I need to brush up on Jap cinema. Those old Zatoichi flicks with Shintaro Katsu were incredible.
>>25203189btw, I haven't read this yet, but it's on my shortlist:
The two books with interviews (Hitchcock+Truffault and Wilder+Crowe) are pretty good.I recently got the autobiography by Anthony Hopkins and it looks interesting, but I'm yet to read it.
>>25203175Pauline Kael movie reviews
you're telling me this guy did human condition, harakiri, samurai rebellion AND kwaidan? he literally never misses>>25203189kitano's "zatoichi" dwarfs them in every technical aspect
>>25203175I usually hate cinema and the culture surrounding it, but Harakiri and the Human Condition were so kino I can’t bash them.
>>25203696everything kobayashi has ever done is fucking fantastic. one of the greatest directors to ever live, certainly superior to welles, on par with hitchcock. "the thick-walled room" and "i will buy you," watch them
>>25203175Easy Riders, Raging Bulls
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>>25203712I shall, thanks for the recs. I have to say though, to stress, Harakiri really feels more like an old tragic play than it does a movie, maybe that’s why I like it so much.
>>25203684>kitano's "zatoichi" dwarfs them in every technical aspectbig kitano fan, but absolutely false. i hated it. it's been years, though, i should give it a re-watch
>>25203175the friedkin connectionthe miracle womanjackie chan
>>25203731he accomplishes this in most of his movies. i mean, the frame narrative in harakiri is overtly theatrical. he's very much playing with a pseudotheatrical convention kurosawa established in "rashomon." but kobayashi's approach to space and use of architecture in his shots conveys a fatal structure in the narrative that i don't think even kurosawa could really match, even in his more direct attempts at tragedy like "throne of blood" or "ran" (the only tragedy of which is how badly kurosawa botched the second act)
>>25203740for me, even as a you-know-what, he spends a little too much time on osei. the film becomes a bit fixated on them, especially the dance scene. but this ironic pornographic fixation on gnc amabs is present even in kitano's early work, like "boiling point"
>>25203175picrel, also Notes on the cinematographer by BressonTranscendental cinema by Paul SchraderCinema I and II by DeleuzeFilm as a subversive art by Vogel What is cinema by Bazin
>>25203754>Transcendental cinema by Paul Schraderi kinda wanna read this, but that whole man in a room shit is getting kinda old. taxi driver and first reformed were good, but shit like the card counter sucked butt.
>>25203754good list. adding bresson's collected interviews (1943-83), "the conquest of the useless" by werner herzog, "theater of cruelty" by artuad (which discusses cinema heavily), and "the emperor and the wolf"
>>25203759The man in a room stuff is irrelevant to the book. I don't like Schraders films much but I liked the book, especially the Ozu chapters.
>>25203175Infinite Jest
>>25203175Actually one of my favorite books of all time is the Akira Kurosawa autobiography. I devoured it in 2 days and have reread it at least twice. Something about his writing really agrees with me, maybe because he's a screenwriter first. Another one I really enjoyed is Fellini on Fellini. My most recent purchase is actually picrel. Kind of funny Woody Allen decided to write his first ever novel at age 90 lmao I haven't read it yet so no thoughts to share on it. >>25203669 If you haven't yet, check out this audio of Woody Allen and Pauline Kael discussing Mean Streets: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BmdZ-V6LvaQ >>25203189Toru Kawashima and directors from the same era (Japanese new wave) are kind of nice and very under appreciated in the west for some reason, aside from films like Tampopo and maybe Kazoku Game which everyone knows I suppose. It's also worth looking at films written but not directed by Kurosawa, there's actually a lot of them, Snow Trail being one of my favorites. Kaneto Shindo and Kazuo Hara also deserve some more recognition imo. It's sort of hard to recommend specific movies because I don't know what you're looking for. Anyways, here is one of my favorites docs: https://ok.ru/video/7290448972516 It's about a bosozuku biker gang in the mid 70's.
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>>25203743>kobayashi's approach to space and use of architecture in his shots conveys a fatal structure in the narrative that i don't think even kurosawa could really matchAbsolutely, I’ve yet to watch more of his stuff, but he’s severely underrated compared to Kurosawa, whom I don’t like that much in comparison, I find him too romantic. I feel Kobayashi’s films were definitely more controversial and introspective in their topics than his ever were, especially for a Japanese audience.I actually enjoyed Ran. But I’d rather just read King Lear or watch a (good) production of it.
Very nice thread >>25204525cool documentation, had a phase where i read a lot of manga and anime about bosozuku biker gangs and some live action movies, but never stumbled upon this documentary>>25203696what do you hate in particular about it?
>>25205542Whew I was afraid the recc would be too different/obscure and no one would enjoy it. The subtitles are kind of lacking in this version but there's actually a decent story in the doc. I also love the music scenes where the gang members are goofing off. This is also the era before the bosozoku gangs got ultra violent so there's a sort of lightness about it. Sayonara Speed Tribes is another decent watch and it's fairly recent (2012) It's about an ex biker gang leader/failed yakuza trying to pick his life up again. >anon that hates cinema and the culture surrounding itMaybe >>25203696 has browsed /film/ before and thinks every "cinephile" is like the pretentious weirdos on there.
produced video content has been a grave mistake for humanity. more than half of us are walking around mistaking hollywood films for accurate portrayals of history, and speaking and behaving as if we're in a scene from a film. the ultimate brainworm delivery format.
>>25206063sick, gonna have a look at this one too, but i understand the other anon, i i dont like cinema-culture either and try to avoid discussions in reallife, and if a person is fond of french new wave, especially goddard i get extremely angry, might even turn physical, in my humble opinion the worst thing happening to movie discussion is letterboxd, 10 years ago it was so comfy going to older and obsure movies in the cinema, and now its filled with all these arthoes and hipsterfucks.I dont /film/ either but would rather sit in a cinema filled with these than with the letterboxd fuckersnot exactly a bosozuku movie, but have you ever watched his motorbike, her island ?I think you could enjoy it >>25206114this is something i have noticed too, its a virus, it has turned people inorganic, you may laugh but that has made me very isolated, because so often people steal their behaviours from film, wether they try to be romantic, badass, intimidating or snarky or whatever, its always heavily lifted from movies. There are such few untainted persons who are themselves not perverted by movies, its grating as hell. it turns me off from most people. if i notice such behaviour i immediatly disregard them, so as you can imagine i have only few friends, and they are pretty off and mentally ill, but atleast authentic
>>25206520>have you ever watched his motorbike, her island ?I have but only the first 20 minutes or so, seemed promising but I think I fell asleep while watching it lol Might give it another viewing. >Jean Luc Godard grrrI used to have a similar distaste for the French new wave (and Godard) but got over it a few years ago. Recently watched Une homme, qui dort (very new wave) and quite enjoyed it. I'm from Western Europe so maybe it's easier to relate to these types of films. Anyways, another one I saw recently and quite enjoyed was La Salamandre by Alain Tanner. It's kind of hard to separate French films from the late 50's-60's and new wave cinema anyways, so I just try to enjoy the movies and try not to think too much about how "nouvelle vague" they are. I don't recall ever watching a Truffaut movie and enjoying it though. I really do understand why some people dislike it. What ticks me off personally is David Lynch and Tarkovsky fans. To be fair I've only seen Stalker and this extremely pretentious interview: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xTeXRqIeTm0>grrr hipsters in the cinemaI don't really mind too much, the type of films I'm interested in usually have pretty normal audiences. Like I could see going to view A Clockwork Orange or something might attract a lot of art school weirdos or annoying people on drugs and what have you.>>25205542lolol just noticed the image Mr. Trannyjanny x)
Film Art: An Introduction by Bordwell and ThompsonHistory of Film Style by BordwellBreaking the Glass Armor by ThompsonCould keep going but they're absolutely perfect in understanding how and why movies work. I think once you get these down it's possible to go down any cinematic path you wish to study and it'll make perfect sense.
>>25206898aight i will have a look at la salamandre, i dont want to write fench new wave off completely, but i will never watch godard in particular again. There are many works inspired by french new wave that i like, but i just have a hard time getting warm with the original. I dont get the love for stalker too, found it lacking in many aspects, the book its based on was way better, same with solaris. But mirror is alright, way betterbut why do people make photos of the screen in the cinema, ever noticed?But i will try to hate less, my bloodpressure is at an all time high and everything lateley frustrates me and annoys me to no end, thats no way to live, no more hate now
Anyone in Japan interested in these books?1500¥ for Japanese Cinema and 4000¥ for Rashomon.
Fwiw I still wouldn't call myself a Godard fan but for some reason I really liked Pierrot Le Fou and that opened me up to watch more "shitty" new wave films and then I found directors like I guess the perfect example would be Alain Resnais who is very much considered part of the "new wave" but stylistically nothing like say Truffaut or Godard. All his movies are about time/perception/distorted memories. If you've ever seen 8 1/2 a lot of his movies are dreamlike like that. 'What is real, what is a dream?" This type of thing. >many works inspired by french new wave that i like, but i just have a hard time getting warm with the original100% agree actually. And this is why I also hated the genre for the longest time. I would literally watch really old French movies like IDK La Grande Illusion or something and newer ones but I NEVER watched anything from the late 50's or 60's because I thought it would all be pretentious juveline pseudo intellectual "critic turned film director" bullshit or something. >same with solaris. But mirror is alright, way betterAight anon, I actually kind of wanted to see Solaris at some point anyways since it gets compared to 2001 a lot, but I will watch Mirror instead. The IMDB synopsis makes it sounds pretty depressing ngl but I'll see it for sure.>but why do people make photos of the screen in the cinema, ever noticed?Idk I don't go that often, I only go if a specific movie (usually that I've already seen) is playing at my nearest art house cinema. The crowd is usually older normal "educated" people. >thats no way to live, no more hate nowI try to let it out in a positive way.
>>25207949i like these kind of mozies were everything is hazy and dreamlike and you dont know whats real and what not, very cool, will check him out too, one of the only recent movies that really captured me was aftersun and perfect days, aftersun did that really greatbut breathless is exactly what you thought you would hate about late 50s early 60s movies, that part where godard filmed himself getting an interview, tht was the point i knew i will never wattch him again, but i really like bresson, but dont know if he counts as new wavebut i go really often to specific showings of older movies too, one of my few pleasures of life, i get really blasted with hard drugs and nod of to some movie and a few years ago there were like 2-3 other people and they were mostly old quiet geezers and one other lonely nerd, now its always filled with many people and then you hear some stupid prick always tell the girls he dragged to some stupid facts in his nasally voice to show off what a buff he is, and few people take out their phones to make pictures of iconic scenes. What for? Fucking what for? There exist enough screengrabs and wallpapers on the internet why do they make photos. I really start seething over this and nearly started fights over this. And then you hear them talk about this movie and they couldnt care less, they dont engage with it, they go there to be able to say they have seen it, they already formed their opinion they already read everything about this movie before they have seen it and then just repeat to each other phrases they have picked up from these critics, and if the movie is much older they can say it was problematic and this was sexist and this was not cool and uncalled for. They go in and already know what they will say to each other after the movie.But they are not coherent, you will never hear them give these same complaints to their little artcrowd darlings like for example godard. Yes i have a chip on the shoulder and yes you can hurl all insults at me and i wrote myself into rage again, but i just wish i could go back in time when the cinemas werent filled swith these people. But goddamn im happy for the cinemas that they now get more money and appreciation, it just sucks for me personally. Cant just everyone shut up just shut up, be wuiet shut up dont move shut up and wathc the fucking movie, and then these fucking pricks that crack their knuckles every 5 minutes fuuuck
>>25207814Where in japan? Im interested
