>solves everythingwhy havent you read the pali canon and become buddhist yet anon?
I'm busy reading other stuf
Buddhism is for losers who can't handle real life.
>>25204393Buddhism is just one particular expression of the ultimate primordial metaphysical truth among several others.The Pali Canon is pretty dry material and not especially interesting compared to later Buddhist writings.
>>25204421tsmt it's eastern stoicism
>>25204393Raped into irrelevance by Freud. Dont fall for the jeetslop.
>>25204450Stoicism infused with nonsensical bullshit. Just be an Epicurean.
I have, plus the Visuddhimagga and most Mahayana texts. But ch'an is right, you'll never find the truth in any of the canon, it's all just words, Ordinary mind is the way.Enlightenment comes down to us, we can't reach up to enlightenment. We cant become enlightened through works. We can't hold enlightenment in our limited selves that we never were and try to make it our own. It pools, it stagnates. It forms ideas and thoughts and religions and the paths that men follow, before bursting through the seems of limited mind and rhizomatically flowing outwards to new pastures. We can dim and brighten our true nature through our negative/positive actions, words and thoughts. But just doing this isn't enough to become enlightened. A tatahgata doesn't judge or tell people what to do, he simply points in the direction that leads away from suffering and suggests people that they find their reasons to leave that suffering behind. All of it is completed, the work is done. When shakyamuni attained enlightenment we all attained enlightenment at the same instant alongside him. And shakyamuni was always enlightened. Sing, dance, laugh till you die. Hold it dear in your hearts. Flow alongside it in eternal ecstacy. Hold it in place, make God of it and worship it with love. Release it into nothingness and see what new forms spring from the seeds.But most of all love dearly and unendingly every one of those you find in the marketplace.Idk up to you man.
>>25204393I prefer Paoluccian Vedicism
Which school?Whose tradition?
>>25204479Let's go with Evola's Doctrine of Awakening for funsies.
>>25204393Flawed assumption, there is nothing to be solved.
>>25204393I have discovered Daisaku Ikeda and I'm ordering some of his books to my local library, I'm going to start with Human Revolution, but I've also really enjoyed his essays on peace. I also read Thich Nhat Hanh recently. I have hope that we can truly have a peaceful world understood through compassion and through the work of compassion and understanding we can create the transformation necessary for peace.
>>25204393>why haven’t you read the Pali canon and become Buddhist yet?Reading the suttas is not how you become Buddhist: you become Buddhist through Jhana. Like all exercise, it’s a hard habit to begin, a hard habit to maintain and a hard habit to master.
Have you read this shit? Reads like a Dragon Ball episode.
>>25204454The only thing Freud raped were his clients' minds.
>>25204393The consequences of its thought are just basic Monism Ala Parmenides or the Adaita Vedanta but with tons of rituals, chants and allegorical teachings about spirits which are useless. You don’t need to memorize the fifty Dashikis of death from the Book of the Dead to achieve gnosis. Also Buddhism equates eating meat with being a murderer which I disagree with.
>>25204908elaborate
>>25204984what do you believe in then?
>>25204393It's incomplete, but an important precursor of Hyperchristianity to come. Christ is the Light that illuminates the emptiness of all things.
>>25204393The Daodejing is buddhist. Buddha is a Saint.
>>25204984It's actually fascinating how, if the endpoint is not causally or teleologically or related in anyway with whatever exists—all modes of anything, all heavens, all spirits—none of these things have a reason to be as they are nor do we have any reason to know about them. They're not real.Never made any sense why Buddhisms have these elaborate systems about things.
>>25205454And it seems impossible to find answer, as if it never crossed the minds of these ingenious sages, why there are six realms and not 7? Why would they even exist? Why did the come to be? It's just a metaphysics of arbitrariness. "It just is this way, I dunno."There just happens to be a harmony in the universe that there's this exact order and number of heavens. Sheer luck that they don't randomly halve in number every 800 years and 45 seconds. Or just randomly fluctuate.Almost as if there's some absolute universal principle maintaining the logic of reality..
>>25205454one of the main issues with buddhism is trying to hyperrational yet confined to a prexisting irrational dharmic system which creates this elaborate bullshit that doesnt properly explain anything
>>25204393I read the Kangyur.
>>25204393I don't want to solve anything, let alone everything
>>25205373Monism but just without all the chanting and rituals or whatever.
>>25204984>>25205454>>25205470You have no idea what you're talking about and should have just remained silent instead of confusing others with your thoughtless bad-faith drivel. None of your embarrassing fart sniffing has anything to do with the Pali canon and even a cursory read of Wikipedia would answer your silly ignorant questions, let alone actual scholarship on the topics. What is the point of pretending to engage with Buddhist thought when you don't actually care to understand it?Why go through the trouble of making such pointless posts?Why is this board so anti-intellectual?
>>25205574I am only the first guy in those replies. The actual metaphysics of Buddhism like Monism as a concept as well as Nirvana (so sort of Monist-atheism), that is good enough. The utilitarian ethics (literally a parable of good vs bad deeds being weighed like pebbles on a scale), veganism, the reincarnated into hells and animals and demons as well as all the prayers and chants is what loses me. So basically just the core concept of Monism I like.
>>25205574Buddha and Karma Lingpa are metaphysically truth speakers though allegorically false. The hells and chats and demons are as literal as any parable from Christ. It is another religion lost with that stuff.
>>25205574>once again the Buddhist doesn't show how there is logic to the universe, instead reverts to ad hominemsIf I was wrong it'd be easy to show in a paragraph where the order of the heavens derives? Why or how does it seem like anything follow this Ma'at when there's no such first principle?Happenstantial cosmic harmony negates all defense of any system. If it's ad hoc then no one has to justify any system. And everyone's fever dream is as legitimate as anyone else's
>>25204984>Also Buddhism equates eating meat with being a murderer which I disagree with.Why? Humans don't need meat and are therefore murdering for their pleasure or cinvenience when eating meat
>>25205761Plants are just as living as any animal or human are but they aren’t sentient. Hell, some Greeks like Pythagoreans even believed magnets were living because they cause movement. If you are real monist you’d see everything as intertwined in everything else.
>>25205682>actual metaphysics of BuddhismNo such thing. If you'd read anything about Buddhism you'd know that. >>25205684You're equivocating syncretic Tibetan folk tales with the Pali canon which preceded it by millennia. >>25205736You're just revealing your ignorance more by digging your heels in. Buddha was famously silent on those matters when asked by his students. Those questions either cannot be expressed satisfactorily with conventional language (logic, science, etc) at best, and at worst are a strong impediment to reaching nirvana. This is basic Buddhism 101 that it explained in detail in places as mundane as Wikipedia, let alone the extremely rich and free online resources about Buddhist history and thought. You're also apparently too stupid to know what ad hominem means. You're acting like an imbecile so I called you one. It was an insult, not an argument. I won't be replying again.
>>25205804>Buddha was famously silent on those matters when asked by his students.And yet all schools foolishly presumed his silence was an admission of absence.
>>25205804Okay, so imagine I violently murder five people and then become all good and nice like Milarepa and I build six houses for six families to keep them from starving and dying on the street. The Buddhists would say that is worthy of moving up on the reincarnation wheel. So basically a problem with utilitarianism is that it allows a degree of sin so long as you try to do other things to make up for that amount. The Masked drama of rebirth has the allegory of pebbles. The soul’s good and bad deeds are weighed with literal pebbles.
>>25205574No reads anymore.Its so over.
where do you start with buddhist /lit/erature?there's no bible or tao te ching equivalent for buddhism so idk where i'd begin
>>25205869Ken Wheeler (pbuh)
>>25204984Dharanis absolutely clear the mind and remove blockages.Vajrasattva purificaiton doesn't let you percieve anything, but it does allow the mind to be lost in 90% less bullshit that covers up seeing things as they are.
>>25205375Wait till the Catholics revive mystical contemplation (their form of theosis) and promote it in monasteries and nunneries, while also marketing it to the lay public as "western meditation". Catholicism will explode globally and get the majority of the "spiritual but not religious" crowd.
>>25205862Yes, and you will move up on the wheel of samsara...after paying for your bad karma by suffering in Hell for 5 million years, a million years of horrible torture for each life you took.Unless you had a Buddha on hand, but in that case he will judge your mind and will only declare that you are free of karmic suffering after seeing that there's no bad karma in you.
>>25205862This is such a bizarre and incorrect thing to say. There is no 'reincarnation wheel' in Buddhism. Actions produces karmaic seeds which will inevitably ripen unless pulled out at the roots. Good actions produce enjoyment while bad actions produce suffering. If you kill 5 people that action will produce a hellish state unless the seeds themselves are wiped out. You can't just do a good deed and have them be gone, all you're doing is adding positive karma to the mass of karma you already have, not removing negative karma. This is why wisdom is the only true means of purification. If one can transcend the anger, through the realization of emptiness and inter-connectivity, that caused those seeds to be able to rise in the first place, the seeds will simply never grow. Milarepa never just fed some poor peopel are came stopped his karma through that, he transcended the violence inherent in him through wisdom, have you even read the story?You are preaching some weird vedic/new age idea of reincarnation, not buddhism.
>>25206023Have fun with Catholicism turning into western buddhism with christ stapled on i guess.
>>25206029>>25206037https://bardothodol.nextohm.com/BardoThodol15/
>>25206055I'm not reading this but you realize the bardo is a play meant to represent allegorical truth in the dying state. It's well accepted that not everything seen in the bardo state represents absolute truth. go watch some nde experiences on youtube for more examples of this Nothing said here has any bearing on the yogacara philosophy tibettan buddhism is based on.
>>25206064I know that the play isn’t a literal recreation of what they think is the afterlife state but the ethics it propounds which I am sure you would agree is the main idea of the text, are definitely utilitarian. It is literally saying that a poacher of wild animals will suffer more in afterlife than someone who killed people.
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>>25206082Definitely killing people is a worse crime than killing animals in all forms of buddhism, this is pretty clear. I'm not sure why this play would say that, perhaps it's using it as a skillful means, i.e. we fell shame when killing a person but not when killing an animal. Remember that Buddha never banned meat eating for his monks, but he did not allow them to kill animals themselves. Vegetarianism is heavily associated with the boddhisattva path.A butcher/poacher is also often also used as a symbolic thing in mahayana texts, describing someone who feels no repentance for his negative actions. Hell plays like this are a common thing in buddhist history, they're designed more to scare the general populaiton with fire and brimstone than act as theological statements.
>>25206093good for igniting the hecklin aryan spirit in you, not very good for learning actual buddhism.This collection of essays is very good for getting you in the correct headspace to understand budda dharma.
>>25206127Back when i was a bad tibetan buddhist practitioner, I got a drink with a tibetan guy I met at a temple who was just some businessman dragged there by his wife. He suddenly broke down and started saying how all these westeners think it's so cool and exotic to come to his religion, but this is his trauma we're larping with. He had to sit through seminars being told he's going to hell or be reincarnated as a cockroach all during childhood, had to sit through long pujas to the boddhisattvas in itchy outfits with his grandma, how all he wanted when he came to the west was to escape religion but people here think that it's so cool.I've heard this same exact storied repeated to me by recent orthodox converts talking to cradles./lit/ Orientalism is such a riot, though I fell hard for it for much of my life.
>>25204455>Just be an Epicurean.Holy fucking r*ddit. Buddha spoke up against retarded annihilationists like you.
>>25204454Freud was a spooked kike who didn't meditate for one second in his entire life.
>>25206140You actually do see this in reverse with Korean and Japanese Christian converts sort of. They end up the most zealous and devout while native born ones are less enthusiastic sometimes because we are used to the shopping mall church culture
>>25206140Amazing post JIDF, truly spectacular.
>>25205486we have a new buddhism now that drops all of that crap. the buddha did not believe it either.
>>25206108there are pasasges where he says that vegans ("people who don't eat fish or meat") go to hell.
>>25205486>>25206422I love when people pretend that rebirth isn't foundational to the philosophy of Buddhism so they can inorganically morph the Buddha's words into atheistic materialist memephysics
"Noble Resignation" doesn't solve anything, per se. Though it may help prevent you from making things worse, you'll likely never make anything better.
>>25204393What is there to solve?
>>25205682>So basically just the core concept of Monism I like.What's it like being a soulless scum-sucking NPC?
>>25206330Wait, what? Explain?
>>25205869Dhammapada
>>25206316Buddha is the annihilationist here, not Epicurus lol
>>25206778>Epicurus isn't an annihilationistIlliterate retard moment.
>>25204446>perennialist garbageCringe
>>25204393the idea that I might've been a jeet in a former life or I might reincarnate into one makes me wanna kill myselfoh and I don't believe in reincarnation. without reincarnation as a buddhist you just wanna kill yourself
>>25206425Tibetan buddhists pretty much all eat meat, it's actually required by their climate.I'm sorry you read one guys from long agos hardcore take, but that isn't the dharma.I mean Devadattas argument with the buddha literally came down to making vegetarianism required or not. East Asian Buddhists would eat meat too if it wasn't for the fact that they don't live on alms like tharavada does.
>>25207044okay, pussy
>>25206910切の現象は大日如来の説法にほかならない
>>25207044>without reincarnation as a buddhist you just wanna kill yourselfyou would be missing the point. buddha did not kill himself and his goal was not a better rebirth.>>25207176the devadatta episode was bigger than just vegetarianism
>>25205454>They're not real.Cope.
>>25204984You are talking about Tibetan Buddhism or Mayahana Buddhism, which are both false belief systems. Theravada is the only thing the Buddha taught. The rest is a kind of fan fiction that can be safely ignored.
>>25207475Hello mentally ill Theravada fag who clings to Buddha.
>>25207477i don't cling to buddha and neither should you
>>25204393I was born into a Buddhist family, but became agnostic as I grew up. >>25207475>which are both false belief systemNot really. There are certain beliefs in those sects that contradict Theravada teachings, but most of the core message is still similar. This doesn't really matter unless you're a monk or a layperson who's completely focused on attaining nirvana. >>25204984>eating meat with being a murdererIt doesn't. There's some amount of sin because the animals are killed because you create the demand, but laypeople are not expected to be vegetarians. Theravada monks are allowed to eat meat provided they didn't see, hear, or suspect that it was prepared specifically for them (but most don't). Monks used to regularly do something called pindapatha, where they would walk outside with an alms bowl, and people would give them a small portion of their food as they walked past their house. I think it was permitted to take meat to sustain themselves as it was not prepared specifically for them.>>25205869I hear "What the buddha taught" is a good introductory text. The monk who wrote that was one of the preeminent Buddhist scholars in Sri Lanka.
>>25204393I'm already taoist.
>>25207985>I hear "What the buddha taught" is a good introductory text. It does the job of the basics but leans into scientism and openly promotes an annihilationist interpretation of Pariniravana.
>>25207999Thanks for letting me know, anon.>openly promotes an annihilationist Do you remember what gave you this impression? I skimmed through Chapter 6, on anatta, and he seems to be making the case for cessation rather than annihilation. Because there's no permanent, unchanging soul, there's nothing to be annihilated after parinirvana.What English introductory book do you think does a fair job of getting the core message across?
>>25205454You're confusing Advaita illusionism with Buddhism. Buddhism definitely says they are real. That they have causal efficacy. Its the advaita that says its all fake and just part of greater Brahman. The dependence origination is the causal efficacy of our existence.
>>25208131> Do you remember what gave you this impression?When he openly states that absolutely nothing remains about oneself or the individual remains existent in Pariniravana, and he also says nor is there any sort of positive plenitude there that one can be identified with even in a qualified sense. This contradicts Buddha’s stated stance in the Aggi-Vacchagotta Sutta where he refuses to endorse any of the 4 alternatives viz. post-death liberation.The idea that “anatta means there is no real annihilation as such even though there is nothing present in Parinirvana and its just the ending of aggregates and nothing more” is an interpretation Buddha himself never actually endorses and some people view it as veering too close to annihilationism. Most of Vajrayana and some Mahayana would view the above take as deeply mistaken and they would say that even though Dharmakaya is not a discrete entity that it is still nonetheless essentially what you are right now and how you abide in or as its luminous presence in Parinirvana.
>>25208147> You're confusing Advaita illusionism with Buddhism. The first part of his description is correct that Buddhism does not generally posit any inherent teleological or casual relation between all that exists and the Buddhist endpoint of (Pari)Nirvana, although there are certain schools which are exceptions to this like Shingon where all of reality is just part of the ongoing teaching of the cosmic Buddha.To equate a lack of teleological orientation with non-existence as he does in the second half is philosophically sloppy and indefensible though.
