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This scene is damn funny fucking tribal man taught a thousand year old rapist abomination how to wipe out humanity more efficiently
thoughts on red rising?
I love Wind and Truth. I love the Cosmere.
>Michael Ende>Cornelia Funke>Markus Heitz>Otfried Preußler>Walter Moers>Bernhard Hennenany of them worth reading?
I have a sneaking suspicion that Sanderson-haters will never be real women
>>25184891The charge being made here also makes no sense because Bakker foists his anti-realism onto his ubermensch as well, so at no point do we ever get any inkling of why the Dûnyain find one outcome more worthy of choice than any other (except as proximately ordered to some other outcome). This just leaves an infinite regress. So, if one stops to think of it for a bit, no one's actions in the story are more random and unsupported than the Dûnyain's.If nothing is truly good or bad, then choice is arbitrary. The best Bakker can do here is to have them chasing sheer "self-movement" for the sake of nothing. Likewise, the only foils he creates for Kellhus who resist him are motivated by sheer emotion and self-assertion. The guy is completely blinkered by incoherent voluntarism. The books are still fun but they're actually a sort of reductio against his philosophy.
>>25184896Love it. Someone mentioned the Darrow versus Fa scene as one of the best duels in fantasy, and that's true, but the duel in Golden Son and the duels in Iron Gold are great too. Iron Gold might be the weakest since the first book, but that scene is perfect. [Spoiler] His honor still remains.[/spoiler]
>>25184891>>25184998For instance, the Logos is constantly described as a mere tool in terms of his "Conditioned" as well. It's a pretty glaring problem that people supposedly so smart essentially agree that everything is just pointless rutting appetite, but then regurgitate memes from ancient thought to the contrary (although they are stripped of everything that made them intelligible).
i love to think that the dunyain as chatgpt. They are retarded but there is a chance that people in the story are even more retardedi have not read the second series
>>25184894I really like that the Dunyain are presented as even more mysterious, enigmatic and unknowable than the Consult, Inchoroi and Golgotterath.
>>25184998>so at no point do we ever get any inkling of why the Dûnyain find one outcome more worthy of choice than any otherThis happens though. They talk a bit about it in TTT and it's an important point in the later books in the sequel series.
Has anyone read this?
>>25185083Bakker screencap blogposter is reading this rn iirc
>>25185057Where? The closest thing I recall is an appeal to self-movement, but then when paired with the idea that nothing is good or bad or any more or less worthy of choice, self-movement is irrelevant.Actually, come to think of it, basically every character who isn't just being manipulated has their entire motivation/raison d'être come down to "just because, muh sheer will."I think the problem is this, Scott is running off a bunch of metaphysical assumptions that come out of Christianity (particularly Protestantism) and then trying to blend back in stuff the feels antique. But it doesn't work. He's accepting the Humean premises that lead to: "reason is and ought only be the slave of the passions," but then has his supermen accepting these premises (because of course the smart guys believe what he believes) and yet spouting off Stoic and Platonist platitudes that make no sense paired with this.On top of that, he wants to layer in magic and gods, which makes the entire assumptions of mechanistic causality seem obviously wrong. So funny enough, here >>25184891 Moe rants about the dogmatism of the World Born, then immediately begins restating Dunyain dogma (which is one-way mechanistic causality), even though the topic of debate, prophecy, actually works fine with mechanistic causality because retro causality would be empirically indiscernible from its opposite. It just ends up looking like the author restating his own dogmas (which is particularly clear in Neuropath) and then refusing to challenge those assumptions in the slightest because anyone who disagrees is presented as an easily manipulated cuckold led by delusions (while accepting the author's dogmas turns people into power fantasy ubermen).
Did the Aspect Emperor really need not two, but four books?
>>25185128What would you cut?>The dragon's great girth ran orthogonal to the marmoreal walls as it bellowed—"Cunny! I smell cunny!"
BAKKER?!?!
>>25185088Well where is he? Why the fuck is it 4 books long
Still doing god's work.
Is there any funny modern fantasy/scifi novel that is easy on prose?
>>25185136I would keep this fight but rewrite it completely because the dialogue was bad.Cunny Dragon is funny I guess, but it's so hilarious when comparing that fight and Serwa's dialogue and Cunny Dragon's dialogue with the sheer bleakness of the rest of the book.>>25185128He lost his original editor after the first two Aspect Emperor books, and The Unholy Consult was split up into two books, The Great Ordeal and The Unholy Consult, because it got too big.Maybe if he had his original editor it would still have been three books.
>>25185203have you read all of discworld?
>>25185203Bakker
>>25185245April Fools haha gottem LOL
I understand he wanted it to be a big twist that the Dunyain had taken over the Consult, but could he not atleast have given us a good battle between Kellhus and Mekeritrig? I was excited to see what Aurax would be like too seeing as during the series only Aurang was shown.
>>25185212Yeah, it was great. A bit too self-important, but some writers are talented enough to make it work.
Are Sanderson books as Reddit as those D&D cartoons of Amazon Prime?
>>25185203Red Shirts.
Oh come the fuck on Bakker, OFC Serwa is doing incest, because you cannot have a female character in focus for more than 6 pages without them having sex.Should be "The Moid that Cooms Before, During, and After." The man is definitely pornsick.
>>25185284A-are you a girl (female)?
>>25185274He's a recovering Mormon.
>>25185284Why the fuck people get so fucking offended by every single female representation of women? You're not the woman in the book for Christ's sake.
I'm so cooked. I love science and rationalism, and see the past as a barbaric era of anarchistic violence, stupidity, and nonexistent sewage systems. I admire the future and hold contempt for the past.....but at the same time I love fantasy stories much more than I'd ever love scifi. I love Lewis and Tolkien more than I'd ever love Clarke or Asimov or even Heinlein. My childhood was spent reading JK Rowling (and I feel no shame for it) and Enid Blyton and I still love their works. It's so miserable.
Is the rest of the Hyperion series as good as the first book? I really liked the religious themes at play.
>>25185400No.
>>25185400No
The Unholy Consult book is kinda dark my niggers. I thought it could get much darker after the first trilogy, but here we are.
>>25185355>7 volume epic>Only three female characters out of dozens. One is a sex-crazed crone, the other two are constantly raped throughout and pregnant.>Only female character to survive is coerced into being a breeding sow and having 9 kids.>Second series: new female character is pregnant and then under threat of rape. The other is a sex crazed crone again. The other has sex with every male character she is near, and then her big shining heroic scene is literally against a dragon talking about her "maidenhead" the whole time, before it degenerates into it just screaming "CUNNY!" in bold text.>Only other plot relevant women are legit breeding sacks.
