the Universe, pg. 250Materialism is an unproven metaphysic, btw
>>25183992shut up retard
>>25183981Proofs?
>>25183991In that sense, it's unassailable because it's just a value judgment, but it's one I disagree with. I do consider a morevtechnologically/scientifically advanced world to be superior to a less technogically advanced world. Material wealth is a far better metric than abstract unfalsifiable ideas of spiritual development. The cavemen would certainly rather live in an apartment above a pizza place than in a freezing tent where they have to hunt to eat
>>25184007Bugman
>>25183996>what you just said is nothing but nihilistic brainrot that you desperately cling to as to avoid the moral agency and responsibility that comes with understanding that life isn't utterly meaningless beyond creampeing as many whores as possible?Why are you blaming me though? These aren't my own words, but what the "experts" are claiming. Men like Richard Dawkins who asserts everything is downstream of pure mechanism and nothing more. Denis Noble is right that there is a ploy in academia to remove any and all references to teleology in the sciences.
>>25183977Lemuria and Mu definitely weren’t real, but Hyperborea/"Agartha", PIE heimat, could have been Doggerland. There also could have been a civilization in the Persian Gulf: Dilmun. Maybe Dilmun was prominent before Sumeria.
>>25184009I will not live in the tent and eat the placenta. I will live in an air conditioned home with electricity and eat spaghetti bolognaise
>>25184024You vill live comfortably in the pod and eat ze bugs like a good goy.
>>25184024Enjoy it while you can. Your time is almost up.
>>25183909>purely abstract human beings where biological sins (gender, ethnicity, caste) are eliminatedThe categories visibly break down here, eliminating the sins of biology could easily be framed as a Rising Beast philosophy.
>>25184015Well they're clearly myopic sophists. I dont even want to hinge anything on pure teleology, rather that theres a rational order to the universe given its laws and it naturally evolves towards obtaining those potentials eventually, with complex, human-level consciousness adding a new level of dynamism that this kind of sophistry strives to neuter. I don't know how anyone can possibly take Dawkin's and what he peddles seriously in 2026.>>25184018I think theres more than a good chance bronze age-tier civilizations were in the old Mediterranean basin and North American coastlines. Not some Atlantean or Gram Handcock psychic supercivilization shit though.
>>25184029>Enjoy it while you can. Your time is almost up
>>25184024>spaghetti bolognaiseLiteral peasant fare.
>>25184035>Literal peasant fare
>>25183903If apes evolved from humans, how come there are still humans?
>>25184033Also the China-Korea-Japan & SEA landbridges had the same civilizational potential, especially the former.
>>25184036This is what my ancestors had for dinner every day medcuck.
>>25184007You believe what you want, but if you want to understand perennialist view if history it helps to understand their stated position.The entire philosophy is based on the idea that we've migrated from an inner to an outer mode of living. Whereas we used to live inwardly, I direct relationship with God and the vertical, now we relate to the world purely in horizontal terms (i.e. through the senses, the material world as the summit of all existence, etc).The point is a hypothetical primordial civilisation in light of the perennialist understanding could be seen as being coherent with an absence of material culture. Alternatively, as someone else mentioned ITT, it could have been that these primordial civilisations relied exclusively on organic materials, which decay. There's also a serious case being made in mainstream anthropology that homo sapiens could be upwards of one million years old, which would radically alter how we understand prehistory.These are just some of the ways Evola and Guenon's theories on prehistory could be made credible.
>>25183903The fact that otherwise intelligent young people waste their time and energies with obvious nonsense such as Evola isn't an indictment of our civilization, not just their character.
>>25183909Your understanding of Traditionalism is crude.It's not that the world is in a constant state of decay. It sometimes is, as in the period in which we're now living, but by the same token there can be periods of upswing and positive change. In fact, in standard cosmological cycles, the period of decay (the Kali Yuga) is the shortest.The idea of linear progress/decline, as in certain Christian doctrines, is rejected by Traditionalists in favour of cyclicalism.
I like some of his meta-analysis. A handbook for right wing youth is great, and I didn't mind meditations on the peaks. I read Revolt with no exposure to the man first. Read his Grail book first, don't dive into revolt. Revolt is a fun and interesting read but it's a bit rough going in raw. He's well read in the pali canon and hinduism so if that's your bag you might find some information you enjoy, though his interpretations are obviously shaped by being an italian man born in the 19th century and a traditionalist. Currently reading his doctrine of awakening.I might pick up Ride the Tiger which strikes me as good advice and a new way of looking at some ideas I already hold in general from skimming the pdf. He's worth the read, and he's more fun than Guenon. Just be aware of what you're getting into.
>>25184144Oh, and I'm interested in how his views differ from Guenon. Might be my next stop after Ride.If you just want crazy, get a pdf of Revolt and search for totem or temple, that's the stuff about the peasantry not having souls.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1yeD-hL5-8
>>25184156>zodiac nonsense on the coverInto the trash it goes.
>>25184158>zodiac nonsenseYou don't have to believe in "astrology" in the typical sense, but there is nothing inherently wrong with the tradition of keeping time by the constellations.
>>25184204No need to justify yourself before the Hylics
someone post the exchange between guenon and evola where they debate if his arthritis is caused by dark wizards casting spells on him
Woman-brained>I don't believe what is proven because my feelings, MY FEELINGS MATTER YOU FUCKING ASSHOLE
indeed, there is more proof for Evola's theory than the dominant doctrine of evolution!
>>25184466I personally curse one boomer a day with joint pain and erectile dysfunction due to their role in the ecological collapse and housing market jewry.
>>25184679Yes the astrology proves it, I read it in woman's world
>>25184043porridge?
Macroevolution isn't real.
>materialist retards got filtered by this quoteHilarious.
>>25184658>>25184679Yes. Cope.
