overrated?
>>25199518It's barely even rated by anyone at all, 99% of the people who have even heard the name "Cormac McCarthy" don't know it exists.
>>25199518Barely anyone talks about it, so hardly. Compared to Blood Meridian and Road it's actually underrated.
>>25199518Another edition of OP gets hard filtered
>>25199521>>25199522i guess you guys are right, the road has 1,000,000 reviews. its one of his least reviewed books which I did not know
>>25199527So you made this post without any basic research?
>>25199546yeah pretty much
4trooners love to call books known by .1% of the literate population "overrated" and people who are smarter than 99.99% of humans (incuding themselves) "pseuds"
>>25199548>>25199546theres also a sense in which it can be qualitatively overrated rather than quantitatively
>>25199518Blood Meridian is my favorite book by him but I do think Suttree is objectively his best work. Those first 50 or so pages are dripping with style.I think idea of him being haunted by his dead twin or some sort of anti-Suttree is really interesting.Love this book 2bh
>>25199554Any we’re supposed to guess what you meant?
>>25199559Chat GPT is down the hall and to the left if you need help
>>25199554That doesn’t mean it is. I prefer the crossing though so perhaps it’s overrated to me in the sense that many prefer it over The Crossing.
>>25199560Chat would ask what the context is, too, you retard.
>>25199518In the sense a handful of contrarians will keep insisting it's his best yes. But overall it's kinda underrated.
>>25199635It’s without a doubt his best
>>25199674There's some doubt.
>>25199682There is because it’s his second best.
Maybe it's because I'm ESL, but Cormac McCarthy is Reddit incarnated; He's not better than George R. R. Martin... maybe that's too much, he's better than fat Martin, but he's not THAT goodHe's like a worse (and edgier) version of Faulkner
>>25199717He is what he is, like all of us and all things are. But yes, what he is is inferior to Faulkner. That’s hardly a diss though. If you’ve read George R R Martin (or watched the shows) you’re a fag though
>>25199518Nah. Its really great.
>>25199717Capeshit is reddit incarnated.
>>25199717There were some people who tried to argue he was above Joyce and Faulkner the other day (lol) but you’re still a retard because he’s actually a pretty good writer. It’s likely insulting to mention him next to GRRM considering the fact he’s just fantasy slop.
>>25199771I think there’s 2-3 maybe 4 fags that argue for or against McCarthy here. The juvenovella fag ranting against him incessantly (surprised he hasn’t popped up yet) and the idiots who claim he was some sort of sage and prophet and the best writer ever. Very few level headed people view him for what he was, a teller or entertaining stories.
>>25199717McCarthy at his very best could surpass Faulkner imo. But overall Faulkner's more solid.
>>25199784A great one too. His prose, though nothing revolutionary was still better than most of his era and he could write some very vivid sentences. His influences make him entertaining and Suttree in particular I like because of how indebted to Joyce it is.>>25199801I wouldn’t agree there, he comes close, but never quite matches him.
>>25199518Anons who've read it, is it actually any good? I've only read Blood Meridian, The Road, No Country for Old Men, and All the Pretty Horses (still gotta finish the border trilogy). I'd like to read more of his work but I hear of people getting filtered by this one all the time. If Blood Meridian didn't filter me will I be fine with this one? I'm quite fond of Kerouac so I don't think stream of conciousness would be that filtering for me.
>>25199871its not about getting "filtered" its about whether or not you enjoy the book
>>25199518It's a tricky one because everyone starts it, reads the first 60 pages and says about how well written and underrated it isA couple hundred pages later and the rambling Dubliners style narrative and tense shifting gets a little old and you double back thinking it's overratedI think it's underrated but you do have to be a bit of McCarthy fanboy to get the most of out it, it being so autobiographical and all
>>25199717
>>25199880OP here. this is it, this is what im feeling. It isnt that long, should I just finish it?
>>25199880>A couple hundred pages later and the rambling Dubliners style narrativeI think McCarthy is great, but he gets a bit too ambitious at times; he doesn’t really have the level of skill required to emulate Joyce.
>>25199880>actively having some sort of rate-o-meter bouncing around for every sentence you readThat's totally how adults interact with art, yep.
>>25199801It what regard? McCarthy didn't hack it as a southern gothic writer. Faulkner was also more prolific. McCarthy was inspired by Go Down, Moses. I don't see how you surpass someone you failed to emulate.
>>25199717Wow, they have Pynchon AND Cormac? Maybe reddit it's alright after all.
>>25199771>>25199801Faulkner isn't even a good writer>>25199927>made up bs the postFaulkner is a poor imitation of Conrad
>>25200516I was wondering when you midwits would show up.
>>25200516If the sound and the fury made your head go ouchie, it's okay.
>>25199518First thing since Orchard Keeper that was remarkable. And apart from some visionary stuff in it, and the ghouls in Outer Dark, you could see Blood Meridian coming after it. Suttree contrasts more starkly against the late work style than BM in some ways. >>25199871It's funny. Picaresque vulgarity Tom Sawyer. If you enjoyed those, it'll be just fine.>>25199880Sags with the gambling and clammer family, which beggars belief (the same way the swineherds did in Outer Dark). But it ends strong.
>>25199784>The juvenovella fag ranting against him incessantly (surprised he hasn’t popped up yet) LMAO all of them here. All the butthurt joycefags and faulknercucks are here also.>>25199771Reading comprehension? The argument wasn't about who was better. The argument was that McCarthy was more unique and distinctive in his appropriation of his influences than either Joyce or Faulkner, which is true. That thread proved that Joyce wankers and faulkner keks are illiterate and unironically think that the two of them invented literature (lol). Only McCarthyfags brought any legit receipts to the thread. Even now some joyce wanker is arguing about "le revolution" when the most revolutionary element in Ulysses was shamelessly copied from Dujardin with some quality of life changes. I don't even mean it in a demeaning way, Ulysses might be the most exhaustively derivative work ever. Then you have faulkner, who was ripping off Joyce big time.... yeah not the best people to worship If these guys were closer to our time and litfags were better read they'd have been torn apart.
>>25199801Mccarthy is a way better writer, he just doesn’t write about the things that npc litfags enjoy.
>>25200547You have been in the thread all along>>25200549Still buttblasted? Pick up Nostromo and read the better version of faulkner
>>25200583God, you pathetic loser, you really can’t take someone saying your favourite writer isn’t as good as another without sperging out like a retard, can you? Also, yeah, you were talking about uniqueness in McCarthy over the other two; it’s clear to see this is your argument as to why he’s better. If you see no similarities in Suttree to Joyce then you actually are retarded.
>>25200636>>25200583They’re all great in their own way, you lunatics, now shut up, you faggots are treating it like some sort of sports team rivalry man this board gets on my nerves
>>25200636>le projectionLol kill yourself.>If you see no similarities in Suttree to Joyce then you actually are retarded.There are actually many, which is why it is far from McCarthy’s best work. I have the balls to say it because unlike you retards I have actually read all these writers in question. But it is only you wankers who have read nothing in between Shakespeare and early 20th century modernists who then try to prop Joyce and Faulkner as heralds of le nouveau roman, as if they aren't cribbling, and doing it more shamelessly than CM, from previous sources.
>>25199927>you failed to emulate.Have you faulknerfags ever stopped to wonder that what you call a failure to emulate might just be refusal to do so? This is very common among the faulkner fanbase, as if writing like faulkner is the only way to write southern gothic, a genre that have been around since half a century before faulkner's birth.
>>25199812Name one example of revolutionary 20th century prose besides Hemingway
>>25200669I’ve read stuff from then and more. In fact, I know how derivative Joyce, Faulkner (especially) and Cormac all are. I’m saying you’re sperging out when you really don’t have to. For the record. I don’t think either three are the best novelists. I still think Joyce was able to perfect his own sort of style, though not as unique as others, from the history of distinct styles, look at Rabelais, look at Flaubert, Carroll look at Oxen of the Sun, as we know, none of that is his own and look at the schema of the book itself. We’re aware of this, he came after, which facilitated in some manner his cultivation. Faulkner though, well he just copied Joyce as you said, but he did it pretty damn well in my opinion. Also Suttree is awesome… not his best (that’d be The Crossing imo) but come on.
>>25200688Proust
>>25200706Read any of the French decadents
>>25199717>REDDIT REDDIT REDDIT EVERYTHING IS REDDITholy shit shut the fuck up faggot
>>25199927Mccarthy is a much better stylist and a far more competent philosopher. Faulkner's later work was dreck because he started to fancy himself a thinker. Mccarthy is less prolific but he doesn't have a single bad book, arguably not even a mediocre book. Faulkner has more mediocre books than good books.
So this is how it's going to be from now on? Corncobs threads either devolve in reddit poopdickschizo namecalling or Faulknerfags vs McCarthyfags consolewars?
The first hundred pages or so really does hold some of my favourite lines though, peak McCarthy imo>The neap mud along the shore lies ribbed and slick like the cavernous flitch of some beast hugely foundered and beyond the country rolls away to the south and the mountains. Where hunters and woodcutters once slept in their boots by the dying light of their thousand fires and went on, old teutonic forebears with eyes incandesced by the visionary light of a massive rapacity, wave on wave of the violent and the insane, their brains stoked with spoorless analogues of all that was, lean aryans with their abrogate Semitic chapbook reenacting the dramas and parables therein and mindless and pale with a longing that nothing save dark's total restitution could appease.
>>25201581I think this and BM has overall his best prose. Suttree edges it out.
>>25200835Have you not read Faulkner’s letters?
>>25199812>nothing revolutionary There are no direct, overbearing ancestors of his prose in his Western novels. If it isn't revolutionary it's only because the right writers haven't shown up yet. You will almost certainly classify Joyce as a revolutionary stylist even though he was only appropriating Hopkins' sprung rhythm poetry. Double standard.
>>25201895>You will almost certainly classify Joyce as a revolutionary stylistI don’t, actually.>the right writersWell they ought to hurry up then!
>>25199589"chat"your brain has atrophied beyond any hope of saving
>>25201950As yes, using the current parlance means one is cooked.
>>25199518Nothing happens in this book except a kid fucking a watermelon. Is McCarthy's writing entertaining? Yes. But it's a bunch of meandering, consistent with the meandering in McCarthy's books. The second half of blood meridian is boring, The Road is a whole lot of nothing, but the prose, suspense and tense moments keep you reading. If you like the meandering you'll like Suttree the most, if you like when things are happening it's not for you.
>>25202114I approached it like: this a book by the guy who makes books that make good movies. and it took me a second to realize that that was not what this is. IDK if I will finish because the guys names like frog leg and apple jack or whatever are stupid
I loved it, I think it's some of his best work. I spent a lot of time drinking at the bar last year so related a lot to this section."Sot's skull subsiding, sweet nothingness betide me"
>>25202114another plotfag filtered by entry level literature
>>25202978>entry level
>>25202978It’s not really entry level, The Road is. But given this is /lit/ anything that isn’t Ulysses level difficult is entry level.
Somewhere in the graywood by the river is the huntsmanAnd in the brooming cornAnd in the castellatedPress of the cities.His work lies all wheresAnd his hounds tire notI have seen them in aDream, slaverous and wild,With their eyes crazedWith a ravening for soulsIn this world. Fly them.
