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>anarcho
>capitalism
oh man

>>25194606
Do you really want to talk about semantics here?

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>>25194609
>he thinks this is about semantics
nigga you worship property rights

>>25194589
I'm thinking of reading some libertarian/capitalist theory after reading socialist theory, would this be a good reading list?:
Hayek - The Road to Serfdom, Constitution of Liberty, Individualism and Economic Order, The Fatal Conceit
Friedman - Capitalism and Freedom
Menger - Principles of Economics
Mises - Planned Chaos, Bureaucracy, Human Action
Sowell - Basic Economics, Applied Economics
Nozick - Anarchy, State, and Utopia

>>25194743
I'd read Mises' "Socialism" for Economic Calculation Problem

As an ancap, what’s to stop me from voluntarily creating a state

>>25194758
nothing
problem is, would others be willing to participate in your community?

>>25194619
>I just want to steal your toothbrush
Die

>>25194771
>steal
that bad, huh

>>25194743
I was think reading Menger, what am I in for?

>>25194589
Is there any decent Social Libertarian literature that doesn't imply cultural progressivism by default?

>>25194780
>Social Libertarian
oxymoron

>>25194780
It's difficult to see how "social libertarianism" doesn't immediately entail "cultural progressivism," to be frank. What would the reverse even look like? "People can do whatever they want as long as it doesn't harm others, but a man can't wear a dress because... uh... he can't okay. He just can't. But people can do whatever they want" this just oozes desperate straw-clutching retardation

>>25194791
Why would that follow?

Lolbertarianism is a collectivist ideology. That should likewise extend into the social sphere.

i just finished Hoppe's Democracy and it all boils down to the right of secession.
a community should be an aggregate of people who agreed on a contract rather than a group of forcibly integrated people where the govt can unilaterally decide how much taxes imposing on its citizens while having total control of the laws and the army.
the fact that the right of secession is not recognized as a basic human in a "free" and "democratic" world right tells you a lot about the coercive and tyrannical system we live under

>>25194799
>Lolbertarianism is a collectivist ideology
here's your (You)
>>25194819
this anon isn't OP btw, I'm have yet to actually open the book after posting this thread Artemis II is too good to ignore

>>25194791
>What would the reverse even look like? "People can do whatever they want as long as it doesn't harm others, but a man can't wear a dress because... uh... he can't okay. He just can't. But people can do whatever they want" this just oozes desperate straw-clutching retardation
It's more of a "you can try whatever you want in your private community (even communism), but functional society shouldn't allow degeneracy"
I think Hoppe has a quote about this, specifically how "degens" can only flourish in civilization built on "good" ideas (iirc he used himself as an example of atheist vs. religious society)

>>25194835
based goymaxxed corposerf feudalism enjoyer!

>>25194762
I would use the powers of my collective ancap organized members to form a gang called “the state” which is mutually beneficial for us and our subjects

Sorel is also important

>>25194847
if one can't leave your gay orgy that makes your "state" automatically not free

>>25194835
Hayek talked about spontaneous order though

>>25194851
And? What are yo gonna do about it bitch boy? Nothing. Now pay your taxes.

>>25194589
>No satanic section

Incomplete pic

>>25194853
>Hayek
if it wasn't clear I'm more interested in capital-L Libertarians
>>25194856
wasn't that stuff more in line with Rand's objectivism / rational egoism?

>>25194782
I'm more or less talking about shit like Konkin (and the left Rothbardians in general) and stuff slightly to the left of Hayek.

>>25194851
Oh you can leave, but that means you’re subject to us exercising our freedom and denying you access to clean water, energy, food. Good luck building that up on your own, by the way the states titles office doesn’t recognize that land you’re currently sitting on, we will be taking it for redevelopment which is mutually beneficial for our ancap gang

>>25194862
Oh, in that case I think it might be a problem with the fact that "baseline" ancap, the one kids get memed into, isn't really centered around preserving culture of your people or similar "conservative" ideas. Even Rothbard recognized this later in his life (see Nations by Consent)
Younger or, from point of view, older? Rothbardian theory, i.e. baseline ancap, is already "progressive". Going even further to left from them surely results in more """woke"""

>>25194848
what's his addition to philosophy other than being a proto-fascist?

why do lolberts still exist lol?

>>25194606
>But anarchy means no hierarchies, and hierarchy is an essential component of capitalism.
Boo hoo nigger. No one above the age of 16 cares about your invalid conception of anarchy. Anarchy, when properly understood, is the absence of aggression, which is fully compatible with capitalism.

>>25194758
>As an ancap, what’s to stop me from voluntarily creating a state
If you're an ancap, then you believe in the NAP. The state by its nature violates the NAP. Any attempt to establish a state is an act of aggression.

>>25194879
Is that why no one really has filled the left wing paleolibertarian niche yet?

>>25196895
His thought is somewhat mysterious honestly and he shifted around a lot during his life

The only libertarian book I've read is Brightsuit MacBear.

>>25194855
>"I'm going to establish a state in Ancapistan!"
>"Then it would no longer be anarcho-capitalism."
>"Haha, what are you going to do to stop me?"
>"I'll treat you like any other criminal gang."
This whole "what if I establish a state" objection is based on a fundamental misunderstanding of the philosophy. You might as well be saying "if rape is so bad because it's involuntary, what if I start voluntarily raping people?" It's a completely unserious objection to anyone that understands the concept of rape. Also "what are you gonna do about it?" isn't a valid retort to the argument that establishing a state in anarchism is a contradiction in terms.
>>25194863
>Oh you can leave, but that means you’re subject to us exercising our freedom and denying you access to clean water, energy, food.
Why would one firm be providing all these services in a free market? You know that there are diseconomies of scale too right? It simply isn't profitable for a firm to grow too much.
>by the way the states titles office doesn’t recognize that land you’re currently sitting on
Property is determined by homesteading and voluntary trade, not fiat. Any attempt to seize property on the basis of fiat is an aggressor. So either you don't understand the basics of Libertarianism, or you're just pretending you don't to get some (you)s. In all likelihood, I'd say it's the latter.

maybe there would be more ancaps if their books werent 10000 pages long

>>25198160
yeah
Paleo is libertarianism-lite for conservatives that care about the economy
applying "libert-lite" principle to left ideas would probably result in an ideology that wants more drugs on the street (or something similarly retarded)

>>25198406
yeah but I mean like having Hoppean ideas with public safety nets. kind of like fascism but without a strong authoritarian state involved. I guess Proudhon fits the niche but he was too hostile to religion.

>>25198200
>unserious objection to anyone that understands the concept of rape
well not to be that guy but rape itself as a crime stands on shaky foundations as it is thanks to metoo. dig deep enough and its legal justification for its banishment makes as much sense as making drugs illegal.

>>25198248
Anarcho-capitalism is such an Aryan ideology that it's TOO intellectual for the niggers

>>25194589
Geg, my philosophy professor is an unironic ancap

>>25198668
based