I opened this board up to see if I could get some good lit recs, since I have already read everything I've had listed for me to read this past year, and was incredibly disheartened when most of what I've seen is women being regarded as less-than in the literary space (at least on here, but ive seen it across the web aswell). Feel free to give me some good recs
>another woman hate thread
>>25193531Delete the thread OP.
gay falseflag
>>25193531Well, to answer your question, the double standard is generally what enrages guys. Goonerslop for women is seen as empowering while porn is seen as harmful and degrading and needs to be hidden behind ID verification in increasingly more places.Obviously no one has to log who they are to buy gooner girl books, when in reality the material they depict would often be banned if it was actually a video.That's just one example, but ultimately it boils down to girls can do what they want because it will always involve consumerism to take advantage of.Then there's the literary aspect. Even if you ignore all the slop that caters to women exclusively, the western canon is now so derided as being so pale and male, that many guys enthusiastic about literature increasingly have few authors to talk about or be inspired by, not to mention the dwindling prospect of them ever becoming successful writers in a time when publishers and prizes seem to massively skew to female (and ethnic minority) reparations regarding cultural achievement.Then there's the personal angle, where we just want to talk about books in themselves and not gender, and women can't do anything without making about being a girl and how their feelings are hurt or whatever. Like this thread.It's all so tiresome.
>>25193531Gay board
Men consume plenty of written erotica, hentai, fanfiction, etc., which face the exact same lack of regulation. So the idea that this freedom is “for women only” isn’t accurate. “Women can do what they want because of consumerism” isn’t supported by dataIf anything, market dynamics show the opposite of favoritism:Industries that are male-dominated (gaming, film, tech, publishing leadership) have historically prioritized male audiences because they were seen as more profitable.Women entering markets (like romance publishing or BookTok-driven fiction) didn’t get handed power—they created demand that publishers responded to.
>>25193549This. You get some people here who believe this indignation incomprehensible. they’re childish too, in the way they label books that a man may be reading as “performative” or “red flags” as if the simple fact that he owns it tells you everything about his personality. They don’t care about literature, just the status, and fingering themselves to the slop they do “read”. I don’t dislike women, nor do I think this is true for every single woman. But it’s not exactly exclusive to a small amount.
>>25193531>Be OP>Wake up as a huge faggot (male)>Perplexed as to how men could hate women
>>25193549Maybe they should make double standards illegal instead
>>25193531I just don’t wanna get cooties, girls are yuck! gross! Get out of the boys club!
its very simple, women owe me sex
>>25193557>Men consume plenty of written erotica, hentai, fanfiction, etc., which face the exact same lack of regulationNot sold in book stores and taken seriously. And not even in anywhere near the same levels as women read/write it, see Wattpad. Porn is accurate the equivalent.Notice you have to use the word historically because if you were honest about the current state of things, you'd have to concede the female bias.
>>25193557I’m sure there are a bunch of guys on tiktok or whatever talking about porn as if it isn’t just porn and that they watch it because it’s oh so interesting plot wise. One thing women seem to never admit is that the gooner slop they read is in fact gooner slop. Don’t be so coy about it I say, unless they’re genuinely too dumb to see how gross it is to talk about your porn book like it’s serious literature.
>>25193566Men and women are different. They should be meassured differently.Yet porn is bad in both.
>>25193557You seem to have forgotten that you are in a literature board, not a porn board. Nobody is criticizing women just for consuming porn. We are criticizing women because all they read is porn. Or, at least, that's what they show in social media.
>>25193531Literature is a gay man's world sweaty
women should go to spaces where they are actually appreciated (the kitchen, for example)
>>25193531it's become a rare thing, that a woman be seen or showing herself reading without loudly announcing it's just porn while trying to intellectualize base degeneracy. Mostly because the same number of women are reading porn as usual, just they're more vocal about it in public places. The double standard is part of the problem, but it's also just one of the few "new" pet problems people use to say the same shit they've been saying about women since forever.
>>25193549Realistically, both should be seen as harmful.Ultimately it's the free market capturing a market share using hypernormal stimuli.Ultimately a surrogate environment (porn or erotic novels) capturing such an urge, creates a feedback loop in the individual around it's empty satisfaction by learned means within the framework of pornography. The set of behaviours developed to maximise positive stimuli within an environment comprise a personality, so what kind of personality develops when one fits themselves to a pornographic sexual environment? A shallow one, or one wracked with an empty depth, in which all contours of pornographic space are thoroughly explored, and the result is an overly adapted nightmare sexuality, incompatible with the world around them (ultimately, not beyond redemption). A compartmentalised sexuality, disjointed, satisfied by controlled rituals, a valuable and valued (by the right person) impulse eradicated from daily life. A human out of balance, an inhuman.(If you don't know what hypernormal stimuli is, please look it up, I find it's a very helpful shorthand in explaining a lot of addiction)
>>25193531This is a chud and tranny board. That's it.
>>25193639Perhaps the solution is to criticise women who only read porn, rather than women more broadly. I know plenty of well read women.I suppose the whole dilemma speaks to male Vs female feedback domains. Women often operate on a social framework, meta analyzing tendencies in personality and social structure as the main ways to exert their influence to get what they need (not that this is a bad thing, we all need something, it's just that through either social conditioning or something more biological, women TEND (not always, but tend) to fill this social niche. It's an important role). Think Ru Paul's drag race, or real housewives of Atlanta. Girlslop and personalityslop because they are controlled petri dishes of complex personalities clashing and fighting. Not every girl, but a lot of them, enjoy these shows. Some guys enjoy them.Books are often the most character and personality dense mediums, and therefore would excite the mind that is predisposed to think in these terms, to source arousal in those terms, the fetishization of personality, and the same ladder of escalating content we see in men watching video pornography, they both create beasts, but in different domains. Of course, that poisons the well for everyone else, too.To view women as a homogeneous lump (not saying anyone here has) is a misstep and a bit of a cope, but the tendency for women to consume these materials over men is real. The nature of the free market preying on both women and men, stimuli-maxxing to get them addicted in their own unique ways.I would recommend for anyone to look up the YouTube channel "TheSecondStory" a very intelligent woman who's beliefs on pornography appear to mirror my own.
>>25193796A quick edit: to criticise written porn, not necessarily women who read written porn, as they have fallen victim.
A lot of sweeping generalizations are being made here. I'm a woman, and I have never once read porn or "goonslop" books, like, what are you guys even yapping about? All of my friends are the same, since we run a lit club at our uni. I simply don't get where you guys are getting these predisposed notions from. (probably TikTok desu)
>>25193549I think both are harmful but you're revealing how retarded you are by equating written sex with filmed sex between performers.
>>25193531Have you read Reverend Insanity?
I have not, I haven't read Chinese webnovels, I usually read either manga or english written novels, sometimes translated French ones like Les Fleurs du Mal.
>>25193531The whole world kowtows to you. Just go away; do you need this corner too?
Simply not true to my lived experience.
>>25194996Read it then.
>>25193531this is the incel frogposter website. come here for recs by male authors and go elsewhere for recs by female authors
>>25193531A few words more concerning the passion of women to become authors—a passion which is constantly on the increase among them in these our days.Literary labor can have only two ends in view: to make known new discoveries in sciences for the examination of the learned, or to communicate that which has already been discovered to the people at large by means of popular representations. We have seen that women can not make discoveries. Popular writings for women, writings on female education, moral books for the female sex, as such, etc., can certainly be most properly written by women; partly because they know their own sex better than man ever can know it, (that is, if they have the gift, also, of rising in part above their sex,) and partly because such books are generally more read by women. Even the learned man can extend his knowledge of female character from such writings. Of course, the woman must write as a woman, and must not appear in her writings as a badly disguised man.I have presupposed, as it will be seen, that a woman will write only for her sex, and only for the purpose of being useful and to alleviate a discovered need of her sex; but on no account for our sex, or from motives of vanity or ambition. Not only would her works have little literary value in the latter case, but the moral character of the authoress would also be greatly injured. Her authorship would be nothing but another means of coquetting. If she is married, she receives, through her literary celebrity, an independence which necessarily weakens and threatens to dissolve her relation to her husband; or, if criticism is unfavorable, she will feel the reproof as an insult to her sex, and will embitter the days of herself and of her husband.
>>25193531Foids are increasingly deluded and ignorant and I just take any opportunity to put them in their place now. Maybe you’re fine but it must be done.
Having this level of hatred for half the human population is concerning, at least I'm "fine" I suppose.
>>25193531ywnbaw also women can't read
Since I am a woman, I can read, and I asked for recs after finishing Beau Geuste, I'm pretty sure this rings mute.
Not a woman but it really does get old and makes the board feel like it's populated by 12 year olds.
>>25193531>Feel free to give me some good recsMary Lee Settle is a phenomenal writer who never got enough attention. Djuna Barnes, Flannery O'Connor, and Murasaki Shikibu are a few other spectacular talents- certainly not the only ones.Most women read/write nothing but garbage, but most men today don't read at all so whatever. The handful of women who write as well as the men deserve similar praise but seldom seem to get it, because as mentioned virtually no one of either sex reads good books, and people who want to feel prestigious or "well-read" generally reach for a famous man. Only a tiny number of women get famous in literature, and the rest remain niche however talented, so it's easy for a young channer-type guy ferociously poring over the "canon" to conclude, erroneously, that women just can't write.
>>25195074If I didn't know better I'd think (after reading your post) that the entire male population hates the entire female population. Which is not the case. 4chan userbase and specifically /lit/ is maybe a couple of hundred people. The rest of the 4 billion males on earth, at least 99% of them are simps who are ready to sacrifice themselves for pussy.
Thank you for these actually serious recs, I'll give 'em a look.
>>25195074it's not hatred and foids are not human. there's no we. there's xxs and xys and time before the xys figure out a more efficient reproductive machine>>25195079yeah foids can't compute statements only useful via third persons
>>25195081>>25195085>>25195088You will never be a woman
tbf most (probably all) women are insufferable and annoying
>>25195081>>25195085>>25195088you will never be a woman
>>25195095Yeah I am a male, and I don't want to be a woman.
>>25195099kill yourself
Calling women ‘not human’ isn’t an argument; it’s just you admitting you can’t engage with them as equals. That says more about your limitations than theirs.Women aren’t ‘insufferable,’ you’ve just built your entire worldview around echo chambers that reward resentment. Real-world interactions don’t work like that. Being a woman on here is frustrating cause i dont hate men, most of my loved ones are men. I just didn't know so many embodiments of bitterness have access to keyboards.
>>25195101ywnbaw
>>25195101That’s nice toots, now get back in the kitchen and make me my sandwich
Again, Not an argument. Just bitterness with a keyboard
>>25195109and? there don't have to be arguments, it's not a discussion. you don't have to agree to anything either. keep consensus to yourself
You see, I was under the assumption that forums, by design, held discussions. If you can't argue or come up with something to add to the discussion, just say so.
>>25195101Nta, I don't hate you, I am just not interested in you and want to have nothing to do with you.
>>25193531>i want another girl cheerleading section is the most cuntified arena in society>i just can't take that there's one place on the internet that doesn't praise women and where women are the center of everything book relatedJesus fucking Christ just go literally anywhere else.
>>25195116welcome to 4chan where all your dreams come true
The option to have nothing to do with me is as clear as the screen in front of your face; just stop responding. That screams "i want nothing to do with this."
>>25195094except for savitri devi. she's cool.
>>251951244chan is an exclusive male space. You have literally every other social network catering to your needs, leave 4chan alone.
Literally, where on the site does it say this? The world isn't an exclusive male space; deal with it. Maybe make friends, who knows.
>>25195129>don't want to have any interaction with women>no, you will interact with women because worldI am not talking about the world, I am talking about 4chan, a tiny space on the internet.If you want book recs go on reddit or goodreads or the other remaing 5000 thousands social networks and ask there.
>>25195129can't enforce consensus on anonymous media
Doesn't negate the fact that this site isn't exclusively a male space, and that I have the right to ask about literature anywhere I like.
>>25195147ask your llm about 41%
you were useful btw. newfags learn faster with your kind around not to engage foids
they behave exactly how llms do with chad writing prompts. it's predictable
>>25195147Why waste your time here? Where many posters do genuinely hate women.Fair enough, you've asked for recommendations, you got no good recommendations. It's time for you to leave now. Go on reddit, I hear r/literature has some good recommendations
for all the newfags in the back, foids follow the same script at differing time intervals per action through their lives: find chad, execute entertainment script, find non chad, execute compliance script, if compliant -> find chad if not compliant -> complain to foids and to (and find) chad. they might do this every thirty seconds or thirty years but that's all their brains do, every time, all the time
>>25195101I don’t hate women either. But in my experience and shown from what I’ve read here. Many seem to lack that cognisance, or that cerebral capacity men have. Many younger women especially have this extremely juvenile mentality and though many of them have espoused the saying “performative male”, you’re more likely to find on social media a woman exhibiting signs of that performative behaviour than men. Take for example, the threads up about the women, one who of which is showing off her bookshelf filled with books they most likely believe themselves cultured for reading, despite being slop or something for them to masturbate to. The other who is literally showing off her ass knowing full well no one is going to be bothered about the “fantasy book” she’s writing. My own previous partners have proven to be emotionally immature. They are more emotional creatures than men; they make decisions based on their emotions alone for the most part. My issue with a fair amount of them is their vainglorious nature. As I said, I don’t hate them, they’re just far too different in their way of thinking for me to appreciate and find common ground with.
>>25195198you will get there. from the moment to have understood the weakness of xx genes they disgust
>>25195205The more I read, the frequency of my eye twitches when I hear about their childishness grows.
>>25195210>but why did you break the cup?>you said you'd not go to the department store but you don't have spare ones. I want a nobel prize toohow many times over?
tits or GTFO
>>25194982No, I wasn't comparing the mediums literally but the end goal. The end goal for a lot of these books is to get off and explore certain fetishes, much like porn.The double standard is that while they serve the same ends, men are facing a cultural climate where porn is associated with psychological harm, depravity, misogyny, etc., but the same impulse and often many of the same themes, if not more extreme are explored and presented proudly as an intelligent endeavour in women's fiction.I'm not making this up, go and read what they're actually reading, or at least view some discussions about booktok slop.But that is only the inmediately obvious distinction, there is also the slow erosion of the traditional canon and a narrowing of the range of expression that is deemed worth studying, ironically in the name of cultural expansion and inclusion.
Ich hasse Frauen. Ich hasse Frauen so viel daß es unglaublich ist.
>>25193531because 4chan is an Epstein-class psyop to social engineer impressionable retards into militant radicals
>>251935314chan is a psychological weapons testing ground for the Epstein regime's ongoing experiment of Koreizing the West. The goal is to establish Israeli-run Chaebols in the US and Europe but to get there they need to foment resentment between the sexes.
