Both Patrick Bateman and Mac the Knife are presented as personifications of capitalism as killers. There are some similarities such Bateman being obsessed with high-end brands, and Mac being similarly fussy in making distinctions between high-end furniture.But otherwise they seem to diverge. Mac only kills as business or where it is simply expected of him and proper for a killer to do so. Same thing with fucking underage girls and prostitutes, mostly because it is proper to his class of criminal--the child who is drugged and raped mentioned at the beginning was presumably not even raped by Mac, rather it was suggested he charged others for it. "Off work" he isn't even particularly violent, just a sort of bourgeois who is incidentally a career killer Taken as personifications of evil, Bateman is evil qua mental sickness, whereas Mac the Knife is evil qua banality as Hannah Arendt describedWhich is a more accurate portrait of pure evil? Or capitalism?
>>25184348Reddit
>>25184371Awoo my MAGAkin fren
>>25184374now definitely reddit
This is a terrible thread and will generate nothing of value.
>>25184348>>25184374Yeah you should go back. Go and make evil scaling shorts with Judge Holden or whatever it is you people do. OP qua faggot
Bertolt Brecht is probably the jewiest non-jew that ever lived
>>25184424Who’s the least Jewish jew- oh wait I already know
>>25184415Keep up those prayers to open the Straight, little orange furry.
>>25184374>only president who has ever stood up to the kikes, big finance and the deep state>anticapitalist hates himReally makes you think....
>>25184431Oh right, incoherent babble, thanks OP. (I assume it’s something trump related, I’m not American so I’m indifferent) You’re definitely adhering to that faggot schtick that is inherent in every OP far and wide. Get your head out of contemporary politics for a second too.
>>25184441Politics is the only subject of consequence. Everything is downstream of the political.
>>25184438>>only president who has ever stood up to the kikesAnon… I…
>>25184441>look bro can we NOT talk about politics when it comes to political literature especially when I am just bitching about how terrible it is to be mean to capitalismHoly FUCK you're a faggot
>>25184449>you're a faggoton real shaky ground there commiekek
>>25184452Homosexuality is championed and spread worldwide by capitalist states and that's always how it's been you third-rate imbecile
>>25184449Oh, and I forgot to mention I’m trans btw
>>25184475No shit, all ideological capitalists are because their mind identifies with the capitalist class while their body is the labor class
>>25184485Why are you replying to yourself again?
>>25184492You're mentally regressing now
why do moralfags only talk about moralityit's tiring
>>25184348idk op i kinda like capitalism, its pretty neat. you’re pretty reductive in thinking capitalism = evil. it’s a really banal thought process and maybe you ought to go somewhere else to talk about it. /lit/ will just call you a tranny or a commie or a faggot.
>>25184498Why do antimoral fags only talk about not talking about moralityThe banality of evil isn't even a moral concept
I like capitalism because it gives me a high standard of livingno need to obfuscate it beyond that
>>25184500It is evil within the context of those. Idk maybe reading and discussing actual books is too hard for you and you should just stick to a politics board
my family is textbook petite bourgeoisie so I'm not going to cosign with an ideology that is slavering to take everything we have and probably kill us depending on how the wind is blowing that day
>>25184505It doesn't. Labor does. Shareholders are not giving you a high standard of living, in fact they pressure governments to increase the money supply because it makes their shares go up as well as your cost of living. Housing spectators are not giving you a high standard of living, they want policy that makes homes unaffordable.
>>25184511it really is this simplenot sure why communists expect people to work against their own self interest
>>25184514hey retard I own both shares and property
>>25184511Capitalism ultimately pushes for downward mobility of the petty bourgeoisie and reduces them to propertilessness. It makes it harder and harder for them and they might last a generation or a few but eventually they downgrade because capital gets more and more concentrated
>>25184516Most people do through retirement accounts. You are not the shareholder participating meaningfully in the decision-making unless you own a lot. Likewise owning property as an individual is ultimately helpless against corporate speculation in property
>>25184521not falling for it lad. already seen how people like us were treated when communism was implemented. you can go fuck yourself with Lenin's preserved corpse.
>>25184515Better quality of society and more job mobility is preferable even for most of the petty bourgeoisie who generally work pretty hard
>>25184529>You are not the shareholder participating meaningfully in the decision-making unless you own a lot.I don't care because the shares still go up>Likewise owning property as an individual is ultimately helpless against corporate speculation in propertyI will own multiple properties that I will rent out by the end of this yearagain, I like capitalism because it benefits me
>>25184534>this time we won't kill you promise :)no thanks!
>>25184532There were no people really like you in most of Russia unless you also think you are like a Southern plantation owner of yesteryear
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>>25184535Then I don't even know what your argument or complaint is here. That it is wrong to ever consider something evil if you yourself gain by it?>>25184542The Russian government prior to communism had no problem killing people. If you identify with that, then you do, but please spare me your moral pleading
>>25184554I'll take that as a yes. You would probably be importing slaves because hiring locals costs too much and you have to treat them too well, helping keep the South in poverty, then be thinking how great you are for doing so
>>25184558you're the one that wanted to argue I just said capitalism is good because it benefits me
>>25184509no but ironically that’s what you should do you fucking retard. go to /pol/ with your tranny arguments.
>>25184568But that's really neither here nor there. Mac believes curting throats is good because it benefits him. It's nothing to do with the discussion of these works at all.
>>25184577I'm not cutting anyone's throat though am I genius
>>25184371Correct. >>25184374Confirmation. >>25184403Correct.
>>25184576>go to /pol/ to discuss three renowned books because they are NOT MAGAwoo-approved
>>25184580But your argument is that if you benefitted by cutting throats then any literature that criticized cutting throats should be hushed-up
>>25184449Those works aren’t political literature though? That’s why I said get it out of your head. So quick to attack, so bitter. Yeah, you’re a faggot alright. Maybe when you turn 18 you’ll stop being such a hostile midwit, though I doubt it.
>>25184585Yes MAGA is anti kike, communism is pro kike. Cry about it
>>25184588>>25184424This autism here is because the work is specifically, overtly, and explicitly anti-capitalist, both in the text itself and in the notes for performance.
>>25184587your argument is that I should actively work against my own self interest and instead work for yoursI never said anything should be "hushed up", you are free to seethe about capitalism all you want as long as you keep paying the rent
>>25184601Your argument was that anything that you benefit by can't be called evil because it hurts your feelings.
>>25184607I never made a moral judgement on capitalism at all, I just said it benefits medo communists not advocate for mass death because they think it will benefit them?
>>25184607Your evil is my good.
>>25184613Capitalists do. Communists just advocate for the workers jointly owning society and the state.
>>25184616Right but your idea of just is just what benefits you, functionally no different from Mac the Knife. Your possessing capital and rent-seeking, doesn't add any economic or social value whatsoever
>>25184617communists advocate for a revolution which is inherently violent????
>>25184504>evil isn't even a moral conceptretard alert
>>25184621Capitalists force them at gunpoint to accept capitalism, e.g. the Taft-Hartley Act and its analogues in various states. Without such laws and many others like them, the free market itself would inevitably gradually result in communism.
>>25184616Bad good. U mad libtard?
>>25184620I don't care about those things. I care about what benefits me and my family personally. I am utterly unmoved by your rhetoric. We have nothing to discuss honestly.
>>25184626You clearly never read the work in question
What a ghastly thread. I hope you all die.Yes, all of you.
>>25184633Is that why you come pissing and moaning in the thread? I'm not here to move you and I don't expect you care about others. I am sure you would approve harming or even killing anyone whatsoever if you gained by it. You insist so. I believe you. You therefore agree with the premises of the books and the thread itself. So what is there to argue about?
>>25184629and communists force people to accept communism at gunpoint what's your pointviolence underpins all ideologies
>>25184428https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ron_Unz
>>25184640I would kick you down a flight of stairs if I gained by it, true. Mostly because you're a smarmy hypocritical cunt thobeit.
>>25184641Communism would inevitably gradually come about through contracts between labor unions and businesses except for the fact that businesses have police and military regulating what unions may ask for. In fact not too long ago unions themselves were illegal
>>25184645No you wouldn't because you're clearly a manlet
>>25184647>Communism would inevitably gradually come about
>>25184652Of course. Unions would inevitable have more and more favorable contracts and more and more leverage. Laws are passed in reponse to that happening
>>25184348>Mac only kills as business or where it is simply expected of him and proper for a killer to do so. Same thing with fucking underage girls and prostitutes, mostly because it is proper to his class of criminal--the child who is drugged and raped mentioned at the beginning was presumably not even raped by Mac, rather it was suggested he charged others for it. "Off work" he isn't even particularly violent, just a sort of bourgeois who is incidentally a career killer"Yeah I'm a murderer and a child rapist but really I can just toggle it off and be normal" is complete drivel. Even the people we know who factually did those things are not normal, they can't even adequately pretend since the psychopathy radiates off them.
>>25184711Macheath is not a realistic character, he is a satire on the idea of the gentleman gangster just as Macheath is in the original Beggar's Opera is a satire of the trope of the gentleman highwayman. Both should be seen in the vein of Martin in Verhoeven's Blood and Guts. But Macheath was after all also in the army with Jackie "Tiger" Brown, and it is made clear that they did those sorts of things in the army. In the book The Short-Timers, Animal Mother brags about hos he blew a lottle girl's head off because he was trying to rape her and couldn't catch her. Watch the 197/'s documentary Winter Soldier. Your way of thinking is comforting I'll admit but it is clear our ruling class has no scruples about massacring innocent children and they can behave quite respectably. That is part of the point of the work.
>>25184647>Communism would inevitably gradually come about2 more weeks bro just 2 more weeks believe me
>>25184348Eichmann in Jerusalem is the most brainless inane dogshit I have ever read in my life. Arendt was not a philosopher, she was just fucking them.
