Damn, this is way more powerful than any right wing Camp of Saints/Turner Diaries garbage.How come this isn’t mandatory reading?
>>25194429for most of my life i was an egalitarian leftist who believed africa was impoverished only because europe had looted it and if blacks hadnt been brought in as slaves and experienced generations of bondage they would be just as rich and productive as white americans. then i started to live in an area with lots of blacks and saw how they live greedily and wrecklessly with no thought to the future or for their own betterment, just for instant satisfaction. and i started to think that their impoverishment wasnt just because of slavery from 200 years ago.do you think this book will help me become un-racist again?
Its schizo tier resentmentmaxxing
Wasnt this guy found to be a CIA spook or something
>>25194440Yes, unironically this book made me abandon nazism. >>25194447Are you retarded? The CIA hates this book.
>>25194452I doubt the CIA has heard of this book, or would even care
>>25194452>Yes, unironically this book made me abandon nazism.give me a little taste of his argument. how does he disprove segregationists who wanted to be removed from black violence and crime?
>>25194440Take the Institution-pill. It explains everything.
>>25194469>how does he disprove segregationists who wanted to be removed from black violence and crime?That’s a falsehood, segregationists want to impose violence not escape it
>>25194477They used state violence to dissuade criminal violence, sure. All statists do.
>>25194481No as in they would go on sundown raids to string up niggers, or beat niggers who tried to use white water fountains. Those aren’t actions of people escaping violence kek. I know, you’re experiencing massive cognitive dissonance right now
>>25194452>The CIA>Hating a book that divides the working class along ethnic lineseeeeeerm
>>25194447Saul Alinsky's Rules for Radicals Gene Sharp's From Dictatorship to Democracy are obvious feds>>25194467No, they take notice of this stuff. I think it's organic anti-colonialist anti-racist stuff, though the feds have sunk their teeth into IDpol for a long time now and "woke" shit is their campaign to keep people fighting amongst themselves. Just to name another book in the same vein
>>25194485and the blacks used to go on sundown raids to rob stores and rape women
>>25194492No, they didn't.
>>25194492God bless capitalism
>>25194492They used to, they still do, but they used to too.
>>25194452Why would this book make you less of a Nazi? It literally says there's no logical reason for a White person to be a leftist and that all White people should be White supremacists
>>25194440recklessly*
>>25194490Sakai isn’t idpol you retard. You haven’t read him.
the thing about this guy is that no one has ever seen him in real life, there are no pictures of him, so lots of people think he is a fed, also the whole idea is just inverted facism, blood and soil for non whites against white people, it has nothing to do with class or communism, all in all a shit book and a poison pill
>>25194492>>25194501They didn't. The crime schools called prisons did breed that into some, but after the Civil War, they wanted nothing to do with white people and sought to create their own communities. And whenever they succeeded, Wichita, Harlem, the racist whites tore it down violently.
>>25194506Because I realized Nazis don’t even understand the problem let alone offer a meaningful solution after reading this. It’s crazy the difference between Sakai bringing hard figures, historical references etc while right wingers praise empty babbling rhetoric from Hitler
>>25194490Those books are pro idpol and racialist tho lol
>>25194509Sakai is the highest tier of racial idolatry and narcissism. I seriously think the rumor that it's a CIA job is true because it's so fucking retarded and totally undermines class unity.
>>25194509No, I was making the case that the book isn't. Haven't read it. Are you making it out to be Turner Diaries?
>>25194512Why would his hard-figures disprove the benefits of racism to the White labour-aristocracy? He literally justs lists all the reasons White people should be racist
>>25194515t. White lower middle class undergrad who listens to Nick Fuentes podcasts on his way to lecture hall
>>25194512I took the bait. Congratulations on your excellent thread.
>>25194523The book is like 100 pages long you can knock it out in an afternoon and see for yourself. Warning: you must have at least 120 IQ to follow the arguments. Sakai employs math and cultural references that no working class person would even understand so the claim he’s a spook sent to destabilize the left is laughable.
>>25194514The CIA and Mossad have been working towards this Zionist agenda for decades. The IDpol, both left and right, are all promoted to keep you dumb.
"here is my new contribution to communism, white people bad, black people good"- some jap fed
>>25194523>Stymied by sense.>"It's bait!"
>>25194528Schizo rambling
>>25194526Wow, lame. So there's zero reason to be racist.
>>25194539Does racism benefit White people? Yes or no?
>>25194537Zionist or you haven't checked the news in years?
I dont believe in racial "equality", certainly not with SSAs. They cluster too far from the non African rest of the world. Southern migration pops like abbos and papuans are also too far from the bulk of humanity.Ole' sakai never studied population genetics it seems kek
>>25194540No obviously.
>>25194540Nope. There is no benefits to anyone. Please note, that keeping preferences in culture or beauty is not racism.
>>25194511You cant gaslight me, Ive seen the videos
>>25194545Sakai literally claims the opposite. That's the whole point of the book. That's what Third-Worldism IS
>>25194542>too far from the bulk of humanity.Compared to the child raping baby eaters? Those monster you worship.
>>25194550If your takeaway from this book is white people should be more racist, you’re literally illiterate. More likely you haven’t read it and are making things up.
>>25194553What the fuck are you even talking about? Bigfoot? Monsters? Look at a global PCA chart you moron.
>>25194554Sakai obviously doesn't say "White people should be more racist", but any White person who reads Settlers and isn't retarded will understand that the central claim is that:>even poor Whites form a labour aristocracy>the poorest Whites in first world country are still better off than average>global capitalism benefits Whites more than it harms themTherefore, White people should be racist and non-White people should be "anti-racist"
the take away from the book is white people are irredeemable born with the original sin of being white and there is no way to redemption other than killing themselves or being forced back to europeits all complete nonsense garbage, a corruption of Marxism with race instead of class
>>25194548>videosSee more videos and books and papers about what prisons do to populations. See more videos and books and papers on the systemic racism that allowed whites to lynch mob anyone they wanted to, the little war on Wichita "Black Wall Street" etc. You won't read a lick though. You don't fit in here.
>>25194557You didn't hear about the Epstein files? I'm calling the wealthy elite monsters.>moronIronic coming from you.
>>25194559Nice camp of saints fantasy. Try reading the book, it’s not speculative fiction for 12 year olds it’s historical materialism
>>25194554This is just shitposting, Sakai IS racialist, he is 100% racial politics/Fanonist/Maoist. You are a troll
>>25194560White prisons trained blacks to loot and rape... so why do they do it in africa
>>25194572Colonialism. War wasn't even a thing in Africa before the Scramble
>>25194572Name one African country that hasn’t been destabilized by western white imperialists
>>25194566What does Epstein have to do with the fST distances and time divergences between population groups?
>>25194574Lmao. Ok this is just trolling. Sage/report this spam thread
>>25194576Name one European country that hasnt been destabilized by western white imperialists. Thats not a good excuse.
ITT why it's not OK to be "white"
>>25194583>trollingHistorical facts is a tough pill to swallow when it flies in the face of your Ben Shapiro YouTube shorts. Read Settlers.
>>25194590This guy can't spell America or Africa correctly and I'm supposed to trust his historical scholarship and interpretation? lol
>>25194590Schizo rambling and too many spelling mistakes lol "Amerikan", wtf is that.
>le noble african savageWhy has this trope never died
>>25194592Delicious white tears, keep em comin.
>>25194590>White people.... are le racist and mean to minoritiesAnd? No serious person denies this.
>>25194601>slavery was bad for White people because it brought a bunch of blacks to America which was detrimental to WhitesI could write all of this with slightly different editorialism and it would be a White nationalist pamphlet.
>>25194608Precisely why white nationalists are so dumb, no? Here is their white nationalist founding father pulling scams on white people
>>25194527>>25194536
Dude can't even spell America correctly lol
>>25194441you always say schizo whenever our plans don't align with your great fuhrer's vision.OP that's a really good book.
>>25194616The idea that it's a scam presupposes the idea that it would benefit the White working class if all the blacks were deported. To say that it would benefit the White working class if all the blacks were killed or deported is to affirm all the major tenets of White nationalism. Sakai is able to use Marxism to prove that White supremacy benefits White workers, but can only use liberal moralism to explain why wypipo totally shouldn't be racist doe
>>25194592>>25194595>>25194620Not an argument
>>25194623Weirdly, people love dialectical history until they have to synthesize some original thoughts, then their neoliberal programming takes over and they unload some vomitous screed that relies on whatever the contemporary post-post-modernist worldslop is. If Sakai had written this book in like 1940 it would have been more compelling.
>>25194622I dont even know how to respond to this schizo rambling
>>25194637Are you affirming or contradicting my post?
>>25194626"You shouldn't trust the historical scholarship of an illiterate" is a perfectly cogent argument, actually
>>25194641I agree with you insofar as Sakai (who doesn't even exist) suffered from being a faggot libtard who doesn't understand what he's advocating for. His argument fundamentally relies on the cultural mores of the early 1980s.
>>25194429The issue with this book and the marxoids who love to shill it is that it's a moralizing, liberal excuse to do nothing dressed up as "OMG muh most radical book ever". It's a left-flavored Robin DiAngelo, designed to soothe the guilty conscienses of white liberals.
>>25194647Does it even do that or are they addicted to self-flaggellation? It's the literary equivalent of femdom except that the latter is genuinely less gay and retarded.
>>25194650You haven’t read it so why are you projecting your sexual fantasies onto fans of a book
>>25194646Sakai basically relied on brain-dead hippies reading his book, nodding along to all his claims and not doing any reading between the lines to understand the logical implications of his conclusions for White people. Sakai writes a whole book saying "racism is good and 'internationalism' is bad for White workers actually" and then concludes with a pathetic moral plea. If Sakai is right, White people have no alliance with non-Whites and every reason to become White Nazbols.
>>25194655I read it when you posted the thread. It was only 170 pages.
>>25194666So you are now gay and retarded and addicted to self flagellation or what are you trying to say
>>25194668Melty :^)
Settlers makes a lot more sense when you realize it was written by a member of an imperial race (ethnic Japanese man) trying to grapple with his own radically imposed guilt vis-a-vis the white guilt that spawned groups like the weather underground.Combine this with the "free-love" social climate of the 80s and you get a psychosexual picture of Sakai. Settlers is an early work of BBC fetishism. I am not joking. It is proto-BNWO fetish material. When you look at the book through this lens you cannot miss it. It is deeply, deeply embarrassing.
>>25194668Yes, my IQ is now lower for having read Sakai's frankly anti-Marxist drivel.
>>25194672>poltard enters thread about literature>immediately posts about BBC and BNWO fantasies
>>25194676Thats what settlers is, yes.
>>25194672This is such a good analysis that it's bewildering nobody has suggested it before.
>>25194672Lmao. Nailed it
>>25194601>delicious white tearsThis nigga drinking semen
Dodnt Sakai claim to be a UAW auto worker on the 70s? Can you imagine trying to sip a beer and bolt on the door of a Pontiac Bonneville, bullshitting with the boys on the line while some creepy asian incel is hiding in the corner just seething away lmao
>>25194650It isn't really self-flagellation as it allows responsibility to be passed off onto the imagined heartland of retrograte, non college-educated whites who would never, ever dare read a book like this.
>>25194574>missing swathes of written history for the regionbecause its been lost to time or people themselves never bothered to record it>assert that "There were no wars"Just because something is absent in records doesn't meant it didn't occur. Even the fucking Aboriginals of Australia had wars prior to colonialism. African 'noble savage' revisionist / colonialism "is the great satan/root cause of all negative human behavior" whacko. Deeply unserious, should be ignored.
>>25194695It sort of reminds me of the buck-passing that happens whenever self-described (see: upper-class, pampered) Marxists are obliged to contend with their own habits. As though handed from Moses himself, they dutifully remind everyone around them, "Actually, there's no such thing as ethical consumption under capitalism." It's like a get-out-of-jail-free card.
>>25194470This book is so unbelievably bad. Even if you ignore the sophistry in how loosely the authors define their own arguments, accept the notion that Botswana is an economically successful country, and also ignore the egregious ESLism of their concept of the vicious/virtuous circle(not cycle), they repeatedly "refute" anticipated counterarguments to their theory by attacking strawmans so crudely constructed that it's difficult to take the book in good faith.
>>25194540Everyone is racist. White people are the only people shamed for it though.
>>25194452Do they though, really?
>>25194485>cognitive dissonanceNot a liability, can actually be strategically useful
>>25194706I'd disagree there, I think the online left's tendency to litigate personal consumer choices, "the personal is political" is more of the same new-left/liberal self-soothing behavior that draws people to Settlers. Marxism is morally deflationary.
>>25194521>no no not the academicarinos!
>>25194576You mean improved
>>25194603I was beat up by brown people in high school though
Well it seems OP was btfo and fled
>>25194793They police other people's choices. The common refrain comes into play when it's their own choices that are being adjudicated. I think most of them probably have no real moral compass and only want something to belong to until it impedes their pleasure.
>>25194684Gottem
>>25194692I can only imagine
>>25194717The argument isn't loose, but it is broad. Rich countries are rich primarily because they've had stronger and fairer institutions for longer. There are other effects, such as resource luck, but especially for the average citizen the primary factor is a participatory, inclusive economy backed by participatory, inclusive institutions. Botswana is objectively richer than it's regional neighbors, for exactly the reasons described above. No good counterarguments have been posited even if you think what they talk about are strawmen.
>>25194898Lmao rich countries are rich because of colonial exploitation, Syria existed for like 10000 years and got constantly exploited and conquered by imperial forces
>>25194590This argues that colonial practices were good for capitalism; not that they were good for White people (as much as it would like to imply that.)
>>25194903Wrong. A very small handful of elites get rich of colonial exploitation, and that wealth doesn't trickle down. Spain, for example, was incredibly poor despite it's massive empire. It was a peasant agrarian society that produced very little all the way into the 1900's because of this.
>>25194898>Rich countries are rich primarily because they've had stronger and fairer institutions for longer.NTA but this entire framework requires belief in a westphalianism that doesn't exist in reality. Currently the finances of any nation are controlled by hegemonic institutions like the IMF and world bank. During the cold war the affairs of these countries were dominated by giant superpower blocs.
>>25194922Maybe they shouldn’t have given all their gold to ruzzia
>>25194925The extent of control by these global institutions is a lot smaller than you imply, the primary driver is very much the nation state. Even then, as long as they are fair and inclusive, the same principle should apply just on a more diffuse global scale.
>>25194940This thesis can't explain why China has become significantly less liberal throughout Xi Jinping's tenure while also continuing to prosper. This is because it's a reality inversion to believe that institutions create material conditions instead of the other way around. Of course they are related, but material conditions precede institutions and determine their qualities to a much greater extent than moral judgements about their perceived fairness.
>>25194467You've obviously never seen Three Days of the Condor
>>25195004China's economic growth has been slowing under Xi.The degradation of institutions doesn't always have immediate disastrous effects, it often results in a slow downturn. China is still riding high off becoming economically more liberal and free, but it's wearing off.
>>25194916Duh, because Sakai is anti capitalist not anti white as the racists ITT smear him
>>25195041A dropoff in GDP growth is a far cry from the soviet style collapse predicted in the book. Regardless it hasn't created some new apetite for liberalism in China. In fact it seems the opposite is true, China is now more politically consolidated than it's ever been.
>>25195148It doesn't say Soviet style collapse. The Soviet Union also took decades to collapse, anyway. Political consolidation has nothing to do with it, in fact it's one of the effects that seems to limit growth.
>>25195172This is non-falsifiable. If I pointed out that the USSR collapsed after decades of liberal reforms you would tell me that its initial authoritarianism was simply too much for it not to collapse. You also haven't substantiated the claim about China's inevitable collapse with any evidence.
>>25195064Sakai doesn't exist. He isn't anything. This book was either written by the CIA or a consortium of aggrieved academic blacks. The latter seems more likely considering all the dubious citations.
>>25195442If it were the latter they would not focus so much on Europe and Indians
>>25195358The Soviet Union never had serious economic liberal reforms. They didn't allow free enterprise, they didn't have a inclusive, accessible banking system or anything. They never had a fair legal system, though it did get better over time. These are the critical institutions they talk about.>China's inevitable collapseno one said this.
>>25195446True. I hadn't considered that.
>erm just kill yourself whiteyno thanks!
>>25195461Is it economic liberalism or is it fair institutions? What's the exchange rate? The gulf states are theocracies with zero civil rights but have been thriving economically.
>>25194672>don't like niggers>it's because you're a cuckdo libtards have anything else to fall back on
>>25195517Economic liberalism, part of which which is fair institutions. Gulf states are largely the beneficiaries of oil money, and the average citizen isn't super wealthy off of it. They'd be doing better if they had more liberal institutions, better justice system, etc.
>>25195004>China has become significantly less liberal throughout Xi Jinping's tenure while also continuing to prosperThat's just the inertia from their more liberal era.
I'm glad this book is popular because it exposes the idea of class conflict and class unity as farces. Race is paramount. If you're white, nons will ALWAYS hate you, even if you're "one of the good ones".
>>25195555It’s actually the reverse where if you coon out or submit to whitey they will never treat you as equal, you must stand up for your rights as men and as workers
>>25195556Our races are locked in a battle to the death. In the final analysis, I have more in common with a white billionaire than a black person of equal socioeconomic status. One day, either I will die by your hand or you by mine. But we are not equals or brothers.
>>25195568>In the final analysis, I have more in common with a white billionaire than a black person of equal socioeconomic statusSo you’re retarded. You’d rather die in Israel for Larry Ellison than share a beer with Tyrone.
>>25195569>you care about your ethnic interests, so you'd rather die for someone else's ethnic interests than share a beer with Tyrone?Are you retarded? Fuck Israel and fuck Larry Ellison. But fuck Tyrone as well, because he hates me and wants me dead just the same.
>>25195576He’s a white billionaire, and Tyrone doesn’t want you dead he want to go home and fuck his girl and watch the game. Are you still picking your white billionaire over your coworker?
>>25195579He's a JEW
>>25195586Okay, so then die for Trump in Israel what difference does it make? Are you starting to see sakais point yet
>>25195620he isn't disagreeing with Sakai's point?
>>25194898I read the book ages ago. From what I remember, the general argument was that economic structures tend to stick and that outcomes were mostly the result of how deeply-embedded institutions like peasantry and serfdom were. I honestly don't see what's objectionable about that.
>>25195620>go fight for Jewish ethnic interests because Jews have successfully organized enough on the basis of their race to lobby the US government to fight wars on their behalfDo you get my point yet? Do you think this war, which until a few hours ago was destroying the global economy and financial markets, was started in the interest of some cosmopolitan global billionaire class?Obviously not, it was started on behalf of Israel and Jewish racial interests like Trump and Rubio and several others openly admitted. Race, ethnicity, nationality are the overriding organizing principles of human society. This is a fact that only white people seem to have forgotten, since certainly non-whites like J. Sakai don't feel brotherhood with their white fellow workers.Fuck you and fuck him and fuck every non-white whose seething hatred for white people penetrates every aspect of their conscious existence. We will never, EVER be allies.
>>25195646Ok death in Israel it is then, thank you for your service to the white race
Oh hey, I read that book when I was in high school. Heard about it on /b/ circa 2005-ish back when you still got commies on there from time to time.My main takeaways were and still are "we should have picked our own goddamn cotton" (which I came up with by myself just like how I thought I invented the word "fucktard" while playing Warcraft III online in 2003) and that the book was not in fact written by a pseudonymous Japanese man but a committee of washed-up revolutionaries very butthurt about how the black liberation movement turned out in the 70s. That or some three-letter agency, probably the CIA.I should re-read it and see if my opinion has changed>>25194590Nothing in that image substantiates your insane claim that there was no such thing as war in Africa until colonialism.>>25195017Good movie.
>>25194510My best guess is that "J Sakai" is multiple people writing under an alias. I did a Tarot reading on who Sakai was and the cards revealed that it was that Michigan professor named Park along with a few of his students who cobbled the book together. Explains why it's written in such an amateurish fashion and why there's no footnotes or citations.
>>25196131It’s fully cited retard
OY VEY! Dis book is antisceptic!
>>25194440youre joking right? this doesn't even make sense. you understood that a profoundly shitty situation could ruin a culture, and then you encountered the people and they were a ruined people with no hope, information you claim you already had, and this somehow made you do a 180 and completely change your beliefs?
>>25194429i agree with the conclusion from the book that unless there is such a severe change in economic conditions in America that whites will never do revolution... however I disagree with the reasoning given and that therefore minorities should lead the people's war or some shit.the us is literally too wide and varied in geography that there's no wider connections a whole city will have with another unlike say france or vietnam. organising anything more complex than a rally let alone an uprising or general strike is fucking impossible. minorities do have deeper connections but theyre lot has improved massively from the 60s thus infinitely blunting the likelihood of any mass movement on theyre end (as if a small group of racial others wouldny cause the majority to lose theyre shit even if they were perfect).Honestly if you just autocorrect this book to be about israwl than the entire book becomes automatically correct.
>>25194717the botswana argument is so fucking stupid, it can only be made by a first worlder who has never left their hometown, you do realize botswana has fewer people than rwanda, and is a literal desert, it is successful because it doesn't have to deal with runaway tribalism like the rest of africa, botswana only has like 2 tribes compared to the rest of africa with more than 10 each competing for resources because some clueless or malicious european thought they should live together and be ruled by a single person, if you don't understand what tribalism is, please just don't talk about it, the closest the west has come to this is the current jew hatred popular in europe and the us, now magnify that 10 times
>>25194692lmao. theres a few of these old school maoist nutcase types who "claim" to have been le ebin badass blue collar workers in the 70s and 80s. sakai gives off major incel energy so i'd imagine he wasn't too popular at the plant in those days. probably viewed as some weird gook
>>25196433>>25194717inb4 rwanda also has two tribes, yes and is 6 times as populated as botswana, and they had to kill almost a million of each other to agree to live with each other, burundi is what rwanda should actually look like in normal circumstances, if you really want to criticize africa and their 'backwardness' you need to intimately understand what tribalism is and how the europeans used it to control africa, otherwise you are just the typical iq poltard
this book was popular with a tiny network of black convicts serving murder, rape, armed robbery charges and all that in prisons. many changed their names to weird african shit and white liberal simps outside viewed them as le ebin guardians of the revolution.truly bizzare stuff, reminds of me Norman Finkelstein's childhood with a crazy mother>One childhood friend recalls his mother's "emotional investment in left-wing humanitarian causes as bordering on hysteria".[8] He "internalized [her] indignation", a trait that he admits rendered him "insufferable" when talking about the Vietnam War, and that imbued him with a "holier-than-thou" attitude he now regrets.
It feels like a lot of this book and its central arguments fell apart after the cold war, when groups like Indians and East Asians became the highest income-earners in the US, while blacks continued to lag way behind the 'hispanics' followed more of an inter-group gradient. In the book, the core claim is something like 'whites - operating as a racial class - have enriched themselves through the exploitation and manipulation of nonwhite groups.'But once there were nonwhite groups getting richer than whites in the US, that claim stopped making logical sense. You have to start introducing all sorts of just-so stories to try and cobble together a coherent explanation which retains the original theses. Instead, whites in the US don't actually seem to be operating as a class, and the systems of 'oppression' are often just generic systems against behavior such as crime which seem to 'oppress' blacks in particular even when the system's operators and managers are no longer white. Which, again, needs special pleading to explain in the context of the book. At a certain point, you might as well just go full NOI and blame 'tricknology,' since it would make just as much sense while being a lot more entertaining to read.
>>25196449To be fair to poltards, their racial ideology would have predicted Rwanda doing relatively well by African standards due to its high percentage of Nilots (as opposed to Bantus). 'Africa' hasn't been a unitary entity in racialist thinking in probably a couple centuries at this point.
>>25196454its bizzare because white americans are the least likely racial "group" to display any form of interracial "unity" or anything like that. "white" is the most divided and heterogenous racial group in the US, in terms of politics, jobs, where they live etc.
Whites are objectively the least racist group on earth, but the only group attacked as "racist" by marxoids.
>>25196456bantus are the majority tribes south of the drc northern border, this is true of rwanda too, the tutsis are in control because of the genocide, i don't know where you get the idea that nilotes are more successful, bantus are farmers and produce most of the food in these countries while nilotes are pastoralists who often get into conflicts with them over land for their livestock, in places like kenya, it gets even worse because they also have cushites, who are also pastoralists and muslim, but the bantus are still the majority while the pastoralists are confined to the semi arid north
This book is just naked anti-white hate and symptomatic of why leftism increasingly has zero appeal amongst non-freaks
>>25196456Rwanda is near 100% Bantu. You're thinking of South Sudan and Chad which are majority Nilo-Saharan. I also don't see who sees Nilotics as particularly superior to Bantus. They're genetically closer to Bantus than anybody else. Supposedly the Kingdom of Kush and the 25th Dynasty of Egypt would have Nilo-Saharan people, but it's unproven what language they actually spoke. Otherwise, the Nilo-Saharans haven't accomplished anything of note.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twenty-fifth_Dynasty_of_Egypt
>>25196264Have you ever seen a leftist or liberal say "Black people are impulsive and dumb because of slavery"? I haven't. The argument is always put in purely economic terms. What I always heard was: "Black people haven't had the chance to build generational wealth", "Black people commit crimes to better their economic situation", "Black people are driven to gangs for security", etc. But the reality is they just do stupid things for no discernable reason other than their poor temperment and intelligence.
>>25194440Not really. This book explains the way white American settlers are kind of 'bought off' with a position racial and economic privilege over black/native people in a way that hinders any form of revolutionary solidarity. You see the same thing in Israel: The majority of Israelis are all incredibly racist and highly right-wing because they have a highly economically privileged position where the state essentially uses violence to steal land for them. If you're actually interested in debunking this view of black people as just kinda innately being greedy/reckless/lazy/etc I think Walter Rodney's "how Europe underdeveloped Africa" shows how that underdevelopment came about in the colonial context both economically and educationally. W.E.B Dubois' "Souls of Black Folk" gives you a similar overview of that process in the American context, albeit in a slightly more literary rather than objective form.
>>25196908I read Rodney in undergrad and I think he underestimates the worth of what Europeans built for Africa. With the benefit of hindsight, let's see what has happened to all of South Africa's infrastructure since the end of white rule. Shit overflowing their sewage systems, copper being stripped out of every public utility, etc.
>>25196919>>25196908None of these books address genetics or inheritable cognitive traits tho, they are missing half the story as it will
>>25196830This. Any writer on this "subject" who doesn't address race, genetics, IQ and human evolution is a snake oil peddling huckster, i dont care if they are "conservative" or "leftist"
>>25195620>right wing is when you worship jewsNot a fan of history huh?
>>25196919It does not really matter what you happened to think as an undergrad unless you did some more serious research than angrily shaking your head while reading the book. Its a work of empirical historical research, not just a philosophical essay you may or may not like the arguments of. Research into unequal exchange has only further confirmed and developed Rodney's initial work, and no serious historian today would claim European colonialism was anything but a huge drain of wealth from Africa to the West.
>>25197010Right wing is worshipping rich people of your own race, who worship jews
>>25196264He was a virgin talking about sex and then he got laid. You're still a virgin.
>>25197145What does the drainage of wealth from Africa have to do with black Americans? Imagine saying white Americans today are stupid because of the 1666 London fire.
I remember this guy making all kinds of wild claims about Chinese workers making up 'most' of the miners and other laborers in the old west, and generating 'most' of the wealth, and building 'most' of the infrastructure in the west and northwest, but I could not find any kind of verification for those claims. Chinese laborers were a presence in the old west because China was an impoverished shithole that suffered constant floods and starvations, but they were mostly marginal in a lot of western history. And their presence was NEVER popular with the other workers. Only with management/capital. But in the book, everyone is merged together into the same group of interests if they white.Which seems objectively wrong, given that Chinese-American incomes are so high, and have been for decades. Overall, I got a lot of seething incel energy from this book.
>>25197293The good news is everyone can read the book for themselves instead of your stupid lies. I’ll be graceful and chalk it up to faulty memory, every claim in the book is sourced.
>>25197293Its odd because Europeans also don't like being lumped in like that but they're going to have to put petty differences aside if they want to survive the mud wave.
>>25197181No, not really. Not all. Right wing can mean many things. I can tell you're a disingenuous leftoid who cannot discern paleolibertarian from neoconservative to national conservative to distributist.
>>25197297Sure, from his ass
>>25197264If you truly believe there is something inherent about black people that makes them lazy or whatever i dont see why the counter-argument should be limited to the American context and not the African one. Obviously if there is a very clear systemic explanation to be given in the African context as to why their economic/educational development has been limited there, perhaps that indicates the genetic explanation might not be a good explanation, including in the American context. It is also why i additionally recommended W.E.B Dubois's "Souls of Black Folk", which does rather beautifully go into the same sort of structural factors limiting education, wealth accumulation and social life for black people in America.
>>25197297Okay, let me find some quotes:>When the famous Lewis & Clark expedition sent out by President Jefferson reached the Pacific in 1804, they arrived some sixteen years after the British established a major shipyard on Vancouver Bay - a shipyard manned by Chinese shipwrights and sailors. There were absolutely no British shipyards in the northwest in the 1790's. The Brits had only visited the region a handful of times, like James Cook's voyage in the late-1770's. The only shipyard in the region was built around 8 years after Lewis and Clark, in the town of Astoria, but I'm not aware of any significant Chinese involvement in that project.>We know that Chinese had been present at the founding of Los Angeles in 1781.Do we? Los Angeles was a small military encampment of the Spanish empire for a long time. It didn't have much importance economically or otherwise. >Chinese workers played a large part as well in bringing out the vast mineral wealth that so accelerated the growth of the U.S. in the West. In 1870 Chinese made up 25% of all miners in California, 21% in Washington, 58% in Idaho, and 61% in Oregon. In California the special monthly tax paid by each Chinese miner virtually supported local government for many years - accounting for 25-50% of all settler government revenues for 1851-70. The source for that is a 1979 book by a Marxist named Ronald Takaki called 'Iron Cages.' Which itself mostly cites from 1870's newspaper articles from a publication called the San Francisco Morning Call. Okay, but it would be better to have some kind of official source, like state or federal records. Sakai's narrative is that 'whites' opportunistically brought in Chinese laborers to enrich themselves then dispossessed those Chinese workers after a period of time. In reality, Chinese workers were attempting to flood into many different nations around the world, and the early US struggled to limit their numbers due to the size and sparse settlement of its western regions. Chinese laborers largely invited themselves, which of course was not going to be popular with American laborers. Why would it be?Also missing from the mention of the Chinese exclusion act was the reciprocity question, something raised at the time. Ie, if China wants the US to make Chinese citizens into American citizens, is the reverse possible? Can Americans become citizens of the Qing dynasty? The answer was absolutely not; the Qing dynasty outright forbade the naturalization of foreigners aside from specific acts of the Emperor.
>>25197309I can, yet all of them worship jews. Curious.>>25197368>>We know that Chinese had been present at the founding of Los Angeles in 1781.>It didn't have much importance economically or otherwiseLmao so you’re just lying
>>25197389The city of LA and the LA region did not become significant until the 1880's. That was when it experienced its first big population boom. Prior to that, it was a small town.
>>25197327I dont even think about it in terms of genetics. I think about what we could do to improve their lot. If you just think "We'll theyre naturally stupid" then youre not gonna think about solutions.In my opinion the causes are under-policing, too much welfare, too much reinforcement from Democrats, too many excuses, just too much leeway from all of society.
>>25197327>Africans got completely dominated by Europeans therefore there are no genetic factors at playwhy did they lose in the first place dummy
>>25197400Then don’t smear him with absurd claims that he made it up you buffoon
>>25194447>EVERYTHING I DISAGREE WITH IS PROPAGANDA
>>25197389Cope
>>25197469He did make that up tho lol. Schizo
>>25197512>Hes a liar there were no Asians in LA>Okay they were there but LA wasn’t significant yet!! Take that!!
>>25197368Takaki was not a credible historian, his book on the atomic bomb was pretty well discredited when it came out
>>25197518Schizo rambling lolI bet you think some black rapist locked up in prison is a "vanguard of the revolution" lolIncel tier like Sakai
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>>25197518The presence or absence of Chinese in LA does nothing to advance Sakai's thesis that whites (as a class) had a specific strategy of 'using' nonwhites (such as the Chinese) for their own economic advantage. It's a rhetorical sleight of hand which is meant to draw implications that don't actually exist. LA was an economic nullity until the 1880's, after the exclusion acts had already been passed, and after the peak of Chinese labor in the western US.
>>25197537>LA was an economic nullity until the 1880's, after the exclusion acts had already been passed, and after the peak of Chinese labor in the western US.Perhaps you would like to actually read the book or at least >>25194601 this excerpt? Sakai expounds on this in great detail, the white playbook is the same for all subjugated subhuman races: enslave for cheap labour, and when they reach critical mass where you can barely control them, outlaw slavery to secure political positions and increase the value of the slaves that remain due to scarcity. Pure capitalist market play, and whiteoids suck it up with almost as much enthusiasm as they have for Jew cum.
>>25197448>americans are getting btfod by the chinese therefore all americans are stupid>americans are getting used by jews, therefore all americans are dumb goys
>>25197327>If you truly believe there is something inherent about black people that makes them lazy or whatever i dont see why the counter-argument should be limited to the American context and not the African one.Because when there are individual copes for Africans in Africa, Africans in America, Africans in Europe, and assorted natives/diaspora with almost unlimited diversity of specific input while reaching almost uniformly common results—the simplest and in fact the only reasonable explanation is genetic factors.
>>25197566So what's the solution, pray tell?
>>25197566The problem is, as noted before, there is no 'white playbook,' since whites in the US have been overtaken in terms of median income by nonwhite groups like Indians and East Asians. If 'whites,' collectively, had any sort of collective racial plan, this would not have happened. The book overall falls into the same category of polemics we have seen since the 1950's, in which a non-white group tries to recruit blacks, specifically, to attack whites. Jews were most prominent in these kinds of ventures, but Asians also tried from time to time, as seen here.The latest round of this sort of thing was in 2020 during the Floyd riots, but it seems like the pattern has burned itself out at least temporarily, since no group right now seems particularly enthusiastic about blacks.
>>25196131>I did a Tarot reading>the cards revealedKeep this shit in /x/.
>>25196454>when groups like Indians and East Asians became the highest income-earners in the US, while blacks continued to lag way behind the 'hispanics' followed more of an inter-group gradient. >But once there were nonwhite groups getting richer than whites in the US, that claim stopped making logical sense. You have to start introducing all sorts of just-so stories to try and cobble together a coherent explanation which retains the original theses. This actually proves Sakai's thesis thoroughly.Groups of people that were once not considered "white" in America, such as the Irish, Italians, European Jews, Finns, Hungarians, etc only gained whiteness after they began reinforcing the system of whiteness. "Model minorities" like East Asians, South Asians, and even Arabs are following the same trajectory.Hell, mixed-race people are now gaining whiteness due to participation in anti-Blackness:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8VI5Bx8J3dE
>>25194568>historical materialismSo pseudo scientific bullshit
>>25195579>>25195620>white interest is dying for ZOGLmao how about no
>>25194571How was Fanon a racialist?
>>25196472>a race with lowest in group bias behind white liberals and moderates is liberal Hispanics and moderate AsiansWeird
He hates Jews, right?
A thousand pages of shit that has 10% the relevance of iq to fill up some noggins
niggers are dumb as rocks just look at them theyre missing the front part of their skull, midwit sociology phd, who probably made a hollywood movie in his mind of every single nigger whos ever been hanged in history
>>25194512Good leave the speeches for art and the politics for science articles
>>25194512who writes this slop?
>>25194526add this one
another classic about race
