Is it possible to do this webnovel thing if you write slowly?

>>25187591
If you've got a huge backlog, maybe. But probably not. Writing is a skill, though, so there's ways to write more / faster.

>>25187591
The less you follow the meta, the better your writing has to be and the slower you'll pick up an audience. But it's not impossible, just extremely unlikely.
How slow are you talking? 1 big chapter a month is the feasible minimum, I think. Mother of Learning had a release schedule like that

>>25187591
Anything can work. Popularity is largely a product of raw luck.

>>25187639
Following a major trend e.g. archmage is a provable strategy. But besides something like that, IN GENERALY, yeah it's a lot of luck and basically just rolling the dice until you get 10 consecutive double 6s

>>25187639
Luck has fuckall to do with it. You follow the meta down to a T from release schedule to chapter length, prose style, tags and tropes, and you'll succeed. Do anything else and you'll go ignored. I spent a decade fighting against this before admitting that it really do be like that

>>25187819
Wrong.

>>25187820
What an argument, retard

>>25187827
We don't sign our posts here.

>>25187819
who?

>>25187819
Truke

if its luck why can some authors make fresh pen names and hit top rising stars every time?

Lost one follower on rr and gained one on spacebattles and scribblehub each, its the smol wins that count

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>>25187065
I was hoping I could get some more opinions on this, is royal road really the only option? The replies I got kind of shit on the other options

>>25187585
Thank you

>>25187898
>I was hoping I could get some more opinions on this, is royal road really the only option? The replies I got kind of shit on the other options
Royalroad not good enough for you or what?

>>25187873
they can't

>>25187898
The best site depends on exactly what your story is and somewhat on what your goals are. So more info is needed.

>>25187898
just fucking upload everywhere simultaneously

>>25187921
Yes, they can. Not every successful author but there are some who very much can. Melas is known for having a bunch of pen names that all did well, for example

>>25187945
no, they can't

>>25187946
I literally gave an example lmao. I'll leave you to your cope then

>>25187952
you didn't give a single applicable example

don't think I don't know

>>25187962
I have no idea what this means but im sure you've invented some bizarre cope for Melas in specific, then
What about that villainess story author who released an archmage story and it blew up before ever associating? MLA author did it too, talked about it in The Order--had written successful stuff already.
Does 2 times not count? Has to be 5? 10?

>>25187968
>before ever associating
lol

>>25187969
the villainess story made the association post after the new story was already topping RS

>>25187971
whatever you say bud

>>25187975
I guess it wouldn't be cope if you broke free of your delusion so easily

>>25187819
If it was reproducible then it would be.

You have no way to refute this.

>>25187986
It is reproducible and skilled authors do.
If you suck and dont know what people like then obviously you personally cant.

>>25187898
Webnovel is aggressively predatory and mostly a slopsite
Wattpad is not for original fiction
your best bet is posting both on RR and SH

>>25187989
It isn't reproducible, as is thoroughly evidenced by the fact that popular shit continues to remain in the 0.01th percentile of all works. If it was reproducible, then it wouldn't be a minority.

Like this is exceedingly simple logic and your worthless grifting trendchasing slop meta advice just completely falls apart upon the most basic scrutiny.

>>25188000
it's "theoretically reproducible"
but it's not "practically reproducible"

>>25188010
Actually, the correct term is "not reproducible."

>>25188000
>It isn't reproducible, as is thoroughly evidenced by the fact that popular shit continues to remain in the 0.01th percentile of all works. If it was reproducible, then it wouldn't be a minority.
This is absolute nonsense. 0.01% of people are successful because very few people are good enough at writing and marketing to make a hit.
I'm not saying any random author could follow steps X, Y, Z and be successful. Most people have no writing chops or any other redeeming quality, the same way most people can't become a professional basketball player.
But a tiny percentage of skilled authors can (and do) reproduce their success on new pen names with great frequency. I can't possibly see how this doesn't prove that it's not luck.
Unless you mean it's luck to be born intelligent or talented or with a mind for mass appeal or any of the many other facets. Which is definitely true to some extent. But also pathetic to whine about.

>>25188017
>very few people are good enough at writing and marketing to make a hit.
Plenty are just as good or even better than what gets popular and yet they don't.
>I'm not saying any random author could follow steps X, Y, Z and be successful.
Which means it's not reproducible.

You come into every single thread and shit it up with dozens of these worthless "do this to get rich quick sir!" posts when one fucking look at reality reveals that you don't have a single clue.

>>25188025
>Which means it's not reproducible
Not at all and you repeatedly insisting otherwise is clear nonsense to anyone reading this conversation.
It is not reproducible by bad writers. The process IS reproducible by good ones, as evidenced by authors who do exactly that.
Very, very simple logic and it blows my mind you can't follow it.

The pedantry on word choice is pointless anyway. Stop running with your tail between your legs and answer: if it was a 1 in 20,000 lottery system (luck) why do some of these top authors make fresh pen names and succeed repeatedly? Are they just God's chosen and unfathomably lucky?

>>25188040
they leverage their old names for free advertising

>>25188044
I have named ones who did not. Please follow the conversation.

>>25188048
you didn't name a single one

>>25188050
I mean I can't have a conversation with someone who just lies about what's sitting 10 posts up. So I guess that's that.

>>25187898
Because everyone here doesn't branch out of the main places, I'll give you an actual answer for alternatives to RR, especially if you aren't following LitRPG/Progression RR meta.

>Honeyfeed
https://www.honeyfeed.fm/
>small close knit community
>does not allow AI assisted writing content
>growing quickly

>Moonquil
https://moonquill.com/
>almost no community, but plenty of readers who will never respond to you
>if you have a finished book with more than 80k words you are offered a contract and publishing deal with pretty good contractual terms
>overall pretty lax

>Inkitt
https://www.inkitt.com/
>webnovel but 50% less predatory
>your book will be used to train AI models
>you have to publish frequently to stay on their good side

>>25188025
>>25188015
>>25188010
>>25188000
>>25187989
The only actionable advice for RR is to post a new chapter at least 3 times a week, and post at least 20k words when you first commit your novel.
Every other piece of advice including meta writing is moot.
>If everyone is meta, nobody is.
Alternatively
>If everyone is playing meta, play anti-meta.
It's easy as fuck to stand out if everyone is the same.

>>25188098
Rather than lying to people, just encourage them to write for fun and not for success.
>The only actionable advice for RR is to post a new chapter at least 3 times a week, and post at least 20k words when you first commit your novel.
>Every other piece of advice including meta writing is moot.
Writing to meta is honestly more influential than posting speed. A once-a-week litrpg is going to have much better odds than a three-times-a-week historical literary novel.
Not sure why you picked posting speed as the only rule lol

>>25188118
the obvious solution, then, is to have a three-times-a-week litrpg

>>25188139
Better yet, 5. And give it xianxia elements too.

>>25188118
Because writing meta has nothing to do with success on RR. Simple as. It might have something to do with success in the lit rpg and progression fantasy rising stars category, but it has nothing to do with general success.
Its the logical equivalent of saying
>"if you don't do well on the exam that is 30% of your grade, you will fail the course".
That's not actually true, a majority of your success is determined by everything else you did over semester.
If you did everything else perfectly and didn't show up for the exam, you would still pass.
If you did everything else kinda okay, and you do the exam kinda okay, you'll be better off sure.
It's bad advice to tell someone to follow meta.
>A once-a-week litrpg is going to have much better odds than a three-times-a-week historical literary novel.
A once-a-week litrpg that the author doesn't care about is going to have much worse odds than a three-times-a-week historical literary novel that someone can keep up because they actually enjoy writing it.

>>25188118
>litrpg
what is a litrpg? I hear this term often but I don't get it. Is it like a >>>/qst/ ? People vote on what happens next in the story?

>>25188165
It's solely about the presence of an in-universe stat screen that the main character can look at and use.

>>25188165
>Chad McThundercock gained +5,000 EXP!
>*Ding!* Chad McThundercock has advanced to Level 1,452!
>Chad McThundercock gained +154G from the Mind Goblin.
this after every 4 lines of dialogue/narration

>>25188161
>A once-a-week litrpg that the author doesn't care about is going to have much worse odds than a three-times-a-week historical literary novel that someone can keep up because they actually enjoy writing it.
Idk man certain genres simply do not exist on RR with high follower counts. I'm sure those people posting poetry really like their poetry but it gets 0 readers, always.
And I first-hand know authors who don't like litrpg (have said so outright) but trend chased and succeeded
Anyway, even if it was true, doesn't posting speed fall into the exact same category where it's just a % of your total grade? Why did you pose it as the sole mandatory requirement? That's what I thought was weird

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>check thread
>endlessly circling around some stupid bullshit again
>maybe its time to try looking somewhere else to discuss writing and webnovels
>

>>25188165
It's just a fantasy setting where gamelike elements are literally real in the world of the story, often mediated by a "system" acting as the user interface. It's not exactly the same for every story, but, for example, the main character may have a stats, levels, classes, abilities, and the system may give quests, rewards, and achievements. This is all incorporated into the world and the story with varying degrees of authorial incompetence.

>>25188165
The other anons are being too strict in their definition. Some very popular litrpgs don't include stats at all
LitRPG just means the characters in the story interact with and are aware of some sort of in-world "rpg system". I think having classes and levels are the two most fundamental and common elements.

>>25188118
>litRPG WN
>but the game system is based off of FATAL

>>25188165
LitRPG is writing that uses game mechanics to tell the story. As a shorthand for powers, skill, abilities, and physical statistics.
>Progression Fantasy
"John pulled the Blade of Sullen Hymn from its sheath. Its molecule thin edge snapped as it spilled forth the resonant sound passing over its length. He still couldn't believe the magi would give him such a powerful weapon."
>LitRPG
"John pulled the blade from its sheath."
"[Blade of Sullen Hymn] LEGENDARY Artifact Shortsword"
"A blade spilling forth resonant sound across its length. Its molecule thin blade snaps from the resonant energy."
"He couldn't believe he'd gotten such a rare object to drop in so few kills."

>>25188165
the story is set in a fictional setting that has elements seen in video games
its a pretty vague and broad definition

>>25188183
>>25188177
>>25188170
>>25188169
Ah I see, so like those mmo isakais that got really popular in anime/manga for a long time. Strange name, litrpg?

>>25188175
every community has problems but this is unfortunately the one I look at most often. adding usernames ruins everything

>>25188202
Yeah, pretty much.
Seems like a natural label to me. Literary RPG.

>>25188202
it’s just like how western WN sites named isekai portal fantasy

>>25188188
FATAL is genuinely just not functional as a game
I feel like if someone ever manages to play a "full game of FATAL" using all of the major features, every medium, paper or digital, with a copy of FATAL on it will combust, and Byron Hall will keel over dead on the spot.

>>25188205
well its not really self explanatory, like [boys love] , [sci-fi] or [slice of life]. I know what these tags mean without actually ever reading a boys love story. On the other hand litrpg means what? It makes sense now after the fact. [game world] would explain it better I think.

>>25188211
But my oration frequency stat anon!

>>25188098
>>25188118
I don't think there's any piece of advice that will make you immediately win the RR lottery. It is and will always remain a complete gamble. There are some things that make you more likely to win but they're not infallible and the underlying market remains capricious.

>>25188216
No, because I can write a book about someone living in a game world "Ready Player One", without it being a LitRPG.

>>25188175
>endlessly circling around some stupid bullshit again
the difference with discord vs 4chan is that servers have approved-of and codified views on writing/the rr meta
and if you're foolish enough to provide an opposing opinion to the hivemind, you'll be swarmed by the peons, or possibly even one of the "Big Dog Authors" will come and call you out and you'll be expected to bow down to their established authority, because who the hell are you, noname?

>>25188221
Thats true, I suppose its more of a writing style tag.

>>25188219
I didn't say it would help you win the RR lottery. I said
>The only actionable advice for RR...
It doesn't guarantee success, it just improves your odds of success. The more you post chapters, the more content you have, the more people see the work you create.
Just switching genres doesn't necessarily improve your odds of winning. I suck at writing progression fantasy, if I tried it wouldn't be very good.

>>25188224
Who would I trust, noname or the Big Dog Author? Imagine an argument between Anon and the RR equivalent of Stephen King when it comes to selling, lol.

>>25188227
>It doesn't guarantee success, it just improves your odds of success.
But lots of stuff does that. You said everything except posting speed is moot advice. It's just a weird one to pick as the only absolute
Even if I wholeheartedly disagree with your statement about all genres being equal, there's still universally good advice to improve your chances like: use an appealing cover, buy an ad, start with a hook, network for shoutouts, etc.

>>25188230
you're probably the only anon who likes appeal-to-authority lol. just go use discord then

>>25188237
I'm not here to follow the meta. It's simply bizarre that a noname should expect trust or respect without demonstrating worthiness. It's the equivalent of a failed author who starts selling courses to naive people because they can't sell books. Except you're not even selling courses, you're just poor and claiming you know how to get rich, you just haven't done it yet.

>>25188242
So if there were a successful anon here, you'd want them tripfagging on every advice post?
What kind of anon are you

>>25188242
you should engage with substance of an argument with you reason and logic, not by name checking them
dumb retard cattle

>>25188246
>we anons must maintain class solidarity against the capitalists!
>w-wait, where are you all going? Why are you tearing down that wall?!
I mean this respectfully. You have a third world socialist mentality that is constraining your intellect and ability. You think you know what is right based on theory instead of praxis. Where you got this theory and why you're so devoted to it, who knows? The issue is the praxis is right there for everyone to see. Anyone can read a successful story and maybe even an autopsy by the author of what worked and didn't. This is why your theory has little value.

>>25188249
>substance of an argument
Who's arguing? You haven't succeeded yet. Big Name Author has. Your existence is a more truthful argument than any words you could possibly speak.

>>25188253
retard

>>25188242
>>25188249
I can't decide where I fall on this. I actually do think people should look to the professionals when learning something. While being successful doesn't make your advice automatically correct, 0-reader authors give bad advice far more often than authors who have sold 100,000 copies. And as a beginner, you need to get advice from somewhere since not everything is intuitive in life, sometimes you just have to trust the consensus of the many success cases who came before you. Not learning from the lessons of your predecessors is shooting yourself in the foot.
That said, tripfagging has no place on 4chan, it ruins the purpose of the site. So I guess just don't use 4chan for advice. In the end it can only really be used for shitposting and arguing, hence the state of the thread.

>>25188249
>>25188259
I do find it ironic that the guy who said
>you should engage with substance of an argument with you reason and logic
responds with
>retard
instead of engaging with the substance of his argument. I know who you are in this thread. you do this too often

>>25188087
the only good advice in this thread

What would Spectral Soul do in this situation?

>>25188269
In what situation? You didn't quote anything dumbass.

>>25188265
he sidestepped the talking point and outright dismissed the value of all dialogue and conversational exchange
if someone acts like a retard it's stupid to seriously engage with them

>>25188253
I am >>25188246 and you didn't actually answer me with that weird rant. you WANT successful anons tripfagging? because it's not a hypothetical, there's at least one majorly successful anon and several with at least 1k+ followers
that seems gay

>>25188273
>he sidestepped the talking point
I find that 95% of discussions are just two anons mutually misunderstanding each other because they didn't read the post and actually try to understand it. Yes I'm including you who has done it right now

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>if you don't like Discord narcisism you're a Marxist-Leninist shill
I miss when the entire internet hadn't lost its goddamn mind yet.

>>25188279
What if I don't want to understand your point because it's stupid and I don't like you?

>>25188246
>>25188265
>>25188246
If I were tripfagging all the time, you guys would get tired of my shit.

>>25188279
that dude is straight up a low reading comprehension retard of which our thread has many
he didn't realize there was a disambiguation in the topic of conversational argument and thought mention of the word argument was directed to him in particular, and didn't realize what was being pointed out was the intellectual dishonesty of appeal to authority and went straight back to a stupid appeal to it
/wng/'s most active posters are self admittedly ESL and tina who is mentally ill and barely comprehensible on xher best days

>>25188281
Then you shouldn't champion "engaging with the substance of an argument" when you so clearly don't want to. Whether or not I'm wrong with my samefag accusation, you're spiritually that one retard who always does this. Engages briefly while misunderstanding the post he responded to, then continues to misunderstand shit while accusing others of the same thing in hilarious irony

>>25188265
>So I guess just don't use 4chan for advice
You got it. The chan is a sounding board, not a place for thoughtful advice. There are idiots everywhere. It could be you. It could be me. It's absurd to spend months of your life and alter the nature of your story based on the "advice" of anonymous nobodies with zero claim to fame. You're setting yourself up for failure doing that.

>>25188276
>you WANT successful anons tripfagging?
Get it through your head. This is not a discussion about the culture of /wng/. This thread can burn in Hell if posters want. I'm not interested in your anon purity tests, a phenomenon unique to this site. They're stupid and a waste of time, made by someone clearly more interested in /wng/ culture than the success of their own story.
What I am interested in is pursuing story success. I do personally think bigwig successful authors identifying themselves would overall be better for those pursuing that. That's not to say they should (after all, you'd mostly attract unwanted attention as that sort of identifiable poster, given the nature of who posts in this thread), but for those who seek success, it would be better for them if successful authors could be identified. Would you NOT want to know whether you're getting advice from a success or a failure? Why?

>>25188283
every regular in this thread is tired of every other regular's shit. there are no voices here that people respect and appreciate so far as I've seen. besides animeposter who I haven't seen in a while but I come here less and less. so im not sure there would be much difference

>>25188293
Maybe I should tripfag.

>>25188293
Because the culture has been intentionally engineered to not fucking write or share share any work because you know some le epin trole is going to try to sink you by rating your work low or concern trolling on the RR forums about how you're an evil racist 4channer, people on 4chan cannot help but shit where they eat for some asinine reason and it isn't even specific to this general, it's like they won't be happy until the cliquey Discords that they complain about are actually the only place where they can discuss any fringe interests.

>>25187898
>I was hoping I could get some more opinions on this, is royal road really the only option? The replies I got kind of shit on the other options
for monetization? Its about RR or nothing, if you want spendable money assuming you hit a good one

>>25188297
To be fair, I don't think I've been downrated or gotten a weird review from sharing my work here.
You could easily turn this place into a living hellscape by starting to do that.
Problem is you can't review anonymously, but you can anonymously rate a story.
Just rate every story you see here a 2.5/5 there is nothing you can do about it. As the staff at RR said they would only reverse troll 1 star ratings.

Trips should be awarded to only those above 1,000 followers, like imperial regalia.

>>25188297
Also I forgot to add in my anger that this shit was actually WORSE in /wg/ before the divide

>>25188297
>some le epin trole is going to try to sink you by rating your work low or concern trolling on the RR forums about how you're an evil racist 4channer
this has literally only happened to FFF and that's because he's attention seeking and belligerent
that he's a low impulse control sperg and likely sub 90 iq just gives him appeal as a lolcow for dramafags
I don't post my writing because if you even post an excerpt you'll end up on some schizo's excel spreadsheet
the whole appeal of the anonymous format is that your posts are ethereal and you can engage directly with a subject without having to tiptoe around egos but people just try to make everything about them anyways (tina, FFF, fmc schizo) and excel schizo will literally immortalize your innocuous post and make sure its not forgotten

>>25188304
>you'll end up on some schizo's excel spreadsheet
i think that guy actually left which is really nice. in classic pathetic fashion he even made an announcement post about it. but another tard like him can appear at any time

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>>25188087
Thank you, I will check out honeyfeed

>>25187929
Yes I suppose I will do that but I am hoping to funnel some of my twitter followers. So I was thinking its best to send them to one place.

>>25187926
Just an original fantasy, I wanted a site that is very image friendly so I can insert drawings and maybe gifs into the story. Character portraits / establishing shots / comics with characters interacting. Stuff like that to break up the text. I was browsing the catalogues and all the stories I visited seem to be purely text. I suppose the answer is to simply make an account and see for myself.

>>25188304
I second this. The moment you link to your story on RR or post an excerpt, you might as well be using a tripcode.

>>25188315
I didn't say or imply that. shit head

>>25188242
thin. those who can, do. Those who can't, teach.

>>25188269
>What would Spectral Soul do in this situation?
stick a flying sword up his ass and fly around getting his gay jollies off, what else.

>>25188314
>Just an original fantasy, I wanted a site that is very image friendly so I can insert drawings and maybe gifs into the story.
Royalroad then, with ScribbleHub and Ao3 as a weaker second and third. I don't think the others allow images. Not sure if any of them allow gifs, but they might.
SpaceBattles is an option too. If you're looking for max engagement, post everywhere. Little reason not to. Each site has its own little subculture but trad fantasy is a hard sell anywhere.

>>25188280
>I miss when the entire internet hadn't lost its goddamn mind yet.
the smart phone was a mistake, that we can only see in hindsight. when it took a computer, it was better. much better.

>>25188314
I also forgot to mention, you can post your novels to tapas as well.

>Tapas
https://tapas.io/
>primarily for webcomics, but has novels as well
>large userbase with almost guaranteed readers
>if you have more than 250 followers you can monetize, more than a 100 followers gets you discovery features
>readers prefer short chapters as tapas automatically bookmarks for them, around 1k words

A critical reminder to always post to RR first. Posting your work anywhere else will flag it on RR as plagiarism and get you a message from moderation.

>>25188288
>/wng/'s most active posters are self admittedly ESL and tina who is mentally ill and barely comprehensible on xher best days
you don't even know when I'm here. I sit here and watch people calling other people tina left and right some days. i laugh at it. Meanwhile, I'm running under radar and you don't even know.

>>25188323
Posting original fantasy to Ao3 is a fruitless endeavor. It's basically all tumblrette fanfiction.

>>25188330
Posting original (non-litrpg, isekai, power fantasy, etc) fantasy anywhere is fruitless, lol. I think it's roughly as likely to pick up a random straggler or two commenter on Ao3 as anywhere else. Mine did, at least

>>25188329
if tina was a real woman, she might be kinda cute, but alas "xhe" is not, i'd like to find myself an rr gf

>>25188323
wattpad has images

>>25188329
I'm a serial tina accuser
I think its funny to treat every inarticulate and incogent dumbass as you. it's like you're the type specimen for a subhuman species

>>25188335
My bad then
Webnovel at least doesn't, it doesn't even allow italics and bold lol

>>25188332
what is a pen name, alex.
correct.
I'll take things real writers sometimes do for 400, alex.

>>25188331
If you think that RR meta works outside of RR and to an extent KU, then you haven't been outside of RR. Like you think isekai trumps romance or traditional sci-fantasy? You're out of touch my dude. LitRPG / Progression isn't even the most common genre on RR.

>>25188336
>I'm a serial tina accuser
>I think its funny to treat every inarticulate and incogent dumbass as you. it's like you're the type specimen for a subhuman species
uh, sure thing. we all wanna be just like you. you special fucking snowflake.

>>25188340
Real writers pretend to be girls? Eww

>>25188343
...? did I in any way assert that people should be like me or advertise my uniqueness?
I tire of ESLs
I respect wanting to write and share in discourse on webnovels but holy fuck. 90% of posts are completely unrelated to their replies

>>25188341
>If you think that RR meta works outside of RR
What? Where did I say this?
>Like you think isekai trumps romance or traditional sci-fantasy?
The fuck? How could you possibly have misconstrued what I said so much?

All I said is that trad fantasy is a hard sell anywhere. And it is. Even if you try to go trad with it, you'll suffer for years getting rejected and have sub 1% odds of getting published and picking up an audience
Trad fantasy does best on RR but still abysmally, hence you should post everywhere and be happy with whatever stragglers you pick up
Christ, that was a new record for bad reading comprehension

>>25188341
>LitRPG / Progression isn't even the most common genre on RR.
Is this a gotcha statement like the 'drama' tag has more entries by sheer number, even if no one reads them? Because LitRPG and Prog is most definitely extremely dominant on RR if you sort by followers (what people actually read).

>>25188350
>Posting original (non-litrpg, isekai, power fantasy, etc) fantasy anywhere is fruitless
Posting original (non meta) fantasy anywhere (on platforms other than RR) is fruitless (doesn't work)
Are you an actual retard?

>>25188356
I used to make this claim myself. After being called out on it, I checked. Then I learned the truth.

nazi mods are a good thing when I'm the one who gets to decide who gets sent to camps
imagine a /wng/ without that one poster

>>25188366
Based and true, this is why we should just get rid of democracy and have totalitarian dictatorships that kill each other and flip alignments every fifty years or so

>>25188360
>Posting original (non meta) fantasy anywhere (on platforms other than RR) is fruitless (doesn't work)
yes that statement is true. how does it relate to
>If you think that RR meta works outside of RR
>Like you think isekai trumps romance or traditional sci-fantasy?

take your meds

>>25188365
I can only assume you're baiting responses

>>25188379
Even though I know it's bait, I did wonder what the breakdown was so I checked.
21/25 of the most followed are litrpg/progfantasy. Of the remaining 4 without those tags, it's 2 time loopers, 1 xianxia, and a super hero story

>>25188379
I mean, its easy enough to measure empirically. You can just look and compare, LitRPG is a large genre on RR, but it isn't the one with the most followers, highest ratings, most views, largest stories, or any other metric.
It is only popular by recent. Over the long term, other genres pass it in readership.
Much like someone saying their McMansion in the largest house in the neighborhood. Except that one house owned by the MBA all-star on the edge of town, and that other house owned by the executive of big company. But we all know those houses don't really count because they aren't really houses.

>>25188397
It seems like you genuinely believe this, that's fascinating. If LitRPG and Prog Fantasy are not the biggest genres on RR, what are?

>>25188398
Your problem is that you are conflating "highest follower count story" with "number of followers by genre".
One 30,000 follower stories are as popular as six 5,000 follower stories.
Each of the 5,000 follower stories still find success on other platforms like patreon, and no longer get additional followers on RR because their stories have been stubbed.
You are looking at survivorship bias in LitRPG/Progression, because the successful fantasy and sci-fi authors ultimately leave RR.

>>25188414
>stories are
Geez, I did mean "story is"

Any good software, writing or otherwise, recommendations for getting web novel chapters transferred to physical copies? Need to figure out how many chapters I need per book on A6 paper.

>>25188414
>the successful fantasy and sci-fi authors ultimately leave RR.
Yeah, you can sort by stubbed you know? And litrpg/progfant is still bigger in that category
Where did you get this idea from? It's very silly and easily disprovable with a few searches

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>>25188424
A6 is very small for a book size anon. You are looking at like 125-150 words per page I think. 11pt
A6 is this much smaller than an english manga.

Caved and started a new story

>>25188440
she cute be a shame if something happened to her...

>>25188397
>LitRPG is a large genre on RR, but it isn't the one with the most followers,
it factually is though? https://www.royalroad.com/fictions/search?globalFilters=false&orderBy=followers
highest rating and most pages posted have nothing to do with popularity
views sort of does but it's misleading because when you stub a story it deletes the views but not the followers, PLUS views inflate by chapter posting speed. which is why followers is by far the most reliable metric for a discussion of what's popular. and litrpg dominates by a huge margin, particularly in the midlister area (#100-2000)

>>25188440
Google told me that light novel lengths are about A6 and my Japanese imports appear to be that small, if they're supposed to be bigger especially overseas then I'd like to know. I got to figure out how many chapters I can fit in and pretty soon so I can figure out how many books it will translate too.

>>25188441
welcome to the dark side. what caused it?

>>25188478
The standard book size is called "digest". Some printing presses refer to digest size as a "catalog size". It's about the size of a dvd case.

>>25188487
Does it apply to every country outside of Japan or just America? Looking at English light novels they tend to last around 200 pages which gives me something to work for. Google tells me that the dimensions for digest size are 14 x 21 cm which I can't find on Word.

>>25188344
>Real writers pretend to be girls? Eww
hey anon, serious question. if we shared a prison cell for any length of time. are you gonna be the wife or the husband. Serious and normal question. Your answer?

>>25188508
It applies based on the printing press company. Its pretty normal worldwide, as often the presses operate internationally.
The two most common sizes are
>Digest: 5.5 x 8.5 in (13.97 x 21.59 cm)
>Trade: 6 x 9 in (15.24 x 22.86 cm)
They are not metric.
Trade is more common in non-fiction books, but digest is used for smaller form factors. Often a printing press will not offer printing options much smaller than digest.

>>25188530
Made a custom resolution to add it into. If there's any better software to test actually making a proper paperback please let me know because I feel like the method I'm using is not professional but I'm learning as I go.

Also, since you seem to be fairly knowledgable on light novels and the publishing process as a whole, is there any difference regarding the formatting of web novels? Or is it just that you remove the spaces between paragraphs/dialogue when transferring to physical copies?

>>25188484
Mental issues and feeling like I just don't understand the genre I was writing in enough yet. Partially because I didn't read enough of it, partially because not a lot of it exists.

>>25188535
You could, but I've ultimately found it pointless to measure. Just make sure you have page breaks where chapters start and end, then you can write however you want.
Also, if you are worrying about how a print book is formatted, you aren't really writing a web novel... that's just a regular novel bro.

>>25188559
I have to transfer what I originally wrote for online into a proper book format. If I don't know the formatting I can't figure out how many books I already have written let alone how many more planned for the future. I need to figure out an answer for that soon.

>>25188535
Yeah, remove paragraph lines and indent following paragraphs. I do all of my writing in latex, so it formats all of that shit for me automatically.
I'm not suggesting you do this, as it requires you to learn a scripting language. It's overkill for book writing. Just use word, obsidian, libre office, open office, or scrivener like everyone else.

>>25188520
It depends on which one of you has the bigger dick. That one will be the wife.

>>25188520
Please keep your homosexual fantasies out of the thread and on the proper board, thank you.

writing a serious progression fantasy about 2 dudes in a prison cell. There are no women so it doesn't have any romance or smut.

>>25188591
they DO have sex though right?

>>25188569
Does Scrivener do all the formatting stuff automatically? I know the rest don't. I was recommended it but I'm only going to spend money on it if it actually is going to be something I use to ease the publishing process.

>>25188598
What do you mean they don't format automatically?
They absolutely do.
Learn how to use the tools available to you.
>(Except obsidian it's not writing software, but pasting it into writing software often formats markdown automatically.)
- Learn how to use header formatting, section breaks, page breaks, chapter breaks, page margin formatting, left and right / even odd page formatting, line spacing, etc.
- Learn how to replace multiline spaces with single lines with replace all.
- Learn how to use regular expressions.
Your inability to use the software is not my problem.

>>25188617
Any guides for doing that automatically? I don't mind doing it manually but an automation process would make it easier on me. I never really thought I'd ever be doing this as a profession so I never really paid attention to any aspect of writing software that isn't the actual writing.

>>25188628
Like what are you expecting the software to do exactly?
Automatically detect the word "chapter" then make it a header 1 object and automatically insert a page break for you?
Learn how to do it yourself. You sound like a lazy fuck.
Your only alternative is to pay an editor thousands of dollars to do it for you.

>>25188633
Uh oh, someone's on xer period...

>>25188628
There are paid book formatting tools out there. But since you're using Word, you might as well try to get the most out of it first, before reaching for your pocket.
>Build Your Book - Format a Paperback Manuscript (Word for Windows)
https://kdp.amazon.com/en_US/help/topic/G202145400

>>25188643
I don't help people who can't help themselves.

>>25188633
Removing spaces and indents would be nice rather than doing it all manually. It's not a big deal to do it myself though. I should probably also try and find a contemporary light novel I actually enjoy and use that as a reference point too. Problem is most of them aren't translated to English and the ones I do like are from the 90s at latest.
>>25188644
I'll check it out. It's probably not as difficult as it sounds. I'm just a dunce especially when it comes to technology. I'm basically okay with spending less than $100 on anything that isn't subscription based but free is better and this looks pretty easy.

>>25188654
Why not?

>>25188716
nta but it's wasted effort. people who need to be handheld will never stop needing to be handheld

>>25188654
>>25188721
That seems like a remarkably uncharitable stance to take as a maxim for life in general.

>>25188724
is uncharitable supposed to be a devastating insult, lol?
the fact that I try to help people at all before giving up on them when they act like babies is more than most do, I would think

>>25188727
Maybe you shouldn't bother at all from now on if you're going to act like such a little whiny bitch about it

>>25188716
"To help one's self" has polysemous meaning, to on one hand bein physically capable of effort; on the other taking an opportunity when an option is presented.
Intentionally conflating the two to imply I wouldn't help an old lady cross the street is disengenous.
>I do not help people who are not willing to learn when given the opportunity to do so.

>>25188731
dude i'm not even the original anon and said so. why the hell did you melt down so fast? that's freaky

>>25188716
see
>>25188733
Wrote before refreshing to see your post.

>>25188734
Me calling you a whiny bitch is not melting down, it's making an objective statement
Because you are one
A whiny bitch, I mean, in case you missed that part
Hope this helps!

>>25188736
I meant this one.
>>25188724

>>25188738
you clearly are melting down, read your posts lol. do you have skin in the game or do you start freaking out like this at the drop of a pin normally? yikes

at this point im guessing half the board is esl

>>25188751
all the consumer media boards are primarily populated by the most braindead creatures earth has to offer

>>25188751
what does esl even have to do with this? it's a meltdown not comprehension issue

>>25188733
I asked for a helpful guide. It's not like you were doing something for me, unless you mean the act of searching in which Google doesn't always provide for everything on the fly. Forums itself shouldn't exist if asking for something that isn't Google is considered not putting in effort.

Are there any WNs with a race based magic system? Or WNs who focus on class based eugenics and immobile caste systems in litRPGs?

>>25188755
you're just getting bullied because you aren't tech savvy and most 4channers are.
specifically you really should've explained your current writing program, how you're organizing things, and what you expect to be "auto-formatted" from that program
you talk like a tech illiterate which you admitted to being, but it's also frustrating nevertheless. the answer varies massively depending on your situation. it's like coming into the thread and asking "how do I write good"
i'm not that anon but i use scrivener into vellum and it's pretty easy to make professional final results. as long as you use the program how it's intended you just hit compile/export depending on what you need. vellum also has a print option that shows a preview of what it looks like on the page
you need to learn your tools of trade. it's not even hard this shit is meant for everyday writers not programmers

>>25188763
I specifically asked for software best for a situation where I have to see how something looks when printed on physical paper. I use either Microsoft Word or Pages currently. I'm gradually switching to Apple related things since I realized just how much better it is for work.

Anyways, Vellum seems to have a preview, albeit $200 is rather pricy so I am hoping the free version will be enough. What advantages does Scrivener have that makes it intriguing to you?

>>25188826
>I specifically asked for software best for a situation where I have to see how something looks when printed on physical paper.
i'm not totally sure about this because im more concerned with web but it seems vellum does the job https://help.vellum.pub/print/ look through yourself

Vellum is paid, I didn't even know it had a free version. It's probably preview/non-export only. And yes it's expensive but it's the gold standard from my research for final products (both epub and print) and personally I was impressed at how clean it looked. It shows live previews of the ebook across all devices (kindle, android, iphone, etc) with various settings (light mode, dark mode, text size, font) and has stuff like drop caps, line break settings, adding in foreword/afterword/title pages/everything else. it's simple and it just works. it was worth it to me b/c money isn't tight. but it's expensive as hell so i get it if you don't want it

I like Scrivener only because it's what people rec'd and i started using it. Docs breaks on large documents, Word is shit for obvious reasons, Obsidian is markdown and annoying to use, online services are subscription based. Scrivener in my opinion is the best because I can just start a project, add files and organize on the left sidebar, split the screen so I have my notes doc and the main writing doc open, etc. It's not that it's orgasmically better but it just doesn't give me problems, is fast, works with massive documents, and is easy to organize. Which makes it ideal for huge projects like web serials

normally i proof what i type but that's a big dump and I don't feel like it, so expect typos

>>25188834
as a side note you have to copy your shit (titles and content) in to the vellum project one chapter at a time, but that's like 10min work per book so just do it.

and you might not even have to do that but that's what I did because my final proofed document my editor sent back was in a word doc so it was just easier. vellum probably has auto-imports but that shit breaks so easily that I don't bother, i just copy paste

>>25188571
well then, he can get over here and suck his wife's dick, har de her har

>>25188834
>Vellum is paid, I didn't even know it had a free version. It's probably preview/non-export only. And yes it's expensive but it's the gold standard from my research for final products
Looks really good. My only concern is, and I realize now I should've explained this, that English is actually not the primarily language or demographic I'm going for. I can't find anything at a cursory glance regarding support for other languages. Trying languages that don't use the latin alphabet without any setting is causing me some issues. Also my biggest concern with spending a lot of money on software.
>I like Scrivener only because it's what people rec'd and i started using it
I just use Pages and just do a document on a chapter by chapter basis, unfortunately I realize that that only works when publishing something online and creating things like a table of contents or any sort of proper formatting becomes miserable. Another scenario where if it supports other alphabets remotely okay I don't mind spending the money.

>>25188853
sounds like your case is especially unique, and i have no idea what you should use. best of luck

>>25188858
Thanks I don't think Vrillum can work as my final tool, at least for a while, but it still gives me an accurate understanding of how long my book will be which is better than nothing. Scrivener seems to have no problem with language support which makes sense given it just seems like Word but with better organization options. Is there any way to try it without dumping in $60 otherwise I'm probably just going to have to take your word that it'll be helpful.

>>25188885
>Is there any way to try it without dumping in $60
Yeah, pirate it lol. That's what I did, I just bought it later once I knew it was my favorite
Mac and Windows have different versions btw, and Mac looks much cleaner and is the preferred platform. Just as a warning

>>25188889
I'll mess with it then. Also I'm learning that Atticus, while bugged, does have. a semblance of support for foreign languages: https://intercom.help/atticus-5877e36564df/en/articles/12684388-does-atticus-support-foreign-languages.

It's also $75 cheaper so I'm curious if you or anyone else here has tried it.

all of the drama and intrigue in my WN hinges on logical arguments and not only am i not creative enough to manufacture stories around these arguments im also too stupid to reason through whether each characters behaviour make any sense based on what they currently know
ive been staring at this conversation between two characters and i cant even figure out where either of them stand when im the one that fucjing made them
im literally too dumb for my own story bros

>>25188968
>im literally too dumb for my own story bros
I get this feeling all the time
just keep at it

>>25188968
I already have the philosophies and backstories of my main characters written out before the story even begins. Also you don't need to worry about making your characters seem super smart, you vastly overestimate the intelligence of the real world.

>>25188996
I make one smart character, and the rest dumber than the average person to make the reader feel good about themselves. Often the smart character isn't even human, so they don't have to feel bad about that one either.

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>>25189103
ive made the mistake of trying to have two smart characters figure out each other's access to information and leveraging the other's lack of it
but now one of them keeps making things up that sound plausible and i'm not sure how much of it is actually true in the story
my own fucking character is successfully gaslighting me

>>25188000
It's really not as hard as you think. Over 90% of people drop their stories less than 10 chapters in. Even putting together a story arc of some sort puts you in the top 1%. Now, if only you jumped the hoops and actually wrote something palatable to the demographic, having a following is guaranteed. Becoming a super smash hit does take some luck, but you can reach an audience of several thousands at least

>>25188098
>It's easy as fuck to stand out
Here's your misunderstanding. Normally, being generic and cliche would be swear words in writing, but on RR, it's the opposite. Readers see everything through patterns. If you don't recreate the tropes 1:1, they get confused and upset. They're not looking for "something different", they want more of that thing they like, EXACTLY

>>25189140
This is probably why my AI sloppa has 23 followers now.

>>25189144
damn, couple more chapters at a reasonable pace and you'll have rivalled kinoman