This universe seems to reward only a very small number of people with fame, power, and meaning (like pic rel). Most others endure hardship and struggle to find purpose. Why do so many accept this without question? They’ll likely never reach what society calls “success,” yet they continue on as if nothing has changed. Your only real option is rebellion against an indifferent universe. The only correct position is antinatalism and/or suicide for most people.The fact is reality has betrayed it self, it has betrayed most of its children. you are created in a universe that is of you (meaning supposedly for you, you're supposed to be God in a playground) but is actively indifferent to your condition. For most people, you are the universe cucking it self. your only sane option is to opt out in an act of rebellion against this retarded universe. When you play natalism, when you play "I will exist for another day", you are ultimately playing the worst move against your self. you will never win. the game is fucking rigged you buffoons.I just made the best argument for antinatalism. you are cucks with no real way to refute to this. because I know that most of you are losers. This only doesn't apply for the 1%.
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What’s with all the bot threads and/or /pol/ tourists coming here to shit up the board?
>>25197941the Iran war made the /pol/ leak and now there's even more brown "peoples" using the site
>>25197936at least say 'books for this feel?' ffs. this is a literature board.
>>25197938>>25197941>>25197958TLDR; you are supposed to be God, instead you are a cuck.
>>25197936>"success"This is a yankee psy-op. Most people are content if it's sunny, they can eat and drink something good and take a walk with a friend.Yesterday it was sunny and I was out with my brother, he offered me a burrito bowl and a coke. Then we went on a walk and we talked for four hours about random stuff. It's honestly the best feeling. Plato knew this btw, read the Phaedrus.
>>25197936What's up with this mutt idea of "success" being to attain fame, power and meaning? I swear, Americans, of all walks of life, are so mentally fucking miserable and devoid of anything meaningful. Rich, poor, white, black, hispanic, whatever, you all are fucking miserable.
>>25198497>>25198330Based there are usa people that arent like this tho, like alaska or utah but even on those places they are retards that worship the LA lifestyle
>>25198017Are you going to kill yourself already? We will need proof of it though. You are the biggest cuck of all of you, after posting all that faggotry, don’t kill yourself. As others have stated here, your idea of happiness is a materialistic one. You’ll never be happy the way you are.
>>25197936> This universe seems to reward only a very small number of people with fame, power, and meaning (like pic rel). fame,power are derived from other people, without them your so called successful people becomes nothing burger
>>25197936>fame, power, and meaningdo u need training wheels to ride a bicycle too
>>25197936>If you don't reach what society calls 'success' life is not worth livingI can't think of a more cucked philosophy than this.
>>25197936The only metric by which life was rewarded perpetuation is ability to survive long enough to reproduce.Fame, power aren't meaning. Meaning can be found in many places, you've just got to make it for yourself.Modern society is a set of hamster wheels providing hollow surrogate feedback to keep it going, the great machine dominates the human spirit and every day thousands die without ever approaching anything close to a notion of what it was all about. Bad endings are possible, and increasingly probable. Create space for yourself entirely independent of society's vices and expectations, a little bubble somewhere for you to develop whatever capacity you yearn for. I'd say striving to do whatever you can to make tomorrow better for everyone is a good enough meaning.
>>25197936>The only correct position is antinatalismOh it's one of those threadsHow's everyone else doing?
Problem is, you always kill yourself too late.There is no escape.
>>25197936You’re calling the game rigged, then choosing the worst scoreboard (fame/status) and acting surprised you “lose.” That’s self-sabotage, not insight.“Only 1% win” only if you define winning as being the 1%. That’s a circular definition, not a profound truth.The universe can’t “betray” you if it has no intentions. Indifference ≠ conspiracy.Opting out isn’t rebellion. You’re not defying anything—you’re just removing yourself from the only place where anything happens.Most people aren’t deluded NPCs—they’re just playing a different game (relationships, craft, autonomy) that you’ve arbitrarily decided doesn’t count.You’re comparing global dominance to local meaning and calling the latter fake. That’s a category error.If life were truly net-negative for “most,” behavior wouldn’t look the way it does. Your model doesn’t match reality.This isn’t a devastating argument for antinatalism—it’s a narrow definition of success stretched until everything else looks like failure.You’re not exposing a harsh truth—you’re committing to a lens that guarantees despair, then mistaking it for clarity.
>>25198497base materialism
>>25197941Mods here and /his/ allow all sorts of political garbage to be posted under the guise of board content. /his/ is especially bad and has essentially become a dedicated "fight about Abrahamic religion" board.>I just made the best argument for antinatalismWhat does this have to do with literature? In a just world this thread would be deleted and OP would be banned but instead it's been up for half a day.
>>25197936You've attached a picture of Plato. Perhaps consider learning from him.These questions are only explainable through metaphysics and a knowledge of the cosmos' holistic functioning, particularly reincarnation.Human beings belong to a particular order of being intermediate in the hierarchy of life. We have at once the capacity to do good and do bad (which is privation).The Good is not always transparent to us from our distant standpoint in the cosmos, but can be discerned if we will it. If we don't align with the positive (which is God), however, and dedicate ourselves to the lower impulses of our existence, then we grow distant from God in a process that accumulates over the course of multiple incarnations.Your purpose as a human being is to live in accordance with the Good and contribute to the union of this sphere of existence with the divine through virtuous and moral acts.If most people are suffering, it's because they live in a world that has denied them of this knowledge. Just like you, they have no idea what they're doing ir why they're doing it. This is not the fault of God, but our turning away from Him.
>>25198497Meaning is the big one, the other two are just weird. Pursuing power for power's sake is kinda the opposite of meaning, and fame too.
>>25198831It's the american version of it that's entirely retarded. You can be a materialist and still have normal standards for what constitutes a successful and happy (material) life: a nice shelter, good food, a nice partner for sex, etc. Only americans need this super-sized version of materialism where the point is to have the largest house, the largest food portion, the largest amount of hot sex partners etc. - this makes no fucking sense. I don't understand how they fail to see that this is a metaphysically obese form of thinking, even for a materialist. And I have a very strong suspicion that this super-sizing is actually predicated on entirely abstract criteria - so that it becomes important because it (abstractly) signals something about your social status, rather than making you merely "materially" happy (for which, again, the threshold is very low).
>>25197936the problem is that you already lost when you were born and suicide won't undo that, it will only make you more pathetic for not being able to endure the punishment to which you have already been assigned to by birth
>>25197936Do you think people with fame and power are happy becausd of it? Nay, I say; they feel yet a greater discontent and yearning than you do, because they've spent their lives feeding the beast within, whose appetite is never sated. You can see it in how famous and powerful people are the ones most desparate to increase their fame and power. Society is lying to you by saying status, wealth, and power are "success" or that they'll give you meaning. The world is, in fact, trying to keep you from doing the exact things that will give you purpose and contentment; and those things are, family, community, the pursuit of wisdom, detachment from ensnaring pleasures such as the world offers you, and turning toward the lasting, eternal, metaphysical Good of which all earthly goods are but an incomplete reflection.>>25198017I can think of no greater cuckoldry than anti-natalism/suicide. You're literally cucking yourself out of life in one case, and out of one of the most meaningful things a human being can do (having and raising children) in the other.
>>25198993It's about domination and animalistic avarice, like the Bronze Age god-kings and sorcerors who enslaved entire populations and yet still felt the need to make demonic pacts for yet more power. We have, in abandoning and rejecting the very concept of structure and tradition (thinking ourselves Enlightened and Progressive), regressed to the base and wretched defaults from which the old traditions and perscriptive ways of living raised us up and protected us. We are encouraged to do what feels most "natural" to us, to try to sate whatever urges are, in the moment, strongest, when the wisdom of our ancestors from time immemorial should be teaching us that some of the strongest and most "natural" urges only lead to ruin and suffering, and that the impulses that lead to a better way of life must be sought out among the noise and nurtured.There is an inherent competitive aspect that humans have, which manifests at the lowest end as envy, resentment at the unfulfilled desire to have more than others, or the desire to dominate and lord over those who have less than you.This is also why addictions are so prevalent, we believe that if it's pleasurable then it's good and anyone telling us otherwise just wants to restrict us; but in fact, what restricts us is the inability to let go of those pleasures, which end up consuming us; we would have been more free had we not been free to choose to be slaves of those pleasures.
To experience beauty wherever you find it, in grief, regret, pain; in joy, dreams, creation; in longing, striving, finding.
>>25197936Beating my meat all over your mommas eyes.
>>25198682Thanks, chatgpt.
>>25197936>>25197936Or maybe all those expectations about our place in the universe were always naive, the universe did nothing wrong, and the fact that you would think to suggest such a thing indicates an intolerable hubris that certainly excludes you from that .000000000... 01% of people who could do a meaningful thing.And maybe setting the field with the most asinine, superficial markers like "success" is playing with the lowest-hanging fruit and anything worth doing has to be descovered and vitalized by chads like myself who don't feel like existing is a huge burden, but an indescribably beautiful thing.Go fuck yourself, and take your friends and family with you to the void, pretty please with sugar on top.
>>25199055100% correct. Desire leads to suffering, and our current society desires endless materialistic pleasure for subjugation against others, but without any true self-exploration of the mind, and the unconscious, they will remain lost in the fog.
>99.99999999999...% of people?So what you’re saying is, only 1/83000th of a singular person doesn’t apply?
Blame it on ze juice like most of the other /pol/ACKs.
>>25199055Absolutely this. Plato's discussion on pleonexia maps this 100% - it's this deranged desire to have more for the sake of having more that ultimately turns against your body and your soul.
how about you worry about yourself first
>>25198330>This is a yankee psy-op. Most people are content if it's sunny, they can eat and drink something good and take a walk with a friendNone of which you can do in London without getting mugged by Pollacks
>>25198497I dunno I feel okay. I doubt you've actually been here and just base your assumptions off memes.
>>25197936>I'll kill myself, making me the winnerLmao okay
