What's the best surreal lit? What's the best outsider lit?
Try F Gardner, you’ll love him. No it’s not me, before you ask or assume, okay?
>>25195923Yes it is you, dude. Get lost. Buy an ad. Oh wait, you did, and still nobody bought or read your trash. You should've never been taught to read or write or even speak any language. You don't deserve it.
I know he's basic and definitely not "outsider", but I love Haruki Murakami's stuff
>>25196050What's his most surreal work?
>>25196075Wind Up Bird Chronicle and Kafka on the Shore are both pretty trippy
Always liked Kobo Abe
>>25195897>surrealIn the dream sense, I'd recommend the Voyeur by Alain Robbe-Grillet. His novel In the Labyrinth is also great.
>>25195897Steve Erickson
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>>25195897For surreal lit those frenchies like Mallarme (very sparse) Alfred Jarry and especially Rimbaud are often more surreal than the surrealists. Oh and of course Maldoror is pretty essential.Seldom used as an example but the latter half of Ulysses too is very surreal especially when you juxtapose it with the first half.
>>25196858"Surreal" doesn't mean "weird." And there's nothing surreal about Ulysses.
>>25195897>What's the best outsider lit?Striking and Picturesque Delineations of the Grand, Beautiful, Wonderful, and Interesting Scenery Around Loch-Earn by Angus McDiarmid
>>25195897Naked Lunch Jesus Son Behead All Satans Fanged Noumena my diari desu
>>25197208>"Surreal" doesn't mean "weird."No shit it doesn’t.The nighttown part is pretty surreal
>>25196858How does de nerval compare?
>>25195897Janny, of course.
>>25198072Who?Do you mean janitors? And...... they aren't paid???????
>>25195897Would Burroughs qualify?
>>25198066I’ve yet to read him but I know he dealt with the subconscious, big influence on Proust. Seems like Rimbaud but more “spiritual”>>25197208Circe is literally 150+ pages of “hallucinations” where fantasy and reality blend in the consciousness of the main characters.
>>25198196>“hallucinations”Is he on drugs? What was his deal?
>>25199956I wonder. it seems more like imaginations running wild in a somewhat alien setting for Bloom and inebriation for Stephen. Bloom gets all horny because they’re in a brothel and in the space of a few seconds (30 pages) imagines the somewhat masculine prostitute Bella growing a thicker mustache than the one she already had, turning into a man, Bloom turning into a woman and being turned into a bitch basically by all the prostitutes there by drinking their piss and getting his feminine balls squeezed. Oh he also gets an arm shoved up his new cunt and then gets auctioned and then humiliated by his daughter then sacrificed I believe, before meeting some nymph who shames him. Then you’re back out of his mind and realise only about 2 seconds had passed. This is just the most drawn out of all the wacky fantasies in that chapter. Stephen’s are more shameful, religious and “monstrous” I guess. No wonder Jung thought Joyce schizophrenic.
>>25195897Based LSD Dream Emulator appriciater.
>>25195897I always like In the Miso Soup by R. Murakami.
>>25195897Surreal? For me it’s The Unconsoled by Ishiguro, hands down.
>>25200496YesThat and Yume Nikki embody surrealism in a way literature never canI'm starting to think that surrealism can only exist in visual mediumsLike Remedios Varo or Twin Peaks or Poorly Planned ComicsHell, even 21 the World is better than most surrealist literature And surrealist poetry is just trash. All of it.
>>25200539No, you’re just a fucking moron.
>>25200542Why
>>25200628Nta but surrealist poetry limns more vivid imagery than the others in my opinion. What don’t you like about it?
>>25200658Cuz the visual image can be experienced without thought, whereas the written image must be experienced via thought, and thinking is the enemy of surrealism. Thinking destroys the illusion. It's like being in a dream. You don't know you're dreaming, you assume wordlessly that it's real. But when you start thinking, you become lucid and either wake up or gain control over the dream. Either way, it's no longer surreal. It's just nonsense sensation.
>>25200713Fair point. Though I’ll say with surrealist poetry your reading the subconscious of the poet in the same way you’re viewing or playing through the subconscious of the artist. I feel it’s always going to be an emulation. That’s why I prefer surreal poetry because to me, if say, I’m in a state of hypnogogia, reading something like A Season in Hell, the imagery will be there in my mind without me trying to think it, it will be mine, and it will be strange. But, perhaps I’m using that state of mine as a crutch.
