>mogs le heckin Quixote>mogs all dusty 19th century soap operas>mogs Moby-Dick>mogs Ulysses>mogs Faulkner and all corncobby derivatives >mogs all the other pomo fanfic it spawned (Gravity's Rainbow, etc)>is the single greatest work of American literature in your pathHow did he do it, Gaddisbros?
>>25197762>>mogs le heckin Quixote >>mogs Moby-Dick>>mogs UlyssesNo.
>It appears my superiority has led to some controversy
>>25197778Yes, actually.
>>25197918Nuh uh.
>>25197918Zero chance, decidedly.
>>25197762it's not that good, settle down
>>25197926>>25197937>>25198024Go back
>>25197762Nobody has ever once been able to tell em what this book is actually about
>>25198033To where exactly? No one in their right mind would call Gaddis better than Joyce or Tolstoy.
So, can anyone actually articulate their opinion on this or even demonstrate having read it? Can you be lit instead of just /lit/?
>>25198067For some reason the hatred towards Gaddis and Pynchon have gone into overdrive recently. Even DFW threads are popping back up. I have no idea what the fuck is going on.
>>25198073The seething anon who made the previous Gaddis thread made plans with other anons (blatant samefagging) to wage war on Gaddis, DFW, and Pynchon.
>>25198073But pynchon is genuinely trash
>>25198073>>25198081schizo samefag
>>25198097No one cares enough about this to samefag. But this seems to be a topic that's really important to you. Why?
>>25197762>que?>xote
>>25198073>>25198081This is pathetic, definitely, why someone would go out of their way to do such a thing against a man who died years ago? I don’t know. But I haven’t seen anyone in this thread express hatred for Gaddis; just disagreeing with OP’s lofty opinion that The Recognitions is better than all the other books he mentioned. If you equate that to hatred, then that’s your problem, really.
>>25198127but no one was talking to you, so what are you crying about?
Havent read his books yet, but planned to start with JR becuase it sounds more interesting and funny. 950 pages about art forgery sounds painful
>>25198134No need for projection today, anon. I was just saying no one has said anything bad about him in this thread and you decide to say:>no one asked you!Come on… you could have at least said something along the lines of “I was talking about that thread that was up for months”.
>>25198104He is really invested in it, he kept his previous Gaddis thread bumped for 3 months, it finally died last night.>>25198127It is not OPs opinion, he is baiting. He has been at this for probably 6 months now, he seems consumed enough for it to be hatred but I doubt it is actually hatred of these particular authors who I have yet to see any evidence of him having read.
>>25198161what exactly is it you are bitching about?
>>25198073What's happening is millennial uncs are astonished to find their faddish tastes aren't universal and newgens don't think Pynchon is le epic bacon winnar.
>>25198166I could ask the same of you>>25198165I see. That clears it up, what’s his fucking beef with Gaddis of all people? Was he bullied by a Gaddis reader or something?
god i hate nabokov
>>25198183you're still crying?
>>25198183I think he is just underage and under the mistaken impression that this is how 4chan works.
>>25198183>I could ask the same of yougayest reply of the thread award
>>25197762It's great, brilliant even, but I like Moby-Dick/Ulysses/GR more. Quixote is okay, but I don't really see why everyone holds it up as the GOAT. Faulkner I'm not a fan, both TSATF and AILD rubbed me the wrong way, but I'm withholding my judgment until I read Absalom.
>>25198067I feel like I am the least qualified to give my two cents on itIt is actually the first novel I have read in its original language aside for middle brow sci-fi pulp, so I definitely missed a lot about itI can say I wasn't wowed by the prose, which I expected to be much more exuberant based on anons' recs. It seemed to me like it was much more dense in contents rather than rich in style. But again, ESL, so can't really judge on that. Since the theme of the thread seems to be comparison to other modernists and post-modernists, comparisons that admittedly have been made by the critics as well, I'd say it fits some kind of middle ground where it isn't either as experimental as ulysses or creative and out-there as GRI enjoyed most of anything to do with wyatt and the art forgery plot as well as his mystical crisis. It actually made me buy a copy of golden bough at a flea market I still have to read. My opinion on the novel is bound to raise or worsen depending on how much of that subplot has been lifted wholesale from that essayThe Otto section takes up too much of the book, though I did end up relishing in his misery for most of it. I am aware it is making a satire of how shallow and fake artsy high society types are, but understanding that doesn't make it any less mindnumbing to sit through the endless parties and conversations. The reason why they all thought Otto plagiarised his novel was brilliant and an highlight of the bookStanley is a comparatively much more interesting character that doesn't get nearly enough space, so much so that in the did his sub plot end up feeling more like a parable than a narrative, a parable i do not getTranslation of it is finally available after having been out of print for decades, so I am definitely checking that out eventually and see how my opinion changes, though it will cost me a pretty pennyOP is hyperbolic and a faggot as usual, but that's the way you are supposed to start threads in this board
>>25198063>No one in their right mind would call Gaddis better than [...] Tolstoy.I would.
>>25198295Well… fair enough. Are you in your right mind? I must reconsider my conclusion on that statement I made, if you say that you are.
>>25198294His style is very rich, actually. The way he structures his sentences, uses rhythm or injects an emotional thread into it is really something. I also like how subtle he can be Where Pynchon would blast a piece of information at full volume or try to hide it among the noise, Gaddis mentions it almost offhandedly; it's muted and easy to miss if you're not paying attention, there's a certain elegance to it.That's my impression of his style after 200 pages or so, the Recognitions is my current read. Haven't read his other books, but AFAIK both JR and Agape are mostly dialogue.>The music is Mozart's, the Concerto Number Seven in F Major for three pianos. —I wish . . . Esther says. In a feverish conspiracy of order the notes of the music burst from the radio in the other room where it is dark. They thrust there in the darkness against hard surfaces and angles as sharp as themselves. Possibly molecules are rearranged, set dancing, in a sympathy which lasts no longer than the duration of the note; possibly not, but there is the lighted doorway, to be entered in a concerted rush, the naked soles of a man's feet hung over the end of the bed, calloused and unlikely targets. —I wish . . . Esther says. Her hand moves quickly, but too late, where she has been pausing, holding cloth. Her breast, bared, and not especially full but standing out, centered and still, is very real to her and to no one else: her hand moves there quickly but too late as a note from one of three pianos strikes with the purpose of a blade, and has entered with the cold intimacy of a penknife in the heart. —I wish . . .
There is a moon shaped rictus in the streetlamp's globe where a stone has gone and from this aperture there drifts down through a constant helix of aspiring insects a faint and steady rain of the same forms burnt and lifeless.
>>25198294>esl is more lit than 99% of the efls on /lit/You are right about placing him somewhere between Joyce and Pynchon stylistically, he is firmly in the late modernists when they were done experimenting and figuring out how to most effectively apply all those experiments. Which is not to say that Gaddis did not experiment but most of his experimentation is in the dialogue which relies heavily on idiomatic language and a knowledge of the culture which will be lost on the majority of ESLs, which is probably part of your issue with Otto whose part in the novel is filled with humor. Otto is not the satire, he is the control, he is not a part of that group, they are an ideal to him which is deeply tied up in his ideal of himself. You will probably get more from a translation, assuming the translation is decent. Gaddis also experiments a bit with the narration, we see it most clearly in the first chapter of part 2, Otto's father; it starts out with his trip home and the subway ride, the crushing weight of lead; the prose becomes as weighty as what it is describing, fairly traditional content informing style for mood, but then he gets home and style morphs into a function of character, the style picks up everything that makes Mr. Privner irritating and insufferable in a very complicated way we can't quite put our finger on; there is nothing to really to hate him for but we really want to hate him because how he reflects on us (same as his son, the apple did not fall from the tree). Here Gaddis is making do with narration for all those things he normally relies on dialogue for, there is no one for Mr. Privner to talk to so he has to get creative with the narration. He does this a good amount in the narration but never to the extent he does with Mr. Privner and this is quite new and experimental. Others sort of played with it but never to this extent and we don't really see it taken up again until The Pale King which takes the idea to the extreme and we get Mr. Privner taken to the extreme with Stecyk and that complicated hatred becomes the entire point. Thanks for giving me some hope for this shithole.
>>25198427Good lord, it's insane how long you can waffle on something ypu can't understand
>American literatureYou have to be over 18 to post here.
>>25198690At least he can discuss the book. Which is better than most people here. Some midwit posts anime pictures in every pynchon thread but when it someone engages him to discuss the books he runs away.
>>25198726>heFuck off. This is that same pychon slop consumer. All he does is make nonsensical posts about writers and their works. He doesn't even understand how narration works
>>25198427>he is firmly in the late modernists when they were done experimenting and figuring out how to most effectively apply all those experimentsYou don't even understand what late modernism is/was, retard. Gaddis is not a late modernist, and pynchon is not an experimental writer.
>>25198690Go ahead, lets see what you got. >>25198750>just trust me broNah. No one called Pynchon experimental,
>>25197762Why did Harold Bloom always snub him?
Is there anything that can hang with this book? I read it last two summers ago and it was awesome
>>25198294>It is actually the first novel I have read in its original language aside for middle brow sci-fi pulpUnless your native language is some literal oogabooga tribal shit without any literature of its own, there is no excuse for this
>>25199878Guy was a teaboo
>>25197762>is the single greatest work of American literature in your pathIt's not even the final boss of American lit
>>25199913if i read this over the summer will it scratch my itch for a recognitions type book
