Is it possible to critique this idea, or is it a truth we must accept in these times? "It was possible to establish a precise hierarchy among social statuses by calculating two simple numerical criteria: annual income and the number of hours worked. In the realm of love, the parameters of sexual exchange had also long been subject to a lyrical, impressionistic, and unreliable system of description. And once again, the first serious attempt at defining types came from the USA. Based on simple and objectively verifiable criteria (age, height, weight, hip-waist-chest measurements for women; age, height, weight, and measurements of the erect penis for men), it was initially popularized through the porn industry, which soon passed the torch to women's magazines. While the simplified economic hierarchy was subject to sporadic opposition for a long time (movements in favor of "social justice"), the erotic hierarchy, which seemed more natural, was quickly internalized and obtained broad consensus from the outset. Since then, able to define themselves by a few numerical parameters, freed from the ideas of Being that had long hindered the fluidity of their mental movements, Western human beings – at least the younger ones – were able to adapt to the technological changes that occurred in their societies, changes that in turn led to great economic, psychological and social transformations."
>>25192237Wellbeck already looked washed and stark ugly in his prime, something he was (his novels to wit) painfully aware of. Now, however, he's become the ultimate post-human haglord, obdurate and sagging his way unto life or the crumbs of it. His insights will forever be both excruciatingly personal and spot-on. Long live Wellbeck.
>>25192237never read houellebecq in my life because ... what's an ugly person doing writing about sexuality?
>>25192296That's precisely what's interesting. As an unattractive person, Houellebecq doesn't participate in liberated sex, so he observes the phenomenon from the outside and manages to describe it with great precision and without any of the distortions that subjectivity can bring when experiencing it.
>>25192372kingsely amis (not ugly) gave one of his characters in ‘take a girl like you’ a big speech about the difference between being attractive and unattractive & it starts like>A great British prime minister once remarked that the people were divided into two nations, the rich and the poor, and in effect that these had no knowledge of each other.
>>25192372He had plenty of sex before and after becoming a writer. He doesn't share the same views as the airheads he fucks but that's it, he participates whenever he can
Sex and sexuality is just so depressing to me, at the end of the day, every author I've loved, and love, is ultimately all about sex/lack of sex. Just like everything else in life.
>>25192577what did you expect?
>>25192636To transcend this fuckery, but I know in the end it is all just bloody useless neurotic cope. I guess it's time to go sit under a tree and pretend I'm above it for "reasons", fuck sake.
>>25192577everything is
>>25192237He is clearly traumatized, like Schopenhauer, by the unrepentant callousness and self-seeking of his mother. He cannot reconcile the fact that he desires, with all his heart, the love of a creature that most of us would laugh at as comically narcissistic and frighteningly petty. Even his critics thought Houellebecq’s mom inexplicably repulsive. That inability to reconcile this desire for love became an inability to reconcile his desire to be loved with the worldly evidence of what love is. It seemed nothing divine to him, but the result of an economic accounting of desire, attractiveness, and practicality. I think that’s why his sense of the unfairness of love, how some win it without merit and others are forced to struggle for scraps, stays with him so intensely. It’s a core wound when your mom genuinely cannot recognize you as her child, but just another man trying to pry something from her.
>>25192577>>25192636>>25192644Sex becomes less important when you're actually getting some.Only incels obsess about it like you do.
>>25192695Yeah no fucking shit Einstein. How's that supposed to help?
>>25192237Does anyone have this but analysis of BBC and interracial relationships? He says a lot in his books but never in plain English
>>25192695not really. it’s just a fact of life. even in RC times people preferred the risk of being hanged to not fucking. kingsley amis (notorious lothario) said true art centres on the celebration of human sexuality.
>>25192485When you're ugly, you can only have sex by compensating for your lack of attractiveness. Houellebecq, in his genius, observes this deficiency with particular clarity, creating a theory that man is nothing more than a diminished adolescent because it is only in adolescence that "pure" desire is expressed in an animalistic way. Then, one approaches another, weighing what is convenient for a certain end.
>subversive artist>marries an asian womanpick 1
>>25192577"Marcel Proust, at the end of Time Regained, concluded with notable frankness that not only social relationships, but even friendships, were incapable of offering anything substantial; they were purely and simply a waste of time, and that the writer, contrary to what everyone believes, did not need intellectual conversations at all, but rather “light loves with girls in bloom.” At this stage of the argument, it matters greatly to me to replace “girls in bloom” with “young wet cunts”; this will, it seems to me, help clarify the debate without detracting from its poetry."
>>25192656It’s completely true, but do you think it would be the same in every era, or do you think his sociological reading is accurate?Because according to psychology, maternal love is not intrinsically given by the mother, but can be provided by other people to an equal extent. But it seems he didn’t find compensation in any other figure. I suppose that if he was a “Chad,” he might carry that problem of “the man who looks for a mother, or a woman who will mother him, in all his lovers.”
>>25192935I think it was possible to guessThis is from his third book i think:“There seems to be,” observed Mr. Sawanasee, “a near perfect match between Western men, who are unappreciated and get no respect in their own countries, and Thai women, who would be happy to find someone who simply does his job and hopes to come home to a pleasant family life after work. Most Western women do not want such a boring husband.One easy way to see this,” he continued, “is to look at any publication containing ‘personal’ ads. Western women want someone who looks a certain way and who has certain ‘social skills,’ such as dancing and clever conversation—someone interesting, exciting, and seductive. Now go to my catalogue and look at what the girls say they want. It’s all pretty simple, really. Over and over they state that they are happy to settle down FOREVER with a man who is willing to hold down a steady job and be a loving and understanding HUSBAND and FATHER. That will get you exactly nowhere with an American girl!As Western women,” he concluded rather brazenly, “do not appreciate men, as they do not value traditional family life. Marriage is not the right thing for them to do. I’m helping modern Western women to avoid what they despise.”
>>25192961Look, I'll level with you, I really think it can't be overstated how much it fucks with you to realize your mom is a literal narcissistic whore. It's not like "I wish my mother loved me, I need to find another nice woman to hold me," it's like the part of you that is supposed to feel safe when you're a baby is totally betrayed, absolutely burned, and you internalize that nobody actually cares about you. And so his erotic analyses are totally incapable of including the irrational, because the irrational element in mating is the self, and it's the idea that the self has value that Houllebecq rejects. Instead, he understands all mating as an economic calculus. When some dumb 31 year old woman says she wants a 6'6" billionaire Chad, what is she actually saying? If you take her at her word, you think "she's overvalued her vagina extensively, and is delusionally holding out." But if you look closer, you'll probably realize that at some point she gave up on the idea that emotional intimacy is actually a worthwhile good, and having given up on actually being loved by a man with any decency, now regards the other sex like a heartless businessman views economic propositions. It's all business, nothing personal. And you see this with younger women too. This is the retarded BPD chick who gets abused by her loser boyfriend. She's scared of actually being loved, so she chases in her youth hormones and adrenaline, and when her boyfriend treats her like shit, the part where her dad's voice would say "you're really going to let this guy who cheated on you cum on your face?" isn't there, and so she ends up wasting her youth getting punked before becoming a sorrowful "ick" machine. And it's the same with Houellebecq. Without his mother saying "you're a special beautiful boy who deserves love," he is incapable of imagining a reality where a guy who is "unerotic" generates the self-interest to carry himself with confidence and radiance, and instead imagines that there are those who are loved by the universe and smash pussy, and those despised by it like himself who get nothing. He looks for his mother in erotic prospects, and finds they're looking for their dads, not their children, and it breaks his heart.
>>25193247my mother loved and praised me, told me I'm one of the cutest guys who girls will go crazy over and could pinpoint which features are my assets. Yet I still ended up like him - the literary talent.
>>25193806Cobbling your child isn't "loving them".
